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Post by imsirius on Sept 7, 2017 11:50:11 GMT
Politico.... "GOP livid after Trump cuts deal with Democrats politi.co/2eLMzoH" This is funny on so many levels. Don't get me wrong I'm glad he cut a deal. Trump's day as a dem. "President Trump played Democratic Party president today. He gave Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer everything they hoped for and sent Republican leaders spiraling into anger and disbelief." www.axios.com/trump-democrat-for-a-day-2482296772.htmlI'm a little leery at why he (Trump) is all of a sudden being agreeable and playing nice with the Dems. What is his angle here? look good before the shit comes pouring down?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 17:14:44 GMT
From Kurt Eichenwald...
"His 4th version of story
Trump Jr. says he wanted Russian dirt on Hillary to judge if she was ‘fit’ to be president"
I had some choice words to say about this idiot but a response to Kurt's tweet, I think, says it best.
"LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL And he's too dumb to even know why this is so F'in funny"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 17:26:26 GMT
I'm a little leery at why he (Trump) is all of a sudden being agreeable and playing nice with the Dems. What is his angle here? look good before the shit comes pouring down? He did it for 2 reasons in my opinion. 1. He's desperate for a "deal" that's positive. Increasing the debt ceiling and passing aid for Harvey without a lot of trade offs is a win. 2. He sent a message to the Republicans to get their shit together or he will go where he can get the deal done. On paper with a majority the Republicans should be able to pass their agenda without too much trouble. In reality it ain't working that way.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 7, 2017 17:47:34 GMT
since he's passed himself off as such a great deal-maker for so long, he needed to make a deal somewhere!
plus, he's not really a Republican, anyway-- he's all about the 'party of Trump' so whatever gives him good press, in my opinion, is what he'll do.
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Post by imsirius on Sept 7, 2017 18:47:52 GMT
Trump at press conference with the president of Kuwait.
"We kill Isis. We have done more about Isis or terrorism than any other president in history. More in the last 8 months than the last 8 years!"
Really? Capturing Bin Laden wasn't "anything?" Capturing Hussein wasn't anything?"
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 7, 2017 19:21:16 GMT
Trump at press conference with the president of Kuwait. "We kill Isis. We have done more about Isis or terrorism than any other president in history. More in the last 8 months than the last 8 years!" Really? Capturing Bin Laden wasn't "anything?" Capturing Hussein wasn't anything?" Yeah my kids will be happy to know their dad's 5 deployments to Afghanistan were doing nothing!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 0:19:30 GMT
Fox News....
"EXCLUSIVE: @speakerryan: "The House has been more productive than any Congress in the modern era." #TheStory fxn.ws/2vQWh0v"
Well you can sure tell Ryan has been around trump and his alternative facts way too long.
🚫 # MAGA
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Post by hop2 on Sept 8, 2017 13:50:13 GMT
I'm a little leery at why he (Trump) is all of a sudden being agreeable and playing nice with the Dems. What is his angle here? look good before the shit comes pouring down? he needs to look like he wins. So if the Dems can deliver he will go with them. He never gave a fuck about the republicans or the conservatives. He cares about himself. He cares if it looks like HE wins and he will strive for that appearance with whomever can deliver it. For a man who claims to value loyalty from others his only loyalty is to himself ( and maybe his kids ) He has always been this way, if the republicans are shocked that's on them not vetting thier candidate properly
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 8, 2017 14:18:15 GMT
From Kurt Eichenwald... "His 4th version of story Trump Jr. says he wanted Russian dirt on Hillary to judge if she was ‘fit’ to be president" I had some choice words to say about this idiot but a response to Kurt's tweet, I think, says it best. "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL And he's too dumb to even know why this is so F'in funny" Yes, because the son of the opposing candidate is the one we look to for the objectivity to assess presidential fitness? The namesake scion of the Trump business dynasty is the one who understands issues of character, integrity and ethics? The man raised in Donald Trump's image understands - what? - public service?...fair play? The goofball with the hereditary hairtrigger Twitter finger has demonstrated a talent for honest evaluation? Besides, they'd already repeatedly declared HRC unfit. This isn't exactly a group of people that presses PAUSE long enough to verify anything. This president infuriates me, but his sons are extra special galling. "Good, smart genes," indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 16:21:33 GMT
Kurt Eichenwald...
"Amazing. @speakerryan thinks the minimum wage should not be raised. But when asked, he doesn't know how much it is. Let them eat cake."
Ryan really is clueless when it comes to the poor. But I bet you he can rattle off the current tax rate for the rich.
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Post by casii on Sept 8, 2017 17:10:56 GMT
From Kurt Eichenwald... "His 4th version of story Trump Jr. says he wanted Russian dirt on Hillary to judge if she was ‘fit’ to be president" I had some choice words to say about this idiot but a response to Kurt's tweet, I think, says it best. "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL And he's too dumb to even know why this is so F'in funny" Yes, because the son of the opposing candidate is the one we look to for the objectivity to assess presidential fitness? The namesake scion of the Trump business dynasty is the one who understands issues of character, integrity and ethics? The man raised in Donald Trump's image understands - what? - public service?...fair play? The goofball with the hereditary hairtrigger Twitter finger has demonstrated a talent for honest evaluation? Besides, they'd already repeatedly declared HRC unfit. This isn't exactly a group of people that presses PAUSE long enough to verify anything. This president infuriates me, but his sons are extra special galling. "Good, smart genes," indeed. Some people lie so habitually, they don't know what the truth is. I have little doubt that most of the Trump family can be sworn in to tell the truth, lie with a straight face and feel that the ends justifies the means.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 17:21:09 GMT
Mark Levin...
"Scott Pruitt says talking about climate change would be "very, very insensitive" to the people of Florida
NOT talking about it is far worse"
What a jerk.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 8, 2017 17:31:46 GMT
Some people lie so habitually, they don't know what the truth is. I have little doubt that most of the Trump family can be sworn in to tell the truth, lie with a straight face and feel that the ends justifies the means. I was thinking about that the other day when heard of junior talking/testifying. I was thinking his lines are so blurred he/they have redefined 'truth'. It's more like 'their truth' (or 'my truth') and it doesn't always coincide with the real truth, by definition. I have always been amazed (or dismayed) by the way 45 spews things as fact and expects (or hopes) people will not question. At least for me, it does the opposite. With a track record like that it tends to make me question more ANYTHING he (or someone like that) says. Which may be part of reason I find him exhausting. All the BS and having to question every little thing- if 95% of what he says (Politico) is based on some falsehood, it's hard to believe anything he says at face value. ETA regardless of political party, I want a POTUS that I don't find myself having to question at every.little.thing-daily.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 22:41:23 GMT
Sassy Gay Republican...
"I don't think liberals understand that when they trash talk Trump, they're also trash talking the millions of people who voted for him."
And your point?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 13:01:22 GMT
I'm a little leery at why he (Trump) is all of a sudden being agreeable and playing nice with the Dems. What is his angle here? look good before the shit comes pouring down? He did it for 2 reasons in my opinion. 1. He's desperate for a "deal" that's positive. Increasing the debt ceiling and passing aid for Harvey without a lot of trade offs is a win. 2. He sent a message to the Republicans to get their shit together or he will go where he can get the deal done. On paper with a majority the Republicans should be able to pass their agenda without too much trouble. In reality it ain't working that way. "He also repeatedly demonstrates that, while he demands absolutely loyalty from others, he is ultimately loyal to no one but himself. - Wapo
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 17:12:48 GMT
Hillary is back. And to some on the left they would have prefer she had stayed in the woods. That she shouldn't have written a book about "What Happened". It would appear that in this country no one wants to here from a "loser." Sometimes listening to what the "loser" has to say can be very beneficial.
And in my opinion she is spot on about this..
From Politico "Hillary's Message to Dems: Don't give Bernie the keys".
"Democrats are living their own version of Groundhog Day. Every day, they wake up and realize they are still in the 2016 presidential primary.
The leaked excerpts of Hillary Clinton’s campaign memoir, “What Happened,” have stirred up another round of relitigation over, well, what happened. Clinton reserves some blame for Vladimir Putin, James Comey and herself. But it’s her fingering of Bernie Sanders that has cheered her loyalists, enraged his, and made every other Democrat consider emulating Bill Murray by taking a bath with a plugged-in toaster.
Sanders’ attacks on her character and progressive credentials “caused lasting damage,” she charges in the book, “making it harder to unify progressives in the general election and paving the way for Donald Trump’s ‘Crooked Hillary’ campaign. I don’t know if that bothered Bernie or not.”
Ouch. “This is the grudge that won’t go away,” said Slate’s Ben Mathis-Lilley of Clinton’s feelings toward Sanders. But Clinton’s jabs are more than personal pique. She is effectively warning her colleagues in the Democratic establishment: Don’t give Bernie the keys to the party.
That message is not one often said out loud. Even if many Democrats harbor reservations about the Vermont independent’s rising influence in their party, “unity” has been the buzzword since the Election Day debacle. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer invited Sanders to join the party leadership, along with the Democrat from the reddest state in the union, West Virginia’s Joe Manchin. The new Democratic National Committee chair, Tom Perez, asked his rival, Sanders supporter Rep. Keith Ellison of Minnesota, to be vice chair, and then filled out a “Unity Reform Commission”—part of the compromise 2016 party platform—with members picked by Clinton, Sanders and Perez.
Democrats have been bending in Sanders’ direction on policy in hopes of keeping Berniecrats in the fold. Schumer’s “Better Deal” policy package is aimed at breaking up corporate monopolies (though Sanders’ political arm Our Revolution was unimpressed and staged a protest at the DNC the day after Schumer’s unveiling). After Sanders supporters tagged potential presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris as soft on Wall Street, she fortified her left flank by endorsing his forthcoming single-payer health care bill. (In a Thursday statement responding to Clinton’s criticisms, Sanders slipped in that his bill would be introduced next week, perfectly timed to step on her book rollout.)
Sanders holds the whip hand. He pushes the party. Then the party, terrified of losing his voters, gets pushed. This lurch to the left has caused no immediate problems; congressional Democrats have been remarkably unified against Trump all year. And from the progressive populist perspective, Sanders is pushing Democrats only where they need to go, substantively and politically.
But Clinton’s book waves a big red flag: “… he isn’t a Democrat—that’s not a smear, that’s what he says. He didn’t get into the race to make sure a Democrat won the White House, he got in to disrupt the Democratic Party.”
Sanders might say: Guilty as charged. In a June address to the “People’s Summit,” an annual gathering of about 4,000 leftists with little fealty to the Democratic Party, he made plain his agenda of remaking the party in his image: “[T]he current model and the current strategy of the Democratic Party is an absolute failure … The Democratic Party needs fundamental change … The Democratic Party must, finally, understand which side it is on. And that cannot be the side of Wall Street or the fossil fuel industry or the drug companies.”
While Sanders argues that the Democratic Party must choose sides between people and corporations, Clinton counters that Sanders must choose whether or not to be a Democrat. For Clintonites, his refusal to embrace the party label is not a mere matter of nomenclature. It suggests he does not have the Democratic Party’s best interests at heart; he is unwilling to partner with Democrats who have different views about the scope of government and its relationship with business; and, in turn, he can’t make the trade-offs essential to governing.
In another leaked passage, Clinton equates Sanders’ grandiose plans with the get-rich-quick scheme shared by the drifter in There’s Something About Mary who plans to outsell “Eight-Minute Abs” with “Seven-Minute Abs.” “On issue after issue,” she mockingly complains, “it was like he kept promising four-minute abs, or even no-minutes abs. Magic abs!”
She doesn’t say this outright, but the implication is that she believes Sanders is a snake oil salesman (the leaked excerpt appears to say there was no way “Bernie could keep his promises or deliver real results”) who shouldn’t be allowed to become the face of the party and define its agenda.
Will any Democrat care about what she has to say? Clinton is already being pilloried anew for “reopening this wound” at “the worst possible time” when Democrats could be seizing the offensive against divided and reeling Republicans. Her book comes out as a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll puts the percentage of those viewing her positively at an abysmal 30 percent, 6 points worse than President Trump—hardly making her a perfect messenger.
But perhaps it’s that unpopularity—the combined loathing from Trump and Sanders supporters—along with the extreme unlikelihood that she ever would run for another office, that liberates her to do what elected Democrats cannot: front-stab Bernie. After all, she has literally nothing to lose.
Sanders, however, has a lot to lose. Thanks to his audacious bet on disruption, he now wields the most influence he’s ever had since he redeveloped the Lake Champlain waterfront. He finished the primary as a national figure with some of the strongest poll ratings of any active politician in America, often cracking 50 percent favorability when no others can. He is almost certain to be a major factor in 2020, be it as a candidate or the leader of the left and a powerhouse endorser.
The new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found Sanders with a 44 percent positive rating. That’s pretty good in this age of polarization, especially considering his negative rating stood at only 30 percent. But dropping below the 50 percent threshold suggests he’s paying some price for his intraparty scuffles, such as when he resisted an endorsement of moderate Democratic House candidate Jon Ossoff, and touted a mayoral candidate in Omaha, Nebraska, with a record of restricting abortion rights. If Clinton can narrow his appeal, she may not buoy her personal popularity, but she may complicate Sanders’ attempt at a party makeover.
The prospect of Clinton seeking to outmaneuver Sanders makes the reception to her book and promotional tour worth watching. Strong sales and enthusiastic crowds could send a signal to other Democrats running in 2018 and 2020 that Bernie-style populism hasn’t cornered the market on grass-roots passion. On the other hand, if Democrats are buzzing more about “Medicare for All” than “What Happened,” then Bernie’s hold on the party will be solidified.
Clinton’s four-month road trip won’t end like Groundhog Day, with our rumpled male and buttoned-down female protagonists breaking the curse and settling down together in Western Pennsylvania. Democrats instead are doomed to relive the bitter Clinton-Sanders battle day after day for a simple reason: There is no consensus on “what happened,” and there never will be.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 9, 2017 17:44:25 GMT
Sassy Gay Republican... "I don't think liberals understand that when they trash talk Trump, they're also trash talking the millions of people who voted for him." And your point? Yeah. Plus which, where the hell were they when we were putting up with the non-stop, lying-lies and completely undeserved trashing of Pres. Obama and his family? I guess IOKIYAR.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 17:46:36 GMT
Sim ran Jeet Singh...
"Woman assumes Sikh politician is Muslim, angrily attacks him for supporting sharia. He responds with grace and love."
There is a video showing this woman acting like first class uneducated asshole.
The scary thing is this woman can vote.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 18:04:28 GMT
Tony Schwartz....
"Trump Jr. vetting Hillary Clinton's "fitness" for office is like Bernie Madoff vetting Janet Yellen's fitness to run Fed."
Can't argue with that assessment .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 18:12:03 GMT
Has president tiny hands said anything about the earthquake off the coast of Mexico?
I looked and didn't see anything.
I know as Harvey was hitting Texas Mexico offered to send aid. One of the only countries that did by the way.
From AP...,
"The Latest: The death toll in Mexico's earthquake has risen to 64 with three more deaths reported in Chiapas."
And nada from tiny hands.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 9, 2017 19:24:57 GMT
Has president tiny hands said anything about the earthquake off the coast of Mexico? I looked and didn't see anything. I know as Harvey was hitting Texas Mexico offered to send aid. One of the only countries that did by the way. From AP..., "The Latest: The death toll in Mexico's earthquake has risen to 64 with three more deaths reported in Chiapas." And nada from tiny hands. Disgraceful, but not surprising. Didn't it also take days for someone (not sure if it was trump or Texas governor) to accept their aid?
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Post by Mystie on Sept 9, 2017 21:46:07 GMT
I'll say it: I would like both Hillary and Bernie to jump in a deep hole, pull the dirt over themselves, and STFU forever. Between the two of them, they managed to help fuck us all over royally in 2016 and I don't want to hear from either of them. Move over and let some younger Dems take the lead.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 9, 2017 21:48:35 GMT
Except, Chelsea needs to go in the hole with her mother.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 22:41:27 GMT
I'll say it: I would like both Hillary and Bernie to jump in a deep hole, pull the dirt over themselves, and STFU forever. Between the two of them, they managed to help fuck us all over royally in 2016 and I don't want to hear from either of them. Move over and let some younger Dems take the lead. And I will say you're wrong about Hillary. She isn't running for anything and she is saying out loud what needs to be said about Bernie. As to her "fucking us over" she didn't do it, it was the fucking voters who didn't do their damn homework. Hillary is also the only one of the Democrats who has voiced what needs to be done fix to the challenges faced by those in the rust belt who have been moaning there aren't any jobs. Jobs was a key reason why so many ignored the signs that trump doesn't have the temperament to be president as he is proving on a daily basis. It was all about the jobs. A chunk of the trump voters saw a successful businessman who was going to bring back those $30 an hour jobs and take us out of those destructive trade deals. The reality was those jobs were already here but the moaners either didn't have the job skills, were in the wrong place or couldn't pass a drug test. And nothing is going to stop globalization or automation. Nothing trump or the Republicans have offered will solve the problem. If anything they will just make it worse as the hog farmers in Iowa found out when trump pulled us out of the TPP. As to the "younger Democrats" they can't seem to settle on much of a message. It's being noticed and the 2018 midterms are fast approaching. So maybe both the young and the old Democrats should listen to Hillary and President Obama. That is how I see it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 22:48:06 GMT
Except, Chelsea needs to go in the hole with her mother. Aren't you a little sweetie. I thought you were going to work on your hobbies. An observation on my part is your time might be better spent learning how many people are in this country especially if you are going to fling out percentages of what the population did or didn't do.
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Post by imsirius on Sept 9, 2017 23:34:14 GMT
Has president tiny hands said anything about the earthquake off the coast of Mexico? I looked and didn't see anything. I know as Harvey was hitting Texas Mexico offered to send aid. One of the only countries that did by the way. From AP..., "The Latest: The death toll in Mexico's earthquake has risen to 64 with three more deaths reported in Chiapas." And nada from tiny hands. We sent aid... love Canada.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 9, 2017 23:42:20 GMT
Thank you, Canada!
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Post by Mystie on Sept 10, 2017 1:53:20 GMT
I'll say it: I would like both Hillary and Bernie to jump in a deep hole, pull the dirt over themselves, and STFU forever. Between the two of them, they managed to help fuck us all over royally in 2016 and I don't want to hear from either of them. Move over and let some younger Dems take the lead. And I will say you're wrong about Hillary. She isn't running for anything and she is saying out loud what needs to be said about Bernie. As to her "fucking us over" she didn't do it, it was the fucking voters who didn't do their damn homework. Hillary is also the only one of the Democrats who has voiced what needs to be done fix to the challenges faced by those in the rust belt who have been moaning there aren't any jobs. Jobs was a key reason why so many ignored the signs that trump doesn't have the temperament to be president as he is proving on a daily basis. It was all about the jobs. A chunk of the trump voters saw a successful businessman who was going to bring back those $30 an hour jobs and take us out of those destructive trade deals. The reality was those jobs were already here but the moaners either didn't have the job skills, were in the wrong place or couldn't pass a drug test. And nothing is going to stop globalization or automation. Nothing trump or the Republicans have offered will solve the problem. If anything they will just make it worse as the hog farmers in Iowa found out when trump pulled us out of the TPP. As to the "younger Democrats" they can't seem to settle on much of a message. It's being noticed and the 2018 midterms are fast approaching. So maybe both the young and the old Democrats should listen to Hillary and President Obama. That is how I see it. I agree with almost everything you say, except that I do think she and Bernie bear some responsibility and I, on a purely personal level, have had it up to here with them both. However, I am extremely grouchy tonight and apparently my latent fury over 11/9/16 is also rising within me and spilling over onto them as well. I am just so angry all the time and while I agree that the younger Dems need to step up to the plate, it might be easier to do that without Hillary's and Bernie's massive egos in the way. Just MHO, of course. I hope you understand my anger is not at you, I always like reading what you have to say. I have always had extremely mixed feelings about Hillary and her coming out with this book right now has stirred up my less positive ones.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 10, 2017 4:18:41 GMT
And I will say you're wrong about Hillary. She isn't running for anything and she is saying out loud what needs to be said about Bernie. As to her "fucking us over" she didn't do it, it was the fucking voters who didn't do their damn homework. Hillary is also the only one of the Democrats who has voiced what needs to be done fix to the challenges faced by those in the rust belt who have been moaning there aren't any jobs. Jobs was a key reason why so many ignored the signs that trump doesn't have the temperament to be president as he is proving on a daily basis. It was all about the jobs. A chunk of the trump voters saw a successful businessman who was going to bring back those $30 an hour jobs and take us out of those destructive trade deals. The reality was those jobs were already here but the moaners either didn't have the job skills, were in the wrong place or couldn't pass a drug test. And nothing is going to stop globalization or automation. Nothing trump or the Republicans have offered will solve the problem. If anything they will just make it worse as the hog farmers in Iowa found out when trump pulled us out of the TPP. As to the "younger Democrats" they can't seem to settle on much of a message. It's being noticed and the 2018 midterms are fast approaching. So maybe both the young and the old Democrats should listen to Hillary and President Obama. That is how I see it. I agree with almost everything you say, except that I do think she and Bernie bear some responsibility and I, on a purely personal level, have had it up to here with them both. However, I am extremely grouchy tonight and apparently my latent fury over 11/9/16 is also rising within me and spilling over onto them as well. I am just so angry all the time and while I agree that the younger Dems need to step up to the plate, it might be easier to do that without Hillary's and Bernie's massive egos in the way. Just MHO, of course. I hope you understand my anger is not at you, I always like reading what you have to say. I have always had extremely mixed feelings about Hillary and her coming out with this book right now has stirred up my less positive ones. You need a hug!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 4:39:32 GMT
And I will say you're wrong about Hillary. She isn't running for anything and she is saying out loud what needs to be said about Bernie. As to her "fucking us over" she didn't do it, it was the fucking voters who didn't do their damn homework. Hillary is also the only one of the Democrats who has voiced what needs to be done fix to the challenges faced by those in the rust belt who have been moaning there aren't any jobs. Jobs was a key reason why so many ignored the signs that trump doesn't have the temperament to be president as he is proving on a daily basis. It was all about the jobs. A chunk of the trump voters saw a successful businessman who was going to bring back those $30 an hour jobs and take us out of those destructive trade deals. The reality was those jobs were already here but the moaners either didn't have the job skills, were in the wrong place or couldn't pass a drug test. And nothing is going to stop globalization or automation. Nothing trump or the Republicans have offered will solve the problem. If anything they will just make it worse as the hog farmers in Iowa found out when trump pulled us out of the TPP. As to the "younger Democrats" they can't seem to settle on much of a message. It's being noticed and the 2018 midterms are fast approaching. So maybe both the young and the old Democrats should listen to Hillary and President Obama. That is how I see it. I agree with almost everything you say, except that I do think she and Bernie bear some responsibility and I, on a purely personal level, have had it up to here with them both. However, I am extremely grouchy tonight and apparently my latent fury over 11/9/16 is also rising within me and spilling over onto them as well. I am just so angry all the time and while I agree that the younger Dems need to step up to the plate, it might be easier to do that without Hillary's and Bernie's massive egos in the way. Just MHO, of course. I hope you understand my anger is not at you, I always like reading what you have to say. I have always had extremely mixed feelings about Hillary and her coming out with this book right now has stirred up my less positive ones. No I didn't think you were angry with me. Not at all. Sorry my frustration got the better of me. I'm unhappy with the voters who didn't vote. 61M sat on the sidelines. I've been grumpy ever since I read that. I understand Hillary is hard to like. But at this point she is the only Democrat that is saying what needs to be said IMO. So instead of dismissing her folks should listen to what she is going to say while she is on the book tour. So on this I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
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