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Post by cakediva on Aug 27, 2014 14:20:33 GMT
I've now been nominated twice. I untagged & ignored the first one. And that is all I planned to do.
But now DH's Aunt & Uncle have said my name (I had no clue, I didn't watch their videos) and today on my totally unrelated status, asked if I knew they had nominated me.
I simply said "no, I didn't know" and left it at that.
But I'm wondering if anybody has a polite phrase that they have used, that doesn't make one look like an insensitive jerk if you choose not to do it?
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Post by cherivall on Aug 27, 2014 14:27:17 GMT
Here is what I did .. hope it helps I was challenged by Kirstyn Knizeski to do the als ice water challenge.. well I am NOT going to dump ice water on my head and since I give to ALS already in memory of my grandfather who died from ALS 36 years ago, I am going to take a different path in answer to the challenge .
I am going to give my donation to www.inhalant.org/ in memory of Kaitlyn Vallery .. who made a choice 416 weeks ago today that forever changed our lives ..
SO now I challenge ALL of my friends to pour water over your head if you see fit, but more importantly open your wallets (and if that is not possible at this time in your life, give you time or talents) to help a cause near and dear to your heartsCheri
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Post by M in Carolina on Aug 27, 2014 14:32:36 GMT
I don't understand the challenge. You either have to donate money or dump ice water over yourself. How does dumping ice water on yourself benefit ALS research?
Is it just to promote info about the disease?
As someone who suffers from severe illness that could use more money for research on more treatments, I really don't like this stupid "challenge". Not only do you NOT donate any money to help those suffering from an insidious disease, you draw attention to yourself doing a stupid prank and filming it?
I really don't get it. How does dumping ice water on yourself help ANYONE?
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Post by annabella on Aug 27, 2014 14:33:31 GMT
The ice bucket challenge has raised $80 million this year compared to just $2.5 million during the same period last year. Lou Gehrig’s disease is a horrible disease and I'm glad they have more money for research. If you don't want to to do just say you donated, no one has to know how much.
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Post by annabella on Aug 27, 2014 14:34:49 GMT
m in Carolina like I said the dare is so popular it has raised the charity tons of money and forces people to hopefully google first what they are doing the ice bucket challenge for so it brings more awareness.
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Post by luckyexwife on Aug 27, 2014 14:35:41 GMT
I don't understand the challenge. You either have to donate money or dump ice water over yourself. How does dumping ice water on yourself benefit ALS research? Is it just to promote info about the disease? As someone who suffers from severe illness that could use more money for research on more treatments, I really don't like this stupid "challenge". Not only do you NOT donate any money to help those suffering from an insidious disease, you draw attention to yourself doing a stupid prank and filming it? I really don't get it. How does dumping ice water on yourself help ANYONE? This has been discussed multiple times in multiple threads. $100 without water, $10 with. Most of the videos I've seen people say they will donate the full $100.
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Post by sisterbdsq on Aug 27, 2014 14:47:14 GMT
Link them to the info on how the money is spent. Tell them you would prefer not to donate based on that. Why be "polite"? Be factual!
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Post by kmk1112 on Aug 27, 2014 14:48:24 GMT
I haven't been challenged yet, but I am planning to lie and say I donated. It's none of anyone's business if, how and where I donate my money. Right now is not a good time for me to donate anything to anyone.
I did see one friend similar to what Cherivall posted. Her son has diabetes, she said she wasn't going to dump ice on her head, but she was going to make a donation to an important charity to her, and went on to explain why that was her charity of choice.
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Post by marzbar71 on Aug 27, 2014 14:49:24 GMT
I was nominated by my niece. But since I didn't have anyone available to dump or film, I just donated the $100 and was done with it.
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Post by gloryjoy on Aug 27, 2014 14:54:29 GMT
I'm not going to lie. Nominate me if you want but I won't be participating or donating.
We all have causes that are near and dear to us. I have 3 of them, this one isn't one of them.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Aug 27, 2014 18:47:09 GMT
The ice bucket challenge has raised $80 million this year compared to just $2.5 million during the same period last year. Lou Gehrig’s disease is a horrible disease and I'm glad they have more money for research. If you don't want to to do just say you donated, no one has to know how much. This... I have lost two members of my family to ALS. It was horrific. The suffering physically and emotionally is unprecedented. It is unbelievably underfunded and overlooked. My mother nearly lost her house trying to afford my fathers treatment and the highest cost of all was just finding a way to communicate with him. Truly heartbreaking. This challange has gave hope to a lot of people. Not only ALS but all motor neuron diseases and neuro research. For the naysayers I pray you never have this touch your family because I have been hit with many diseases in our family. Breast, skin, colon cancer. Cystic Fibrosis etc... (all horrible) but this disease was very little known and there was no funding and NO HOPE. Most everyone knows what ALS is now and that makes me feel less alone in this battle and I pray we do not lose anymore family to this disease because I am not sure I can handle round three.
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Post by SnowWhite on Aug 27, 2014 19:05:48 GMT
I'm not going to lie. Nominate me if you want but I won't be participating or donating. I agree with you, I won't lie either if pressed. I'm most likely to simply ignore any further callouts (neither of the people who tagged me have said anything about the fact that I did not respond nor that I untagged myself). Anyone who would do such a thing is truly not a friend to me. I don't own anyone an explanation.
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Post by SnowWhite on Aug 27, 2014 19:09:23 GMT
For the naysayers I pray you never have this touch your family because I have been hit with many diseases in our family. Breast, skin, colon cancer. Cystic Fibrosis etc... (all horrible) but this disease was very little known and there was no funding and NO HOPE. Who's naysaying? Some of us just don't appreciate being guilted/bullied/peer-pressured into making our charitable donations public. My charitable donations will always remain personal and private. It's none of your business who I donate to and why, nor is it up to you to decide whether that's appropriate. I'm offended that you think your charity and your disease are somehow worse than anything anyone else has personally experienced and that you think diseases can even have a ranking system to begin with.
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Post by krc11 on Aug 27, 2014 19:38:37 GMT
I'm glad that it has raised awareness for the cause, but I don't like the peer pressure/bullying aspect of it. I feel exactly the same way about the United Way campaign at my former employer. They hound us for 100% participation in each group and the group with 100% first wins something and the managers get bragging rights. Although management doesnt' know the amount of your donation or who in the group is the hold-out, we all get hounded relentlessly until we make or get close to 100%. I feel my money goes to my charities (which don't happen to be United Way) and it's none of your business. Even with that thought, I usually subcombed to the bullying and made a $1 donation to get my manager off my back.
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Post by caro on Aug 27, 2014 19:39:45 GMT
I'm not going to lie. Nominate me if you want but I won't be participating or donating. We all have causes that are near and dear to us. I have 3 of them, this one isn't one of them. This is what I will do as well. If a person doesn't want to do this challenge just say so. I don 't feel bad at all about not choosing to do this challenge.
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Post by SnowWhite on Aug 27, 2014 19:43:48 GMT
I feel exactly the same way about the United Way campaign at my former employer. I always hated that time of year. I absolutely refused to give money to the United Way. Years ago, before technology and security and online forms were the way of doing business, our company's United Way coordinator stole the information from a crap-ton of donation forms and used the information to bilk people out of a ton of money. Hot mess to clean up. And yet our company still participated and pushed the UW every damned year.
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Post by maryland on Aug 27, 2014 19:50:47 GMT
Can you donate cash? My daughter did the challenge and we are going to donate. But I have had problems with charities sending up so many requests and they will use up my whole donation on mailings. So do they accept cash? Dumb question, but want to send money without giving an address. We stopped donating to Salvation Army because even though I called and said stop sending us stuff, we will donate once a year, they continued.
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Post by kmk1112 on Aug 27, 2014 19:52:43 GMT
And since I posted 5 hours ago, I have been challenged, and like I said I would, I lied and said I will donate instead of doing the ice on my head thing. And I don't feel bad.
I agree that it is a very good cause, and think it's great how much attention it's brought to this horrible disease.
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Post by grinningcat on Aug 27, 2014 20:01:15 GMT
I'm glad that it has raised awareness for the cause, but I don't like the peer pressure/bullying aspect of it. I feel exactly the same way about the United Way campaign at my former employer. They hound us for 100% participation in each group and the group with 100% first wins something and the managers get bragging rights. Although management doesnt' know the amount of your donation or who in the group is the hold-out, we all get hounded relentlessly until we make or get close to 100%. I feel my money goes to my charities (which don't happen to be United Way) and it's none of your business. Even with that thought, I usually subcombed to the bullying and made a $1 donation to get my manager off my back. I refuse to donate to the United Way and have made myself perfectly clear in the whole "we want 100% participation" bullshit mentality of office places. No, I will not be forced to donate to your charity of choice because you want some stupid bragging rights. No, I will not donate to a charity that I consider a bully and thug towards member agencies. My donations are my donations, it is no one's business what I donate to. And quite frankly, I told the last over zealous campaigner that I considered their tactics bullying and harrassment enough to qualify to be reported. Got them to back off. United Way in the office is evil, pure and simple.
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Post by Mary W on Aug 27, 2014 20:04:44 GMT
I've struggled with how to respond to it too or whether to just not respond at all. I know I am not going to dump ice water on my head. I have no problem with anyone who chose to do it, and good for all those who have donated. I'm glad ALS has gotten some recognition and funds, and I do hope it all helps find a cure. I also have other charities that I choose to donate to for personal reasons. Now I could just say all that in a FB post, but the problem for me is that we had a family member who suffered from ALS. I do not want other family members to think that I and my dh are snubbing ALS and somehow are disrespecting the deceased family member by choosing other charities. This is the problem with using peer pressure to get people to make donations to a specific charity. If I did the challenge or indicate that I am donating to another cause, some people will have hurt feelings. I'm choosing to just ignore the whole thing, but even then it appears that we don't care that the family member suffered from this disease. It's a no win situation - unless I dump water on my head, which I don't want to do!
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Post by cakediva on Aug 27, 2014 20:12:07 GMT
For the naysayers I pray you never have this touch your family because I have been hit with many diseases in our family. Breast, skin, colon cancer. Cystic Fibrosis etc... (all horrible) but this disease was very little known and there was no funding and NO HOPE. Who's naysaying? Some of us just don't appreciate being guilted/bullied/peer-pressured into making our charitable donations public. My charitable donations will always remain personal and private. It's none of your business who I donate to and why, nor is it up to you to decide whether that's appropriate. I'm offended that you think your charity and your disease are somehow worse than anything anyone else has personally experienced and that you think diseases can even have a ranking system to begin with. This. I'm not naysaying - I applaud the amount of money raised for this truly awful disease. That said, I don't want to donate to the cause at this time. I already donate to charities near and dear to my heart, and am currently involved in raising funds for a charity I am on the board for. Any donations I make will go to that charity at this time. And calling me out and asking why I haven't done it yet is not the way to get me to donate to anything.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 20:15:01 GMT
The ice bucket challenge has raised $80 million this year compared to just $2.5 million during the same period last year. Lou Gehrig’s disease is a horrible disease and I'm glad they have more money for research. If you don't want to to do just say you donated, no one has to know how much. This... I have lost two members of my family to ALS. It was horrific. The suffering physically and emotionally is unprecedented. It is unbelievably underfunded and overlooked. My mother nearly lost her house trying to afford my fathers treatment and the highest cost of all was just finding a way to communicate with him. Truly heartbreaking. This challange has gave hope to a lot of people. Not only ALS but all motor neuron diseases and neuro research. For the naysayers I pray you never have this touch your family because I have been hit with many diseases in our family. Breast, skin, colon cancer. Cystic Fibrosis etc... (all horrible) but this disease was very little known and there was no funding and NO HOPE. Most everyone knows what ALS is now and that makes me feel less alone in this battle and I pray we do not lose anymore family to this disease because I am not sure I can handle round three. There are many other devastating horrible diseases that get little to no press out there besides ALS. Guilting people publicly into donating to anything is never right. End of story.
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 27, 2014 20:49:06 GMT
Can you donate cash? My daughter did the challenge and we are going to donate. But I have had problems with charities sending up so many requests and they will use up my whole donation on mailings. So do they accept cash? Dumb question, but want to send money without giving an address. We stopped donating to Salvation Army because even though I called and said stop sending us stuff, we will donate once a year, they continued. Just pick up a money order at the grocery store or anywhere that offers them. That's what I've used for donations where I didn't want them to have my name and address to keep hounding me. Safer than sending cash.
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Post by Meri-Lyn on Aug 27, 2014 20:52:44 GMT
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Post by peasful1 on Aug 27, 2014 20:58:04 GMT
This... I have lost two members of my family to ALS. It was horrific. The suffering physically and emotionally is unprecedented. It is unbelievably underfunded and overlooked. My mother nearly lost her house trying to afford my fathers treatment and the highest cost of all was just finding a way to communicate with him. Truly heartbreaking. This challange has gave hope to a lot of people. Not only ALS but all motor neuron diseases and neuro research. For the naysayers I pray you never have this touch your family because I have been hit with many diseases in our family. Breast, skin, colon cancer. Cystic Fibrosis etc... (all horrible) but this disease was very little known and there was no funding and NO HOPE. Most everyone knows what ALS is now and that makes me feel less alone in this battle and I pray we do not lose anymore family to this disease because I am not sure I can handle round three. There are many other devastating horrible diseases that get little to no press out there besides ALS. Guilting people publicly into donating to anything is never right. End of story.
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Post by M in Carolina on Aug 27, 2014 21:41:13 GMT
I'm not a naysayer, I just didn't understand the point.
None of the tons of people on my facebook who have accepted the challenge said anything about actually DONATING money. The way they stated the challenge, you either donate OR dump ice water on yourself.
That's why I didn't understand, nobody said they were donating as well or at all. That's different. I'm glad for any horrible disease to garner more research money.
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Post by Pinky Zebra on Aug 27, 2014 22:17:41 GMT
Mike Rowe had an awesome response today. He addressed the high pressure participants. With class. I love him. I'll try to copy and paste. Off The Wall "Hey Mike!! Charlie Willis challenges you to do the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge! He did it & donated so come on!!!" Posted by Mary Willis "We’re waiting, Mr. Rowe. You’ve been challenged over and over. What’s the hold up??” Posted by Maxine Allen "I've challenged you twice now. Since you have not responded by video, I certainly hope you've already donated." Posted by Pia Yoacham "DUDE. ARE YOU GONNA TAKE THE CHALLENGE OR NOT!!!!!" Posted by Charlie Baker "It's my understanding the person challenged has 24 hours to respond. Wonder why the coyness? But, maybe the coyness is the answer...and the answer is No?” Posted by Wanda Manning Hi All, Since yesterday was apparently National Dog Day, (seriously?) and since my second-to-the-last post triggered a variety of observations around my apparent failure to “rise to challenge,” as it were, I’m weighing in with another image of young Freddy, who like his master, has decided to forego The ALS/Ice Bucket Challenge. I mean no disrespect to the 500 or so individuals who have publicly challenged me to participate. And God knows, I’m in near constant need of a cold shower. But as a guy who has represented some rather large, profitable companies while running a non-profit foundation, I’ve got some opinions on the subject of persuasion, especially as it applies to fundraising. And I’ve been struggling with how to share those thoughts in a way that will not make me look like a douche-bag. First of all, I tip my hat to the marketing genius that conceived of this device. Thanks to The Ice Bucket Challenge, The ALS Association has collected $75 million dollars in donations. That’s up from just $1.9 million over all of last year, for a 3,650% increase. That’s amazing, and totally unprecedented. And if we lived in a world of unlimited philanthropic resources, it would be fantastic news. But we don’t live in that world. We live in a world where generous people of finite means must allocate their charitable giving with discretion - in the same way they allocate all other expenditures. In this world, more money for ALS means less money for Heart Disease. More for Malaria means less for Diabetes. More for AIDS means less for Alzheimer’s. And so forth. It’s not exactly a zero sum game, but the cannibalism factor in charitable giving is a very serious problem. According to the experts, 50% to 70% of all the money collected as a result of the Ice Bucket Challenge will directly impact future contributions to other charities in an equal and opposite way. In other words, if The ALS Association collects a $100 million - as it’s on track to do - other charities competing for the same dollars will collect between $50 and $70 million LESS. Thus, the largest donations do not necessarily go to those charities that serve the most people or do the best research - they go to those that who market themselves in the most effective way. This informs the way I give, and the way I solicit. It’s one thing to sell cars or trucks or jeans or paper towels. God knows, I've been there, and I'm comfortable with the consequences of pushing one brand at the expense of another. But in the non-profit world, the stakes are bit higher. I’m reluctant to participate in a challenge that’s raising so much money for a small association, especially when it impacts other research that will eventually save the lives of millions. That's the cold and shitty calculus of charitable giving. Of course - I understand those who see it differently. If my Dad or my brother was among the 6,000 diagnosed with ALS every year, I’d be standing under a shower of freezing water, waving my checkbook in the air and challenging the world to get on board. I remember when my Mom was diagnosed with breast cancer - I would have done anything to fix it. In fact, I took off my pants and challenged the world to donate the cost of their favorite pair of jeans to help find a cure. I get it. But here’s the thing - if you decide to give charitably, it’s important to understand everything you can about the way your money is going to be spent. That’s not happening here. The spectacular success of the Ice Bucket Challenge is not the result of a conscious, collective commitment to rise up against a terrible scourge; it’s the result of a marketing campaign. Consequently, a foundation accustomed to working for decades on a million dollars or so in annual donations, will now have to manage a $75 million jackpot. That worries me, as it should anyone who has ever studied the fate of lottery winners. That’s not their fault, but it doesn’t change the situation, and I’m not inclined to challenge more people to send more money to coffers that are already overflowing. Some of you will remember a recent post about my friend, Jill Brown. Jill is a stuntwoman who got a brain tumor and lived to tell the tale. www.refinery29.com/2014/01/60263/brain-tumor-story Last year, she asked me to sponsor her in a walk to raise money for brain tumor research. She didn’t like asking, and I don’t blame her. Asking people for money is never fun. Even for a good cause. But Jill was very grateful for a second chance at life, and determined to support those suffering from the same condition that she overcame. So she personally called everyone she knew and explained why she walking, how the money that she raised would be used, and why the research was so important. Consequently, she raised a tidy sum for a great cause that was near and dear to her. Point is, Jill did several difficult things. She vowed to walk, at a time when walking wasn’t so easy. She committed her time, her energy, and her passion to a cause that mattered deeply to her. And most importantly, she made the whole thing personal. That made me want to help her. Not just because she's my friend - but because she was helping herself. The Ice Bucket Challenge is different. Here, people I’ve never met give me 24 hours to either write a check to a charity I’m not familiar with, or dump a bucket of cold water over my head. Tell me honestly - if that precise challenge arrived to you privately, via the US Mail, what would you do with it? You’d throw it in the trash, right? But a public challenge is not so easy to ignore. Online, everyone is watching. Your friends. Your co-workers. Your clients. Maybe even your boss. When it comes to asking people for help, I don’t like to put them in an awkward position. So the only challenge I’m issuing today is to Freddy. If he can refrain from peeing on the floor, I’ll send a check to the local shelter. Beyond that, I'm staying dry. Again - to anyone who’s been affected directly or indirectly by ALS, my heart goes out to you. And to those who challenged me personally, I know your heart’s in the right place. So I’m going to reserve the right to dump various substances over my head at a future date for whatever reason I deem appropriate, and encourage you all to ignore the gimmicks, get informed about the charities you wish to support, and contribute generously to whatever cause resonates with you. Mike
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Post by scrapsotime on Aug 27, 2014 22:41:20 GMT
Well said Mike. Did anyone else just read that whole thing and hear his voice?
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Post by M~ on Aug 27, 2014 22:49:08 GMT
Bravo, Mike.
I donate/contribute to causes that are dear to my heart for personal reasons. And, I WILL NEVER be pressured into donating to a charity.
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Post by schizo319 on Aug 27, 2014 22:52:07 GMT
YES! ETA: I love what one of the comments said "I don't always donate but when I do, it doesn't involve ice and I don't tell anyone."
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