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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 21, 2017 3:45:40 GMT
It seems that the terms "liberal" and "communist" are interchangeable for conservatives these days. Why is that?
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Post by oaksong on Aug 21, 2017 3:49:09 GMT
Liberal = Socialist = Communist. Nothing new there. Didn't you know?  |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 21, 2017 3:53:24 GMT
Liberal = Socialist = Communist. Nothing new there. Didn't you know? I posted a question on Facebook asking if rain barrels are legal in our town (someone on my other thread indicated that they were illegal in some places). A Facebook friend replied "I would hope that the town hasn't turned communist yet and doesn't allow you to collect the rain for recycling. Although that does sound like something the liberals would do." Who knew that a question about rain barrels would turn political. I noticed that the white supremacists in the videos about Charlottesville said they were attacked by communists as well. |
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Post by oaksong on Aug 21, 2017 4:01:32 GMT
It's a ridiculous leftover McCarthyism notion that should have died a slow death long ago. During the 20th century, all modern nations adopted some form of social welfare to protect their citizens. Some people just didn't get the memo. Also, they really don't understand the difference between socialism and communism, nor do they care. It's easier to parrot the views of right-wing media than to educate yourself.
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 21, 2017 4:56:23 GMT
It is not surprising. Those who can't justify their position usually do result to name calling. It is all just so juvenile. ETA: And the irony is that their guy is in cahoots with the "Commies".  |
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Post by JBeans on Aug 21, 2017 6:37:05 GMT
Get in line! Back of the bus!
Us Canadians have been called communists and socialists for decades despite the fact that we are built on a capitalist economy. .
Universal healthcare = commies.
And that isn't just from the alt-right.
Who the hell turns a rain barrel into a rant about communism?
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Post by schizo319 on Aug 21, 2017 11:32:30 GMT
yep. Liberals are Communists. Conservatives are Fascists. And all of us are fucked.
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Post by Nanner on Aug 21, 2017 11:48:38 GMT
I think we've been transported back to the 50s?
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Post by pondrunner on Aug 21, 2017 11:59:57 GMT
The political conversation is so bizarre. I was recently accused of being a nazi sympathizer because I said that when I hired staff i tried to make room for as much personal opinion as I could because free speech isnt just for people I agree with... but that a person who had participated in white supremacist rally had crossed a line and I would probably release them from employment. Nope, I got told I was just as bad as the real nazis. Also that the only person who can say that is one with total privilege and never had to worry about what nazis could do to them. And I just thought wow, you are throwing around that word without thinking.
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Post by surf75 on Aug 21, 2017 12:51:09 GMT
It is not surprising. Those who can't justify their position usually do result to name calling. It is all just so juvenile. ETA: And the irony is that their guy is in cahoots with the "Commies". Haha, that's cute, accusing the right of name calling. Nevermind the Antifa people and others on the left that insist that ANYONE showing support for Trump is a racist, misogynistic, Islamaphobic, homophobic, sexist, xenophobic, antisemitic, prejudiced deplorable. Oh, and we all worship at the alter of "Tiny Hands". It happens on both sides. It always has, and always will. |
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Post by pyccku on Aug 21, 2017 13:01:50 GMT
People are uneducated and/or stupid.
Communism, socialism and capitalism are all economic systems. They are not political systems. You could have a capitalist dictatorship, or a communist democracy.
People confuse communism for evil, totalitarian dictatorship because they don't know better. For some of them, trying to educate them is a waste of time. They've decided that communism = socialism = liberal, which is just another word for unAmerican.
A guy on my FB feed responded to my comment that "Nazis suck" with his opinion that it was because they were extreme liberal socialists. Ummm....no. They suck because they were evil, murderous racist scum who ran genocide campaigns and concentration camps. Their economic system is meaningless compared to those things. But hey, he's a guy who thinks that there's nothing to the Mueller investigation and Trump is doing a great job.
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Post by littlemama on Aug 21, 2017 13:09:10 GMT
Because for the last 10 years or so, the Republicans have been engaged in childish name calling, which is their fallback when they know they don't have a leg to stand on. I can't tell you how many times I have seen "libtard" used as an insult.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 21, 2017 13:19:52 GMT
It is not surprising. Those who can't justify their position usually do result to name calling. It is all just so juvenile. ETA: And the irony is that their guy is in cahoots with the "Commies". Haha, that's cute, accusing the right of name calling. Nevermind the Antifa people and others on the left that insist that ANYONE showing support for Trump is a racist, misogynistic, Islamaphobic, homophobic, sexist, xenophobic, antisemitic, prejudiced deplorable. Oh, and we all worship at the alter of "Tiny Hands". It happens on both sides. It always has, and always will. Oh yes, I forgot about Antifa. That is the newest insult the right has started throwing. The difference between calling all Democrats Antifa and saying that anyone who shows support for a racist, is that Trump IS a racist. And has shown that he is. If you support that, then at some level you are ok with it. That doesn't mean that you are out marching with tiki torches saying, "Blood and Soil!" and "Jews will not replace us". But it does mean that you at the very least condone him and his type of people being in government, despite knowing what type of person he was. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 21, 2017 13:30:29 GMT
People are uneducated and/or stupid. Communism, socialism and capitalism are all economic systems. They are not political systems. You could have a capitalist dictatorship, or a communist democracy. People confuse communism for evil, totalitarian dictatorship because they don't know better. For some of them, trying to educate them is a waste of time. They've decided that communism = socialism = liberal, which is just another word for unAmerican. A guy on my FB feed responded to my comment that "Nazis suck" with his opinion that it was because they were extreme liberal socialists. Ummm....no. They suck because they were evil, murderous racist scum who ran genocide campaigns and concentration camps. Their economic system is meaningless compared to those things. But hey, he's a guy who thinks that there's nothing to the Mueller investigation and Trump is doing a great job. I haven't said it in a while... I ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ you! |
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Post by LeaP on Aug 21, 2017 13:41:05 GMT
Just an aside on those rain barrels...it's a fascinating story. I read that article among others during the height of our dought. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 21, 2017 13:42:39 GMT
Just an aside on those rain barrels...it's a fascinating story. I read that article among others during the height of our dought. I found this last night when I was looking for more info. Very interesting. |
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Post by peasapie on Aug 21, 2017 13:50:14 GMT
It is not surprising. Those who can't justify their position usually do result to name calling. It is all just so juvenile. ETA: And the irony is that their guy is in cahoots with the "Commies". Haha, that's cute, accusing the right of name calling. Nevermind the Antifa people and others on the left that insist that ANYONE showing support for Trump is a racist, misogynistic, Islamaphobic, homophobic, sexist, xenophobic, antisemitic, prejudiced deplorable. Oh, and we all worship at the alter of "Tiny Hands". It happens on both sides. It always has, and always will. Not everyone. Just many too many. I'm loving your lumping of "Antifa and others on the left." Nice try; calling BS on that. |
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Post by surf75 on Aug 21, 2017 14:12:12 GMT
Haha, that's cute, accusing the right of name calling. Nevermind the Antifa people and others on the left that insist that ANYONE showing support for Trump is a racist, misogynistic, Islamaphobic, homophobic, sexist, xenophobic, antisemitic, prejudiced deplorable. Oh, and we all worship at the alter of "Tiny Hands". It happens on both sides. It always has, and always will. Oh yes, I forgot about Antifa. That is the newest insult the right has started throwing. The difference between calling all Democrats Antifa and saying that anyone who shows support for a racist, is that Trump IS a racist. And has shown that he is. If you support that, then at some level you are ok with it. That doesn't mean that you are out marching with tiki torches saying, "Blood and Soil!" and "Jews will not replace us". But it does mean that you at the very least condone him and his type of people being in government, despite knowing what type of person he was. I didn't call all democrats Antifa. They're just the most vocal group at the moment hurling insults, name-calling, and inciting violence. Why is it that no one had a problem with any of these civil war statues during the 8 years that Obama was president (or at least not enough of a problem to protest, riot and tear them down), but they do now? Because now it makes for good headlines and anyone that defends keeping these statues is a racist just like Trump, right? Notice how the Russia thing has kind of gone quiet, so now Trump opponents are back to labeling him and his supporters as racists? Once this dies down, I'll bet we start hearing calls for his tax returns again. |
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Post by hop2 on Aug 21, 2017 14:15:03 GMT
It's a ridiculous leftover McCarthyism notion that should have died a slow death long ago. During the 20th century, all modern nations adopted some form of social welfare to protect their citizens. Some people just didn't get the memo. Also, they really don't understand the difference between socialism and communism, nor do they care. It's easier to parrot the views of right-wing media than to educate yourself. Nor do they understand the difference between what communism was supposed to be in theory and what it was in practice - the practice did not/does not resemble the theory at all. |
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Post by jenis40 on Aug 21, 2017 14:27:20 GMT
Oh yes, I forgot about Antifa. That is the newest insult the right has started throwing. The difference between calling all Democrats Antifa and saying that anyone who shows support for a racist, is that Trump IS a racist. And has shown that he is. If you support that, then at some level you are ok with it. That doesn't mean that you are out marching with tiki torches saying, "Blood and Soil!" and "Jews will not replace us". But it does mean that you at the very least condone him and his type of people being in government, despite knowing what type of person he was. I didn't call all democrats Antifa. They're just the most vocal group at the moment hurling insults, name-calling, and inciting violence. Why is it that no one had a problem with any of these civil war statues during the 8 years that Obama was president (or at least not enough of a problem to protest, riot and tear them down), but they do now? Because now it makes for good headlines and anyone that defends keeping these statues is a racist just like Trump, right? Notice how the Russia thing has kind of gone quiet, so now Trump opponents are back to labeling him and his supporters as racists? Once this dies down, I'll bet we start hearing calls for his tax returns again. The statues have become a "thing" since the white supremacist murdered 9 people in Charleston. People began to realize how damaging these symbols of a lost cause were inspiring racists and hurting black people. Doesn't have a damn thing to do with Obama and didn't have anything to do with Trump until he totally screwed up on what should have been the easiest response in the world. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 21, 2017 14:29:23 GMT
Oh yes, I forgot about Antifa. That is the newest insult the right has started throwing. The difference between calling all Democrats Antifa and saying that anyone who shows support for a racist, is that Trump IS a racist. And has shown that he is. If you support that, then at some level you are ok with it. That doesn't mean that you are out marching with tiki torches saying, "Blood and Soil!" and "Jews will not replace us". But it does mean that you at the very least condone him and his type of people being in government, despite knowing what type of person he was. I didn't call all democrats Antifa. They're just the most vocal group at the moment hurling insults, name-calling, and inciting violence. Why is it that no one had a problem with any of these civil war statues during the 8 years that Obama was president (or at least not enough of a problem to protest, riot and tear them down), but they do now? Because now it makes for good headlines and anyone that defends keeping these statues is a racist just like Trump, right? Notice how the Russia thing has kind of gone quiet, so now Trump opponents are back to labeling him and his supporters as racists? Once this dies down, I'll bet we start hearing calls for his tax returns again. Just because the focus right now is on his deplorable comments that indicate his true feelings regarding race, religion, and other groups, does not mean that there are not other issues as well. Unfortunately, they never go away. They just get more and more damaging to the country. I believe that people HAVE been working to remove statues for some time. However, until the protests last week people were either not aware of it or didn't care enough to make a stink about it. The hate groups used it as an excuse for their rally, but they clearly were not all that invested in keeping the statues themselves. IMO, Trump sparked the conversation about the statues and monuments in his speech and his followers grabbed onto it. I have my theory on why, YMMV. ETA: You may not be calling all Democrats Antifa, but every time I read comments on news articles, many on the right are doing just that. Any protester is immediately dismissed as either paid by Soros or Antifa, or both. |
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Post by pierogi on Aug 21, 2017 14:31:29 GMT
I think we've been transported back to the 50s? More like the 1930's. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 21, 2017 15:25:43 GMT
It is not surprising. Those who can't justify their position usually do result to name calling. It is all just so juvenile. ETA: And the irony is that their guy is in cahoots with the "Commies". Haha, that's cute, accusing the right of name calling. Nevermind the Antifa people and others on the left that insist that ANYONE showing support for Trump is a racist, misogynistic, Islamaphobic, homophobic, sexist, xenophobic, antisemitic, prejudiced deplorable. Oh, and we all worship at the alter of "Tiny Hands". It happens on both sides. It always has, and always will. You are correct that name calling happens on both sides. But at this point in time the name calling from the left has a basis in truth. Tiny hands, cheeto, mentally ill, racist, misogynist, all true. The name calling coming from the right is just a response to feeling like fools for voting this lunatic in office and for being responsible for the damage being done to this country. Each and every person who voted for trump got had...or they are truly evil, racist, misogynists. Those are the only two choices. Everyone who was paying attention knew exactly what that disgusting human was like. Those who voted for him knew exactly who they were voting for. They cared less for this country than they did about putting a known racist, misogynist into the highest office in this land. You (general) can't have it both ways. If you are not vocally against the guy who is shitting all over the White House and the American people and against the republican administration who support and enable him, then that IS who you are. This goes way beyond partisan politics. To call left leaning voters Communist is really beyond the pale when trump is the one who is in bed with the Russians. It's just further proof that those who are saying liberals are Communists are just like the man they voted for. His mode of operation is to accuse others of the sins he is guilty of and to do it first to take the attention off of his true self. It's an old tactic that he had employed for decades. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 21, 2017 15:30:06 GMT
Haha, that's cute, accusing the right of name calling. Nevermind the Antifa people and others on the left that insist that ANYONE showing support for Trump is a racist, misogynistic, Islamaphobic, homophobic, sexist, xenophobic, antisemitic, prejudiced deplorable. Oh, and we all worship at the alter of "Tiny Hands". It happens on both sides. It always has, and always will. Oh yes, I forgot about Antifa. That is the newest insult the right has started throwing. The difference between calling all Democrats Antifa and saying that anyone who shows support for a racist, is that Trump IS a racist. And has shown that he is. If you support that, then at some level you are ok with it. That doesn't mean that you are out marching with tiki torches saying, "Blood and Soil!" and "Jews will not replace us". But it does mean that you at the very least condone him and his type of people being in government, despite knowing what type of person he was. Yeah, like being anti-fascist is a bad thing. Anti-fascist should be the human default. |
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Post by beebee on Aug 21, 2017 15:36:35 GMT
My politics lean conservative. I have had three very close friends rant on Facebook about "nazi conservatives". It is very hurtful. I think a lot of people on both sides have lost the ability to have reasonable discourse. It is sad for both sides and gains nothing to be so ugly.
I am sorry you had to deal with ugliness iamkristen.
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 21, 2017 15:36:41 GMT
It seems that the terms "liberal" and "communist" are interchangeable for conservatives these days. Why is that? Trump's mentor was an advisor during the time McCarthy was doing his witch hunts. Coincidence? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 15:45:52 GMT
It is not surprising. Those who can't justify their position usually do result to name calling. It is all just so juvenile. ETA: And the irony is that their guy is in cahoots with the "Commies". Haha, that's cute, accusing the right of name calling. Nevermind the Antifa people and others on the left that insist that ANYONE showing support for Trump is a racist, misogynistic, Islamaphobic, homophobic, sexist, xenophobic, antisemitic, prejudiced deplorable. Oh, and we all worship at the alter of "Tiny Hands". It happens on both sides. It always has, and always will. I do agree with you that it happens on both sides. I quit social media and stopped watching "news" because I am so sick of the outrageousness of people anymore. No civility left in the world. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 15:49:44 GMT
yep. Liberals are Communists. Conservatives are Fascists. And all of us are fucked. I am inclined to agree with you, particularly the last statement. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 15:54:24 GMT
Also...water is a touchy subject, especially collected rain water. Very political and heavily manipulated since a huge foreign corporation owns the water rights to a river in the U.S. and the citizens are told the collected rain water doesn't belong to them.
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Post by casii on Aug 21, 2017 16:51:48 GMT
Well, we collect rain water and I go to yoga, so I guess I'm with you. Our local Master Gardener group did a workshop a bazillion years ago. Those Master Gardeners are probably a bunch of hippie communists too. LOL
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