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Post by peabay on Jul 29, 2017 23:25:24 GMT
It happened in the Spring in Central Islip NY. About 1/2 hour from my home. Google away. NY Republicans are so weird...they think that because it happened once in their tiny little part of the USA (much less world), that it happens like that everywhere. Lauren made these same types of claims, and had the same type of rapid posting "let me try to insult you" meltdowns that you're starting to have on this thread. I'm a CT Democrat (who grew up on LI) and what went on in Brentwood and CI was absolutely horrifying. "One of the victims, Jorge Tigre, a Bellport High School honor student, was not a gang member and allegedly became a target after he refused to associate with gang members following the murder of two girls in Brentwood, Nisa Mickens and Kayla Cuevas, who were murdered in September by MS-13 gang members with machetes, according to a Newsday report." So, no - it may not be happening everywhere and I don't doubt that Trump is using Long Island and MS-13 for his own delusional purposes, but don't the people being victimized deserve attention for this? |
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Post by lucyg on Jul 29, 2017 23:25:37 GMT
That's interesting. The IPA had been pretty supportive of him during the election. Maybe they're coming around now. I don't know Suffolk County, but it was probably their association, not the agency itself, that distanced itself from his remarks. Unless they have a particularly ballsy chief. I am pleased to say my police association did not support the election of the d-bag. I grew up in Suffolk County. I went to high school in Brentwood, where Trump visited yesterday. It was the Suffolk County Police Department that distanced itself: www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/29/suffolk_country_police_department_contradicts_trump_says_it_won_t_tolerate.htmlSince I posted, I've seen that not just Suffolk County but other agencies have renounced Trump's message. Very pleased to see it happening. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 23:31:02 GMT
May I suggest you try getting in the back of a car with hands handcuffed behind you and then come back and make the statement "if a criminal can't get into the back of a car handcuffed" with a straight face so to speak. I would also like to remind you that just because one is arrested does not mean they are guilty of anything. You know that saying "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law"? Either this country lives by it or they don't but you can't drag it out or ignore it when it suits your purpose. Therefore there is no reason for any officer or officers to mistreat anyone they have in handcuffs or even in the process of the arrest just because they can. The police are suppose to be better than the alleged criminals they arrest. "Coming back with a straight face" as per your request. No problem - bend at the waist and duck your head. Now if it was an SUV probably could not have done it. Have you ever done it with your hands tied behind your back? Or you just think you know? |
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Post by mnmloveli on Jul 29, 2017 23:35:48 GMT
"Coming back with a straight face" as per your request. No problem - bend at the waist and duck your head. Now if it was an SUV probably could not have done it. Have you ever done it with your hands tied behind your back? Or you just think you know? Told you ... "coming back with a straight face" as per your request. Did it. Bent at waste & ducked my head. No problem. Not comfortable. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 23:42:01 GMT
Have you ever done it with your hands tied behind your back? Or you just think you know? Told you ... "coming back with a straight face" as per your request. Did it. Bent at waste & ducked my head. No problem. Not comfortable. Ok fair enough. Now can you confirm everyone who has their hands tied behind them can get into the backseat of any type of police car without bumping their heads? |
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Post by mnmloveli on Jul 29, 2017 23:46:22 GMT
Told you ... "coming back with a straight face" as per your request. Did it. Bent at waste & ducked my head. No problem. Not comfortable. Ok fair enough. Now can you confirm everyone who has their hands tied behind them can get into the backseat of any type of police car without bumping their heads? Can you confirm EVERYONE who gets into the back of a any car WITHOUT HANDCUFFS won't bump their heads ? |
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Post by Zee on Jul 29, 2017 23:58:01 GMT
FTW!  Really? I win on a Trump thread? Yay me. Oooh, zing! What a burn Seriously, don't give up your day job. You'll need the insurance to cover that stick-ectomy you need on your ass. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 0:02:22 GMT
Ok fair enough. Now can you confirm everyone who has their hands tied behind them can get into the backseat of any type of police car without bumping their heads? Can you confirm EVERYONE who gets into the back of a any car WITHOUT HANDCUFFS won't bump their heads ? Don't know. But I do know as one gets older things you were able to do without thinking about it change and it's not quite that easy anymore. And what may be easy for you may not be for the next person. But there is a very good reason why the police should continue to guide their heads as they get into the back of a car. And that is not to give these individuals any reason to scream "police brutality". I imagine if someone like trump were to get arrested and the arresting officer didn't guide trump's head as he got in the back of the car and he whacked it I'd hear him yelling "police brutality" all the way out here in sunny California. He's just that type. |
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jul 30, 2017 0:24:06 GMT
You are not understanding. The president of the United States of America advocated for police brutality. Even if every single person the police arrested was completely guilty of heinous acts of violence, it is NOT the job of the police officers to punish them for their alleged crimes. President Trump didn't say "punish them". President Trump did not advocated "police brutality". President Trump said "don't be nice to them" That's a big difference ! You're wrong, plain and simple. He flat out said to be rough with them. He said "Don't be too nice." He said don't cover and protect their head when putting them into a police car when they are cuffed and under arrest. He said to throw them in the truck. How bad does violence have to be before you call it police brutality? And would you be okay if your own child was treated in that rough manner? Or are you of a mind that it could never be your child? |
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jul 30, 2017 0:28:49 GMT
This is what he said: ""Like when you guys put somebody in the car and you're protecting their head," Trump continued. "The way you put their hand over — like, don't hit their head and they just killed somebody, don't hit their head. I said, 'You can take the hand away, OK?'"" So basically he's saying it's OK to hit the criminals head as they're placed into the squad car. Read for yourself: www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-police-don-t-be-too-nice-suspects-n787646 I watched President Trump's whole speech. He didn't say to hit their head; he said take your hand away. Two VERY DIFFERENT things. If a criminal can't get into the back of a car handcuffed........ I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. First, you are assuming that every person arrested is a criminal. Second, can you honestly say, "If my child can't get into the back of a car handcuffed......... I see absolutely nothing wrong with that." ? If you can't, then you should not be okay with anyone else being treated in such a way. |
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Post by mnmloveli on Jul 30, 2017 0:31:02 GMT
President Trump didn't say "punish them". President Trump did not advocated "police brutality". President Trump said "don't be nice to them" That's a big difference ! You're wrong, plain and simple. He flat out said to be rough with them. He said "Don't be too nice." He said don't cover and protect their head when putting them into a police car when they are cuffed and under arrest. He said to throw them in the truck. How bad does violence have to be before you call it police brutality? And would you be okay if your own child was treated in that rough manner? Or are you of a mind that it could never be your child? If my child was caught killing & dismembering a body, either by the police or on surveillance camera, I would be fine with perfectly normal treatment of getting into the back of a car handcuffed by yourself. |
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jul 30, 2017 0:39:48 GMT
You're wrong, plain and simple. He flat out said to be rough with them. He said "Don't be too nice." He said don't cover and protect their head when putting them into a police car when they are cuffed and under arrest. He said to throw them in the truck. How bad does violence have to be before you call it police brutality? And would you be okay if your own child was treated in that rough manner? Or are you of a mind that it could never be your child? If my child was caught killing & dismembering a body, either by the police or on surveillance camera, I would be fine with perfectly normal treatment of getting into the back of a car handcuffed by yourself. Every single person arrested has not been caught guilty of killing and dismembering. You are being ridiculous just to be "right." Or your version of it. Our president is incompetent and proves it daily. I am proud to not be a supporter of Trump. |
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Post by mnmloveli on Jul 30, 2017 0:51:51 GMT
If my child was caught killing & dismembering a body, either by the police or on surveillance camera, I would be fine with perfectly normal treatment of getting into the back of a car handcuffed by yourself. Every single person arrested has not been caught guilty of killing and dismembering. You are being ridiculous just to be "right." Or your version of it. Our president is incompetent and proves it daily. I am proud to not be a supporter of Trump. The MS-13 Gang in Brentwood / Central Islip, New York are noted for killing and dismembering all their victims. At least that's what the press reports. Then again, we all know how honest the press is. |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jul 30, 2017 0:56:29 GMT
Let Me Google That for YouOn the Quora site, the third answer down (from David) nicely sums up the reasons given by cops on several other sites I just skimmed - reasons that benefit one or the other person. The only thing he doesn't mention is that your body tends to follow where your head is going; hence, more control by the cop and less chance of the detainee resisting or running Also, I'm astonished by the argument here that bending and ducking are the only physical requirements to enter the back seat of a car. Both actions require balance. We use our arms to provide balance and counterweight. Next, the president will announce that it's dumb to give a paper towel to an arrestee after taking his fingerprints...and somebody here will argue that the prisoner is perfectly capable of licking the ink off.
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 30, 2017 1:01:00 GMT
Have you ever done it with your hands tied behind your back? Or you just think you know? Told you ... "coming back with a straight face" as per your request. Did it. Bent at waste & ducked my head. No problem. Not comfortable. How tall are you/what's your body shape? Because I'm 4'10" and weigh 90 lbs, and I'm sure I could do it with no problem. My 6' 275 lb husband could not.
I can't believe there's an argument going on about the semantics of police putting their hand on a suspect's head while assisting them into the car.
With all the cases of police brutality and news stories about unnecessary officer-involved shootings, it's just freaking stupid for anyone to even give the hint that police should be anything but 100% professional.
Sorta like hiring people with Russian ties to be the high ranking officials in his administration while there's a very public investigation of his own Russian ties.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 30, 2017 1:08:09 GMT
Every single person arrested has not been caught guilty of killing and dismembering. You are being ridiculous just to be "right." Or your version of it. Our president is incompetent and proves it daily. I am proud to not be a supporter of Trump. The MS-13 Gang in Brentwood / Central Islip, New York are noted for killing and dismembering all their victims. At least that's what the press reports. Then again, we all know how honest the press is. Yes, we do. Way, way, WAY more honest than Trump. One of these days, you're going to regret that blind devotion to such a lying, crooked, ignorant, incompetent, impulsive, and self-absorbed (jeez, what an awful combination of traits) petty dictator. By then it may be too late for all of us. See ya on the other side. Wait, are you the one who said you get your jollies by watching Democrats (and I've got news for you, plenty of Republicans, too) weep over his destruction of our norms and traditions? Never mind, you're clearly beyond redemption. |
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 30, 2017 1:08:45 GMT
So what's the obvious thing that's going to result from this? More violence toward police. And as the family member of an Hispanic police officer who's beat includes the line at which the Hispanic "hood" meets the African-American "hood", this is pretty personal for me. He's already been shot once, still carries one of the bullets and is lucky to be alive. He's married and has two teen daughters, one of which is quite mentally disabled. We'd really like to keep him around.
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Post by auntviv on Jul 30, 2017 1:12:49 GMT
Let Me Google That for YouOn the Quora site, the third answer down (from David) nicely sums up the reasons given by cops on several other sites I just skimmed - reasons that benefit one or the other person. The only thing he doesn't mention is that your body tends to follow where your head is going; hence, more control by the cop and less chance of the detainee resisting or running Also, I'm astonished by the argument here that bending and ducking are the only physical requirements to enter the back seat of a car. Both actions require balance. We use our arms to provide balance and counterweight. Next, the president will announce that it's dumb to give a paper towel to an arrestee after taking his fingerprints...and somebody here will argue that the prisoner is perfectly capable of licking the ink off. I can think of at least one pea who be fine with prisoners licking the ink off. |
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Post by mnmloveli on Jul 30, 2017 1:23:37 GMT
The MS-13 Gang in Brentwood / Central Islip, New York are noted for killing and dismembering all their victims. At least that's what the press reports. Then again, we all know how honest the press is. Yes, we do. Way, way, WAY more honest than Trump. One of these days, you're going to regret that blind devotion to such a lying, crooked, ignorant, incompetent, impulsive, and self-absorbed (jeez, what an awful combination of traits) petty dictator. By then it may be too late for all of us. See ya on the other side. Wait, are you the one who said you get your jollies by watching Democrats (and I've got news for you, plenty of Republicans, too) weep over his destruction of our norms and traditions? Never mind, you're clearly beyond redemption. Beyond redemption ? That's your opinion and everyone has one. Me and millions of other people. |
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Post by lucyg on Jul 30, 2017 1:30:15 GMT
It's futile to argue with this poster. She advocated having government agencies like ICE and the IRS come after people who disagree with Dear Leader. I always wondered what kind of people helped Hitler come to power. Now I know. Those who are weak of mind and terrified of those who are different. Their fearful hearts and tiny brains make them pliant, rabid defenders of any despot who promises them whatever appeals to their dark little souls. #MAGA!! [ Please reference me correctly. I was referring to Kathy Griffin at the time. I said if I worked for the IRS and her tax return came across my desk and I had a choice to audit or not audit, I would 100% audit her. I don't post much on the political threads but I SOOOO ENJOY seeing all the President Trump haters soooooo upset. Me along with millions of others. Please continue to make my day ! Yep, there it is. Nice. You do realize there are a lot more of us than there are of you, right? Wait, you aren't getting your "news" from Trump's twitter feed, are you?  Okay, one last thing. If Trump's remarks at Suffolk County were so innocent, why are police agencies all over the country trying to distance themselves from his speech and reemphasize that they do not condone or allow police brutality? Do you think that they, like all of us foolish Trump haters, have misinterpreted his words? You're the only one who got it right? |
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Post by mnmloveli on Jul 30, 2017 1:30:30 GMT
So what's the obvious thing that's going to result from this? More violence toward police. And as the family member of an Hispanic police officer who's beat includes the line at which the Hispanic "hood" meets the African-American "hood", this is pretty personal for me. He's already been shot once, still carries one of the bullets and is lucky to be alive. He's married and has two teen daughters, one of which is quite mentally disabled. We'd really like to keep him around. I thank your family member for his dedication to trying to keep the peace on the streets. In these United States today and the past few years, I'm sure he knows the hatred against cops is rampant and disgusting. I have 5 family members that are police officers so I know first-hand the craziness out there. The topic of this thread was talking about the MS-13 Gang violence in particular. |
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Post by mnmloveli on Jul 30, 2017 1:33:17 GMT
[ Please reference me correctly. I was referring to Kathy Griffin at the time. I said if I worked for the IRS and her tax return came across my desk and I had a choice to audit or not audit, I would 100% audit her. I don't post much on the political threads but I SOOOO ENJOY seeing all the President Trump haters soooooo upset. Me along with millions of others. Please continue to make my day ! Yep, there it is. Nice. You do realize there are a lot more of us than there are of you, right? Wait, you aren't getting your "news" from Trump's twitter feed, are you? Okay, one last thing. If Trump's remarks at Suffolk County were so innocent, why are police agencies all over the country trying to distance themselves from his speech and reemphasize that they do not condone or allow police brutality? Do you think that they, like all of us foolish Trump haters, have misinterpreted his words? You're the only one who got it right? All the police departments out there need to protect themselves everyday from all the police-hating citizens just looking for any reason for a law suit. By emphasizing their belief in not condoning violence they're trying to keep the peace. The troublemakers in the world will still continue to fight the police everyday and cause havoc as they have for years. |
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Post by lucyg on Jul 30, 2017 1:37:39 GMT
Yep, there it is. Nice. You do realize there are a lot more of us than there are of you, right? Wait, you aren't getting your "news" from Trump's twitter feed, are you? Okay, one last thing. If Trump's remarks at Suffolk County were so innocent, why are police agencies all over the country trying to distance themselves from his speech and reemphasize that they do not condone or allow police brutality? Do you think that they, like all of us foolish Trump haters, have misinterpreted his words? You're the only one who got it right? All the police departments out there need to protect themselves everyday from all the police-hating citizens just looking for any reason for a law suit. The police departments I know are more honorable than that. No honest law enforcement officer could listen to his ignorant drivel and not be embarrassed. I don't know, maybe it's different on the East Coast. |
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Post by lucyg on Jul 30, 2017 1:39:50 GMT
Yep, there it is. Nice. You do realize there are a lot more of us than there are of you, right? Wait, you aren't getting your "news" from Trump's twitter feed, are you? Okay, one last thing. If Trump's remarks at Suffolk County were so innocent, why are police agencies all over the country trying to distance themselves from his speech and reemphasize that they do not condone or allow police brutality? Do you think that they, like all of us foolish Trump haters, have misinterpreted his words? You're the only one who got it right? All the police departments out there need to protect themselves everyday from all the police-hating citizens just looking for any reason for a law suit. By emphasizing their belief in not condoning violence they're trying to keep the peace. The troublemakers in the world will still continue to fight the police everyday and cause havoc as they have for years. Well, now you changed your answer. Yes, of course they want to keep the peace. Do you think they routinely have to disavow statements made by the president? |
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Post by mnmloveli on Jul 30, 2017 1:52:40 GMT
All the police departments out there need to protect themselves everyday from all the police-hating citizens just looking for any reason for a law suit. By emphasizing their belief in not condoning violence they're trying to keep the peace. The troublemakers in the world will still continue to fight the police everyday and cause havoc as they have for years. Well, now you changed your answer. Yes, of course they want to keep the peace. Do you think they routinely have to disavow statements made by the president? I didn't change my response. I added to it. No matter what President Trump says or the police departments, the police haters and criminals will continue to find fault where there is none. It's been happening for years and us not getting better. Something needs to change. Look at Chicago, they don't have time to scream police brutality - they're just trying to kill each other off; multiple people getting shot every weekend. Last weekend or perhaps it was 2 weeks ago, 50-60 people were shot in one weekend in Chicago. And the police should be gentle with these crazies ? |
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Post by peatlejuice on Jul 30, 2017 2:36:33 GMT
NY Republicans are so weird...they think that because it happened once in their tiny little part of the USA (much less world), that it happens like that everywhere. Lauren made these same types of claims, and had the same type of rapid posting "let me try to insult you" meltdowns that you're starting to have on this thread. I'm a CT Democrat (who grew up on LI) and what went on in Brentwood and CI was absolutely horrifying. "One of the victims, Jorge Tigre, a Bellport High School honor student, was not a gang member and allegedly became a target after he refused to associate with gang members following the murder of two girls in Brentwood, Nisa Mickens and Kayla Cuevas, who were murdered in September by MS-13 gang members with machetes, according to a Newsday report." So, no - it may not be happening everywhere and I don't doubt that Trump is using Long Island and MS-13 for his own delusional purposes, but don't the people being victimized deserve attention for this? I feel for the victims, but honestly, I'd rather they not get attention than have Trump and his merry band of weird supporters use one gang and their brutal methods as a reason to promote police brutality and insinuate that all gangs use the same methods. I would feel the same way if I were related to a victim - I wouldn't want the death of my loved one to be used as a political tool for fear-mongering. Sorry if that's heartless of me, but that's my position and I own it. |
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Post by lucyg on Jul 30, 2017 2:52:07 GMT
Well, now you changed your answer. Yes, of course they want to keep the peace. Do you think they routinely have to disavow statements made by the president? I didn't change my response. I added to it. No matter what President Trump says or the police departments, the police haters and criminals will continue to find fault where there is none. It's been happening for years and us not getting better. Something needs to change. Look at Chicago, they don't have time to scream police brutality - they're just trying to kill each other off; multiple people getting shot every weekend. Last weekend or perhaps it was 2 weeks ago, 50-60 people were shot in one weekend in Chicago. And the police should be gentle with these crazies ? The police should follow the law. They should absolutely protect themselves and the community, but they don't have to be abusive to do that. |
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 30, 2017 3:29:11 GMT
I'm a CT Democrat (who grew up on LI) and what went on in Brentwood and CI was absolutely horrifying. "One of the victims, Jorge Tigre, a Bellport High School honor student, was not a gang member and allegedly became a target after he refused to associate with gang members following the murder of two girls in Brentwood, Nisa Mickens and Kayla Cuevas, who were murdered in September by MS-13 gang members with machetes, according to a Newsday report." So, no - it may not be happening everywhere and I don't doubt that Trump is using Long Island and MS-13 for his own delusional purposes, but don't the people being victimized deserve attention for this? I feel for the victims, but honestly, I'd rather they not get attention than have Trump and his merry band of weird supporters use one gang and their brutal methods as a reason to promote police brutality and insinuate that all gangs use the same methods. I would feel the same way if I were related to a victim - I wouldn't want the death of my loved one to be used as a political tool for fear-mongering. Sorry if that's heartless of me, but that's my position and I own it. Worth repeating! |
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 30, 2017 3:45:20 GMT
So what's the obvious thing that's going to result from this? More violence toward police. And as the family member of an Hispanic police officer who's beat includes the line at which the Hispanic "hood" meets the African-American "hood", this is pretty personal for me. He's already been shot once, still carries one of the bullets and is lucky to be alive. He's married and has two teen daughters, one of which is quite mentally disabled. We'd really like to keep him around. I thank your family member for his dedication to trying to keep the peace on the streets. In these United States today and the past few years, I'm sure he knows the hatred against cops is rampant and disgusting. I have 5 family members that are police officers so I know first-hand the craziness out there. The topic of this thread was talking about the MS-13 Gang violence in particular. I appreciate your comment about my family member, and I return it for yours. The police chief in his city is being very proactive about officer/community relations and has had several very successful events for that purpose. He's focusing on the positive and hope for the future and has been very well-received. The subject of this thread is about the president of the united states publicly encouraging police officers to ingore protocol set in place for the safety and rights of the public. He may have been referring to a specific group of "the public", but with the way tensions are in the country right now, it doesn't take rocket science to figure out that the folks who already have ill regard for LE aren't going to look at it as being directed at only the one specific gang. The general public heard "you can be rough with them" and that's it. |
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 30, 2017 3:47:32 GMT
I really don't think that most cops will listen to Trump as a moral guide. I think cops tend to have their own code of ethics that they follow. Most good, some bad.
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