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Post by Olan on Jun 6, 2017 17:46:06 GMT
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I want to limit my interactions with law enforcement so much so that I hesitated in calling the police during a home robbery. Luckily it was just teenagers but I'd love for there to be more studies done about how counter-productive policing is in black communities. Updated: Couple more relevant news stories. TX Uber Driver He reports feeling intimidated by police. New Jersey Police Chief
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 6, 2017 17:57:32 GMT
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I want to limit my interactions with law enforcement so much so that I hesitated in calling the police during a home robbery. Luckily it was just teenagers but I'd love for there to be more studies done about how counter-productive policing is in black communities. Given the article that you posted, were you hesitant to call the police because you personally fear the police or did you hesitate calling in for fear of what may (or may not) have happened to those teenagers home invading you? |
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Post by rodeomom on Jun 6, 2017 17:57:33 GMT
That was interesting thanks for posting.
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Post by Olan on Jun 6, 2017 19:15:36 GMT
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I want to limit my interactions with law enforcement so much so that I hesitated in calling the police during a home robbery. Luckily it was just teenagers but I'd love for there to be more studies done about how counter-productive policing is in black communities. Given the article that you posted, were you hesitant to call the police because you personally fear the police or did you hesitate calling in for fear of what may (or may not) have happened to those teenagers home invading you? Both. I'm fearful that the police wouldn't be able to determine me a victim and what could happen to the person actually victimizing me. |
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Post by mimima on Jun 6, 2017 19:24:48 GMT
You know, I would like to say that I was surprised, as it is the 21st Century and all that. Sadly, I am not.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Jun 6, 2017 20:52:27 GMT
Why is race the only thing you post about?
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Post by used2scrap on Jun 6, 2017 20:58:54 GMT
Wish I could say I was surprised, interesting study.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 6, 2017 21:26:29 GMT
Given the article that you posted, were you hesitant to call the police because you personally fear the police or did you hesitate calling in for fear of what may (or may not) have happened to those teenagers home invading you? Both. I'm fearful that the police wouldn't be able to determine me a victim and what could happen to the person actually victimizing me. Have you personally reached out to your local law enforcement and shared those concerns? |
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Post by elaine on Jun 6, 2017 21:32:59 GMT
I have no doubt regarding the findings of the study. Which is incredibly depressing and wrong.
And, I would also add that one's interpersonal communication style also impacts how one is treated, regardless of race.
If the OP speaks to people IRL as she does here, I would not be surprised if she received less-than-polite responses/treatment in return.
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Post by Olan on Jun 6, 2017 22:12:37 GMT
Both. I'm fearful that the police wouldn't be able to determine me a victim and what could happen to the person actually victimizing me. Have you personally reached out to your local law enforcement and shared those concerns? I have. In person. By phone. Via email. Via snail mail. I feel pretty passionately about this issue. I wish more people did. |
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Post by Really Red on Jun 6, 2017 22:12:41 GMT
My niece lives in an all-Black neighborhood in Chicago. She was recently robbed and the police said it wasn't even worth their time to go there. WTF? I'm sorry Olan I really do think it's dependent on where you live. I don't doubt your study, and it's clearly a problem everywhere, but I think where you live can make a big difference. I live in a neighborhood where it's roughly 60% white and 40% Black and I socialize with my neighbors a lot. We talk about this stuff all the time. There are a lot of problems Black people have in my city, but the police is not one of them. |
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 6, 2017 22:16:46 GMT
Have you personally reached out to your local law enforcement and shared those concerns? I have. In person. By phone. Via email. Via snail mail. I feel pretty passionately about this issue. I wish more people did. I know what you mean. I wish people were more passionate about proper treatment of animals (dogs in particular), but that's just where I'm at personally. I think people become passionate about what directly or indirectly affects them. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 6, 2017 22:21:38 GMT
I have no doubt regarding the findings of the study. Which is incredibly depressing and wrong. And, I would also add that one's interpersonal communication style also impacts how one is treated, regardless of race. If the OP speaks to people IRL as she does here, I would not be surprised if she received less-than-polite responses/treatment in return. It would be a death wish to speak with disrespect to an officer as a black woman. I would venture to guess no one does this. With that sad fact aside your perception of me is guided in large part because I am a black woman. I'm no more or no less angry or surly than any other pea here. We also know that white criminals can behave any way they'd like and still receive better treatment than black criminals. Black people have been placated for a long time with this idea that if you are respectful and not a criminal you shouldn't have any problems interacting with police but then men in stalled cars and with licenses to carry are shot with no justice you realize that isn't the truth. I think a lot of white people are like elaine (Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling) and believe that the mistreatment of black people is warranted and could be prevented if black people behaved differently. Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling 2peas NSBR Special Education Parent Liaison Ohio State University Never apologized. Continued harassment/antagonistic behavior. Search Engine Optimization Let’s see how your next job search goes Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 6, 2017 22:25:46 GMT
I have. In person. By phone. Via email. Via snail mail. I feel pretty passionately about this issue. I wish more people did. I know what you mean. I wish people were more passionate about proper treatment of animals (dogs in particular), but that's just where I'm at personally. I think people become passionate about what directly or indirectly affects them. And what a sad thing to be a black person in America and to know how much your ancestors have contributed to this country, only to have the majority of Americans prioritized the mistreatment of animals over the mistreatment of black bodies. This feeling is also common |
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 6, 2017 22:28:02 GMT
I know what you mean. I wish people were more passionate about proper treatment of animals (dogs in particular), but that's just where I'm at personally. I think people become passionate about what directly or indirectly affects them. And what a sad thing to be a black person in America and to know how much your ancestors have contributed to this country, only to have the majority of Americans prioritized the mistreatment of animals over the mistreatment of black bodies. This feeling is also common Oh Olan...never change. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 6, 2017 22:30:09 GMT
And what a sad thing to be a black person in America and to know how much your ancestors have contributed to this country, only to have the majority of Americans prioritized the mistreatment of animals over the mistreatment of black bodies. This feeling is also common Oh Olan ...never change. please do. Especially before the 2020 election. I say this unsure and uncaring of who you voted for this election season. And how does the mistreatment of dogs effect you directly or indirectly? Thats something to ponder isn't it? |
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Post by Olan on Jun 6, 2017 22:34:47 GMT
That was interesting thanks for posting. No problem! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 22:43:32 GMT
With the limited exposure of seeing it happen (watching cop shows and the news) I sadly agree. Not all cops but the majority. I think a lot of the actions and reactions, on both sides, are due to anger and fear. And I don't see it getting any better without some sort of change. Maybe you can start some sort of grassroots campaign in your community that brings people and cops together like this: coffee with copsI don't know. I don't have an answer or the perfect solution. But I do have compassion for you. And I wish there was something that could be done. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 6, 2017 22:46:11 GMT
My niece lives in an all-Black neighborhood in Chicago. She was recently robbed and the police said it wasn't even worth their time to go there. WTF? I'm sorry Olan I really do think it's dependent on where you live. I don't doubt your study, and it's clearly a problem everywhere, but I think where you live can make a big difference. I live in a neighborhood where it's roughly 60% white and 40% Black and I socialize with my neighbors a lot. We talk about this stuff all the time. There are a lot of problems Black people have in my city, but the police is not one of them. Chicago is Chicago. Not all black people live in Chicago or neighborhoods like it. Balch Springs Police Department killed a kid. Thats Texas. In the 'burbs. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 6, 2017 22:47:34 GMT
Not all white people believe that disrespect is warranted towards black people.
And I'm very compassionate and passionate about the mistreatment of animals, HOWEVER--it is not even a comparison (like you're doing) of humans vs animals.
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Post by imsirius on Jun 6, 2017 22:54:28 GMT
I have no doubt regarding the findings of the study. Which is incredibly depressing and wrong. And, I would also add that one's interpersonal communication style also impacts how one is treated, regardless of race. If the OP speaks to people IRL as she does here, I would not be surprised if she received less-than-polite responses/treatment in return. It would be a death wish to speak with disrespect to an officer as a black woman. I would venture to guess no one does this. With that sad fact aside your perception of me is guided in large part because I am a black woman. I'm no more or no less angry or surly than any other pea here. We also know that white criminals can behave any way they'd like and still receive better treatment than black criminals. Black people have been placated for a long time with this idea that if you are respectful and not a criminal you shouldn't have any problems interacting with police but then men in stalled cars and with licenses to carry are shot with no justice you realize that isn't the truth. I think a lot of white people are like elaine and believe that the mistreatment of black people is warranted and could be prevented if black people behaved differently. I can't even believe you wrote this! I can believe Elaine, and many, many other peas', (myself included) only perception of you is that you play victim better than anyone on the board. Your attitude, NOT YOUR SKIN COLOUR is why they feel they way they do. Nothing more. SMH |
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Post by Olan on Jun 6, 2017 23:03:18 GMT
Not all white people believe that disrespect is warranted towards black people. And I'm very compassionate and passionate about the mistreatment of animals, HOWEVER--it is not even a comparison (like you're doing) of humans vs animals. Smh Olan "It would be a death wish to speak with disrespect to an officer as a black woman. I would venture to guess no one does this. With that sad fact aside your perception of me is guided in large part because I am a black woman. I'm no more or no less angry or surly than any other pea here. We also know that white criminals can behave any way they'd like and still receive better treatment than black criminals. Black people have been placated for a long time with this idea that if you are respectful and not a criminal you shouldn't have any problems interacting with police but then men in stalled cars and with licenses to carry are shot with no justice you realize that isn't the truth. I think a lot of white people are like elaine and believe that the mistreatment of black people is warranted and could be prevented if black people behaved differently." Olan If I were not a black woman I'm fairly confident my cause would be conservation/animals. Unfortunately for me I can't concern myself with the mistreatment of animals because the future of my own child is uncertain. Also I did not make a comparison between humans and animals I responded to Mizindependent who said "I know what you mean. I wish people were more passionate about proper treatment of animals (dogs in particular), but that's just where I'm at personally." MizIndependent comment reads a certain way. I'm sure just as she intended it. Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling 2peas NSBR Special Education Parent Liaison Ohio State University Never apologized. Continued harassment. Search Engine Optimization |
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Post by elaine on Jun 6, 2017 23:05:01 GMT
I have no doubt regarding the findings of the study. Which is incredibly depressing and wrong. And, I would also add that one's interpersonal communication style also impacts how one is treated, regardless of race. If the OP speaks to people IRL as she does here, I would not be surprised if she received less-than-polite responses/treatment in return. It would be a death wish to speak with disrespect to an officer as a black woman. I would venture to guess no one does this. With that sad fact aside your perception of me is guided in large part because I am a black woman. I'm no more or no less angry or surly than any other pea here. We also know that white criminals can behave any way they'd like and still receive better treatment than black criminals. Black people have been placated for a long time with this idea that if you are respectful and not a criminal you shouldn't have any problems interacting with police but then men in stalled cars and with licenses to carry are shot with no justice you realize that isn't the truth. I think a lot of white people are like elaine and believe that the mistreatment of black people is warranted and could be prevented if black people behaved differently. Your reading comprehension is equal to Trump's. Please find one single sentence that I have ever uttered, here or anywhere else, that supports your miscomprehension of my words about the reality of the horrors of the mistreatment of African Americans in the USA. You, regardless of whether you are white, black, or purple, have been a royal &itch to me, including recent comments about my taste in clothing. I have little respect for you because of your words/behavior, I don't care what ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation you are. You have been nasty to a number of people here, without provocation from me and others. Be a grown woman and own it. |
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Post by awesomegabi on Jun 6, 2017 23:07:57 GMT
I do agree. I've had mixed encounters with police, some good and some really bad. It can really vary; sometimes its because of the location, time of day, number of black people around when the cops show up, the nature of the call to them, etc... I mean sometimes you really don't know what you're going to get when it comes to police interactions and honestly I tend to lean more towards the negative side because that is my experience, doesn't really matter how I act I tend to get the same treatment... And that is depressing.
Its one of those unfortunate things where its become normal and almost expected.
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Post by Olan on Jun 6, 2017 23:10:54 GMT
It would be a death wish to speak with disrespect to an officer as a black woman. I would venture to guess no one does this. With that sad fact aside your perception of me is guided in large part because I am a black woman. I'm no more or no less angry or surly than any other pea here. We also know that white criminals can behave any way they'd like and still receive better treatment than black criminals. Black people have been placated for a long time with this idea that if you are respectful and not a criminal you shouldn't have any problems interacting with police but then men in stalled cars and with licenses to carry are shot with no justice you realize that isn't the truth. I think a lot of white people are like elaine and believe that the mistreatment of black people is warranted and could be prevented if black people behaved differently. I can't even believe you wrote this! I can believe Elaine, and many, many other peas', (myself included) only perception of you is that you play victim better than anyone on the board. Your attitude, NOT YOUR SKIN COLOUR is why they feel they way they do. Nothing more. SMH What would I be a victim of? You are who you are and I am who I am. No one needs to see me as a victim because I certainly do not. And I said what I said because apparently you and Elaine think my comments on this messageboard means if/when I encounter the police I deserve to be met with disrespect or mistreatment. I love how you are all like "I can't believe you wrote this" not only did I write it but I meant it. I appreciate her honesty and responded to it with the same candor. Your "only" perception of me is just that, your perception. I also have perceptions. *shrugs* |
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Post by imsirius on Jun 6, 2017 23:14:02 GMT
Please prove to me anywhere where I have EVER said black people deserve disrespect or mistreatment?
You will be searching a looong time sister, You don't even know me, have never seen a photo of me. Your assumptions are fucking laughable.
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Post by Olan on Jun 6, 2017 23:17:22 GMT
It would be a death wish to speak with disrespect to an officer as a black woman. I would venture to guess no one does this. With that sad fact aside your perception of me is guided in large part because I am a black woman. I'm no more or no less angry or surly than any other pea here. We also know that white criminals can behave any way they'd like and still receive better treatment than black criminals. Black people have been placated for a long time with this idea that if you are respectful and not a criminal you shouldn't have any problems interacting with police but then men in stalled cars and with licenses to carry are shot with no justice you realize that isn't the truth. I think a lot of white people are like elaine and believe that the mistreatment of black people is warranted and could be prevented if black people behaved differently. Your reading comprehension is equal to Trump's. Please find one single sentence that I have ever uttered, here or anywhere else, that supports your miscomprehension of my words about the reality of the horrors of the mistreatment of African Americans in the USA. You, regardless of whether you are white, black, or purple, have been a royal &itch to me, including recent comments about my taste in clothing. I have little respect for you because of your words/behavior, I don't care what ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation you are. You have been nasty to a number of people here, without provocation from me and others. Be a grown woman and own it. I've been no more nasty than any other pea but because I am a black woman my vocalness about issues important to me make me a "royal bitch". elaine you typed that with the way that I speak on this board you would not be surprised if I was mistreated by police. You didn't say that it was warranted but I believe that was understood. If you believe I have a poor attitude but it still would be unfair for police to treat me unfairly you would have said that. You did not. I pointed about that many other white people (I did not say all like @papercraftadvocate read) have a similar views. People seem to think it only happens in Chicago or where communities are mostly black. They still deserve proper policing but we know that it doesn't just happen in those areas. Again a lot of people feel like you've expressed....That if only black people behaved differently (In my case I'm assuming less like a bitch) somehow the police would treat us differently. I disagree with you. Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling 2peas NSBR Special Education Parent Liaison Ohio State University Never apologized. Continued harassment. Search Engine Optimization |
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Post by Olan on Jun 6, 2017 23:23:34 GMT
Please prove to me anywhere where I have EVER said black people deserve disrespect or mistreatment? You will be searching a looong time sister, You don't even know me, have never seen a photo of me. Your assumptions are fucking laughable. Hmmm? You could start by showing me where I've accused you of saying black people deserve mistreatment? I did not. You should apologize for your misunderstanding and crude language. I'm addressing elaine and her comments. I wasn't even speaking to you. I'm not your sister. I've never claimed to know you and don't need to see a photo of you. What are you even talking about? You seem hell bent on reading into what I've said to someone else so right ahead. I will not try to stop you. I stand by what I've said and did not accuse a single pea of anything they didn't express in text that I then quoted. imsirius What are you trying to accomplish? I'm always puzzled by interactions like this. Its fucking text on a screen not he said she said. "And what a sad thing to be a black person in America and to know how much your ancestors have contributed to this country, only to have the majority of Americans prioritized the mistreatment of animals over the mistreatment of black bodies. This feeling is also common" Olan My response to elaine the one that imsirius wants to get all up in arms about. HA I have no doubt regarding the findings of the study. Which is incredibly depressing and wrong.
And, I would also add that one's interpersonal communication style also impacts how one is treated, regardless of race.
If the OP speaks to people IRL as she does here, I would not be surprised if she received less-than-polite responses/treatment in return.
"It would be a death wish to speak with disrespect to an officer as a black woman. I would venture to guess no one does this. With that sad fact aside your perception of me is guided in large part because I am a black woman. I'm no more or no less angry or surly than any other pea here. We also know that white criminals can behave any way they'd like and still receive better treatment than black criminals. Black people have been placated for a long time with this idea that if you are respectful and not a criminal you shouldn't have any problems interacting with police but then men in stalled cars and with licenses to carry are shot with no justice you realize that isn't the truth. I think a lot of white people are like elaine and believe that the mistreatment of black people is warranted and could be prevented if black people behaved differently." OlanIf I were not a black woman I'm fairly confident my cause would be conservation/animals. Unfortunately for me I can't concern myself with the mistreatment of animals because the future of my own child is uncertain. Also I did not make a comparison between humans and animals I responded to Mizindependent who said "I know what you mean. I wish people were more passionate about proper treatment of animals (dogs in particular), but that's just where I'm at personally." MizIndependent comment reads a certain way. I'm sure just as she intended it. |
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Post by chances on Jun 6, 2017 23:24:39 GMT
Yeah, I read that this morning. Definitely filed under ish black people have known forever. This is one of the reasons I have to get away from facebook sometimes, it's so overwhelming. This study wasn't even the worst I have encountered today.
Sometimes the overwhelm of pain, suffering, and indignity inflicted on people I know and love is hard to hear and deal with. At the same time, I'm glad to know I have a community that gets it. No teaching, no mind numbing race 101 bullshit. I hope you have something like that too.
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