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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 0:50:39 GMT
The hypocrisy is in full-bloom with this gal. And she calls it being "Moma bear" but mean would be more accurate. Some SG member actually brought this up the bullying nature of the thread that ensued on the thread but Tracie Claiborne was having none of it. You either give her your undivided support or she sees you as a threat. Her non-scrapbooker sister even showed up to throw a few jabs too.
She constantly reminds everyone "I have spent three years building this group" blah blah blah. What an ingrate. Without members and listeners, she would be getting a real job. You get paid by class sales and cruise sales and advertisers to Scrapbook occasionally and moderate a Facebook group and talk. Do your damn job and be grateful or shut up. As if she would ever walk away.
Way to turn the other cheek there, miss thang.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 6:59:35 GMT
What are FB rules about this? I don't do FB. I thought they had strict cyber bullying rules. There is a screenshot and Traci receives compensation for promoting things in the scrapbook industry. I think she can get into some serious legal trouble over this. She can get into trouble with her ISP provider too. Does this poor woman even know that she has been cyber shamed? Is there anybody that could tell her? I know this will come off as rhetorical. Why does Traci not realize she is a business? She is receiving monetary compensation. She is a figure in the scrapbook industry. Discussions about her on the scrapbooking forums and media sites are because she is a paid figure in the industry and we want to know about her behavior so we can make the correct decisions if we want to support the companies she represents, give her money for her podcasts, etc.... She is using her "business" in a way she could get into some serious legal trouble. Does she not think about this? Like, I said rhetorical. I hope I am making sense. Forgive me everyone I helped a friend cover E3 this weekend with a lot of tech difficulty. I am a little bit more rambling that usual due to fatigue.
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Post by dasmith2 on Jun 16, 2017 7:43:19 GMT
Hmm... any Tracie thread is not the place to be all "live and let live". We're here for the snark. Just a little bubble of NSBR in the General Scrapbooking pondq. Too funny!! We're here for the snark! Need that on a shirt ha haaaa
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Post by QueSeraSera on Jun 16, 2017 8:39:36 GMT
Glad to see Tracie Claiborne living up to those loving and accepting Christian values and the Southern gentility so prattles on endlessly about. Oh wait. In reality she publically shamed and mocked another woman BEHIND HER BACK without even affording her the courtesy of defending herself. Kind of like she did to this entire message board of people. Talking about people not present to give their version of events seems to be a common thread with Tracie Claiborne. Classy.
What an outstandingly embarrassing example of a genteel Southern Christian. Jennifer Schow and Tiffany Lowder should run fast and run far away from this toxic, spiteful "lady". If she'll do it with ya, she'll do it to ya.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Jun 16, 2017 8:44:56 GMT
Hmm... any Tracie thread is not the place to be all "live and let live". We're here for the snark. Just a little bubble of NSBR in the General Scrapbooking pond. I agree. To be fair to ourselves, though, I have to point out that 99% of us don't invent stuff to snark about; we don't do epic thread snark for an honest mistake, a momentary lapse or even (correct me if I am wrong) a one off bone headed comment. We save our snarky stuff for the entitled and the serial offenders.
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Post by PaperAngel on Jun 16, 2017 9:03:32 GMT
As usual, her "stream of consciousness" posts are defensive, condescending, hypocritical, & unprofessional. While her goal is to scold/ban/make an example of a customer whose question she interprets as a personal attack, the result is yet another reminder of her narcissism & lack of business acumen.
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Post by dulcemama on Jun 16, 2017 11:38:21 GMT
Does anyone else think that Tracie is trying to create a 2Peas type atmosphere with encouraging the conversation of personal issues?
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Post by myboysnme on Jun 16, 2017 11:44:03 GMT
Does anyone else think that Tracie is trying to create a 2Peas type atmosphere with encouraging the conversation of personal issues? I had not thought of that. I was of a mindset that she is trying to keep everyone exclusive to her and keep anyone from venturing elsewhere. Who can resist a board that is all sunshine and flowers? Well, I can, but my guess is that most of her followers love feeling the positive vibe of her persona.
I have not recalled a scrap personality (I cannot think of her as a true celeb) that engenders such animus in a very long time. That makes me think she has a personality disorder. I don't know which one but I'm running along the lines of narcissistic. There has to be something just truly off about her that so many people have such a visceral response to her.
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Post by scrapaddie on Jun 16, 2017 12:18:27 GMT
Hmmm... Can't read it on my iPad. Too small and when I enlarge, too blurry. I am missing out!!
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Post by mom on Jun 16, 2017 12:30:44 GMT
Too funny!! We're here for the snark! Need that on a shirt ha haaaa or atleast a button for our siggy! SaveSave
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Post by jennyap on Jun 16, 2017 12:47:01 GMT
@mommatone, when you say "allowed" do you mean she tells people in her fb group not to come here? I'm wondering about that too. Can you explain this momma2one ? Professional people would have addressed the situation by deleting the person and then making a post reminder that everyone needs to be kind. (I'm not saying I agree with the deleting, as I don't; just making a generic business statement.) Cyber-bullies repost the person's post including their name and picture to fuel the flames. Cyber-shaming then repeats the information to make sure other people jump on the bullying bandwagon. Narcissists then relate it all back to how above it all they are, how much worse they've had it, and how much of a better person they are than the named person (and name them again). Yeah that. Side note - I'm fairly certain that the other person involved in the screenshot conversation (and who brought up bullying) is a former Pea. Not sure if she ever made it to the new site, but still, go Peas!! It still makes no sense though ... what a freakin' overreaction to ban her and try to publicly shame her! Overreaction (along with over-explanation) seems to be Tracie's stock-in-trade. Does anyone else think that Tracie is trying to create a 2Peas type atmosphere with encouraging the conversation of personal issues? I dunno. She can try but it will never work as long as she controls it so closely. Hmmm... Can't read it on my iPad. Too small and when I enlarge, too blurry. I am missing out!! Click on the images to see them full size. Can't have you missing out
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Post by peachiceteas on Jun 16, 2017 12:54:37 GMT
Hmmm... Can't read it on my iPad. Too small and when I enlarge, too blurry. I am missing out!! Click on the images they will come up bigger
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Post by scrappyem on Jun 16, 2017 15:55:05 GMT
This really turned me off when I saw it in the group. The public shaming while patting herself on the back shows how unsophisticated & unprofessional she really is (and also why I sincerely doubt she will ever reach the level of an Ali or Becky in the scrapbooking world). I had previously considered going to one of the retreats but this is exactly why I don't go to my local LSS crops. The women can be just nasty all while proclaiming how Christian they are. It's gross. I'd like to hope she would learn from this experience but her tendency to proclaim how right she is all the time makes me doubt it. I won't be supporting her in the future which is too bad. I had enjoyed listening to the show.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 16:03:08 GMT
Does anyone else think that Tracie is trying to create a 2Peas type atmosphere with encouraging the conversation of personal issues? I had not thought of that. I was of a mindset that she is trying to keep everyone exclusive to her and keep anyone from venturing elsewhere. Who can resist a board that is all sunshine and flowers? Well, I can, but my guess is that most of her followers love feeling the positive vibe of her persona.
I have not recalled a scrap personality (I cannot think of her as a true celeb) that engenders such animus in a very long time. That makes me think she has a personality disorder. I don't know which one but I'm running along the lines of narcissistic. There has to be something just truly off about her that so many people have such a visceral response to her.
What the "offender" actually wrote really doesn't rise to the level of bullying. It was basically just this--"Why do we need to read this? We are scrapbookers, not bartenders or hairdressers." Very short. No follow up. Not a personal attack. Hannah has said she doesn't even care not feel attacked by it. Overreaction times 100!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 16:07:13 GMT
Really disappointed that Jen Schow continues to hitch her wagon to Tracie. I see a cruise w/Jen & Tracie is set for Feb 2018.
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Post by christinec68 on Jun 16, 2017 16:21:23 GMT
Do you think the people who collaborate with Tracie are seeing this and wishing they could or will plan to back away at some point? Friends are one thing, but business is business. I'm sure I am not the only person who won't purchase Jen Schow's ready sketch go classes because Tracie is a part of it.
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Post by myboysnme on Jun 16, 2017 16:23:28 GMT
Do you think the people who collaborate with Tracie are seeing this and wishing they could or will plan to back away at some point? Friends are one thing, but business is business. I'm sure I am not the only person who won't purchase Jen Schow's ready sketch go classes because Tracie is a part of it. I'm wondering the same thing. Does Jen know that Tracie has a negative rep? Maybe Jen and Tiffany can team up and ditch Tracie.
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Post by christinec68 on Jun 16, 2017 16:26:26 GMT
Do you think the people who collaborate with Tracie are seeing this and wishing they could or will plan to back away at some point? Friends are one thing, but business is business. I'm sure I am not the only person who won't purchase Jen Schow's ready sketch go classes because Tracie is a part of it. I'm wondering the same thing. Does Jen know that Tracie has a negative rep? Maybe Jen and Tiffany can team up and ditch Tracie. I don't know. I would think just being a witness to her nonsense would make them cringe. And now people are publicly commenting on and questioning the collaborations.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 16:32:52 GMT
Really disappointed that Jen Schow continues to hitch her wagon to Tracie. I see a cruise w/Jen & Tracie is set for Feb 2018. They have a contract with the sponsor. It's not like Jen can just back out. She invited Tracie to be her partner on the first one (last year) when her other partner had a family emergency. Tracie Claiborne said recently that she has decided to only produce one class a year going forward--that being ready sketch go. I'm guessing retreats and advertising is more profitable/less work/more fun.
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Post by christinec68 on Jun 16, 2017 16:42:02 GMT
Really disappointed that Jen Schow continues to hitch her wagon to Tracie. I see a cruise w/Jen & Tracie is set for Feb 2018. They have a contract with the sponsor. It's not like Jen can just back out. She invited Tracie to be her partner on the first one (last year) when her other partner had a family emergency.Tracie Claiborne said recently that she has decided to only produce one class a year going forward--that being ready sketch go. I'm guessing retreats and advertising is more profitable/less work/more fun. I didn't realize this was how the cruise thing came about. Thanks for explaining. I knew she was going full on with the retreats - it seems the SLC one was a huge success.
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Post by myboysnme on Jun 16, 2017 17:03:51 GMT
I'm wondering the same thing. Does Jen know that Tracie has a negative rep? Maybe Jen and Tiffany can team up and ditch Tracie. I don't know. I would think just being a witness to her nonsense would make them cringe. And now people are publicly commenting on and questioning the collaborations. Do you mean here or elsewhere? Has this issue come up in other forums?
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Post by christinec68 on Jun 16, 2017 17:08:26 GMT
I don't know. I would think just being a witness to her nonsense would make them cringe. And now people are publicly commenting on and questioning the collaborations. Do you mean here or elsewhere? Has this issue come up in other forums? Just here. I've had these conversations with my friends privately but here it's out in the open.
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Post by scrappyem on Jun 16, 2017 17:37:01 GMT
I can't see Tiffany ditching her but Jen might start distancing herself after she fulfills her contractual obligations but who knows. Jen seems like a very nice person. I hope at least one of them told her what she did was inappropriate and damaging to the Scrapgals brand.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 18:03:13 GMT
They have a contract with the sponsor. It's not like Jen can just back out. She invited Tracie to be her partner on the first one (last year) when her other partner had a family emergency.Tracie Claiborne said recently that she has decided to only produce one class a year going forward--that being ready sketch go. I'm guessing retreats and advertising is more profitable/less work/more fun. I didn't realize this was how the cruise thing came about. Thanks for explaining. I knew she was going full on with the retreats - it seems the SLC one was a huge success. But if the salt lake retreat wasn't a huge success, where would any unhappy attendees share their frustrations?
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Post by cannmom on Jun 16, 2017 18:11:42 GMT
Do you think the people who collaborate with Tracie are seeing this and wishing they could or will plan to back away at some point? Friends are one thing, but business is business. I'm sure I am not the only person who won't purchase Jen Schow's ready sketch go classes because Tracie is a part of it. The classes look good, but I won't buy because of Tracie.
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Post by christinec68 on Jun 16, 2017 18:14:26 GMT
@stamptastic Right here... 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/6083/crop-horror-funny-storiesBut I get what you're saying. Last year, I went to the Bella Blvd She Loves Color event and while there were many great things about it and I had a good time there were so many things that really frustrated me. I gave them my honest feedback in the survey after the event but I didn't feel compelled to blast that info all over social media even though I probably wouldn't go again. But overall it was a good event and things that bothered me may not bother someone else.
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Post by jennyap on Jun 16, 2017 19:23:23 GMT
Do you think the people who collaborate with Tracie are seeing this and wishing they could or will plan to back away at some point? Friends are one thing, but business is business. I'm sure I am not the only person who won't purchase Jen Schow's ready sketch go classes because Tracie is a part of it. I'd guess yes.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jun 16, 2017 20:04:57 GMT
Do you think the people who collaborate with Tracie are seeing this and wishing they could or will plan to back away at some point? Friends are one thing, but business is business. I'm sure I am not the only person who won't purchase Jen Schow's ready sketch go classes because Tracie is a part of it. There are people still dumb enough to partner with SC...as long as there are people stupid enough to spend their money with those types of businesses to keep them afloat, they will continue to be around. I'm thinking that Tracie doesn't have quite the reach that SC has and SC did a great job building their GOOD reputation because they threw it down the toilet. Tracie is still relatively new to the whole 'professional scrapbooker' scene, so I'm sure that her not having a glowing reputation industry wide at the start isn't going to do her favors. Then again, I think the things we say (while harsh, are true) help perpetuate her being a 'good person' to the type of person who has to become obsessively vested in everything they support and the more we call her out, the harder they'll cling to her...for a while, anyway. I fear she'll have to personally attack each one of those types (there appear to be a lot of OTT fangirls in the scrappy world...maybe it's it's a trend thing, I don't know) for them to see the light. When you feel emotionally vested in someone/something to that degree, you'll find excuses for everything they do that is distasteful as being an exception rather than that being who they are at their core. It's the way of the world politically (so black and white these days), so why not elsewhere? And at the core of it, who wants to eat crow and admit someone they've been harshly defending is really not the good person they've proclaimed them to be?
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Post by scrapaddie on Jun 17, 2017 0:05:50 GMT
Hmmm... Can't read it on my iPad. Too small and when I enlarge, too blurry. I am missing out!! Click on the images they will come up bigger Thanks. I will try that
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Post by meridon on Jun 17, 2017 1:05:29 GMT
Do you think the people who collaborate with Tracie are seeing this and wishing they could or will plan to back away at some point? Friends are one thing, but business is business. I'm sure I am not the only person who won't purchase Jen Schow's ready sketch go classes because Tracie is a part of it. I'm wondering the same thing. Does Jen know that Tracie has a negative rep? Maybe Jen and Tiffany can team up and ditch Tracie. Oh yes, please! I've always thought I'd get along much better with Tiffany than Tracie IRL. And Jen seems genuinely sweet---when she and Tracie "became friends", my first reaction was that Tracie was just using her to grow her own following.
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