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Post by Merge on Aug 5, 2017 1:00:32 GMT
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smginaz Suzy
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Aug 5, 2017 1:03:52 GMT
Dang.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 1:04:48 GMT
She said "fisk" which means any point-by-point (attempt at) refutation of the other guy's argument. That's hardly unhinged.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Aug 5, 2017 1:08:24 GMT
Tom Seleck aka Richard and Magnum, PI is a card carrying member. I loved Richard. But not if he belongs to the NRA.
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Post by prapea on Aug 5, 2017 1:11:58 GMT
"Democrat overlords"...whatintheactualfuck?
Does she not realize that plenty of democrats own guns and are members of NRA?
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Post by Merge on Aug 5, 2017 1:14:06 GMT
She said "fisk" which means any point-by-point (attempt at) refutation of the other guy's argument. That's hardly unhinged. Yes, I'm sure the confusion between that and "fist" was totally unintentional, given the prominent use of the word fist in the last ad and the fact that fisk is not a word in wide usage. Taking a page from Trump's book of plausible deniability. Even without the word, the tone and message are distinctly threatening, particularly when you consider that the messagers always make a big deal out of being armed. If threatening the free press in that tone and manner isn't unhinged to you, we have distinctly different definitions of the word.
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Post by busy on Aug 5, 2017 1:17:04 GMT
She said "fisk" which means any point-by-point (attempt at) refutation of the other guy's argument. That's hardly unhinged. That one word is not what makes it unhinged. The whole damn video is crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 1:26:39 GMT
She said "fisk" which means any point-by-point (attempt at) refutation of the other guy's argument. That's hardly unhinged. Yes, I'm sure the confusion between that and "fist" was totally unintentional, given the prominent use of the word fist in the last ad and the fact that fisk is not a word in wide usage. Taking a page from Trump's book of plausible deniability. Even without the word, the tone and message are distinctly threatening, particularly when you consider that the messagers always make a big deal out of being armed. If threatening the free press in that tone and manner isn't unhinged to you, we have distinctly different definitions of the word. The fist is from the anti-Trump "Resistance Movement" themselves, so if you have a problem with the fist, take it up with them. She did say she would refute their argument point by point and I don't see that as unhinged.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 5, 2017 1:33:30 GMT
She said "fisk" which means any point-by-point (attempt at) refutation of the other guy's argument. That's hardly unhinged. Yes, I'm sure the confusion between that and "fist" was totally unintentional, given the prominent use of the word fist in the last ad and the fact that fisk is not a word in wide usage. Taking a page from Trump's book of plausible deniability. Even without the word, the tone and message are distinctly threatening, particularly when you consider that the messagers always make a big deal out of being armed. If threatening the free press in that tone and manner isn't unhinged to you, we have distinctly different definitions of the word. What's hilarious (and so totally typical and hypocritical of the unhinged conservatives) is that they are not tolerant of those who have a different viewpoint than theirs. It's THEY who determine what is TRUTH and right from wrong and they, by God, are going to cram it down everyone else's' throats whether you like it or not, making threats (typical unhinged conservative motive) and dammit, they WIL BE listened to and obeyed, because you know, they have guns and stuff!
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Post by Merge on Aug 5, 2017 1:37:24 GMT
Yes, I'm sure the confusion between that and "fist" was totally unintentional, given the prominent use of the word fist in the last ad and the fact that fisk is not a word in wide usage. Taking a page from Trump's book of plausible deniability. Even without the word, the tone and message are distinctly threatening, particularly when you consider that the messagers always make a big deal out of being armed. If threatening the free press in that tone and manner isn't unhinged to you, we have distinctly different definitions of the word. The fist is from the anti-Trump "Resistance Movement" themselves, so if you have a problem with the fist, take it up with them. She did say she would refute their argument point by point and I don't see that as unhinged. "The clenched fist of truth" is straight from the first NRA ad. I'm not surprised that you would refuse to see the inherent threat of violence here. Typical.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 5, 2017 1:43:43 GMT
The fist is from the anti-Trump "Resistance Movement" themselves, so if you have a problem with the fist, take it up with them. She did say she would refute their argument point by point and I don't see that as unhinged. "The clenched fist of truth" is straight from the first NRA ad. I'm not surprised that you would refuse to see the inherent threat of violence here. Typical. Ain't that the truth!
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Post by librarylady on Aug 5, 2017 2:07:18 GMT
Well, the NRA has to do SOMETHING to get attention because they can't cry, "Trump is going to get your guns" the way they did with Obabma for 8 years.
I also saw that gun sales are down now that the perceived threat is gone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 2:11:41 GMT
The fist is from the anti-Trump "Resistance Movement" themselves, so if you have a problem with the fist, take it up with them. She did say she would refute their argument point by point and I don't see that as unhinged. "The clenched fist of truth" is straight from the first NRA ad. I'm not surprised that you would refuse to see the inherent threat of violence here. Typical. It was used in reference to the fist from the anti-Trump "Resistance Movement" themselves.
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Post by jayfab on Aug 5, 2017 4:21:26 GMT
Shit - I could almost see spittle coming from her mouth. She is totally unhinged.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 5, 2017 11:38:05 GMT
That woman is definitely unhinged. R's have the presidency, Congress, and majority of governorships. They have a strong media presence. But that's not enough, apparently. They dislike reporting when it reveals the slimy underbelly of their leader, who cannot stop tweeting or talking.
I heard Limbaugh complaining the Trump's agenda is being thwarted, and he's angry about it. What a hypocrite! He chortled about R's obstructing Obama. It's only bad when it affects what he wants, I guess.
Honestly, they have everything, and they are still complaining. I guess that they want the rest of us to fall in line. Not gonna happen, Trumpsters. Not now, not ever.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 5, 2017 12:34:19 GMT
That woman is definitely unhinged. R's have the presidency, Congress, and majority of governorships. They have a strong media presence. But that's not enough, apparently. They dislike reporting when it reveals the slimy underbelly of their leader, who cannot stop tweeting or talking. I heard Limbaugh complaining the Trump's agenda is being thwarted, and he's angry about it. What a hypocrite! He chortled about R's obstructing Obama. It's only bad when it affects what he wants, I guess. Honestly, they have everything, and they are still complaining. I guess that they want the rest of us to fall in line. Not gonna happen, Trumpsters. Not now, not ever. There are many NRA members who are outraged with these ads. Most can see that they are just pandering to Trumps base and to keep inciting them and ensuring that division is always there. When you think about it, there isn't much press on the 2nd Amendment right now, so the NRA is trying to keep a fire lit to stay relevant.
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Post by pyccku on Aug 5, 2017 13:11:41 GMT
It's really good marketing. Fire up the Trump people - the evil liberals need to be killed! You need a gun!
Fire up the liberals - the Trumpists want to kill you! You need a gun to protect yourself!
End results - twice as many people 'needing' guns = twice as many possible gun sales.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 13:26:51 GMT
It's really good marketing. Fire up the Trump people - the evil liberals need to be killed! You need a gun! Fire up the liberals - the Trumpists want to kill you! You need a gun to protect yourself! End results - twice as many people 'needing' guns = twice as many possible gun sales. Never forget the NRA is largely a gun manufacturers lobby co-opted from and masquerading as a gun owners group. "In its early days, the National Rifle Association was a grassroots social club that prided itself on independence from corporate influence. While that is still part of the organization's core function, today less than half of the NRA's revenues come from program fees and membership dues. The bulk of the group's money now comes in the form of contributions, grants, royalty income, and advertising, much of it originating from gun industry sources." www.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1
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Post by katybee on Aug 5, 2017 14:03:55 GMT
It's comical. It's ridiculous. All this anger over a newspaper. They (both Trump and the NRA) wouldn't be so mad if the NYT wasn't speaking the truth...
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 5, 2017 14:43:01 GMT
"Democrat overlords"...whatintheactualfuck? Does she not realize that plenty of democrats own guns and are members of NRA? This is the thing that baffles me. I do know a good number of pretty liberalish democrats who own guns for a variety of reasons-hunting, sport, home protection...whatever. Ads like the ones that the NRA are putting out do nothing but alienate those that are not opposed to gun ownership and also believe in sensible ownership regulations. They are more worried about being lumped in with the crazies. I have told this story before but not too that long ago my whole family was hanging around my mom's kitchen. We are, for the most part, a pretty liberal group. And as we were all sitting around stuffing our faces with the bounty that is my mom's cooking, we had a 20 minute discussion on the strengths and weaknesses of various guns for home protection. We are a-okay with the guns, and we are a-okay with sensible rules regulating that ownership. We were not afraid President Obama would take them away, we are not ready to defend ourselves from "THE FEDS." We may want a gun for home protection, we may want a gun for target shooting, we may want a gun for hunting...and we are the ones that are really not okay with ads like these because ultimately what it does is deepen the divide between the sides making it so no one is ever able to sit at the same table and serious discussions about what we have in common rather than what we don't.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 5, 2017 14:47:53 GMT
It's really good marketing. Fire up the Trump people - the evil liberals need to be killed! You need a gun! Fire up the liberals - the Trumpists want to kill you! You need a gun to protect yourself! End results - twice as many people 'needing' guns = twice as many possible gun sales. Exactly! I'm guessing and willing to bet that the gun suppliers, shop owners, dealers are all boo-hoping to the NRA demanding that they "do something" to help better their sales.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 5, 2017 14:56:07 GMT
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Post by casii on Aug 5, 2017 15:13:52 GMT
To put it in base terms, the NRA is coming across as batshit crazy to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 15:23:39 GMT
Care to explain @mytnice why Trump did it, with family approval in the background, at his inauguration.
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 5, 2017 15:23:46 GMT
If someone can't see that NRA is coming across as unhinged in that ad, then they are blind and it's not worth it to engage them over this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 18:06:05 GMT
Care to explain @mytnice why Trump did it, with family approval in the background, at his inauguration. It's a classic symbol/gesture for "power" and/or "resistance". And despite the objection that the Resist Movement is using it, they are. Google for yourself if you need to, but to call it bullshit is completely irrational. Adam Lambert
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 18:11:33 GMT
If someone can't see that NRA is coming across as unhinged in that ad, then they are blind and it's not worth it to engage them over this. It's absolutely astonishing that some of you just. can. not. fathom. anyone seeing it differently than you do and not being wrong. That you just can not fathom that your opinion is not the only correct opinion. Or that you might even be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 18:18:07 GMT
Care to explain @mytnice why Trump did it, with family approval in the background, at his inauguration. It's a classic symbol/gesture for "power" and/or "resistance". And despite the objection that the Resist Movement is using it, they are. Google for yourself if you need to, but to call it bullshit is completely irrational. You didn't answer the question.I didn't ask what symbol/gesture it stood for or who else uses it. and don't put words in my mouth........ I didn't say anything about it being bullshit, I also don't need to Google it either.
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Post by busy on Aug 5, 2017 18:23:13 GMT
If someone can't see that NRA is coming across as unhinged in that ad, then they are blind and it's not worth it to engage them over this. It's absolutely astonishing that some of you just. can. not. fathom. anyone seeing it differently than you do and not being wrong. That you just can not fathom that your opinion is not the only correct opinion. Or that you might even be wrong. It’s not that she’s presenting an opinion I disagree with. It’s the way she’s doing it. The words that have been chosen, the tone of her voice and so on. She comes across as unstable and potentially violent. I’d say the same about anyone - including someone speaking about an opinion I strongly supported - that spoke like this and selected incendiary language like this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 18:29:01 GMT
It's a classic symbol/gesture for "power" and/or "resistance". And despite the objection that the Resist Movement is using it, they are. Google for yourself if you need to, but to call it bullshit is completely irrational. You didn't answer the question.I didn't ask what symbol/gesture it stood for or who else uses it. and don't put words in my mouth........ I didn't say anything about it being bullshit, I also don't need to Google it either. I don't know why Trump did it or why you think I would know. I also didn't put a single word in your mouth, someone on this thread did say it was bullshit. I was responding to that.
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