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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 20:49:51 GMT
It's an interesting problem and I believe there are many who abuse the system. Maybe people are earning cash plus taking the money. How would you propose, if you were a lawmaker, dealing with this? IRS lifestyle audits. Is there such a thing? I would love it if they randomly did that.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jun 10, 2017 0:52:15 GMT
I've read the whole thread. I guess for me the bottom line is that *I* feel as though their is still very much the perception that if you are 'poor' you are less than.
I see it every day. I work in a field that is made up of primarily low to no income persons. The struggles they have are very real.
But on a more personal level. I work for the state in a very low paying job. I am lucky in a lot ways-I have no debt and no one but myself and a couple of cats to tend to. I get by. Not very prettily, but I have a roof over my head, food to eat, and a pretty amazing family and life so I can't complain. Daily though I run into people who judge me and who/what I am based simply on what I drive. I made the decision to not take on any more debt for now and bought for cash ($100!) an almost 20 year old little truck. It is cute as a button to me, but she sure isn't stylish or modern in a world where cars are supposed to be shiny and full of bells and whistles. I see the looks that some people shoot my way and they are not very nice. My little car is kind of pokey and a manual transmission and I don't shoot off the mark at stop lights and boy do people get impatient. I see how people look at me. Most times I don't care, but sometimes it really hurts my feelings. I figured I made a GOOD choice to not take on debt and people look at me like I don't matter.
People don't know me. But they sure that think that they have the right to judge me based purely what they see. That sure doesn't very nice to me.
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RosieKat
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Jun 25, 2014 19:28:04 GMT
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Post by RosieKat on Jun 10, 2017 17:11:36 GMT
I have long thought that fruit and vegetables should be priced lower for those who are paying with food stamps or EBT cards. Incentivize healthy choices. They've actually tested a program in a few areas like this, and they did show an increase in fruit/veg consumption. I believe they're considering expanding this program. Anyone who thinks that the people abusing welfare and getting their nails done every other week and having the latest phones are in the majority ought to go on a "truck run" with a group I work with. We take simple food (sandwiches, oranges, etc.) and drinks, used clothing, toiletries, etc. The absolute delight when we happen to have toilet paper on the truck just blows my mind. So yes, there are some who abuse the system. But most people are just damn happy to be able to get some toilet paper.
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twinsmomfla99
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Jun 26, 2014 13:42:47 GMT
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jun 10, 2017 17:17:04 GMT
I've read the whole thread. I guess for me the bottom line is that *I* feel as though their is still very much the perception that if you are 'poor' you are less than. I see it every day. I work in a field that is made up of primarily low to no income persons. The struggles they have are very real. But on a more personal level. I work for the state in a very low paying job. I am lucky in a lot ways-I have no debt and no one but myself and a couple of cats to tend to. I get by. Not very prettily, but I have a roof over my head, food to eat, and a pretty amazing family and life so I can't complain. Daily though I run into people who judge me and who/what I am based simply on what I drive. I made the decision to not take on any more debt for now and bought for cash ($100!) an almost 20 year old little truck. It is cute as a button to me, but she sure isn't stylish or modern in a world where cars are supposed to be shiny and full of bells and whistles. I see the looks that some people shoot my way and they are not very nice. My little car is kind of pokey and a manual transmission and I don't shoot off the mark at stop lights and boy do people get impatient. I see how people look at me. Most times I don't care, but sometimes it really hurts my feelings. I figured I made a GOOD choice to not take on debt and people look at me like I don't matter. People don't know me. But they sure that think that they have the right to judge me based purely what they see. That sure doesn't very nice to me. It makes me sad that you feel that way.  Just continue to feel good about your choices for your family's financial health. And I am sure your truck is adorable!
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jun 10, 2017 19:31:06 GMT
Okay, so you are saying that they may actually be working hard, at undesirable jobs like landscaping (I.e., mowing lawns and mulching in the heat), or painting, etc., rather than being lazy, sitting on their asses, eating bonbons, and expecting something for nothing? Being poor takes a lot of work. Whether you're on government assistance or not. Being on assistance takes time and effort to make sure you're up with all the paperwork necessary to keep getting benefits and getting them on time. If not, you have to put effort and focus into following your budget very very carefully because one bounced check and you're absolutely fucked. And there are never enough benefits or paychecks to cover everything so you constantly have rob Peter to pay Paul and that is very mentally stressful and exhausting. If you can, you figure out a hustle. Or two, or three. There was a time when I worked two steady part time retail jobs (one early, one late), taught arts and crafts one night a week, always had a paid sewing project or mending/alterations going on, took occasional one shift jobs like doing inventory or setup/tear down of events, bought vintage items cheap at thrift shops and sold them at a markup on Ebay, made bead jewelry to sell through a friend who was on the craft fair circuit, and once every couple of months vended at craft fairs myself. Hustle, hustle, hustle. Some people babysit, sew, mow lawns, do handyman work, manual labor for cash payment, hair or nails out of their home, or whatever else they can do to earn money or barter with. Every week on my local Facebook buy/sell page there are at least a few people offering to do any kind of task for cash. Some are cooking out of their homes. Sometimes using food stamps to buy ingredients to turn around and sell finished food for a profit. So they can get a few dollars ahead. I have a disabled acquaintance in her early 60s who sells newspapers outside of supermarkets and I know she isn't reporting that income against her benefits. And then there's housing and transportation. If you don't have a car, your ass walks. At least to the bus/subway stop and back. Cheap housing is never where anybody wants to live, so it's always an inconvenient commute to where everybody wants to be. If you're using a health clinic, you probably don't get to pick your appointment time. I have sat at the Medicare/Medicaid hospital with friends for hours and hours while they waited to see a doctor. My college boyfriend was told to be there by 8:30. They saw him at 3. He almost lost his job over having to call in and flake on his afternoon shift, but he needed the medical care. It's exhausting dealing with the bullshit, the crowds, and the general atmosphere of stress. Mentally and physically and spiritually exhausting. Maybe you want to work, but you can only work a certain number of hours without going over your income limit. A lot of times the employers want to work you a little bit more than the cutoff, but much less than a living income. You want to get ahead but you can't get on your feet. The college boyfriend I mentioned earlier is stuck in that boat. He wants to work, his disability and other benefits isn't enough to lead a great quality of life. He finds a job he can physically manage and they initially agree to his income limitations. But then there is always somebody who flakes on a shift, or it starts to be a busy season, and they need him to work longer. But he can't because those extra hours are too much to keep his benefits but nowhere near enough to pay his bills and it'll get reported to the government. So he quits or gets fired for not coming in and jeopardizing his housing, food, and healthcare. But he found a hustle and sells items he makes at home. And doesn't report a penny of it. And good for him. Because that means he can see a movie every once in a while, eat at a restaurant, buy some books or a DVD, go to a social event or festival, and maybe buy a pair of shoes from Payless instead of Goodwill. When you're broke, you feel like there is some kind of monster or animal chasing you and you're only a few steps ahead of it. Seriously, that is what it feels like. I don't know a single poor person, on government benefits or otherwise, who feels relaxed and content while they live it up with their meager means. Life may not suck 24/7 for them, but it isn't a leisurely carefree lifestyle. The trivial luxuries some poor people indulge in cannot begin to compare to the stress, hassle, and all around bullshit that comes with making do on a low or supplemental income. Thank you. That was a very well said, and accurate post.
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suzastampin
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Jun 28, 2014 14:32:59 GMT
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Post by suzastampin on Jun 13, 2017 15:01:37 GMT
Our local news did a story last night about the SNAP program and how little the families/person gets each month. I thought of this thread as soon as I heard the report. Did you know the average SNAP payment a month is $126 a month? That works out to $1.40 per meal or $21 a week. Here's a link to the full story. SNAPThat $2.25 a month savings won't even pay for 2 meals. Sad that some begrudge those less fortunate such a small savings.
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