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Post by imsirius on Jun 6, 2017 23:25:41 GMT
You have selective memory..seriously, do you even read what you write?
Lather rinse repeat...sigh.
ETA: I see you went back and edited your post...again.
I'm talking about your assumptions. You don't know that I'm not white or any other thing about me. Before you accuse me of believing in those things you should think before you type.
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Post by elaine on Jun 6, 2017 23:30:01 GMT
Your reading comprehension is equal to Trump's. Please find one single sentence that I have ever uttered, here or anywhere else, that supports your miscomprehension of my words about the reality of the horrors of the mistreatment of African Americans in the USA. You, regardless of whether you are white, black, or purple, have been a royal &itch to me, including recent comments about my taste in clothing. I have little respect for you because of your words/behavior, I don't care what ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation you are. You have been nasty to a number of people here, without provocation from me and others. Be a grown woman and own it. I've been no more nasty than any other pea but because I am a black woman my vocalness about issues important to me make me a "royal bitch". elaine you typed that with the way that I speak on this board you would not be surprised if I was mistreated by police. You didn't say that it was warranted but I believe that was understood. If you believe I have a poor attitude but it still would be unfair for police to treat me unfairly you would have said that. You did not. I pointed about that many other white people (I did not say all like @papercraftadvocate read) have a similar views. People seem to think it only happens in Chicago or where communities are mostly black. They still deserve proper policing but we know that it doesn't just happen in those areas. Again a lot of people feel like you've expressed....That if only black people behaved differently (In my case I'm assuming less like a bitch) somehow the police would treat us differently. I disagree with you. If I treated the police how you have treated me, and others here, I would not expect them to show respectful behavior to me. Skin color has nothing to do with it. That was my point. It is a fairly simple one. And direct. You brought the discussion from one of general real mistreatment of a group of people at the hands of law enforcement to one about you, your personal fears, and your behaviors. I responded to both levels, and yet you chose to shrug off responsibility for your own behaviors and somehow perform mental gymnastics to attempt to apply the part of my post aimed you personally to all African Americans, which I can assure you is your miscomprehension, and nothing to do with what I was saying. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 6, 2017 23:45:25 GMT
Yeah, I read that this morning. Definitely filed under ish black people have known forever. This is one of the reasons I have to get away from facebook sometimes, it's so overwhelming. This study wasn't even the worst I have encountered today. Sometimes the overwhelm of pain, suffering, and indignity inflicted on people I know and love is hard to hear and deal with. At the same time, I'm glad to know I have a community that gets it. No teaching, no mind numbing race 101 bullshit. I hope you have something like that too. I do have a supportive community but will admit spending way too much time upset about how unsupportive the rest of society is. In the interest of black joy did you see that cool video where the kids are all encouraging the friend to do a dangerous prank. Then he actually lands it? Lets see if this works |
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Post by Olan on Jun 6, 2017 23:56:44 GMT
You have selective memory..seriously, do you even read what you write? Lather rinse repeat...sigh. ETA: I see you went back and edited your post...again. I'm talking about your assumptions. You don't know that I'm not white or any other thing about me. Before you accuse me of believing in those things you should think before you type.
Just show me where I accused you of anything. I did not. You should say sorry and stop embarrassing yourself. I did edit as many peas do. You can check the edit history. Nothing online goes away. I'm editing to add distinction between quotes. I added Italics or bold no words were changed. I don't care about your skin color anymore than you care about mine. I didn't say white people justify the mistreatment of black people but elaine showed you just how they will now didn't she. My reading comprehension isn't bad. You just wanted to get all bandwagon angry and for what? Because I believe that SOME (you guys love to switch that up) white people share the same sentiment elaine was so brave enough to share. I don't see why you've taken this so personally. You are literally angry and cursing because I'm sharing my personal thoughts, feelings, assumptions, whatever you want to call it about how poorly black people are treated in America. Why argue with that? Do you disagree? Just say that then and be done with it. Don't get all personal because I certainly don't. Are you guys seeing this?  Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling 2peas NSBR Special Education Parent Liaison Ohio State University Never apologized. Continued harassment. Search Engine Optimization |
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Post by imsirius on Jun 7, 2017 0:01:39 GMT
I'm not embarrassing myself. Once again, you have no clue.
You SAID that me and Elaine think because of your comments here, we think you deserve to be mistreated by police.
In no way did either of us say, infer, or suggest that. YOU brought it up all on your own. You accused Elaine in your round about way that you do, that she felt because you were a "black woman" she felt you deserved it. AGAIN, YOU WERE THE ONE WHO TYPED IT.
Fuck me, are you intentionally this obtuse?
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Post by chances on Jun 7, 2017 0:02:09 GMT
Yeah, I read that this morning. Definitely filed under ish black people have known forever. This is one of the reasons I have to get away from facebook sometimes, it's so overwhelming. This study wasn't even the worst I have encountered today. Sometimes the overwhelm of pain, suffering, and indignity inflicted on people I know and love is hard to hear and deal with. At the same time, I'm glad to know I have a community that gets it. No teaching, no mind numbing race 101 bullshit. I hope you have something like that too. I do have a supportive community but will admit spending way too much time upset about how unsupportive the rest of society is. In the interest of black joy did you see that cool video where the kids are all encouraging the friend to do a dangerous prank. Then he actually lands it? Lets see if this worksI hear you. I have a job where I feel like I make a difference in the world. After that, I can't take on the emotional labor of getting people to challenge a system they benefit from. My heart is racing just thinking. 🤣🙂 I hadn't seen that! I was so scared for him. Teenagers! I don't know how parents get through those years. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 7, 2017 0:04:35 GMT
There are peas who try to make things personal only to detract from important issues. In the past I've been easily distracted and will start in with the cattiness and insults but this is important enough to be to not be deterred by that. I hope everyone can see things for what they really are but if not....
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Post by Olan on Jun 7, 2017 0:16:46 GMT
I do have a supportive community but will admit spending way too much time upset about how unsupportive the rest of society is. In the interest of black joy did you see that cool video where the kids are all encouraging the friend to do a dangerous prank. Then he actually lands it? Lets see if this worksI hear you. I have a job where I feel like I make a difference in the world. After that, I can't take on the emotional labor of getting people to challenge a system they benefit from. My heart is racing just thinking. 🤣🙂 I hadn't seen that! I was so scared for him. Teenagers! I don't know how parents get through those years. Intellectually I get this. I understand how invested they are in keeping things the same but now its like what do we do with this realization that things aren't ever likely to change. Its all rather depressing. I cried real tears watching that video this morning  . The kid with the braces and his squeal....just brightened my whole day. |
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Post by melanell on Jun 7, 2017 1:10:21 GMT
You know, I would like to say that I was surprised, as it is the 21st Century and all that. Sadly, I am not. Before I even clicked on the link my first thought was "I believe it."  It was an interesting article, though, and if nothing else, I am at least glad that someone is bothering to try to find a way to prove that this lack of respect or lesser show of respect is definitely happening. Because unfortunately, without proof of a problem, it's so much easier to deny that the problem exists and therefore shut down any calls for change. (And that exists with any type of problem, of course.) Unfortunately what I may see as "proof" may not be enough for someone else. That's my concern, here. That it will be too easy for someone to try to explain away. "Oh, they weren't being disrespectful---they were being blah, blah, blah." SaveSave |
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Post by peace on Jun 7, 2017 1:40:34 GMT
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I want to limit my interactions with law enforcement so much so that I hesitated in calling the police during a home robbery. Luckily it was just teenagers but I'd love for there to be more studies done about how counter-productive policing is in black communities. I appreciate your posts. I do not think - as a white woman- I have ANY idea what your world is like and I would like to be involved in making it better. You go on ahead posting about whatever is in the fore front of your world and I promise to read, feel and be changed- as much as this old person can be (I do participate in other things so this isn't it for my interactions but I find this equally important.) Thank you for taking the time. And I am sorry things are as they are. I am doing what I can in my corner to hopefully make change happen. And sooner rather than later. Peace to you and yours. |
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Post by shescrafty on Jun 7, 2017 1:49:16 GMT
I am not jumping in on personal issues people have with one another. I am going to speak only to the OP.
in my area a white councilman called another African American member "boy" during the same night anti-hate resolution was being proposed.
This comes on the heels of a black student being killed at UMD and the white killer was from our town. On the heels of nooses being placed at a neighboring middle school. There is absolutely a lack of respect for many in the black community from some in law enforcement. Then there is suspicion and caution, then negative interactions, and the cycle continues.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 7, 2017 2:52:34 GMT
Your reading comprehension is equal to Trump's. Please find one single sentence that I have ever uttered, here or anywhere else, that supports your miscomprehension of my words about the reality of the horrors of the mistreatment of African Americans in the USA. You, regardless of whether you are white, black, or purple, have been a royal &itch to me, including recent comments about my taste in clothing. I have little respect for you because of your words/behavior, I don't care what ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation you are. You have been nasty to a number of people here, without provocation from me and others. Be a grown woman and own it. I've been no more nasty than any other pea but because I am a black woman my vocalness about issues important to me make me a "royal bitch". elaine you typed that with the way that I speak on this board you would not be surprised if I was mistreated by police. You didn't say that it was warranted but I believe that was understood. If you believe I have a poor attitude but it still would be unfair for police to treat me unfairly you would have said that. You did not. I pointed about that many other white people (I did not say all like @papercraftadvocate read) have a similar views. People seem to think it only happens in Chicago or where communities are mostly black. They still deserve proper policing but we know that it doesn't just happen in those areas. Again a lot of people feel like you've expressed....That if only black people behaved differently (In my case I'm assuming less like a bitch) somehow the police would treat us differently. I disagree with you. Wait---back it up--you are not going to tell me "how I read" something. I used YOUR EXACT WORDS. If I would have read and meant "all", I would have stated it. I did not. So kindly--stop making (wrong) assumptions and statements here. And on the Elaine comments. YOU are assuming and trying to put words into her posts. YOU are the one stating that you are not liked (or bitch or whatever) because of your skin color. You realize that being a bitch is not an affliction for just black women--nor did Elaine ever state that--YOU DID. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 7, 2017 3:38:11 GMT
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I want to limit my interactions with law enforcement so much so that I hesitated in calling the police during a home robbery. Luckily it was just teenagers but I'd love for there to be more studies done about how counter-productive policing is in black communities. I appreciate your posts. I do not think - as a white woman- I have ANY idea what your world is like and I would like to be involved in making it better. You go on ahead posting about whatever is in the fore front of your world and I promise to read, feel and be changed- as much as this old person can be (I do participate in other things so this isn't it for my interactions but I find this equally important.) Thank you for taking the time. And I am sorry things are as they are. I am doing what I can in my corner to hopefully make change happen. And sooner rather than later. Peace to you and yours. Thank you. I appreciate you recognizing the intent of my posts and doing what you can in your corner of the world. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 7, 2017 4:07:20 GMT
I am not jumping in on personal issues people have with one another. I am going to speak only to the OP. in my area a white councilman called another African American member "boy" during the same night anti-hate resolution was being proposed. This comes on the heels of a black student being killed at UMD and the white killer was from our town. On the heels of nooses being placed at a neighboring middle school. There is absolutely a lack of respect for many in the black community from some in law enforcement. Then there is suspicion and caution, then negative interactions, and the cycle continues. A lot of peas think they have personal issues with me but from henceforth they will have no worries. Released ha! Not another acklowedgement from me. It's the same characters each time. And with the same damn tactics. It would be nice to have "allies" call out the foolishness but it's really no skin off my back. I am firmly planted in a place where someone's opinion of my Internet persona can't touch me. Bigger fish to fry. That county has major issues. Those men are trying to fight the hate crime claim with their lawyer calling it a high school prank. I have no doubt the defense will work. The black student (graduate if he had lived) was an officer in the Army. In my opinion the way the state of Maryland marked his tragic death sucked. Add insult to injury Welby Burgone (AA Police Department) and Matt Worth (of Sandy Springs Utah) congratulated their classmate on killing this man. Burgone will probably be brought back on by AA County despite my daily calls. Either that or Delaware police will hire him. And he will undoubtedly pull over an African American citizen at some point in his career. Urbanski' (2nd Lt. Richard Collins III's killer) mother is employed at UofM. Her son killed a kid on campus and sat in court and asked he be released on bail. He needs substance abuse counseling they said ummm okay. Something is incredibly wrong in the very fabric of that community. Sidewalk chalk will not fix it. |
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Post by Merge on Jun 7, 2017 11:44:45 GMT
I am not jumping in on personal issues people have with one another. I am going to speak only to the OP. in my area a white councilman called another African American member "boy" during the same night anti-hate resolution was being proposed. This comes on the heels of a black student being killed at UMD and the white killer was from our town. On the heels of nooses being placed at a neighboring middle school. There is absolutely a lack of respect for many in the black community from some in law enforcement. Then there is suspicion and caution, then negative interactions, and the cycle continues. A lot of peas think they have personal issues with me but from henceforth they will have no worries. Released ha! Not another acklowedgement from me. It's the same characters each time. And with the same damn tactics. It would be nice to have "allies" call out the foolishness but it's really no skin off my back. Olan, I'm an ally, I hear you, I validate your anger. I'm just not interested in getting in the middle of a pissing match between you and peas I know are also your allies. This is the kind of infighting among liberals that, if it continues, will cause Trump to win another term and continue to empower those with racist tendencies to act on them. That's why you haven't seen me posting on this thread. For a more just country for everyone, we need to keep our eyes on the goal. |
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Post by melanell on Jun 7, 2017 12:19:02 GMT
In the past I've been easily distracted and will start in with the cattiness and insults but this is important enough to be to not be deterred by that. This is a really great goal for anyone who wishes to help make a difference of any sort in the world. We cannot move forward and hope for change in anything if we continually find ourselves bogged down by bickering instead. I hope this change that you have decided to implement in your conversations here will be a helpful one for you.  Save |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 13:34:50 GMT
There are peas who try to make things personal only to detract from important issues. In the past I've been easily distracted and will start in with the cattiness and insults but this is important enough to be to not be deterred by that. I hope everyone can see things for what they really are but if not.... And you fell for that right here. You completely ignored my post because you were too caught up in some drama. |
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Post by likescarrots on Jun 7, 2017 17:34:33 GMT
You know, I would like to say that I was surprised, as it is the 21st Century and all that. Sadly, I am not. Before I even clicked on the link my first thought was "I believe it." It was an interesting article, though, and if nothing else, I am at least glad that someone is bothering to try to find a way to prove that this lack of respect or lesser show of respect is definitely happening. Because unfortunately, without proof of a problem, it's so much easier to deny that the problem exists and therefore shut down any calls for change. (And that exists with any type of problem, of course.) Unfortunately what I may see as "proof" may not be enough for someone else. That's my concern, here. That it will be too easy for someone to try to explain away. "Oh, they weren't being disrespectful---they were being blah, blah, blah." SaveSaveya i mean is pretty obvious from this thread alone that racist people are still going to think it's the fault of the black person. See ITT: black people are just spending time in the wrong neighborhood (...white people talking about how their white interactions with cops in their majority white neighborhood don't end up that way) Block people are just not acting the 'right way' toward the police Etc. |
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Post by flanz on Jun 7, 2017 17:39:18 GMT
Given the article that you posted, were you hesitant to call the police because you personally fear the police or did you hesitate calling in for fear of what may (or may not) have happened to those teenagers home invading you? Both. I'm fearful that the police wouldn't be able to determine me a victim and what could happen to the person actually victimizing me. I am so sorry that this is the reality of our country today. Totally EFFed up!!! Racial profiling, white privilege, overt racism, institutional racism. I wish I had a magic wand to blast them away forever. ((((HUGS)))) I'm a middle-aged white woman who tries to be the best ally I can be for black and brown people. Am helping with a lecture and book sale by a local black pastor (in a very white and brown city) on Saturday, trying to help get his message out. We white folks need to read a lot more black voices and to talk to black people whenever we can, to learn as much as we can. And to educate ourselves in race related issues. It is not the job of a black person to teach us - WE need to do it! |
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Post by flanz on Jun 7, 2017 17:41:45 GMT
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I want to limit my interactions with law enforcement so much so that I hesitated in calling the police during a home robbery. Luckily it was just teenagers but I'd love for there to be more studies done about how counter-productive policing is in black communities. I appreciate your posts. I do not think - as a white woman- I have ANY idea what your world is like and I would like to be involved in making it better. You go on ahead posting about whatever is in the fore front of your world and I promise to read, feel and be changed- as much as this old person can be (I do participate in other things so this isn't it for my interactions but I find this equally important.) Thank you for taking the time. And I am sorry things are as they are. I am doing what I can in my corner to hopefully make change happen. And sooner rather than later. Peace to you and yours. YES!!! |
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Post by inkedup on Jun 7, 2017 17:44:17 GMT
It's not only black peoole who are treated unfairly by the police. Hispanics and low income people are often subject to the same mistreatment. Do you know that my grandfather, whose family has been in America since before it was a country, wasn't allowed at the front of the bus, either?
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Post by Olan on Jun 7, 2017 18:46:56 GMT
A lot of peas think they have personal issues with me but from henceforth they will have no worries. Released ha! Not another acklowedgement from me. It's the same characters each time. And with the same damn tactics. It would be nice to have "allies" call out the foolishness but it's really no skin off my back. Olan, I'm an ally, I hear you, I validate your anger. I'm just not interested in getting in the middle of a pissing match between you and peas I know are also your allies. This is the kind of infighting among liberals that, if it continues, will cause Trump to win another term and continue to empower those with racist tendencies to act on them.
That's why you haven't seen me posting on this thread. For a more just country for everyone, we need to keep our eyes on the goal. Well I appreciate your explanation as to why you hadn't posted before now, it wasn't necessary. Also I should be allowed the autonomy to decide for myself who is an ally or an enemy. This WAS NOT a fight amongst liberals it was me Olan posting a study I found informative and Elaine commenting that with my posting history it wouldn't be a surprised if my interactions with police involved disrespect and mistreatment. I let her know (without the vitriol that she used to address me) that I felt her perception of me was in large part because I am an African American woman I also shared that her victim blaming tactics are common. We've seen that in almost every police shooting of black bodies haven't we. I stand by those words just as I stand by everything I type here...good or bad. As an ally its up to everyone to decide what behaviors they'd like call out *shurgs*. You can go back and read word for word what she said. If Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling’s comments bothered no one but me thats fine. I am perfectly capable of defending myself. Though I thought that was one of the most important roles of an ally. Calling out shit behaviors. Speaking up etc. X also has a pattern of odd behaviors that no one else seems to think is unfair to me. Yet there is never a time where even the most innocent of my comments are not twisted and handslapping and bandwagoning ensues. I am shown no grace. Ever. Elaine assumed a very clear comment was a personal attack on her and then tried to get everyone to believe she was right. When she kept insisting I insulted her I finally did. I stand by the comment her dress was ugly and no shoe would help because again I own my behaviors good or bad. Note you've taken the time to share with only me what you think my responsibility is in the 2020 elections. Was it fighting amongst liberals that got us into the predicament we find ourselves in now? |
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Post by Olan on Jun 7, 2017 18:47:55 GMT
Both. I'm fearful that the police wouldn't be able to determine me a victim and what could happen to the person actually victimizing me. I am so sorry that this is the reality of our country today. Totally EFFed up!!! Racial profiling, white privilege, overt racism, institutional racism. I wish I had a magic wand to blast them away forever. ((((HUGS)))) I'm a middle-aged white woman who tries to be the best ally I can be for black and brown people. Am helping with a lecture and book sale by a local black pastor (in a very white and brown city) on Saturday, trying to help get his message out. We white folks need to read a lot more black voices and to talk to black people whenever we can, to learn as much as we can. And to educate ourselves in race related issues. It is not the job of a black person to teach us - WE need to do it! Thank you. I appreciate it. |
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Post by Merge on Jun 7, 2017 21:42:35 GMT
Olan, I'm an ally, I hear you, I validate your anger. I'm just not interested in getting in the middle of a pissing match between you and peas I know are also your allies. This is the kind of infighting among liberals that, if it continues, will cause Trump to win another term and continue to empower those with racist tendencies to act on them.
That's why you haven't seen me posting on this thread. For a more just country for everyone, we need to keep our eyes on the goal. Well I appreciate your explanation as to why you hadn't posted before now, it wasn't necessary. Also I should be allowed the autonomy to decide for myself who is an ally or an enemy. This WAS NOT a fight amongst liberals it was me Olan posting a study I found informative and Elaine commenting that with my posting history it wouldn't be a surprised if my interactions with police involved disrespect and mistreatment. I let her know (without the vitriol that she used to address me) that I felt her perception of me was in large part because I am an African American woman I also shared that her victim blaming tactics are common. We've seen that in almost every police shooting of black bodies haven't we. I stand by those words just as I stand by everything I type here...good or bad. As an ally its up to everyone to decide what behaviors they'd like call out *shurgs*. You can go back and read word for word what she said. If Elaine's comments bothered no one but me thats fine. I am perfectly capable of defending myself. Though I thought that was one of the most important roles of an ally. Calling out shit behaviors. Speaking up etc. X also has a pattern of odd behaviors that no one else seems to think is unfair to me. Yet there is never a time where even the most innocent of my comments are not twisted and handslapping and bandwagoning ensues. I am shown no grace. Ever. Elaine assumed a very clear comment was a personal attack on her and then tried to get everyone to believe she was right. When she kept insisting I insulted her I finally did. I stand by the comment her dress was ugly and no shoe would help because again I own my behaviors good or bad. Note you've taken the time to share with only me what you think my responsibility is in the 2020 elections. Was it fighting amongst liberals that got us into the predicament we find ourselves in now? No, I shared with everyone involved, not just with you. My comments apply to everyone here who wants to see a change in 2020. That goes for you, Elaine, and everyone else involved in this ridiculous pissing match. I'm not trying to tell you what to think or what to do - like you, I have my own opinion and get to express it here. And I know that these ladies are typically among those who speak out for justice and tolerance when racial issues are discussed here. And yes, I do think that fighting amongst liberals helped to get us to this point. Many Sanders supporters sat out the election because they were butthurt their candidate wasn't the nominee. Many who had voted for Obama sat out the election because Clinton "didn't excite them" enough. And here we all are. |
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Post by likescarrots on Jun 7, 2017 23:45:23 GMT
Well I appreciate your explanation as to why you hadn't posted before now, it wasn't necessary. Also I should be allowed the autonomy to decide for myself who is an ally or an enemy. This WAS NOT a fight amongst liberals it was me Olan posting a study I found informative and Elaine commenting that with my posting history it wouldn't be a surprised if my interactions with police involved disrespect and mistreatment. I let her know (without the vitriol that she used to address me) that I felt her perception of me was in large part because I am an African American woman I also shared that her victim blaming tactics are common. We've seen that in almost every police shooting of black bodies haven't we. I stand by those words just as I stand by everything I type here...good or bad. As an ally its up to everyone to decide what behaviors they'd like call out *shurgs*. You can go back and read word for word what she said. If Elaine's comments bothered no one but me thats fine. I am perfectly capable of defending myself. Though I thought that was one of the most important roles of an ally. Calling out shit behaviors. Speaking up etc. X also has a pattern of odd behaviors that no one else seems to think is unfair to me. Yet there is never a time where even the most innocent of my comments are not twisted and handslapping and bandwagoning ensues. I am shown no grace. Ever. Elaine assumed a very clear comment was a personal attack on her and then tried to get everyone to believe she was right. When she kept insisting I insulted her I finally did. I stand by the comment her dress was ugly and no shoe would help because again I own my behaviors good or bad. Note you've taken the time to share with only me what you think my responsibility is in the 2020 elections. Was it fighting amongst liberals that got us into the predicament we find ourselves in now? No, I shared with everyone involved, not just with you. My comments apply to everyone here who wants to see a change in 2020. That goes for you, Elaine, and everyone else involved in this ridiculous pissing match. I'm not trying to tell you what to think or what to do - like you, I have my own opinion and get to express it here. And I know that these ladies are typically among those who speak out for justice and tolerance when racial issues are discussed here. And yes, I do think that fighting amongst liberals helped to get us to this point. Many Sanders supporters sat out the election because they were butthurt their candidate wasn't the nominee. Many who had voted for Obama sat out the election because Clinton "didn't excite them" enough. And here we all are. ...ya i guess i am butt hurt and didn't vote for Clinton. But it's not that my candidate didn't win the primary. Its that my generation is now growing up to be ptsd vets just like my dad and my late father in law. And their kids are going to have to live with that shit the way i did, and do still. Having to wonder if my dad is going to just up and leave, become homeless, and i will never see him again...or worse. Our maybe he'll die for from a disease he acquired at war like my father in law did. And it's Hillary Clinton’s self serving decisions that are partially responsible for that. You want to talk about dividing the left, keep acting condescending and treating people who didn't buy what you were selling like children instead of looking at what they were really saying. |
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Post by Merge on Jun 8, 2017 0:02:20 GMT
No, I shared with everyone involved, not just with you. My comments apply to everyone here who wants to see a change in 2020. That goes for you, Elaine, and everyone else involved in this ridiculous pissing match. I'm not trying to tell you what to think or what to do - like you, I have my own opinion and get to express it here. And I know that these ladies are typically among those who speak out for justice and tolerance when racial issues are discussed here. And yes, I do think that fighting amongst liberals helped to get us to this point. Many Sanders supporters sat out the election because they were butthurt their candidate wasn't the nominee. Many who had voted for Obama sat out the election because Clinton "didn't excite them" enough. And here we all are. ...ya i guess i am butt hurt and didn't vote for Clinton. But it's not that my candidate didn't win the primary. Its that my generation is now growing up to be ptsd vets just like my dad and my late father in law. And their kids are going to have to live with that shit the way i did, and do still. Having to wonder if my dad is going to just up and leave, become homeless, and i will never see him again...or worse. Our maybe he'll die for from a disease he acquired at war like my father in law did. And it's Hillary Clinton’s self serving decisions that are partially responsible for that. You want to talk about dividing the left, keep acting condescending and treating people who didn't buy what you were selling like children instead of looking at what they were really saying. Are you better off with Trump? I'm not being condescending; I'm simply stating fact. If we cannot unite behind a candidate in 2020, Trump will win another term. If that's what you want, by all means, hold on to your personal grievances. |
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Post by Merge on Jun 8, 2017 0:05:48 GMT
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Post by likescarrots on Jun 8, 2017 0:33:32 GMT
...ya i guess i am butt hurt and didn't vote for Clinton. But it's not that my candidate didn't win the primary. Its that my generation is now growing up to be ptsd vets just like my dad and my late father in law. And their kids are going to have to live with that shit the way i did, and do still. Having to wonder if my dad is going to just up and leave, become homeless, and i will never see him again...or worse. Our maybe he'll die for from a disease he acquired at war like my father in law did. And it's Hillary Clinton’s self serving decisions that are partially responsible for that. You want to talk about dividing the left, keep acting condescending and treating people who didn't buy what you were selling like children instead of looking at what they were really saying. Are you better off with Trump? I'm not being condescending; I'm simply stating fact. If we cannot unite behind a candidate in 2020, Trump will win another term. If that's what you want, by all means, hold on to your personal grievances. i don't want Donald Trump to be president and i don't want hillary Clinton to be president. And my 'personal greivances' are everybody's problem. 20% of iraq and afganistan vets have ptsd and that number is going to climb over the next 20some years, if vietnam is any indication. My father's ptsd didn't manifest for almost 20 years. Even if you don't care about vets (seems like you don't since you're implying that this is my issue only because of my family's situation...) your taxes are going to fund my father's disability wages for the rest of his life. So no, i can't unite behind a candidate that puts the wellbeing of our citizens, including our military, at risk. And it has nothing to do with being 'butt hurt' (tell me again how that's not condescending...) because my candidate didn't win the primary. |
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Post by Merge on Jun 8, 2017 1:00:04 GMT
Are you better off with Trump? I'm not being condescending; I'm simply stating fact. If we cannot unite behind a candidate in 2020, Trump will win another term. If that's what you want, by all means, hold on to your personal grievances. i don't want Donald Trump to be president and i don't want hillary Clinton to be president. And my 'personal greivances' are everybody's problem. 20% of iraq and afganistan vets have ptsd and that number is going to climb over the next 20some years, if vietnam is any indication. My father's ptsd didn't manifest for almost 20 years. Even if you don't care about vets (seems like you don't since you're implying that this is my issue only because of my family's situation...) your taxes are going to fund my father's disability wages for the rest of his life. So no, i can't unite behind a candidate that puts the wellbeing of our citizens, including our military, at risk. And it has nothing to do with being 'butt hurt' (tell me again how that's not condescending...) because my candidate didn't win the primary. With all due respect, if my family was so strongly affected by PTSD, I think I'd vote for the person *out of the available candidates* most likely to support available, affordable health care for all, including mental health care. Do you think Trump has your specific interests more at heart than Hillary did? Because by sitting out the vote, that's effectively the choice you made. That's all I'm saying. |
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Post by likescarrots on Jun 8, 2017 1:09:46 GMT
i don't want Donald Trump to be president and i don't want hillary Clinton to be president. And my 'personal greivances' are everybody's problem. 20% of iraq and afganistan vets have ptsd and that number is going to climb over the next 20some years, if vietnam is any indication. My father's ptsd didn't manifest for almost 20 years. Even if you don't care about vets (seems like you don't since you're implying that this is my issue only because of my family's situation...) your taxes are going to fund my father's disability wages for the rest of his life. So no, i can't unite behind a candidate that puts the wellbeing of our citizens, including our military, at risk. And it has nothing to do with being 'butt hurt' (tell me again how that's not condescending...) because my candidate didn't win the primary. With all due respect, if my family was so strongly affected by PTSD, I think I'd vote for the person *out of the available candidates* most likely to support available, affordable health care for all, including mental health care. Do you think Trump has your specific interests more at heart than Hillary did? Because by sitting out the vote, that's effectively the choice you made. That's all I'm saying. I'm perfectly aware of the choice i made, and i don't think either hillary clinton or donald trump had my interests or the interests of the majority of people in this country at heart. And I missed that cute little meme you posted before my last post, but lol at you talking about people on this thread being divisive with their bad attitudes and you're just a perfect little angel. |
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. The kid with the braces and his squeal....just brightened my whole day. 
