stittsygirl
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Post by stittsygirl on Jun 19, 2017 3:20:20 GMT
All I know is my cholesterol and triglycerides are always in the healthy ranges on my low carb/high protein way of eating. My blood pressure is low as well (except when I'm sitting in the dentist chair ). My face is clear, I have regular periods (so suck it PCOS), and I'm right in the middle of my ideal BMI range, so whatever I'm doing is right for me, studies be damned .
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Post by Nanner on Jun 19, 2017 3:57:21 GMT
I lost 87 pounds last year on Ideal Protein. It's very restrictive, but that's what I need. It's low carb, and you are not permitted dairy (other than 1 ounce of milk per day if you wish), no fruit, no grains. At all. It's the Ideal Protein packages, lean protein and certain vegetables. It took me 8 months to lose the 87 pounds. They have a good phase off and maintenance plan. You do re-introduce dairy, grains and more carbs, in moderation, if you wish. But healthy grains - not whites. It's not inexpensive, though, and you can't cheat. But it does work.
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Post by elaine on Jun 19, 2017 3:59:08 GMT
False. This has recently been shown to be incorrect. The old food pyramid with its base in carbs was flat out unhealthy. Sugar/carbs makes us fat, not fat. Also, same with cholesterol. Blood cholesterol is not as much a result of dietary cholesterol as it is genes. I hate the "everything in moderation" line of thought. I want that to be the case but no my body does not work like that. Good for you if your body does. It also doesn't work for me to sub "healthier options" like a sweet potato for white potato or brown rice for white or some healthy new pasta for regular. It's all about sugar. Those "healthier" versions all have be same amount of sugar as their counterparts. No, I'm sorry you're misinformed. Carbs can be healthy if they are the correct carbs. The old thinking that blood cholesterol is not as much a result of dietary cholesterol as it is genes is completely false. It is absolutely tied to diet. What makes us fat is eating animal products and processed food which also leads to heart disease, diabetes, high cholesterol, high blood pressure and obesity. What we call the Standard American Diet. BTW, you know who decides what to put on those food pyramid charts? The dairy council, the beef association and all of those guys who have a stake financially in what you eat-so we can't listen to them-they aren't telling us the truth anyway! Back to carbs-Carbs keep us satiated. Protein does but Americans eat more than double the amount of protein per day than they need and that creates problems in the body. Good carbs are made from whole foods. Whole grains, whole vegetables and fruits. As far as pasta goes look for ones that aren't white, but have the word "whole" in front of it "whole wheat" pasta is what I eat. I prefer it now over white pasta-which to me tastes like air. The healthiest diet for anyone is a whole foods, plant based diet. You will lose weight and be able to keep it off and that's the key. It's sustainable. How many diets can say that and prove it? Of all the diets out there if 100 people lose weight on one 98% gain the weight back and then some. That's not the case with a whole foods plant based diet if it is followed correctly. Studies have show that. Plus-you get the health benefits. Blood pressure goes down. Cholesterol goes down. You chance of getting breast cancer reduces. You chance of other cancers reduces. Not to mention you chance of heart disease drops dramatically. That was what attracted me. I was sick of being overweight. I've seen people with diabetes go on this and do so well they reversed their diabetes. Now I'm not blaming you (obviously) or anyone for being misinformed. Doctors don't know this information and they are doing their best (Big Pharma and Big Ag) to keep it quiet. Big Pharma doesn't want people to get healthy because then all of their cholesterol drugs and blood pressure drugs etc. won't be getting bought anymore=less profit for them. Big Ag obviously doesn't want it getting out because it means people will stop eating meat. I like to help people, especially people I like-like the Peas. So I talk about this when folks are asking for advice on losing weight. It worked for me-I lost 61 pounds and have kept it off for almost 2 years after hitting my goal weight of 125 lbs. If you haven't watched it yet watch "Forks over Knives" on Netflix. There is a new one called, "What the Health" that talks about a WFPB diet and these diseases I mentioned. I think that it some ways you are also biased, just in the other direction. You may want to read The Obesity Code which covers a wide wealth of peer reviewed research. Science does not support that animal products are universally bad for us. Human beings are omnivores and always have been. You may find The Obesity Code a good read and we have a long ongoing discussion about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 4:18:45 GMT
SabrinaP My carb cutting tip: search out forums for keto, low carb high fat, paleo, and atkins. Even if you don't follow any of those diets you'll find tons of recipes for low carb alternatives to your can't-live-without-carb items. I also find far more creative ways to fix vegetables that doesn't include a high carb dressing.
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Post by SallyPA on Jun 19, 2017 4:34:13 GMT
False. This has recently been shown to be incorrect. The old food pyramid with its base in carbs was flat out unhealthy. Sugar/carbs makes us fat, not fat. Also, same with cholesterol. Blood cholesterol is not as much a result of dietary cholesterol as it is genes. I hate the "everything in moderation" line of thought. I want that to be the case but no my body does not work like that. Good for you if your body does. It also doesn't work for me to sub "healthier options" like a sweet potato for white potato or brown rice for white or some healthy new pasta for regular. It's all about sugar. Those "healthier" versions all have be same amount of sugar as their counterparts. No, I'm sorry you're misinformed. Carbs can be healthy if they are the correct carbs. The old thinking that blood cholesterol is not as much a result of dietary cholesterol as it is genes is completely false. It is absolutely tied to diet. What makes us fat is eating animal products and processed food which also leads to heart disease, diabetes, high cholesterol, high blood pressure and obesity. What we call the Standard American Diet. BTW, you know who decides what to put on those food pyramid charts? The dairy council, the beef association and all of those guys who have a stake financially in what you eat-so we can't listen to them-they aren't telling us the truth anyway! Back to carbs-Carbs keep us satiated. Protein does but Americans eat more than double the amount of protein per day than they need and that creates problems in the body. Good carbs are made from whole foods. Whole grains, whole vegetables and fruits. As far as pasta goes look for ones that aren't white, but have the word "whole" in front of it "whole wheat" pasta is what I eat. I prefer it now over white pasta-which to me tastes like air. The healthiest diet for anyone is a whole foods, plant based diet. You will lose weight and be able to keep it off and that's the key. It's sustainable. How many diets can say that and prove it? Of all the diets out there if 100 people lose weight on one 98% gain the weight back and then some. That's not the case with a whole foods plant based diet if it is followed correctly. Studies have show that. Plus-you get the health benefits. Blood pressure goes down. Cholesterol goes down. You chance of getting breast cancer reduces. You chance of other cancers reduces. Not to mention you chance of heart disease drops dramatically. That was what attracted me. I was sick of being overweight. I've seen people with diabetes go on this and do so well they reversed their diabetes. Now I'm not blaming you (obviously) or anyone for being misinformed. Doctors don't know this information and they are doing their best (Big Pharma and Big Ag) to keep it quiet. Big Pharma doesn't want people to get healthy because then all of their cholesterol drugs and blood pressure drugs etc. won't be getting bought anymore=less profit for them. Big Ag obviously doesn't want it getting out because it means people will stop eating meat. I like to help people, especially people I like-like the Peas. So I talk about this when folks are asking for advice on losing weight. It worked for me-I lost 61 pounds and have kept it off for almost 2 years after hitting my goal weight of 125 lbs. If you haven't watched it yet watch "Forks over Knives" on Netflix. There is a new one called, "What the Health" that talks about a WFPB diet and these diseases I mentioned. A study came out in 2014 that showed this to be incorrect. It was widely publicized and discussed. So you do your diet, and I'll do mine, but there certainly is science backing what I said. It's a very popular topic in health right now. I think if you put 10 dieticians and nutritionists in a room, they all might have different opinions.
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Post by craftsbycarolyn on Jun 19, 2017 4:40:31 GMT
I've heard to avoid anything 'white'. Like potatoes, sugar, flour, pasta. Which leaves meat and veggies I suppose. Losing weight is so difficult. I've lost about 5 pounds. Beings as I'm still over 200, that's not much. This is what I did a couple of years ago and I lost 25lbs. in a few months. I went from 211 down to 185. I wasn't real strict because who can do without pizza for the rest of their life. (LOL) I did use a flat bread that had I think 7 carbs. I bought it in Walmart. I need to do this again. Save
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Post by birukitty on Jun 19, 2017 5:00:48 GMT
No, I'm sorry you're misinformed. Carbs can be healthy if they are the correct carbs. The old thinking that blood cholesterol is not as much a result of dietary cholesterol as it is genes is completely false. It is absolutely tied to diet. What makes us fat is eating animal products and processed food which also leads to heart disease, diabetes, high cholesterol, high blood pressure and obesity. What we call the Standard American Diet. BTW, you know who decides what to put on those food pyramid charts? The dairy council, the beef association and all of those guys who have a stake financially in what you eat-so we can't listen to them-they aren't telling us the truth anyway! Back to carbs-Carbs keep us satiated. Protein does but Americans eat more than double the amount of protein per day than they need and that creates problems in the body. Good carbs are made from whole foods. Whole grains, whole vegetables and fruits. As far as pasta goes look for ones that aren't white, but have the word "whole" in front of it "whole wheat" pasta is what I eat. I prefer it now over white pasta-which to me tastes like air. The healthiest diet for anyone is a whole foods, plant based diet. You will lose weight and be able to keep it off and that's the key. It's sustainable. How many diets can say that and prove it? Of all the diets out there if 100 people lose weight on one 98% gain the weight back and then some. That's not the case with a whole foods plant based diet if it is followed correctly. Studies have show that. Plus-you get the health benefits. Blood pressure goes down. Cholesterol goes down. You chance of getting breast cancer reduces. You chance of other cancers reduces. Not to mention you chance of heart disease drops dramatically. That was what attracted me. I was sick of being overweight. I've seen people with diabetes go on this and do so well they reversed their diabetes. Now I'm not blaming you (obviously) or anyone for being misinformed. Doctors don't know this information and they are doing their best (Big Pharma and Big Ag) to keep it quiet. Big Pharma doesn't want people to get healthy because then all of their cholesterol drugs and blood pressure drugs etc. won't be getting bought anymore=less profit for them. Big Ag obviously doesn't want it getting out because it means people will stop eating meat. I like to help people, especially people I like-like the Peas. So I talk about this when folks are asking for advice on losing weight. It worked for me-I lost 61 pounds and have kept it off for almost 2 years after hitting my goal weight of 125 lbs. If you haven't watched it yet watch "Forks over Knives" on Netflix. There is a new one called, "What the Health" that talks about a WFPB diet and these diseases I mentioned. I think that it some ways you are also biased, just in the other direction. You may want to read The Obesity Code which covers a wide wealth of peer reviewed research. Science does not support that animal products are universally bad for us. Human beings are omnivores and always have been. You may find The Obesity Code a good read and we have a long ongoing discussion about it. We are not omnivores. Genetically we are closest to the apes and their diet consists almost entirely of plants. If you compare out teeth and jaws to a tiger's you can see the difference. Our teeth are not designed to tear meat. They are designed to eat plants. This is illustrated perfectly in the documentary "What The Health". Science is supporting in it's latest tests that animal products are bad for us. They clog our arteries with plaque which lead to heart disease. Heart disease is the number 1 killer in the USA. The problem is the people selling the animal products don't want that news getting out so they are doing their best to suppress it. I could read "The Obesity Code" and maybe I will if nothing more than to debate it here. There are books that I can offer on the WFPB side too. Here are a few: Plant Strong by Rip Esselstyn The Starch Solution by John McDougall The Forks over Knives Plan The Food Revolution by John Robbins or any of his other books Dr. Neal Barnard's Program For Reversing Diabetes Obviously everyone has to choose what is right for them. I've chosen the whole food plant based path and it's worked amazing well for me. It's cheap (I save money on groceries), it's easy (I love the food I eat). It's better for the environment (do you know how much water it takes to make a steak?), it's much better for the animals, it's much healthier for me, and it's easily sustainable. There aren't many diets you can say that about. I do think anyone can do this and be successful on it.
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Post by elaine on Jun 19, 2017 5:09:32 GMT
I think that it some ways you are also biased, just in the other direction. You may want to read The Obesity Code which covers a wide wealth of peer reviewed research. Science does not support that animal products are universally bad for us. Human beings are omnivores and always have been. You may find The Obesity Code a good read and we have a long ongoing discussion about it. We are not omnivores. Genetically we are closest to the apes and their diet consists almost entirely of plants. If you compare out teeth and jaws to a tiger's you can see the difference. Our teeth are not designed to tear meat. They are designed to eat plants. This is illustrated perfectly in the documentary "What The Health". Science is supporting in it's latest tests that animal products are bad for us. They clog our arteries with plaque which lead to heart disease. Heart disease is the number 1 killer in the USA. The problem is the people selling the animal products don't want that news getting out so they are doing their best to suppress it. I could read "The Obesity Code" and maybe I will if nothing more than to debate it here. There are books that I can offer on the WFPB side too. Here are a few: Plant Strong by Rip Esselstyn The Starch Solution by John McDougall The Forks over Knives Plan The Food Revolution by John Robbins or any of his other books Dr. Neal Barnard's Program For Reversing Diabetes Obviously everyone has to choose what is right for them. I've chosen the whole food plant based path and it's worked amazing well for me. It's cheap (I save money on groceries), it's easy (I love the food I eat). It's better for the environment (do you know how much water it takes to make a steak?), it's much better for the animals, it's much healthier for me, and it's easily sustainable. There aren't many diets you can say that about. I do think anyone can do this and be successful on it. Tigers are carnivores. Not omnivores. We have canines too. And no, the latest scientific is definitely NOT supporting that animal products are uniformly bad for us. It really isn't all a conspiracy. Humans have been hunting and eating meat since long before food industries, and they continue to do so in rural and indigenous societies where big business has no influence. If you can't admit your personal bias, and then attempt to look at contradictory data, it makes your argument very little different from some of the groups you rail against.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 19, 2017 5:25:06 GMT
A study came out in 2014 that showed this to be incorrect. It was widely publicized and discussed. So you do your diet, and I'll do mine, but there certainly is science backing what I said. The tide has turned on cholesterol-limiting dietary cholesterol has little to no impact on LDL. It's a very popular topic in health right now. I think if you put 10 dieticians and nutritionists in a room, they all might have different opinions. That's okay-we'll just have to agree to disagree. I will say this however. 2014 was 3 years ago. Studies I've read, and actual case studies I've read about all show total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol being reduced through a whole foods plant based diet including my own. My total cholesterol in Feburary of 2014 was 220. The latest blood test I had it came out at 165 and that was about 9 months ago. That also was for total cholesterol. I've never taken any medication to lower my cholesterol and I haven't changed anything else in the last 3 years other than changing to a whole foods plant based diet. So if it's not the diet that lowered my cholesterol 55 points what was it? You say you all are reading "The Obesity Code" and telling me I am biased in my way of thinking. Why are you reading it? My guess is you're tired of being overweight and are searching for an answer to solve that problem. I've solved that problem easily and you tell me I'm biased in my way of thinking? Who wouldn't be? I'm trying to be helpful by sharing what the answer is. I found it. It worked! But that's okay. We'll agree to disagree. Like you said-you do your diet and I'll do mine.
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Post by SallyPA on Jun 19, 2017 5:31:25 GMT
That's okay-we'll just have to agree to disagree. I will say this however. 2014 was 3 years ago. Studies I've read, and actual case studies I've read about all show total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol being reduced through a whole foods plant based diet including my own. My total cholesterol in Feburary of 2014 was 220. The latest blood test I had it came out at 165 and that was about 9 months ago. That also was for total cholesterol. I've never taken any medication to lower my cholesterol and I haven't changed anything else in the last 3 years other than changing to a whole foods plant based diet. So if it's not the diet that lowered my cholesterol 55 points what was it? You say you all are reading "The Obesity Code" and telling me I am biased in my way of thinking. Why are you reading it? My guess is you're tired of being overweight and are searching for an answer to solve that problem. I've solved that problem easily and you tell me I'm biased in my way of thinking? Who wouldn't be? I'm trying to be helpful by sharing what the answer is. I found it. It worked! But that's okay. We'll agree to disagree. Like you said-you do your diet and I'll do mine. You're eating plan is working for you and that's great. But don't discount the 2014 study that is still being analyzed and debated and discussed and circulated. 2014 is not that long ago. If a study was well-done and followed appropriate research protocols, then we don't have to keep studying the same stuff over and over again.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 19, 2017 5:41:49 GMT
We are not omnivores. Genetically we are closest to the apes and their diet consists almost entirely of plants. If you compare out teeth and jaws to a tiger's you can see the difference. Our teeth are not designed to tear meat. They are designed to eat plants. This is illustrated perfectly in the documentary "What The Health". Science is supporting in it's latest tests that animal products are bad for us. They clog our arteries with plaque which lead to heart disease. Heart disease is the number 1 killer in the USA. The problem is the people selling the animal products don't want that news getting out so they are doing their best to suppress it. I could read "The Obesity Code" and maybe I will if nothing more than to debate it here. There are books that I can offer on the WFPB side too. Here are a few: Plant Strong by Rip Esselstyn The Starch Solution by John McDougall The Forks over Knives Plan The Food Revolution by John Robbins or any of his other books Dr. Neal Barnard's Program For Reversing Diabetes Obviously everyone has to choose what is right for them. I've chosen the whole food plant based path and it's worked amazing well for me. It's cheap (I save money on groceries), it's easy (I love the food I eat). It's better for the environment (do you know how much water it takes to make a steak?), it's much better for the animals, it's much healthier for me, and it's easily sustainable. There aren't many diets you can say that about. I do think anyone can do this and be successful on it. Tigers are carnivores. Not omnivores. We have canines too. And no, the latest scientific is definitely NOT supporting that animal products are uniformly bad for us. It really isn't all a conspiracy. Humans have been hunting and eating meat since long before food industries, and they continue to do so in rural and indigenous societies where big business has no influence. If you can't admit your personal bias, and then attempt to look at contradictory data, it makes your argument very little different from some of the groups you rail against. I never said a tiger was an omnivore. Obviously I know a tiger is a carnivore-I have a domestic cat in my house. And yes the latest scientific data does say animal products are uniformly bad for us. Depends on which data you read or hear. I never said it was all a conspiracy. Geez, you really must stop painting everything I say with such a big brush. I'm the furthest thing from a conspiracy nut. But I do know the diary industries are up in arms about the loss in revenue so much that they are protesting and trying to get the use of plant milk like "almond milk" to drop the "milk" word from the label. This was just accomplished today in Europe I believe on soy milk products. I do believe what I read regarding Big Pharma and Big Ag. Never said anything about conspiracies. But I know about cooperations having a lot of power in today's world. I can look at the contradictory data, of course I can-but I know what is right and what is wrong. And I won't continue to be fooled by what we've been led to believe in the past regarding animal products being healthy for us. You can call me biased all you want. What I know is I've lost the weight. I'm at goal weight, my numbers are healthy and I feel 30 instead of 57. I feel better than I've ever felt in my life.
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Post by elaine on Jun 19, 2017 5:44:32 GMT
That's okay-we'll just have to agree to disagree. I will say this however. 2014 was 3 years ago. Studies I've read, and actual case studies I've read about all show total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol being reduced through a whole foods plant based diet including my own. My total cholesterol in Feburary of 2014 was 220. The latest blood test I had it came out at 165 and that was about 9 months ago. That also was for total cholesterol. I've never taken any medication to lower my cholesterol and I haven't changed anything else in the last 3 years other than changing to a whole foods plant based diet. So if it's not the diet that lowered my cholesterol 55 points what was it? You say you all are reading "The Obesity Code" and telling me I am biased in my way of thinking. Why are you reading it? My guess is you're tired of being overweight and are searching for an answer to solve that problem. I've solved that problem easily and you tell me I'm biased in my way of thinking? Who wouldn't be? I'm trying to be helpful by sharing what the answer is. I found it. It worked! But that's okay. We'll agree to disagree. Like you said-you do your diet and I'll do mine. Yeah, no. I'm not overweight. I just lost 32 pounds on an omnivorous diet. Quite easily, in fact. In 4 months. And it has stayed off for another 6, so far. I gained it due to massive steroid treatment, not poor eating habits. But diet fascinates me and I continue to read about it and discuss eating strategies. I look forward to hearing your arguments disputing all of the peer-reviewed scientific studies in the Obesity Code. Each chapter ends with a list of references of the studies cited in that chapter. And apparently since all those medical researchers are, in fact, wrong, I am interested in hearing why on a case by case basis. I'm glad that your chosen diet works for you and you are happy with it. You may have done just as well on a number of other diets, but are happy with this one and have no problem following it, so it works for YOU. That is a great thing! All physicians worth their salt understand that each no approach/treatment/diet will have the same success/impact on each and every person. Your approach will not work for everyone, just as one type of antibiotic doesn't cure strep throat in every person.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 19, 2017 5:46:33 GMT
That's okay-we'll just have to agree to disagree. I will say this however. 2014 was 3 years ago. Studies I've read, and actual case studies I've read about all show total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol being reduced through a whole foods plant based diet including my own. My total cholesterol in Feburary of 2014 was 220. The latest blood test I had it came out at 165 and that was about 9 months ago. That also was for total cholesterol. I've never taken any medication to lower my cholesterol and I haven't changed anything else in the last 3 years other than changing to a whole foods plant based diet. So if it's not the diet that lowered my cholesterol 55 points what was it? You say you all are reading "The Obesity Code" and telling me I am biased in my way of thinking. Why are you reading it? My guess is you're tired of being overweight and are searching for an answer to solve that problem. I've solved that problem easily and you tell me I'm biased in my way of thinking? Who wouldn't be? I'm trying to be helpful by sharing what the answer is. I found it. It worked! But that's okay. We'll agree to disagree. Like you said-you do your diet and I'll do mine. You're eating plan is working for you and that's great. But don't discount the 2014 study that is still being analyzed and debated and discussed and circulated. 2014 is not that long ago. If a study was well-done and followed appropriate research protocols, then we don't have to keep studying the same stuff over and over again. Really? That's like saying a study was done and they found the earth was flat so it's all been decided and no further studies are needed. BTW-who funded that 2014 study? Was it the makers of a cholesterol lowering drug? I'll bet you it was. And my last question-So how did I lower my cholesterol 55 points if it wasn't through diet? That was the only change I made.
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stittsygirl
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Post by stittsygirl on Jun 19, 2017 5:46:39 GMT
I guess it's surprising to me that there are still people out there that believe there is a one-size-fits-all way to eat. Yeah, I fell for that for too long, growing up in the "fat-is-bad for you" and "calories in, calories out" decades. I didn't know at the time that I had PCOS and insulin resistance, and eating more from that big bottom base of the original food pyramid was doing a lot more to hurt me than help.
Then at 32 I tried something different, something still very controversial at the time, and it worked! And it still works for me. I eat two slices of bacon just about every morning - eggs, chicken, shrimp, and occasionally beef and pork. I balance all that with non-starchy vegetables and low-glycemic fruit, as well as nuts and some occasional oatmeal. And guess what? All of my test results also fall into normal, happy ranges. I am also in better shape on my meat-filled diet, at 48, than I have been my entire life. So I'll take it.
You know, whatever works for your own individual body. Individual being the key word there.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 19, 2017 6:02:16 GMT
That's okay-we'll just have to agree to disagree. I will say this however. 2014 was 3 years ago. Studies I've read, and actual case studies I've read about all show total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol being reduced through a whole foods plant based diet including my own. My total cholesterol in Feburary of 2014 was 220. The latest blood test I had it came out at 165 and that was about 9 months ago. That also was for total cholesterol. I've never taken any medication to lower my cholesterol and I haven't changed anything else in the last 3 years other than changing to a whole foods plant based diet. So if it's not the diet that lowered my cholesterol 55 points what was it? You say you all are reading "The Obesity Code" and telling me I am biased in my way of thinking. Why are you reading it? My guess is you're tired of being overweight and are searching for an answer to solve that problem. I've solved that problem easily and you tell me I'm biased in my way of thinking? Who wouldn't be? I'm trying to be helpful by sharing what the answer is. I found it. It worked! But that's okay. We'll agree to disagree. Like you said-you do your diet and I'll do mine. Yeah, no. I'm not overweight. I just lost 32 pounds on an omnivorous diet. Quite easily, in fact. In 4 months. And it has stayed off for another 6, so far. I gained it due to massive steroid treatment, not poor eating habits. But diet fascinates me and I continue to read about it and discuss eating strategies. I look forward to hearing your arguments disputing all of the peer-reviewed scientific studies in the Obesity Code. Each chapter ends with a list of references of the studies cited in that chapter. And apparently since all those medical researchers are, in fact, wrong, I am interested in hearing why on a case by case basis. I'm glad that your chosen diet works for you and you are happy with it. You may have done just as well on a number of other diets, but are happy with this one and have no problem following it, so it works for YOU. That is a great thing! All physicians worth their salt understand that each no approach/treatment/diet will have the same success/impact on each and every person. Your approach will not work for everyone, just as one type of antibiotic doesn't cure strep throat in every person. I congratulate you on your weight loss Elaine. I know how horrible it is to gain weight on steroids. I've done it myself in the past. That and a terrible case of hypothyroid was the cause of my weight problems. I'll make you a deal Elaine. I'll read "The Obesity Code" if you read "The Food Revolution" by John Robbins. Then we can discuss the different sides of each book. I used to think doctors knew it all nutrition wise but they don't because they don't study nutrition in medical school and even if they do what they aren't taught isn't what the whole foods plant based data promotes. But I haven't read "The Obesity Code" yet so I'll wait until I read it to write what about what it says. I look forward to debating it with you. If anyone else is wiling to read "The Food Revolution" it's a great book and I think you will learn a lot.
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Post by elaine on Jun 19, 2017 10:04:50 GMT
Yeah, no. I'm not overweight. I just lost 32 pounds on an omnivorous diet. Quite easily, in fact. In 4 months. And it has stayed off for another 6, so far. I gained it due to massive steroid treatment, not poor eating habits. But diet fascinates me and I continue to read about it and discuss eating strategies. I look forward to hearing your arguments disputing all of the peer-reviewed scientific studies in the Obesity Code. Each chapter ends with a list of references of the studies cited in that chapter. And apparently since all those medical researchers are, in fact, wrong, I am interested in hearing why on a case by case basis. I'm glad that your chosen diet works for you and you are happy with it. You may have done just as well on a number of other diets, but are happy with this one and have no problem following it, so it works for YOU. That is a great thing! All physicians worth their salt understand that each no approach/treatment/diet will have the same success/impact on each and every person. Your approach will not work for everyone, just as one type of antibiotic doesn't cure strep throat in every person. I congratulate you on your weight loss Elaine. I know how horrible it is to gain weight on steroids. I've done it myself in the past. That and a terrible case of hypothyroid was the cause of my weight problems. I'll make you a deal Elaine. I'll read "The Obesity Code" if you read "The Food Revolution" by John Robbins. Then we can discuss the different sides of each book. I used to think doctors knew it all nutrition wise but they don't because they don't study nutrition in medical school and even if they do what they aren't taught isn't what the whole foods plant based data promotes. But I haven't read "The Obesity Code" yet so I'll wait until I read it to write what about what it says. I look forward to debating it with you. If anyone else is wiling to read "The Food Revolution" it's a great book and I think you will learn a lot. Deal!
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Post by happymom on Jun 19, 2017 11:36:13 GMT
I lost 70 pounds in 2015 and used my fitness pal. I changed my settings (for the pie graph) to 60% fat, 20% protein and 10% carrbs. I definitely wasn't keto and usually said I did "Lowish carb" because I ate lots of veggies and even green veggies have carbs.
My fats came from olive oil (homemade dressing and avocado and others. I had one serving of cheese a day. It wasn't the whole eat as much cheese, meat and butter as I could thing.
My plan- every meal started with a vegetable and followed a pattern Big ass salad Protein with cooked vegetable Eggs with tons of vegetables with avo on side.
I avoided artificial sugar except gum. I tried to drink less alcohol- and cut back on going out to eat
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Post by sawwhet on Jun 19, 2017 11:57:07 GMT
I 100% believe that cutting carbs can greatly improve your health. I was prediabetic years ago and lost weight by reducing refined carbs. I've been healthy since and have lost over 30lbs. I've also done a couple rounds of Whole30 which by the way was deemed one of the "worst diets in America". I call BS on that designation. Eating real, whole food will not make you sick. Here's a great youtube video on diabetes and carb consumption. Interesting stuff even if you don't have Type 2 and just want to improve your health. I'll never refer to the Canada Food Guide again. Reversing Type 2 Diabetes.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jun 19, 2017 12:03:40 GMT
The healthiest diet for anyone is a whole foods, plant based diet. You will lose weight and be able to keep it off and that's the key. It's sustainable. How many diets can say that and prove it? Of all the diets out there if 100 people lose weight on one 98% gain the weight back and then some. That's not the case with a whole foods plant based diet if it is followed correctly. Studies have show that. So... all the fat vegans are lying?
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Post by missbennet on Jun 19, 2017 13:17:29 GMT
I guess it's surprising to me that there are still people out there that believe there is a one-size-fits-all way to eat. Yeah, I fell for that for too long, growing up in the "fat-is-bad for you" and "calories in, calories out" decades. I didn't know at the time that I had PCOS and insulin resistance, and eating more from that big bottom base of the original food pyramid was doing a lot more to hurt me than help. Then at 32 I tried something different, something still very controversial at the time, and it worked! And it still works for me. I eat two slices of bacon just about every morning - eggs, chicken, shrimp, and occasionally beef and pork. I balance all that with non-starchy vegetables and low-glycemic fruit, as well as nuts and some occasional oatmeal. And guess what? All of my test results also fall into normal, happy ranges. I am also in better shape on my meat-filled diet, at 48, than I have been my entire life. So I'll take it. You know, whatever works for your own individual body. Individual being the key word there. Robb Wolf makes this same argument in his recent book Wired to Eat - that it's all individual. Someone up thread said carbs keep them satiated, and for me, carbs turn on hunger. The more I eat, the more I want and the worse I feel. The more fat I eat, the less hungry I am and I feel great. I never thought I could give up bread, but now it just tastes like filler to me...and anytime I think I might be able to moderate my intake of refined carbs, well, I can't.
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 19, 2017 13:29:25 GMT
I don't weigh myself, but I lost the little bit of weight that hung around after my last baby in about six weeks recently by taking up strength training and cutting out carbs. My husband has lost 11 pounds in the same period of time by doing the same (although he still eats some rice and bread).
For me, the three main switches were to stop eating bread (I usually had a bagel for breakfast and a sandwich for lunch) and to switch out the carb at dinner (usually rice or couscous, neither of which I like much anyway) for another vegetable or a salad. I have never been a sweets person anyway. My big issue is my husband--he is the cook, and understandably gets annoyed if he puts in the effort to prepare a meal and I don't eat all of it. Since he decided to lower his carbs too, it has been a lot easier.
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Post by Meri-Lyn on Jun 19, 2017 13:50:51 GMT
I would also recommend a documentary on Netflix called What's with Wheat?
Our story:
Just before Memorial Day, DH had a health crisis that landed him in the ICU. The doctor flat out told him "LOSE WEIGHT OR ELSE!"
I had dabbled on and off with keto-type eating at the start of the year. My BFF and a couple other good pals were doing it with great results, and I learned a lot about it from them. Memorial Day weekend, we went fairly hard core. I wouldn't say we are at the 20-25 net carb level, but we're fairly close, and we've cut out all the carbs and starches for the most part.
Now, keep in mind a ton of this was fluid weight from the hospital, but DH has lost over 50 lbs. The amazing thing is, he is losing a little every day, even though it may only be a few ounces or so, while up to a week/week and a half ago, he was on a heavy duty dose of Prednisone. His blood pressure has been amazing, pretty much to the point that his home health nurse is sure they will take him off at least one of his HBP drugs when he has his cardio appt. in a few weeks.
Me? Well from my last drs. appointment, I'm down a total of 25 lbs. Since we started 3 weeks ago (and when I bought our new scale), I'm down 11.
I admit I'm not as hardcore as I should be. I still use some artificial sweeteners that are frowned upon, as I can't seem to give up my Diet Dr. Pepper. But if that's the worse thing, then hey, I'll take it for now. If I start stall out, and then I'll have to look for an alternative.
My other take, yes, the LCHF way does work for us. But you need proteins, too. You have to find a good, healthy balance that works for you, and feel free to try new things. Things that DH poo-poo'd a few months ago, he can't get enough of. If you had told me a year ago, he would enjoy eating salad, I'd say you were full of it. He even tried a roasted radish last night and said "Hey, this isn't bad!"
The one thing I thought would be hard would be my sweets. I've found a few chocolates that have Ertythinol, which is okay, but don't eat too many, or well, you know. I've even found some good dessert recipes, like cheesecake dip with sugar-free syrup. But truth be told, I just had a bite or two and was fine, and DH didn't want any at all.
As with anything, YMMV, you need to do what works for you. If you told me I could give up sweets, I'd tell you, you're crazy, but once you change the way you eat, you don't miss them. I know for a fact sugar addiction is real. But this is what works for US, and I would encourage anyone to do their homework before they start.
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Post by dazeepetals on Jun 19, 2017 14:03:02 GMT
No, I'm sorry you're misinformed. Carbs can be healthy if they are the correct carbs. The old thinking that blood cholesterol is not as much a result of dietary cholesterol as it is genes is completely false. It is absolutely tied to diet. What makes us fat is eating animal products and processed food which also leads to heart disease, diabetes, high cholesterol, high blood pressure and obesity. What we call the Standard American Diet. BTW, you know who decides what to put on those food pyramid charts? The dairy council, the beef association and all of those guys who have a stake financially in what you eat-so we can't listen to them-they aren't telling us the truth anyway! Back to carbs-Carbs keep us satiated. Protein does but Americans eat more than double the amount of protein per day than they need and that creates problems in the body. Good carbs are made from whole foods. Whole grains, whole vegetables and fruits. As far as pasta goes look for ones that aren't white, but have the word "whole" in front of it "whole wheat" pasta is what I eat. I prefer it now over white pasta-which to me tastes like air. The healthiest diet for anyone is a whole foods, plant based diet. You will lose weight and be able to keep it off and that's the key. It's sustainable. How many diets can say that and prove it? Of all the diets out there if 100 people lose weight on one 98% gain the weight back and then some. That's not the case with a whole foods plant based diet if it is followed correctly. Studies have show that. Plus-you get the health benefits. Blood pressure goes down. Cholesterol goes down. You chance of getting breast cancer reduces. You chance of other cancers reduces. Not to mention you chance of heart disease drops dramatically. That was what attracted me. I was sick of being overweight. I've seen people with diabetes go on this and do so well they reversed their diabetes. Now I'm not blaming you (obviously) or anyone for being misinformed. Doctors don't know this information and they are doing their best (Big Pharma and Big Ag) to keep it quiet. Big Pharma doesn't want people to get healthy because then all of their cholesterol drugs and blood pressure drugs etc. won't be getting bought anymore=less profit for them. Big Ag obviously doesn't want it getting out because it means people will stop eating meat. I like to help people, especially people I like-like the Peas. So I talk about this when folks are asking for advice on losing weight. It worked for me-I lost 61 pounds and have kept it off for almost 2 years after hitting my goal weight of 125 lbs. If you haven't watched it yet watch "Forks over Knives" on Netflix. There is a new one called, "What the Health" that talks about a WFPB diet and these diseases I mentioned. A study came out in 2014 that showed this to be incorrect. It was widely publicized and discussed. So you do your diet, and I'll do mine, but there certainly is science backing what I said. It's a very popular topic in health right now. I think if you put 10 dieticians and nutritionists in a room, they all might have different opinions. What 2014 study are you referencing here? The saturated fat and heart disease study? I formatting a response to a few of the comments here, but want to make sure I know exactly what you are referring to here.
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Post by sawwhet on Jun 19, 2017 15:16:49 GMT
False. This has recently been shown to be incorrect. The old food pyramid with its base in carbs was flat out unhealthy. Sugar/carbs makes us fat, not fat. Also, same with cholesterol. Blood cholesterol is not as much a result of dietary cholesterol as it is genes. I hate the "everything in moderation" line of thought. I want that to be the case but no my body does not work like that. Good for you if your body does. It also doesn't work for me to sub "healthier options" like a sweet potato for white potato or brown rice for white or some healthy new pasta for regular. It's all about sugar. Those "healthier" versions all have be same amount of sugar as their counterparts. No, I'm sorry you're misinformed. Carbs can be healthy if they are the correct carbs. The old thinking that blood cholesterol is not as much a result of dietary cholesterol as it is genes is completely false. It is absolutely tied to diet. What makes us fat is eating animal products and processed food which also leads to heart disease, diabetes, high cholesterol, high blood pressure and obesity. What we call the Standard American Diet. BTW, you know who decides what to put on those food pyramid charts? The dairy council, the beef association and all of those guys who have a stake financially in what you eat-so we can't listen to them-they aren't telling us the truth anyway! Back to carbs-Carbs keep us satiated. Protein does but Americans eat more than double the amount of protein per day than they need and that creates problems in the body. Good carbs are made from whole foods. Whole grains, whole vegetables and fruits. As far as pasta goes look for ones that aren't white, but have the word "whole" in front of it "whole wheat" pasta is what I eat. I prefer it now over white pasta-which to me tastes like air. The healthiest diet for anyone is a whole foods, plant based diet. You will lose weight and be able to keep it off and that's the key. It's sustainable. How many diets can say that and prove it? Of all the diets out there if 100 people lose weight on one 98% gain the weight back and then some. That's not the case with a whole foods plant based diet if it is followed correctly. Studies have show that. Plus-you get the health benefits. Blood pressure goes down. Cholesterol goes down. You chance of getting breast cancer reduces. You chance of other cancers reduces. Not to mention you chance of heart disease drops dramatically. That was what attracted me. I was sick of being overweight. I've seen people with diabetes go on this and do so well they reversed their diabetes. Now I'm not blaming you (obviously) or anyone for being misinformed. Doctors don't know this information and they are doing their best (Big Pharma and Big Ag) to keep it quiet. Big Pharma doesn't want people to get healthy because then all of their cholesterol drugs and blood pressure drugs etc. won't be getting bought anymore=less profit for them. Big Ag obviously doesn't want it getting out because it means people will stop eating meat. I like to help people, especially people I like-like the Peas. So I talk about this when folks are asking for advice on losing weight. It worked for me-I lost 61 pounds and have kept it off for almost 2 years after hitting my goal weight of 125 lbs. If you haven't watched it yet watch "Forks over Knives" on Netflix. There is a new one called, "What the Health" that talks about a WFPB diet and these diseases I mentioned. I somewhat agree with you. However, we need to change this to healthy carbs NOT refined carbs. Veggies, mushrooms and the like..YES. Pasta, rice and overindulgence in potatoes...NO. Carbs don't necessarily keep us satiated...healthy carbs can but we definitely suffer from a crash after a pasta dinner. Fat keeps us satiated. Fat has little effect on our blood sugar. No spike in blood sugar with healthy fats and it keeps us satiated. I think we need to remember that with low carb diets or Whole30 style eating, the emphasis is on plants. Low carb diets IS a plant based diet. Fill your plate 2/3 at each meal with veggies, small serving of healthy fats (avocado, natural nut butter, raw cashews etc) and a protein. Low carb does not mean no carb. Obviously, there are carbs in veggies. I hear this all the time. "So you don't eat carbs"? YES!! I do eat carbs but generally from plants. I eat meat (local, grass fed or wild caught fish) and plenty of protein (other options) and maintain low cholesterol, low blood pressure and have reversed my Type 2 Diabetes. My parents and sibling were diabetics with high cholesterol and high blood pressure. It runs in my extended family as well and none of my immediate family was overweight (just me). I also add exercise to the mix. My goal is to eat 80-90 percent low carb/modified Paleo and 10-20% "other" (this allows for the occasional ice cream treat or bowl meal with quinoa/rice). I enjoy eating gluten free granola with Greek yogurt for breakfast some mornings. Not paleo but this is included in my 10-20% other. I've maintained my 30lb weight loss for 4 years.
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Post by milocat on Jun 19, 2017 16:18:47 GMT
One year ago I cut out most gluten because it was giving me a constant low grade daily headache. I'm not gluten free, I don't read labels. Sometimes I will eat a serving of gluten - homemade perogies on special occasions, mom's homemade desserts. About once a month. Now I could cut back even more on carbs if I want or need to. Since the gluten foods were the ones that had me craving the junk or the sugar more. The healthiest diet for anyone is a whole foods, plant based diet. You will lose weight and be able to keep it off and that's the key. It's sustainable. How many diets can say that and prove it? Of all the diets out there if 100 people lose weight on one 98% gain the weight back and then some. That's not the case with a whole foods plant based diet if it is followed correctly. Studies have show that. So... all the fat vegans are lying? I once read an article saying that Twinkies are vegan friendly! It was just saying how not all vegans eat healthy foods and there is plenty of crap that is vegan friendly. I thought it was funny. Not calling you out at all birukitty. So there are those of use here that are recently reading The Obesity Code, LCHF, keto and then the opposite is whole foods plant based and it's all just as confusing again. The experts, the studies and research. Aarrghh!!
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Post by dazeepetals on Jun 19, 2017 16:22:04 GMT
I 100% believe that cutting carbs can greatly improve your health. I was prediabetic years ago and lost weight by reducing refined carbs. I've been healthy since and have lost over 30lbs. I've also done a couple rounds of Whole30 which by the way was deemed one of the "worst diets in America". I call BS on that designation. Eating real, whole food will not make you sick. Here's a great youtube video on diabetes and carb consumption. Interesting stuff even if you don't have Type 2 and just want to improve your health. I'll never refer to the Canada Food Guide again. Reversing Type 2 Diabetes.Just a counter idea to carbs as the cause of Diabetes. This is from Dr. Michael Gregor who runs NutritionFacts.org. His entire practice is devoted to looking at published literature and critiquing it in order to find the best information out there in regards to nutrition. nutritionfacts.org/video/diabetes-as-a-disease-of-fat-toxicity/
In addition, here is another TED talk from Dr. Neal Barnard, who is president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine and has numerous published studies looking at diabetes and cardiovascular health.
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Post by dazeepetals on Jun 19, 2017 16:32:10 GMT
The healthiest diet for anyone is a whole foods, plant based diet. You will lose weight and be able to keep it off and that's the key. It's sustainable. How many diets can say that and prove it? Of all the diets out there if 100 people lose weight on one 98% gain the weight back and then some. That's not the case with a whole foods plant based diet if it is followed correctly. Studies have show that. So... all the fat vegans are lying? Oreos are vegan. Just saying. Vegan doesn't mean they eat whole foods, plant based (WFPB). Big difference. Fake meats are loaded with fat and crap, and are not what I'd call healthy by any means.
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Post by moodyblue on Jun 19, 2017 17:16:10 GMT
] The healthiest diet for anyone is a whole foods, plant based diet. You will lose weight and be able to keep it off and that's the key. It's sustainable. How many diets can say that and prove it? Of all the diets out there if 100 people lose weight on one 98% gain the weight back and then some. That's not the case with a whole foods plant based diet if it is followed correctly. Studies have show that. [ I'm one of those people who believes that there is no ONE right answer for everyone. I do believe that each individual needs to find what eating plan works for him/her - and to be successful long-term it has to be a plan one can live with for many many years, long after the excess weight has been lost. Of course people gain weight after losing it on a diet - because they go OFF the diet. If you went off your whole foods plant based diet, you would most likely gain weight. The studies will show that people keep the weight off on that eating plan, if, as you say yourself, "it is followed correctly." Well, if people continue to follow another eating plan correctly, they would most likely maintain their weight loss too. It's not that they regain the weight while they are following the diet. What makes the difference FOR YOU is that you have found a way of eating that works and is sustainable for the long term. That way of eating may not be "the answer" for someone else.
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Post by Olan on Jun 19, 2017 17:27:05 GMT
I've found that as I improve my diet moderation and "substitutions" don't work. Low carb hamburger buns? No thanks. Lettuce wrapped around a beef pattie? Possibly but I would much rather have a salad. If I allow myself a hamburger then I now need a Vanilla Coke and fries *shrugs*. Same with treating myself. If I treat myself to something on the weekend I can almost guarantee it will take at least 2 weeks before I stop craving whatever it was I caved in to.
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Post by Merge on Jun 19, 2017 17:46:11 GMT
I support everyone doing what works for them. I've done low-fat plant-based, I've done "moderation" a la Weight Watchers, I've done just about every diet out there. What I know is that after 2 weeks of any of those I am generally miserable and starving. After 2 weeks of whole foods LCHF, I feel great and have no desire to eat the things I used to.
My blood work has always been great, but I'm overweight/obese. I'm due again for blood work in November so the proof will be in the pudding at that time - for me. I should be many pounds lighter and I hope my blood work will still look good or even better.
As long as that happens and I'm still feeling good, I don't care what any studies say.
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