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Post by auntkelly on May 16, 2017 12:22:48 GMT
I am a HUGE believer in Dr Fung. I am not diabetic or pre diabetic. I found it interesting a couple years ago because my dh was on a med for being pre and when I listened to hours and hours of Dr Fungs talks I became passionate that he got off the drug and fight it ways that would get him back to a normal range. I am not against modern medicine. However, this enrages me. WHY are doctors still going the route they have when it isn't always working??? My dad falls perfectly in stories Dr Fung shares. I could see my dh was 30 years before my dad but would likely go the same route. I know some people aren't willing to eat this way or to fast but what about the people that are. What about the people that would go a route that is drastic if they thought there was a solution? I have seen the results of going the traditional route in my dad and it makes me passionate to help people have the option of going another route. My dad is now 72 and his quality of life is very poor. I have a long history of obesity and have lost a massive amount of weight. A few years ago I started putting on weight. The major difference was I wasn't struggling with food. In the past if I gained weight I knew exactly why because I was eating things I shouldn't only this time that wasn't the case. I went to numerous doctors to have labs and test run. My cortisol was off and my hormones. I treated those and slowly the weight started to come off but it was very slow. I started doing intermittent fasting and it made a massive difference. It is like it reset something in my body. Before I had started gaining weight I was at 170-175 (don't judge it use to be 400 lbs and I had lost 230 over more than a decade) and that was my sweet spot. I was great with that. I looked good and felt great. Now my new normal is 145-150. I hadn't been that weight since I was in my 20's. It wasn't even my goal its where I landed. I didn't know what my body was capable of. It sounds like fasting is really working for you! Can you elaborate more on your fasting schedule-how often you fast and for how long? |
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Post by Just T on May 16, 2017 12:51:51 GMT
I think I am going to try this. I could easily not eat breakfast. I've been on a low carb eating plan since March, and I have lost about 13 pounds. It's coming off so slowly considering I have drastically changed my eating habits. I'm eating more veggies than I have ever eaten in my life! I like that I am losing, but I still want to lose about 15 more.
What I am wondering about is this: Once you've lost the weight you want to lose, how do you stop? It seems like if you keep the IF, you will continue to lose weight.
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Post by oh yvonne on May 16, 2017 13:44:02 GMT
I am a HUGE believer in Dr Fung. I am not diabetic or pre diabetic. I found it interesting a couple years ago because my dh was on a med for being pre and when I listened to hours and hours of Dr Fungs talks I became passionate that he got off the drug and fight it ways that would get him back to a normal range. I am not against modern medicine. However, this enrages me. WHY are doctors still going the route they have when it isn't always working??? My dad falls perfectly in stories Dr Fung shares. I could see my dh was 30 years before my dad but would likely go the same route. I know some people aren't willing to eat this way or to fast but what about the people that are. What about the people that would go a route that is drastic if they thought there was a solution? I have seen the results of going the traditional route in my dad and it makes me passionate to help people have the option of going another route. My dad is now 72 and his quality of life is very poor. I have a long history of obesity and have lost a massive amount of weight. A few years ago I started putting on weight. The major difference was I wasn't struggling with food. In the past if I gained weight I knew exactly why because I was eating things I shouldn't only this time that wasn't the case. I went to numerous doctors to have labs and test run. My cortisol was off and my hormones. I treated those and slowly the weight started to come off but it was very slow. I started doing intermittent fasting and it made a massive difference. It is like it reset something in my body. Before I had started gaining weight I was at 170-175 (don't judge it use to be 400 lbs and I had lost 230 over more than a decade) and that was my sweet spot. I was great with that. I looked good and felt great. Now my new normal is 145-150. I hadn't been that weight since I was in my 20's. It wasn't even my goal its where I landed. I didn't know what my body was capable of. oh gosh, this is so inspiring! You have really kept that weight off (I remember when you lost it)...and then some! Congratulations Faithful! |
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Post by milocat on May 16, 2017 16:18:20 GMT
So is this book just tell you to eat clean, no processed, no sugar. Promotes keto, paleo, whole 30. Fasting is good. Did I just sum it up and all the other books and articles I've read out there on the subject? Save myself $20. Or is there something worth it in there that I should spend the money on the book?
We have 3 local doctors and one is a keto believer. He pushes it on everyone. The other 2 doctors are anti-keto. Funny how so many say they don't like breakfast. I would prefer to skip lunch.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 16, 2017 17:09:25 GMT
Jason Fung and Jimmy Moore have a podcast. Found that last night.  . I got the book on audible and will start today. |
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However, this enrages me. WHY are doctors still going the route they have when it isn't always working??? A lack of education is the answer. When I was in school, a complaint was that many medical schools were barely covering nutrition at all. I am waiting for the young woman I mentor to go to medical school to fill me in on the current status. She is a nutrition major turned pre-med. What an excellent undergraduate major to have before entering medicine! I digress. Most of what we did learn beyond the basic science is simply just not quite correct. The basic science is unchanged, it's the premises that were drawn that are wrong such as eat less fat, artificial sweeteners are not sugar and often have no calories so they won't affect weight gain, calories in= calories out. The latter is something I clung to forever! Even though I knew from basic science that a calorie is not a calorie, I still counted my calories and would let sugar in but ate less of other things to make my overall caloric intake be where I thought it should be. This is why Dr. Fung's book is becoming such a big hit among the physicians I know (at least my on line groups  . His book doesn't only talk about fasting and types of calories. He does address obesity as being multifactorial and specifically addresses stress as a factor from a hormonal view point, including methods to reduce cortisol levels from stress. Before I understood what IF was (I'm talking before this month!), I also brushed it off as another fad, another method to simply decrease caloric intake because, after all, isn't that what it is all about? Fighting insulin resistance, in my case, is so important. I love taking advantage of biology. Same for HIIT work outs. They take advantage of our biology. While I am still overweight and have regained the weight I previously lost yet again (just as he discusses in the book), I am probably stronger and more fit than I have been in my entire adult life. Now to pull in the other piece of the puzzle! |
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Post by ashwyness on May 16, 2017 18:01:38 GMT
This is all really interesting to me.
I have one question that I cannot seem to find the answer to, and it is that fasting has always been discouraged because it causes your metabolism to go into "starvation mode." Is that simply not true? Do these books or videos address this at all?
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Post by melissa on May 16, 2017 18:13:17 GMT
So is this book just tell you to eat clean, no processed, no sugar. Promotes keto, paleo, whole 30. Fasting is good. Did I just sum it up and all the other books and articles I've read out there on the subject? Save myself $20. Or is there something worth it in there that I should spend the money on the book? We have 3 local doctors and one is a keto believer. He pushes it on everyone. The other 2 doctors are anti-keto. Funny how so many say they don't like breakfast. I would prefer to skip lunch. Nope. Not quite. This book addresses what is missing from just about every other diet plan. They all miss something. It's why none have been proven to work for the long term. It's not a diet plan though he does give examples of how one might bring follow a 24 hour fasting pattern. He's explaining the biology and the actual research over many years. Explains how we, as Americans and citizens of other industrialized countries, got to a place where obesity is an epidemic. Doesn't necessarily push keto, just presents it. You can get the information elsewhere and you may already know all of it. I did not. I need good science, not the pseudoscience and the theories that are often pushed along with these diets. This book, which is a quick read and was $14 when I bought it, put it all together for me. Personally, I need to reset my set point (a concept I always believed in) and I need to address insulin resistance. I was a gestational diabetic and I've been watching what I thought was the inevitability of type 2 diabetes creeping up on me. I watched my hemoglobin A1c continue to rise annually, even when it was totally in the normal range and even when I was losing weight and eating what I thought was at least fairly healthy. Ironically, I am known as a healthy eater in my extended family and even at work. I am not consistent, but I do tend to pass on sweets (except between midnight and 4 am at work!) and my stepmother makes a big deal about having healthier choices around if we are visiting or going out to dinner. (OK, so she always makes a big deal about something.. if it wasn't that, it would be something else). The 20-25 lbs I needed to lose is back up to 35-40 lbs.  Doesn't sound like a lot to some, but now I have a much better understanding of why it's so difficult. Can't completely blame age or menopause anymore. Can't completely blame medication (though 5 rounds of steroids in 5 months didn't help). |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 18:14:44 GMT
I just read an online explanation of the "starvation mode" question -- can't remember where or the link, but what it said was that your body doesn't go into starvation mode until something like 72-90 hours, so IF isn't long enough to cause it to do that.
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Post by ashwyness on May 16, 2017 18:20:26 GMT
So this article I found claims that our metabolisms are not broken by fasting, etc. Metabolism Myth |
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Post by melissa on May 16, 2017 19:01:01 GMT
So this article I found claims that our metabolisms are not broken by fasting, etc. Metabolism MythThere's no science in that article. I'm not seeing anything on insulin levels at all. It addresses nothing at all. I just read an online explanation of the "starvation mode" question -- can't remember where or the link, but what it said was that your body doesn't go into starvation mode until something like 72-90 hours, so IF isn't long enough to cause it to do that. This so called starvation mode is not what this is about. What happens to the body in 72-90 minutes is not entirely relevant to the natural cycles of hormonal release in response to food, etc. From the actual data presented, this concept is incorrect. This is what happens, as documented by sound research, when you do not stimulate the body to produce more insulin. That actually happens in a few hours. We have to be careful to look at data sources. Where is the information actually coming from? Is it from animal studies or human studies? How are the studies designed? Are the theories presented simply extensions of actual science but technically unproven? And then, most important, where is the long term data? All diets are valuable, but many are not sustainable for the long term and most, when actually studied, show a gradual return of the weight lost despite maintaining the diet. This is a big problem. |
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Post by 2peafaithful on May 16, 2017 19:16:02 GMT
I am a HUGE believer in Dr Fung. I am not diabetic or pre diabetic. I found it interesting a couple years ago because my dh was on a med for being pre and when I listened to hours and hours of Dr Fungs talks I became passionate that he got off the drug and fight it ways that would get him back to a normal range. I am not against modern medicine. However, this enrages me. WHY are doctors still going the route they have when it isn't always working??? My dad falls perfectly in stories Dr Fung shares. I could see my dh was 30 years before my dad but would likely go the same route. I know some people aren't willing to eat this way or to fast but what about the people that are. What about the people that would go a route that is drastic if they thought there was a solution? I have seen the results of going the traditional route in my dad and it makes me passionate to help people have the option of going another route. My dad is now 72 and his quality of life is very poor. I have a long history of obesity and have lost a massive amount of weight. A few years ago I started putting on weight. The major difference was I wasn't struggling with food. In the past if I gained weight I knew exactly why because I was eating things I shouldn't only this time that wasn't the case. I went to numerous doctors to have labs and test run. My cortisol was off and my hormones. I treated those and slowly the weight started to come off but it was very slow. I started doing intermittent fasting and it made a massive difference. It is like it reset something in my body. Before I had started gaining weight I was at 170-175 (don't judge it use to be 400 lbs and I had lost 230 over more than a decade) and that was my sweet spot. I was great with that. I looked good and felt great. Now my new normal is 145-150. I hadn't been that weight since I was in my 20's. It wasn't even my goal its where I landed. I didn't know what my body was capable of. It sounds like fasting is really working for you! Can you elaborate more on your fasting schedule-how often you fast and for how long? auntkelly, I do think it was what my body needed. Clean eating alone wasn't cutting it and that was so discouraging. When I started I would eat about about eat twice a day and usually about 15-16 hours apart. It isn't what most people would enjoy but it worked well for me. I would eat super early and than in the late evening. I did it most days but not every single day. There were times we had lunch plans or something else. A did a 24 hour fast a handful of times and seriously had an amazing amount of energy. It was so interesting! My dh started doing it a couple of months ago and is down 16 lbs. He will do his labs this spring to see how his numbers are after making some changes. His blood pressure was often a little on the high range and he has seen that in the normal range since making the changes. |
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Post by ashwyness on May 16, 2017 19:23:07 GMT
I've been a chronic dieter.
In 2007 lost 80# on Medifast and put all back on over the last few years.
One of the consistent things I see with many diets is that they discourage fasting and want you eating more small meals in a day to keep your metabolism out of "so called starvation mode." I am not a medical professional, but is there such a thing as this "starvation mode" with regards to how fast or slow your metabolism is?
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Post by roxley on May 16, 2017 19:51:48 GMT
I've been a chronic dieter. In 2007 lost 80# on Medifast and put all back on over the last few years. One of the consistent things I see with many diets is that they discourage fasting and want you eating more small meals in a day to keep your metabolism out of "so called starvation mode." I am not a medical professional, but is there such a thing as this "starvation mode" with regards to how fast or slow your metabolism is? I just got to this part in the book. They state you should only eat three meals with no snacks. This is because if you eat several small meals your body is constantly producing insulin. Throughout the whole book the keep reiterating that it is insulin that causes obesity. Snacks were never a thing until the late 70s, and that is when obesity rates started going up. This was just one example they gave, but the whole American diet and timing of eating really changed in the 70s, when the government tried to tell us what we should eat with the national guidelines. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 16, 2017 19:56:58 GMT
I was reading on kindle, and ordered the hard copy (said 2-4 weeks) and I got notified that it shipped 2 days after I ordered!
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Post by 0612 on May 16, 2017 20:09:03 GMT
I have a question, do you have to give up Diet Coke for this to work? I can go a whole day without eating but I need by Coke. I went off of it for over year did not feel any better for it, nor did I lose weight. But life stress got me started again, I guess I' wondering because of the Coke will it still work.
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Post by roxley on May 16, 2017 20:17:36 GMT
I have a question, do you have to give up Diet Coke for this to work? I can go a whole day without eating but I need by Coke. I went off of it for over year did not feel any better for it, nor did I lose weight. But life stress got me started again, I guess I' wondering because of the Coke will it still work. I'm a Diet Coke drinker too. The books says no because the artificial sweeteners cause insulin to release just like sugar does. The premise of the book is that increased insulin is what actually causes weight gain. We will see how I do  |
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Post by tamaraann on May 16, 2017 20:54:53 GMT
This is a very timely discussion to come across and I am very intrigued. I just finished reading the 10-Day Detox Diet this morning by Dr Mark Hyman, which also seems to talk a lot about insulin being the culprit to weight gain. If you haven't checked the Detox book out, and want to eat clean, it might also be a good book to read thru. It's whole point is to cut sugar, processed foods, gluten, dairy, caffeine, alcohol in 10 days, but provides you the tools to do it in a way where you don't suffer from detox to badly. I'm planning to do that later this month, but than this looks like a great plan to follow afterwards. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by Mary_K on May 16, 2017 20:57:51 GMT
I have a question, do you have to give up Diet Coke for this to work? I can go a whole day without eating but I need by Coke. I went off of it for over year did not feel any better for it, nor did I lose weight. But life stress got me started again, I guess I' wondering because of the Coke will it still work. I wonder about this too as I went of diet coke for a long period of time also and saw no difference.
Just yesterday I googled if aspartame (the sweetener in diet coke) causes insulin spikes and it looked like the answer was no.
If someone else has different info, then please chime in.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 20:59:24 GMT
So this article I found claims that our metabolisms are not broken by fasting, etc. Metabolism MythThere's no science in that article. I'm not seeing anything on insulin levels at all. It addresses nothing at all. I just read an online explanation of the "starvation mode" question -- can't remember where or the link, but what it said was that your body doesn't go into starvation mode until something like 72-90 hours, so IF isn't long enough to cause it to do that. This so called starvation mode is not what this is about. What happens to the body in 72-90 minutes is not entirely relevant to the natural cycles of hormonal release in response to food, etc. From the actual data presented, this concept is incorrect. This is what happens, as documented by sound research, when you do not stimulate the body to produce more insulin. That actually happens in a few hours. We have to be careful to look at data sources. Where is the information actually coming from? Is it from animal studies or human studies? How are the studies designed? Are the theories presented simply extensions of actual science but technically unproven? And then, most important, where is the long term data? All diets are valuable, but many are not sustainable for the long term and most, when actually studied, show a gradual return of the weight lost despite maintaining the diet. This is a big problem. Agreed, except for the hours/minutes discrepancy (I typed hours, you minutes, but I think we're talking about the same thing.) The piece I was reading was very much in line with what this book and concept of IF advocates (or seems to, I haven't read it, have it on hold from the library.) I was only meaning to point out that the old fear of throwing your body into "starvation mode" and sabotaging weight-loss efforts isn't true or at least isn't something to be feared by dieters.  Save |
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Post by epeanymous on May 16, 2017 21:08:00 GMT
I have never had a weight problem and am still well within the healthy range for my height. Still, six kids and in-my-40s later, I wouldn't mind dropping the half a dress size that stands between me and where I feel most comfortable.
Here is my question--how does the book address alcohol? I cut way back on processed foods starting a month ago (I would have told you I didn't eat them anyway, but I had never really understood how much pasta, bread, and crackers I ate) and I feel better and my clothes are a little looser (I don't weigh myself regularly since my dance teacher used to weigh us and gave me a complex). I have never been a snacker and I am not big on sweets. My one vice is that I like a drink. Does the book suggest anything about if you can enjoy a glass of wine?
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Post by milocat on May 16, 2017 21:58:20 GMT
Thanks melissa for the explanation, maybe I will order it (it's $20 Cdn  ) it does sound a bit different and not just pushing a specific diet, which isn't one size fits all. I'm 15 lbs above my the top of my healthy range. Not that I'm hung up on a specific number. I've lost 25 lbs in the past 18 months. |
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Post by bc2ca on May 16, 2017 22:23:44 GMT
There seems to be a run on this book. When I saw it was back ordered at Amazon, I checked out B&N and the local store had it in stock. Went in today and no one can find it, their warehouse has it on back order and none of the other area stores have it. I added myself to the library hold list and hope to get it in a week or so.
DH & I are both seeing our numbers creep up and I'm interested in seeing if IF might be a fit for us.
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Post by mommastruedel on May 17, 2017 0:07:18 GMT
Thank you, melissa for posting this information. I have spent the afternoon looking at youtube talks that Dr. Fung has given. I find the subject fascinating and hearing the science behind it is refreshing. I have had the best results with low carb/ whole 30 but tend to plateau. I historically have never been a breakfast eater but had fallen into the belief that you have to eat breakfast for best results, so I have been making myself eat it. I'm excited to see how just the change of not eating until noon makes for my weight loss. I would like to point out to everyone that Dr. Fung also has a newer book out that is available (on Amazon and in bookstores). It is called "The Complete Guide to Fasting". I've ordered both books |
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Post by runner5 on May 17, 2017 0:38:54 GMT
DH always ate horribly and it finally started showing up with respect to his health. His legs broke out in sores that our chiropractor thought was staph. He sent him to an MD who scraped the cells and told him it was yeast.
He was concerned about the side effects of the meds that were prescribed and decided to address it through nutrition. He went back to our chiropractor who started coaching him through clean eating.
DH kept at it, journaled foods and reactions and found he didn't react as long as he followed a keto diet. He lost weight dramatically and got to 175 (he's 6' 4" tall). It was interesting to watch (and frightening when his weight got so low). His legs healed but if he added anything like carrots, sweet potatoes or beans, the sites on his legs would get inflamed again.
He kept on but several weeks later, without any changes in his diet, he started gaining weight again. He gradually gained 10 pounds and has stayed there.
He's trying to add back other whole foods. Again, carrots and aduzki beans were a failure. We keep hoping that one day he'll be able to eat a wider variety of vegetables.
I realize what he did doesn't mirror the IF part of this (the poor guy eats every few hours between meals but it's plain greens, raw almonds or sometimes his own sugar-free beef jerky that he makes) but I thought I'd share his story as someone asked what happens once you've lost all your excess weight. He went from a size 48 slacks to a 32 and now has settled to 34s. This was months ago and it seems like his weight is stable.
His mom was a diabetic and he weighed over 350 pounds in high school before we met. She was an amputee and a heart patient. He's in his 50s now and hasn't even had a cold in at least 5 years. His blood chemistry is great and he no longer has problems with high blood sugar or high blood pressure.
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Post by supersoda on May 17, 2017 1:20:05 GMT
I have never had a weight problem and am still well within the healthy range for my height. Still, six kids and in-my-40s later, I wouldn't mind dropping the half a dress size that stands between me and where I feel most comfortable. Here is my question--how does the book address alcohol? I cut way back on processed foods starting a month ago (I would have told you I didn't eat them anyway, but I had never really understood how much pasta, bread, and crackers I ate) and I feel better and my clothes are a little looser (I don't weigh myself regularly since my dance teacher used to weigh us and gave me a complex). I have never been a snacker and I am not big on sweets. My one vice is that I like a drink. Does the book suggest anything about if you can enjoy a glass of wine? The book says up to two glasses of red wine per day did not impact weight. I was super happy to read this! |
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Post by roxley on May 17, 2017 1:31:05 GMT
I have never had a weight problem and am still well within the healthy range for my height. Still, six kids and in-my-40s later, I wouldn't mind dropping the half a dress size that stands between me and where I feel most comfortable. Here is my question--how does the book address alcohol? I cut way back on processed foods starting a month ago (I would have told you I didn't eat them anyway, but I had never really understood how much pasta, bread, and crackers I ate) and I feel better and my clothes are a little looser (I don't weigh myself regularly since my dance teacher used to weigh us and gave me a complex). I have never been a snacker and I am not big on sweets. My one vice is that I like a drink. Does the book suggest anything about if you can enjoy a glass of wine? The book says up to two glasses of red wine per day did not impact weight. I was super happy to read this! Me too! Alcohol that doesn't effect your glucose is fine. No dessert wines , but dry is good. They said beer was ok, but no ciders. I would guess hard alcohol that isn't sweet would be fine. |
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Post by epeanymous on May 17, 2017 2:50:55 GMT
I have never had a weight problem and am still well within the healthy range for my height. Still, six kids and in-my-40s later, I wouldn't mind dropping the half a dress size that stands between me and where I feel most comfortable. Here is my question--how does the book address alcohol? I cut way back on processed foods starting a month ago (I would have told you I didn't eat them anyway, but I had never really understood how much pasta, bread, and crackers I ate) and I feel better and my clothes are a little looser (I don't weigh myself regularly since my dance teacher used to weigh us and gave me a complex). I have never been a snacker and I am not big on sweets. My one vice is that I like a drink. Does the book suggest anything about if you can enjoy a glass of wine? The book says up to two glasses of red wine per day did not impact weight. I was super happy to read this! This is what I would call "very good news." |
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Post by PEAcan pie on May 17, 2017 5:10:46 GMT
following this big time...I have so much to contribute! But leaving soon for vacation. Packing up 5 kids I have to wait till we get back in two weeks!
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. I got the book on audible and will start today. 
. His book doesn't only talk about fasting and types of calories. He does address obesity as being multifactorial and specifically addresses stress as a factor from a hormonal view point, including methods to reduce cortisol levels from stress. 
Doesn't sound like a lot to some, but now I have a much better understanding of why it's so difficult. Can't completely blame age or menopause anymore. Can't completely blame medication (though 5 rounds of steroids in 5 months didn't help). 
) it does sound a bit different and not just pushing a specific diet, which isn't one size fits all. I'm 15 lbs above my the top of my healthy range. Not that I'm hung up on a specific number. I've lost 25 lbs in the past 18 months. 
