Olan
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Post by Olan on Jun 7, 2017 18:46:56 GMT
A lot of peas think they have personal issues with me but from henceforth they will have no worries. Released ha! Not another acklowedgement from me. It's the same characters each time. And with the same damn tactics. It would be nice to have "allies" call out the foolishness but it's really no skin off my back. Olan, I'm an ally, I hear you, I validate your anger. I'm just not interested in getting in the middle of a pissing match between you and peas I know are also your allies. This is the kind of infighting among liberals that, if it continues, will cause Trump to win another term and continue to empower those with racist tendencies to act on them.
That's why you haven't seen me posting on this thread. For a more just country for everyone, we need to keep our eyes on the goal. Well I appreciate your explanation as to why you hadn't posted before now, it wasn't necessary. Also I should be allowed the autonomy to decide for myself who is an ally or an enemy. This WAS NOT a fight amongst liberals it was me Olan posting a study I found informative and Elaine commenting that with my posting history it wouldn't be a surprised if my interactions with police involved disrespect and mistreatment. I let her know (without the vitriol that she used to address me) that I felt her perception of me was in large part because I am an African American woman I also shared that her victim blaming tactics are common. We've seen that in almost every police shooting of black bodies haven't we. I stand by those words just as I stand by everything I type here...good or bad. As an ally its up to everyone to decide what behaviors they'd like call out *shurgs*. You can go back and read word for word what she said. If Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling’s comments bothered no one but me thats fine. I am perfectly capable of defending myself. Though I thought that was one of the most important roles of an ally. Calling out shit behaviors. Speaking up etc. X also has a pattern of odd behaviors that no one else seems to think is unfair to me. Yet there is never a time where even the most innocent of my comments are not twisted and handslapping and bandwagoning ensues. I am shown no grace. Ever. Elaine assumed a very clear comment was a personal attack on her and then tried to get everyone to believe she was right. When she kept insisting I insulted her I finally did. I stand by the comment her dress was ugly and no shoe would help because again I own my behaviors good or bad. Note you've taken the time to share with only me what you think my responsibility is in the 2020 elections. Was it fighting amongst liberals that got us into the predicament we find ourselves in now? |
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Post by Merge on Jun 7, 2017 21:42:35 GMT
Olan, I'm an ally, I hear you, I validate your anger. I'm just not interested in getting in the middle of a pissing match between you and peas I know are also your allies. This is the kind of infighting among liberals that, if it continues, will cause Trump to win another term and continue to empower those with racist tendencies to act on them.
That's why you haven't seen me posting on this thread. For a more just country for everyone, we need to keep our eyes on the goal. Well I appreciate your explanation as to why you hadn't posted before now, it wasn't necessary. Also I should be allowed the autonomy to decide for myself who is an ally or an enemy. This WAS NOT a fight amongst liberals it was me Olan posting a study I found informative and Elaine commenting that with my posting history it wouldn't be a surprised if my interactions with police involved disrespect and mistreatment. I let her know (without the vitriol that she used to address me) that I felt her perception of me was in large part because I am an African American woman I also shared that her victim blaming tactics are common. We've seen that in almost every police shooting of black bodies haven't we. I stand by those words just as I stand by everything I type here...good or bad. As an ally its up to everyone to decide what behaviors they'd like call out *shurgs*. You can go back and read word for word what she said. If Elaine's comments bothered no one but me thats fine. I am perfectly capable of defending myself. Though I thought that was one of the most important roles of an ally. Calling out shit behaviors. Speaking up etc. X also has a pattern of odd behaviors that no one else seems to think is unfair to me. Yet there is never a time where even the most innocent of my comments are not twisted and handslapping and bandwagoning ensues. I am shown no grace. Ever. Elaine assumed a very clear comment was a personal attack on her and then tried to get everyone to believe she was right. When she kept insisting I insulted her I finally did. I stand by the comment her dress was ugly and no shoe would help because again I own my behaviors good or bad. Note you've taken the time to share with only me what you think my responsibility is in the 2020 elections. Was it fighting amongst liberals that got us into the predicament we find ourselves in now? No, I shared with everyone involved, not just with you. My comments apply to everyone here who wants to see a change in 2020. That goes for you, Elaine, and everyone else involved in this ridiculous pissing match. I'm not trying to tell you what to think or what to do - like you, I have my own opinion and get to express it here. And I know that these ladies are typically among those who speak out for justice and tolerance when racial issues are discussed here. And yes, I do think that fighting amongst liberals helped to get us to this point. Many Sanders supporters sat out the election because they were butthurt their candidate wasn't the nominee. Many who had voted for Obama sat out the election because Clinton "didn't excite them" enough. And here we all are. |
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Post by likescarrots on Jun 7, 2017 23:45:23 GMT
Well I appreciate your explanation as to why you hadn't posted before now, it wasn't necessary. Also I should be allowed the autonomy to decide for myself who is an ally or an enemy. This WAS NOT a fight amongst liberals it was me Olan posting a study I found informative and Elaine commenting that with my posting history it wouldn't be a surprised if my interactions with police involved disrespect and mistreatment. I let her know (without the vitriol that she used to address me) that I felt her perception of me was in large part because I am an African American woman I also shared that her victim blaming tactics are common. We've seen that in almost every police shooting of black bodies haven't we. I stand by those words just as I stand by everything I type here...good or bad. As an ally its up to everyone to decide what behaviors they'd like call out *shurgs*. You can go back and read word for word what she said. If Elaine's comments bothered no one but me thats fine. I am perfectly capable of defending myself. Though I thought that was one of the most important roles of an ally. Calling out shit behaviors. Speaking up etc. X also has a pattern of odd behaviors that no one else seems to think is unfair to me. Yet there is never a time where even the most innocent of my comments are not twisted and handslapping and bandwagoning ensues. I am shown no grace. Ever. Elaine assumed a very clear comment was a personal attack on her and then tried to get everyone to believe she was right. When she kept insisting I insulted her I finally did. I stand by the comment her dress was ugly and no shoe would help because again I own my behaviors good or bad. Note you've taken the time to share with only me what you think my responsibility is in the 2020 elections. Was it fighting amongst liberals that got us into the predicament we find ourselves in now? No, I shared with everyone involved, not just with you. My comments apply to everyone here who wants to see a change in 2020. That goes for you, Elaine, and everyone else involved in this ridiculous pissing match. I'm not trying to tell you what to think or what to do - like you, I have my own opinion and get to express it here. And I know that these ladies are typically among those who speak out for justice and tolerance when racial issues are discussed here. And yes, I do think that fighting amongst liberals helped to get us to this point. Many Sanders supporters sat out the election because they were butthurt their candidate wasn't the nominee. Many who had voted for Obama sat out the election because Clinton "didn't excite them" enough. And here we all are. ...ya i guess i am butt hurt and didn't vote for Clinton. But it's not that my candidate didn't win the primary. Its that my generation is now growing up to be ptsd vets just like my dad and my late father in law. And their kids are going to have to live with that shit the way i did, and do still. Having to wonder if my dad is going to just up and leave, become homeless, and i will never see him again...or worse. Our maybe he'll die for from a disease he acquired at war like my father in law did. And it's Hillary Clinton’s self serving decisions that are partially responsible for that. You want to talk about dividing the left, keep acting condescending and treating people who didn't buy what you were selling like children instead of looking at what they were really saying. |
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Post by Merge on Jun 8, 2017 0:02:20 GMT
No, I shared with everyone involved, not just with you. My comments apply to everyone here who wants to see a change in 2020. That goes for you, Elaine, and everyone else involved in this ridiculous pissing match. I'm not trying to tell you what to think or what to do - like you, I have my own opinion and get to express it here. And I know that these ladies are typically among those who speak out for justice and tolerance when racial issues are discussed here. And yes, I do think that fighting amongst liberals helped to get us to this point. Many Sanders supporters sat out the election because they were butthurt their candidate wasn't the nominee. Many who had voted for Obama sat out the election because Clinton "didn't excite them" enough. And here we all are. ...ya i guess i am butt hurt and didn't vote for Clinton. But it's not that my candidate didn't win the primary. Its that my generation is now growing up to be ptsd vets just like my dad and my late father in law. And their kids are going to have to live with that shit the way i did, and do still. Having to wonder if my dad is going to just up and leave, become homeless, and i will never see him again...or worse. Our maybe he'll die for from a disease he acquired at war like my father in law did. And it's Hillary Clinton’s self serving decisions that are partially responsible for that. You want to talk about dividing the left, keep acting condescending and treating people who didn't buy what you were selling like children instead of looking at what they were really saying. Are you better off with Trump? I'm not being condescending; I'm simply stating fact. If we cannot unite behind a candidate in 2020, Trump will win another term. If that's what you want, by all means, hold on to your personal grievances. |
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