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Post by ginacivey on May 9, 2017 15:05:49 GMT
why use the term 'child' he's obviously not 10 a teenager can be 19 dont' use 'child' to make people feel sorry for him he looks like a grown ass man along with all the other 'children' at the party
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Post by ginacivey on May 9, 2017 17:44:11 GMT
quit baiting people
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Post by MizIndependent on May 9, 2017 17:46:26 GMT
Uh...hope for the misguided youth who assaulted an elderly woman?
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Post by loco coco on May 9, 2017 17:46:45 GMT
this video pisses me off
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Post by Olan on May 9, 2017 17:51:32 GMT
Uh...hope for the misguided youth who assaulted an elderly woman? As a black woman of course I cringed more than the rest so him coming forward is hope that even when you do something horrible you can make amends by turning yourself in. I would hope that people would consider that he may not have thrown the elderly woman because she was white but more because they had been acting in a dangerous reckless way by throwing one another in the pool and he thought it would be funny to do it to a helpless woman quieting down their noise. Kordel Davis spoke up and so did this kid. No one wants to cut him any slack though. Edit: I cringed more than you because well meaning white people have told me my whole life if I make something of myself no one would discriminate against me again. So when I see black kids "acting a fool" it makes me so upset because I know they don't have room to make these mistakes. I recognize that. Even if it's not fair. Black and other marginalized people are judged much more harshly than everyone else. They aren't kids. They aren't motorists in need of help. They aren't men selling illegal cigarettes. They aren't men reading books in their cars. They aren't men who've armed themselves legally. You know this. Why are we even having this discussion?
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Post by MizIndependent on May 9, 2017 18:14:27 GMT
Uh...hope for the misguided youth who assaulted an elderly woman? As a black woman of course I cringed more than the rest so him coming forward is hope that even when you do something horrible you can make amends by turning yourself in. I would hope that people would consider that he may not have thrown the elderly woman because she was white but more because they had been acting in a dangerous reckless way by throwing one another in the pool and he thought it would be funny to do it to a helpless woman quieting down their noise. Kordel Davis spoke up and so did this kid. No one wants to cut him any slack though. Edit: I cringed more than you because well meaning white people have told me my whole life if I make something of myself no one would discriminate against me again. So when I see black kids "acting a fool" it makes me so upset because I know they don't have room to make these mistakes. I recognize that. Even if it's not fair. Black and other marginalized people are judged much more harshly than everyone else. They aren't kids. They aren't motorists in need of help. They aren't men selling illegal cigarettes. They aren't men reading books in their cars. They aren't men who've armed themselves legally. You know this. Why are we even having this discussion? I think the people important to the situation recognize that him coming forward is his first step to making amends, that is why he didn't go to Juvenal Hall but instead is on home detention so, seems to me he is being justly rewarded for doing the right thing even after doing the wrong thing. As for "having this discussion"...I'm not sure what you're talking about. I was commenting on the follow up to the incident. I do agree with you though, but I'm not sure what to do about it other than speak out against it when I can.
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Post by ginacivey on May 9, 2017 18:24:12 GMT
seems to me he is being justly rewarded for doing the right thing even after doing the wrong thing. i wonder how HER family feels ya know...kids acting a fool and all he knocked her to the ground when he slipped - she's an old lady and she hit the deck and if that wasn't enough he tossed her into a pool what the actual fuck home detention gina
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Post by MizIndependent on May 9, 2017 18:29:31 GMT
seems to me he is being justly rewarded for doing the right thing even after doing the wrong thing. i wonder how HER family feels ya know...kids acting a fool and all he knocked her to the ground when he slipped - she's an old lady and she hit the deck and if that wasn't enough he tossed her into a pool what the actual fuck home detention gina He faces one count of battery on a person 65 years of age or older. The penalty for this if convicted (and it is almost certain he will be due to the video evidence alone): a minimum term of imprisonment of 3 years and fined not more than $10,000 and shall also be ordered by the sentencing judge to make restitution to the victim of such offense and to perform up to 500 hours of community service work. [more at Source]
It isn't as though he's getting off with ONLY house detention, it's that the judge is allowing him to stay at home with a bracelet on his ankle while they go through the court process. He's in deep shit and he will be punished for it...but don't you think it's a good thing, especially nowadays, when someone who does something like this actually steps forward to apologize and take ownership for their wrong doing? I do.
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Post by Dani-Mani on May 9, 2017 18:29:43 GMT
why use the term 'child' he's obviously not 10 a teenager can be 19 dont' use 'child' to make people feel sorry for him he looks like a grown ass man along with all the other 'children' at the party He's SIXTEEN. Hardly a "grown ass man." Yeah, many WERE 'children.' I don't know what the hell was the point of your fake quotations except to once again be condescending. look, I know you want to got tit fr tat with Olan, who I hardly ever agree with. But sometimes your comments to her and on these racially charged threads make me cringe or even feel damn ashamed to be black. I've been on this board a LONG time. I've read thousands of replies from you. I have zero people blocked but I feel like I should block you because I just can't anymore. The desire for some of you to try to prove Olan wrong is coming across as incredibly hate filled to another black woman with a LONG history in this board. I'm not going to post some hair flip about it, but I really wish you guys would think before you respond to these racially charged posts. You look no better than she does. And honestly? I'm losing so much respect for people I've agreed with for years. i hate what this board is becoming. I absolutely abhor it.
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Post by ginacivey on May 9, 2017 18:36:41 GMT
you're right...i'm out
it's not the subject that i have such a hard time with
and it is coloring my replies
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Post by Dani-Mani on May 9, 2017 18:50:13 GMT
And Olan, I wish you would just shut the hell up already. You don't speak for me or any other black woman I know and from one black woman to another, you are the kind of black person I embarrassed of. The kind that makes everything the white persons fault.
You come across as an angry, scorned black woman trying to make your problems every white womans fault. Personal responsibility goes a long, long way.
She's nothing more than a troll trying (and succeeding) to get a rise out of people. She's a bully and proud of it. Why you guys continue to engage with her and any other troll that comes to this board floors me. just let her be.
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Post by Olan on May 9, 2017 19:03:17 GMT
And Olan, I wish you would just shut the hell up already. You don't speak for me or any other black woman I know and from one black woman to another, you are the kind of black person I embarrassed of. The kind that makes everything the white persons fault. You come across as an angry, scorned black woman trying to make your problems every white womans fault. Personal responsibility goes a long, long way. She's nothing more than a troll trying (and succeeding) to get a rise out of people. She's a bully and proud of it. Why you guys continue to engage with her and any other troll that comes to this board floors me. just let her be. You don't know anything about me. Much like these women. I won't pretend to know anything about you and don't pretend to speak for every black woman. What exactly have I said that you disagree with. I don't blame white people for anything that has happened in my life. I am who I am. Very proud of the life I've made for myself. It saddens me that just because I've shed light on the nastiness of your little happy place you then jump on the bandwagon and force me to qualify my being here. My story is an amazing story of triump. Lifetime worthy. No one black or white can stand in the way of what was meant for me. I'm just not going to stand idle while shit like this happens. If that's what you'd like to do fine. You can continue to play barbies with people who have shown you their character if you'd like but don't go accusing me of speaking for you because Dani we don't even speak the same language. I can assume that we don't share the same dialect because you've told me "how I come across" ummm I've called out a group of women who think black Boys don't deserve the same stamp of innocence as white Boys. Note: Dani mentions Gina's comments make her feel embarrassed to be black. Obviously if I wasn't around Gina could be less of herself thus making Dani comfortable as a pea. Here @ dani speaks for all black women. I disagreed when I read it then and now that I know Dani is embarrassed to be black sometimes I vehemently disagree now. I still would never attempt to silence her or accuse her of speaking for me. I'm editing and adding because I don't want to bump the thread
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Post by Olan on May 9, 2017 19:20:03 GMT
Note the thread where yvonne calls you Olan. *shrugs*
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Post by inkedup on May 9, 2017 19:44:29 GMT
And Olan, I wish you would just shut the hell up already. You don't speak for me or any other black woman I know and from one black woman to another, you are the kind of black person I embarrassed of. The kind that makes everything the white persons fault. You come across as an angry, scorned black woman trying to make your problems every white womans fault. Personal responsibility goes a long, long way. She's nothing more than a troll trying (and succeeding) to get a rise out of people. She's a bully and proud of it. Why you guys continue to engage with her and any other troll that comes to this board floors me. just let her be. Dani, as someone who recently went head to head with Olan, I feel embarrassed that my posts would have made you or any other black person here feel uncomfortable. I am deeply regretful for that. I agree that she tries her hardest to get a rise out of people, but the onus is on each of us to not engage or to respond respectfully. I decided that I will choose not to engage Olan because I don't feel like it's productive and it usually degenerates into a pointless argument. (You're racist! No I'm not! You're racist! No, YOU'RE racist! etc.) And I understand what you are saying in terms of some people who share your race making you feel embarrassed. I would imagine you feel the way I feel when I see people waving Mexican flags while attacking America and other Americans. I always feel like I'm straddling a line between two groups, neither of which really wants me. I'm "too white" (in thought and action), according to many who share my ancestry, but I'm too brown to really be American in some people's eyes. It's a weird limbo that we live with/in. Again, I apologize to anyone my comments have hurt. I've been given a lot to think about.
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Post by Olan on May 9, 2017 21:35:19 GMT
And Olan, I wish you would just shut the hell up already. You don't speak for me or any other black woman I know and from one black woman to another, you are the kind of black person I embarrassed of. The kind that makes everything the white persons fault. You come across as an angry, scorned black woman trying to make your problems every white womans fault. Personal responsibility goes a long, long way. She's nothing more than a troll trying (and succeeding) to get a rise out of people. She's a bully and proud of it. Why you guys continue to engage with her and any other troll that comes to this board floors me. just let her be. Dani, as someone who recently went head to head with Olan, I feel embarrassed that my posts would have made you or any other black person here feel uncomfortable. I am deeply regretful for that. I agree that she tries her hardest to get a rise out of people, but the onus is on each of us to not engage or to respond respectfully. I decided that I will choose not to engage Olan because I don't feel like it's productive and it usually degenerates into a pointless argument. (You're racist! No I'm not! You're racist! No, YOU'RE racist! etc.) And I understand what you are saying in terms of some people who share your race making you feel embarrassed. I would imagine you feel the way I feel when I see people waving Mexican flags while attacking America and other Americans. I always feel like I'm straddling a line between two groups, neither of which really wants me. I'm "too white" (in thought and action), according to many who share my ancestry, but I'm too brown to really be American in some people's eyes. It's a weird limbo that we live with/in. Again, I apologize to anyone my comments have hurt. I've been given a lot to think about. Before accepting her Olive branch check out her posting history you will find her insulting everyone's favorite punching bag Annabella. Am I angry or am I just observant *shrugs*. Why would Yvonne think your name was Olan? I asked she never answered. I have no stake in this. My eye opener happened some time ago Note: See how quickly inkedup pounced on Annabella. I don't agree with anything Annabella says or does but calling her a twit and attacking her the way inkedup did isn't right. It's common though. Also note because Dani is embarrassed instead of angry inkedup can walk away with "a lot of things to think about".
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Post by inkedup on May 9, 2017 21:40:30 GMT
Dani, as someone who recently went head to head with Olan, I feel embarrassed that my posts would have made you or any other black person here feel uncomfortable. I am deeply regretful for that. I agree that she tries her hardest to get a rise out of people, but the onus is on each of us to not engage or to respond respectfully. I decided that I will choose not to engage Olan because I don't feel like it's productive and it usually degenerates into a pointless argument. (You're racist! No I'm not! You're racist! No, YOU'RE racist! etc.) And I understand what you are saying in terms of some people who share your race making you feel embarrassed. I would imagine you feel the way I feel when I see people waving Mexican flags while attacking America and other Americans. I always feel like I'm straddling a line between two groups, neither of which really wants me. I'm "too white" (in thought and action), according to many who share my ancestry, but I'm too brown to really be American in some people's eyes. It's a weird limbo that we live with/in. Again, I apologize to anyone my comments have hurt. I've been given a lot to think about. Before accepting her Olive branch check out her posting history you will find her insulting everyone's favorite punching bag Annabella. Am I angry or am I just observant *shrugs*. Why would Yvonne think your name was Olan? I asked she never answered. I have no stake in this. My eye opener happened some time ago How did I know that everyone's least favorite troll would weigh in on this? Yup. I insulted Annabella. Not because she's black, but because she has a history of being an insensitive, moronic twit. Before anyone responds to you, I'd encourage them to check your posting history. You insult EVERY woman here practically every time you post. You use pejorative language to describe white people. You are a prejudiced, combative troll. And, while I hope I didn't hurt Dani, I also didn't apologize with any expectation of how (or even if) she will respond to me. I saw myself in a different light through Dani's comment. I know the concept of acknowledging fault is foreign to you, Olan.
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Post by Olan on May 9, 2017 22:01:37 GMT
Before accepting her Olive branch check out her posting history you will find her insulting everyone's favorite punching bag Annabella. Am I angry or am I just observant *shrugs*. Why would Yvonne think your name was Olan? I asked she never answered. I have no stake in this. My eye opener happened some time ago How did I know that everyone's least favorite troll would weigh in on this? Yup. I insulted Annabella. Not because she's black, but because she has a history of being an insensitive, moronic twit. Before anyone responds to you, I'd encourage them to check your posting history. You insult EVERY woman here practically every time you post. You use pejorative language to describe white people. You are a prejudiced, combative troll. And, while I hope I didn't hurt Dani, I also didn't apologize with any expectation of how (or even if) she will respond to me. I saw myself in a different light through Dani's comment. I know the concept of acknowledging fault is foreign to you, Olan. I acklowedge my fault here. I pointed out the truth. Click on that blue and read what I said and who I said it to. Olan is but one character boo
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Post by inkedup on May 9, 2017 22:03:40 GMT
How did I know that everyone's least favorite troll would weigh in on this? Yup. I insulted Annabella. Not because she's black, but because she has a history of being an insensitive, moronic twit. Before anyone responds to you, I'd encourage them to check your posting history. You insult EVERY woman here practically every time you post. You use pejorative language to describe white people. You are a prejudiced, combative troll. And, while I hope I didn't hurt Dani, I also didn't apologize with any expectation of how (or even if) she will respond to me. I saw myself in a different light through Dani's comment. I know the concept of acknowledging fault is foreign to you, Olan. I acklowedge my fault here. I pointed out the truth. Click on that blue and read what I said and who I said it to. Olan is but one character boo And what "truth" did you point out? That I attacked an idiot who was engaging in victim blaming? No. what you tried to imply is that I attacked Annabella because she's black. Because that fits the sad little narrative in your head. And with that, I'm officially done with you. You add nothing of value to this board.
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Post by katybee on May 9, 2017 22:10:13 GMT
[Did you post this video hoping it would paint black people as capable of hate crimes too? We are. We just aren't as masterful at it as white people. Crimes against white people are punished swiftly and sometimes with no regard for Justice but black people don't generally commit a crime against a victim simply because the victim is white. It just doesn't happen often. This isn't my opinion this is fact. We have recent and current history to tell us what non-white people have went through right? Are we disregarding history now? [ If you would have used any reading comprehension at all, you would have seen that I was pissed that right wingers and hate groups were using it as a tit for tat.
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Post by Olan on May 9, 2017 22:18:56 GMT
I acklowedge my fault here. I pointed out the truth. Click on that blue and read what I said and who I said it to. Olan is but one character boo And what "truth" did you point out? That I attacked an idiot who was engaging in victim blaming? No. what you tried to imply is that I attacked Annabella because she's black. Because that fits the sad little narrative in your head. And with that, I'm officially done with you. You add nothing of value to this board. How many times will you say you are done with me? Ignore me pointing out the absolute truth. Someone says something and then I REPEAT IT. Nothing more. I am not handing out hoods or anything. Merely holding a mirror in front of your face. You've held one in front of mine. So far we've got I hate white people, I have some tragic story where one white person stood in the way of my greatness so now I hate them all *white savior syndrome all up and around this joint* and I am just here to point out racists. Can't go having that you hear, who taught her how to read *laughs* I will own every bit of that if each one of you own your shit behavior. Look at what you've said. Click my name and follow the trail. Everything you believe about me is true as long as everything I believe about you is true too! Fair is fair Dani believes if you ignore me you'll stop being racist. She likes it here *shrugs* 2peas....where everyone knows your name....or nah
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 9, 2017 23:02:14 GMT
And Olan, I wish you would just shut the hell up already. You don't speak for me or any other black woman I know and from one black woman to another, you are the kind of black person I embarrassed of. The kind that makes everything the white persons fault. You come across as an angry, scorned black woman trying to make your problems every white womans fault. Personal responsibility goes a long, long way. She's nothing more than a troll trying (and succeeding) to get a rise out of people. She's a bully and proud of it. Why you guys continue to engage with her and any other troll that comes to this board floors me. just let her be. You don't know anything about me. Much like these women. I won't pretend to know anything about you and don't pretend to speak for every black woman. What exactly have I said that you disagree with. I don't blame white people for anything that has happened in my life. I am who I am. Very proud of the life I've made for myself. It saddens me that just because I've shed light on the nastiness of your little happy place you then jump on the bandwagon and force me to qualify my being here. My story is an amazing story of triump. Lifetime worthy. No one black or white can stand in the way of what was meant for me. I'm just not going to stand idle while shit like this happens. If that's what you'd like to do fine. You can continue to play barbies with people who have shown you their character if you'd like but don't go accusing me of speaking for you because Dani we don't even speak the same language. I can assume that we don't share the same dialect because you've told me "how I come across" ummm I've called out a group of women who think black Boys don't deserve the same stamp of innocence as white Boys. Your inability to see (read/comprehend) what others have written that show empathy and where they state that people should be treated equally for the same crimes, make you "how you come across". You only see what you want. Not all feel how you are pegging them to be.
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Post by Olan on May 10, 2017 3:21:43 GMT
You don't know anything about me. Much like these women. I won't pretend to know anything about you and don't pretend to speak for every black woman. What exactly have I said that you disagree with. I don't blame white people for anything that has happened in my life. I am who I am. Very proud of the life I've made for myself. It saddens me that just because I've shed light on the nastiness of your little happy place you then jump on the bandwagon and force me to qualify my being here. My story is an amazing story of triump. Lifetime worthy. No one black or white can stand in the way of what was meant for me. I'm just not going to stand idle while shit like this happens. If that's what you'd like to do fine. You can continue to play barbies with people who have shown you their character if you'd like but don't go accusing me of speaking for you because Dani we don't even speak the same language. I can assume that we don't share the same dialect because you've told me "how I come across" ummm I've called out a group of women who think black Boys don't deserve the same stamp of innocence as white Boys. Your inability to see (read/comprehend) what others have written that show empathy and where they state that people should be treated equally for the same crimes, make you "how you come across". You only see what you want. Not all feel how you are pegging them to be. I will acknowledge I could have done a better job of interacting with the peas who were kind. Olan Though the overwhelming response outweigh the small majority. If you asked me what I walked away feeling if you really look at those responses and what people have said to me how can any of you somehow call me out but not what I was responding negatively to. I didn't push anyone to respond the way that they did. Thats who they are as people. Like I said I own angry, unwillingly to see empathy, quick to assume the worst that eventually comes, abrasive, harsh in my speech, whatever you want to ascribe to me but what will you own. Here today what personal responsibility would you like mirror for "future generations".
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