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Post by grammadee on Jun 6, 2017 19:52:38 GMT
When I googled the bg for Trump's latest twitter war--this one with the mayor of London, England--it seems that a year ago Mr. Khan called Mr. Trump "ignorant" of the Muslim faith and culture. Not sure of the exact quote.
Now I was taught by my Brit grandmother and her son, my Dad, that "ignorant" is not an insult: it is simply a statement that there may be information or parts of a situation of which you are not aware. It doesn't mean you are stupid, just that you need more info before you can make an informed decision.
Nowadays, it seems like the word's meaning has changed to RUDE. So if someone mouths off to me, I could say he was "being ignorant", which basically means "being a jerk" who knew better but chose not to act better.
What does the word "ignorant" mean where you live?
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Post by lesley on Jun 6, 2017 19:54:45 GMT
Both meanings are correct usage. I don't think it is a regional thing at all.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 6, 2017 19:55:30 GMT
I have never heard ignorant used to mean rude.
Ignorant means you do not know or understand something. It can be used as an insult to mean stupid.
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Post by pondrunner on Jun 6, 2017 19:59:07 GMT
Depends on how it is used.
It could be quite derogatory in the sense that you might say someone is ignorant meaning they are totally clueless and stupid about the world around them or some crucial part of it and doesn't care that they are clueless.
It could be a simple statement of fact in the sense that you might say someone is ignorant of the facts in a given matter but they are otherwise aware and decent person and not just a total numpty.
If I were to refer to an individual's statements as being ignorant, that could very well mean rude or otherwise uncalled for.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 6, 2017 19:59:11 GMT
Ignorant means you do not know something. I think it more and more is an insult that means you choose not to know something.
Like calling Trump ignorant of Muslim faith and culture implies that he chooses not to be educated.
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Post by Rhondito on Jun 6, 2017 19:59:47 GMT
Without knowledge. I've never known of it meaning rude.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 6, 2017 20:01:31 GMT
Ignorant means you do not know something. I think it more and more is an insult that means you choose not to know something.
Like calling Trump ignorant of Muslim faith and culture implies that he chooses not to be educated.
Maybe we have Dan Ackryod to blame for the way it is used today......Jane, you ignorant slut! comes to mind !
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Post by disneypal on Jun 6, 2017 20:04:26 GMT
Without knowledge. I've never known of it meaning rude. Save
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Post by gillyp on Jun 6, 2017 20:04:38 GMT
I have only ever used it in the context of someone lacking in knowledge but it is commonly used here to mean someone is rude.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 6, 2017 20:04:41 GMT
Ignorant = uneducated.
Ignorant with attitude = willfully stupid.
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Post by scorpeao on Jun 6, 2017 20:04:41 GMT
to me it means uneducated. If someone used it to convey that someone was being rude, I'd think they really didn't know what ignorant meant.
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Post by melanell on Jun 6, 2017 20:06:22 GMT
It can mean either of those things depending on context--at least around here. I have always heard (and even read) it used both ways. And after reading this thread it appears that yes, it is regional after all. ETA: Found this that explains how it can be used as an insult, but it still doesn't really indicate how it came to be used to mean "rude". "The Polite and Not-So-Polite Uses of ignorant Ignorant shares a root with the word ignore, one of those etymological connections which appear obvious once they are pointed out, yet remained overlooked by most. Both words come from the Latin ignorare (“to ignore, be ignorant of”). There are several meanings of ignorant, all of which are concerned with a lack of knowledge in some sense; some of these are more insulting than others, and care should be exercised before applying this word to people who you do not wish to offend. Saying “They were ignorant of most of the laws of physics” means that the people in question did not have a specific body of learning. Saying “You are an ignorant person” is possibly describing someone as primitive, crude, or uncivilized." SaveSave
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Post by katiejane on Jun 6, 2017 20:17:22 GMT
Primary the first meaning.
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Post by melanell on Jun 6, 2017 20:23:05 GMT
to me it means uneducated. If someone used it to convey that someone was being rude, I'd think they really didn't know what ignorant meant. To me, it is reminiscent of the word "hysterical". People sometimes use that word in place of "hilarious", not because they think "hysterical" is a synonym of "hilarious", but because of changes in spoken casual language. But I wouldn't assume that they were ignorant  of the true definition of the word "hysterical".  A common phrase "He/she was laughing hysterically" means that you were laughing to a point that it was unmanageable or uncontrolled, and I am sure that's how the word "hysterical" slowly became a casual (or slang) way of saying something was very funny. I think the difference is always in how wide spread the usage of the term is. I'm guessing the secondary meaning of "ignorant" is less common than the secondary usage of "hysterical", because when I checked the dictionary for "hysterical" to see if they mention the secondary meaning for that word, they do indeed list it as an informal meaning. However, they did not mention the secondary meaning for "ignorant". Save
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Post by kernriver on Jun 6, 2017 20:23:12 GMT
Its an insult, but in Trump's case its being used correctly.
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Post by dulcemama on Jun 6, 2017 20:28:54 GMT
Ignorant = uneducated. Ignorant with attitude = willfully stupid. This.
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Post by milocat on Jun 6, 2017 20:28:55 GMT
It means both uneducated and rude. Always meant both to me.
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Post by joteves on Jun 6, 2017 20:54:28 GMT
I don't see it as an insult, necessarily. It means you do not know something. But it is often seen as an insult because it can be taken to mean stupid.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 6, 2017 20:59:03 GMT
Both meanings are correct usage. I don't think it is a regional thing at all.  I typically will clarify which meaning I'm using, when I use the word. But I do use it in both senses.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 6, 2017 21:19:10 GMT
I've never know it to mean rude. That meaning doesn't make sense to me.
Ignorant to me means someone who isn't educated about something. In this case it's being used simply as a fact, not a put down. I'm ignorant regarding wines because I haven't studied them.
It can also be used as a put down depending on the tone used when you say someone is "completely ignorant" meaning he is stupid and hasn't got a clue about anything.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 6, 2017 21:22:36 GMT
ignorant (in that certain tone of voice) = stupid, yeah... not rude. I've never used it to mean rude, or heard it used to mean that.
Although I could see it as willfully being ignorant, maybe- meaning, to ignore things you DO know, like manners- which would support your meaning. .
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Post by Linda on Jun 6, 2017 21:25:55 GMT
ignorant means unaware/uneducated - it isn't an insult per se but most people consider it to be one. I think when one uses it about a person directly (he's ignorant, he's an ignorant arse...) then it's intended to be insulting. When modified - he's ignorant of the facts in this situation or he's ignorant about Islam - then it's more a statement of fact than a judgement.
That said, if you are ignorant about something and it's been pointed out to you or you are aware of it and you chose to continue to stay ignorant....especially if you're a public figure talking about the something in question, then...it's hardly surprising if people chose to use the word as an insult about you
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jun 6, 2017 21:31:39 GMT
Wow. I grew up in a military household with family in W. PA. (US) In our family, ignorant meant you were not the subject matter expert, due to lack of exposure or the choice to remain less informed. I am ignorant of most video games.
When I was a teen, we moved back to W. PA, and I don't recall the word ignorant being used as written above. It was used as an insult. Rude is a great way to describe the tone. In fact, if Roseanne Bar had been from my hometown on her show(this also sets the timeframe, late 80's early 90's) and had a disagreement with someone about anything other knowledge, she'd have used her high pitched sneering tone and called them ignorant. Perhaps they knowingly cut her in line, or cancelled plans.
I left that area when I was 19, and haven't heard it used as "rude" since (unless I'm talking with relatives lol)
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Post by hop2 on Jun 6, 2017 21:31:51 GMT
Well it is sort of rude to call someone ignorant ( I've done it and was called out on it here )
But it means that someone is lacking in knowledge of a certain subject- but today it sort of means willfully lacking in knowledge on a specific subject. I don't know if it's because of the availability of information that has changed the meaning or not.
If someone lacks certain knowledge but not willfully so they are more likely to be called sheltered or naive.
People frequently call racists ignorant and that is wrong. Racists know people are all people but they just refuse to acknowledge it.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 6, 2017 22:19:51 GMT
Saying “You are an ignorant person” is possibly describing someone as primitive, crude, or uncivilized." I find it quite heard to believe that people call Trump ignorant as anything but a condescending synonym for stupid, dull, low cognitive ability. Almost exclusively in recent years I have seen ignorant used in this way. Just one more insult that has become more acceptable as time has gone on. In my youth, such a person would have been called retarded in the same condescending way. Since that is no longer socially acceptable - and rightly so - ignorant is used as a more acceptable substitute.
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Post by scrappington on Jun 6, 2017 22:29:28 GMT
I've always taken it to mean "you don't know any better" and arrogant is you know better
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 6, 2017 22:55:04 GMT
He was ignorant of ... would not be rude.
Here it becomes rude when you add to it...ignorant asshole
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Post by IAmUnoriginal on Jun 6, 2017 23:04:38 GMT
Ignorant -- unaware/uneducated about a topic. Not an insult, just an observation of a lack of knowledge about some particular topic.
I think people start getting insulted about the word because the only time you really use ignorant is when someone is spouting off about a topic like they know what they are talking but really don't. So, people get butt hurt for their lack of knowledge being pointed out and equate that with an insult. It's not an insult. But, it does shine a light on a shortcoming. Egos don't like that.
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Post by grammadee on Jun 6, 2017 23:23:09 GMT
I guess I was just wondering if the mayor of London meant "ignorant" as "not having enough information" about Muslims. Studies show that prejudice against specific groups goes WAY down when the prejudiced people become familiar with people in the ostracized group. When they open themselves up to the real people in that group, they learn that many of the behaviors they thought were evil or wrong or weird or frightening are really rational behaviors given a different context. I don't know what Mr. Khan meant. But maybe he was simply suggesting that Mr. Trump become more familiar with the situations involved before taking action or speaking derogatorily about the group as a whole. And then, I was wondering if Mr. Trump heard the word "ignorant", he interpreted it as an insult, calling him stupid or stubborn or rude or all of the above. So he felt attacked. That explanation might have worked if Brits only meant "doesn't know" and Yanks only meant "rude" or "stupid". I can't help being a Canadian who often finds myself translating from Brit to Yank and visa versa... 
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 23:30:26 GMT
There's two definitions of ignorant, one is a lack of knowledge of the subject and the other is an accusation of being rude.
Sadiq Khan saying that Trump was ignorant of Islam means that he has a lack of knowledge about the religion.
what he actually said was :
"Donald Trump's ignorant view of Islam could make both of our countries less safe - it risks alienating mainstream Muslims around the world and plays into the hands of extremists.
"Donald Trump and those around him think that Western liberal values are incompatible with mainstream Islam - London has proved him wrong."
meaning his " view" of Islam is limited i.e. not fully understanding the beliefs of the religion.
If he was being rude he would have said Trump is just ignorant ( without adding" of Islam") which changes the whole meaning of the statement.
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