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Post by dizzycheermom on Sept 3, 2017 2:15:18 GMT
At my daughter's high school in all sports, band, etc - upperclassman take priority. No way would a senior be sitting out watching the performances. I would go above the director's head to the principal. This is not right - and I would be THAT parent in this situation! Good luck!
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Post by Jennifer C on Sept 3, 2017 2:36:29 GMT
At this point, going back to band as a primary, will likely be a hostile environment for your Daughter. This type of public humiliation does not sit well with me. The band leader failure to do the job properly, has resulted in your Daughters public humiliation, and the band leader has caused a hostile environment within the confines of the band, because of what has occurred. I would be going to the Principal, then School Superintendent, then School Board if necessary... to have your Daughter enrolled in the veterinary program with no penalty for a late start. If they say this in not doable, I would file a lawsuit, get a court order, etc... I would also be requesting a complete review of the band lander and the band member assignment selection protocol. I would also request that the band leader be sent to leadership training classes, and re-learn proper selection protocol. If this is not done, I would ask for the band leader to be demoted to a lesser position. This is how I would approach this situation. He embarrassed her because he knew that she wouldn't talk back, well Mama, it's time to talk back for her. Jennifer
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Post by bigbundt on Sept 3, 2017 14:41:41 GMT
Is there a parents' group/booster? Would you be able to get them involved or informed of the situation at least?
Because while I am for your daughter and you going to the director to get a spot, I would worry about the retaliation from other band members and parents. I'm guessing they don't have the whole story, just what their kids or the BD has told them. Lay it out and point that out you don't want any of their kids displaced but the only reason why your daughter doesn't have a spot is because the BD forgot her. It isn't that she didn't earn her spot or she isn't any good, the BD FORGOT about her. I can't imagine that a band family wouldn't go to the BD as a whole and demand a spot be added (and no one spot taken away).
And if they don't, at least they would know that it isn't your daughter's doing or yours that one of their kids is displaced. Hopefully that would shift the blame from your daughter to the BD. Which is where 100% of the blame lies.
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Post by worrywart on Sept 3, 2017 15:55:02 GMT
It sounds awkward but I would consider going with her in her talk with the band director so nothing is misinterpreted!
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Post by gizzy on Sept 3, 2017 17:44:33 GMT
At this point, going back to band as a primary, will likely be a hostile environment for your Daughter. This type of public humiliation does not sit well with me. The band leader failure to do the job properly, has resulted in your Daughters public humiliation, and the band leader has caused a hostile environment within the confines of the band, because of what has occurred. I would be going to the Principal, then School Superintendent, then School Board if necessary... to have your Daughter enrolled in the veterinary program with no penalty for a late start. If they say this in not doable, I would file a lawsuit, get a court order, etc... I would also be requesting a complete review of the band lander and the band member assignment selection protocol. I would also request that the band leader be sent to leadership training classes, and re-learn proper selection protocol. If this is not done, I would ask for the band leader to be demoted to a lesser position. This is how I would approach this situation. He embarrassed her because he knew that she wouldn't talk back, well Mama, it's time to talk back for her. Jennifer This is my thought, too. This needs to be handled that won't work out badly for her. I'm so mad for your DD.
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Post by smasonnc on Sept 4, 2017 21:03:10 GMT
No more advice, but I wanted to say how sorry I am that this happened. I was a band kid and it had a huge effect on my teen years. My youngest daughter loved band and I was a band booster. Then we got a young director who liked the "cool" kids and showed them preference over quiet kids like my daughter. It was just weird. It wrecked band for her and some other things made me distance myself from the program. I feel bad that she and your daughter didn't have the positive experience that band can be. I still play and I keep in touch with friends from band. I'd like to see a good outcome for your daughter, but I don't think there is one.
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Post by mikklynn on Sept 5, 2017 1:28:39 GMT
I'd be darn sure the district superintendent and the parent's band boosters ALL know what the heck is going on.
This director sounds like a tyrant and unfit to lead these young people.
I spent 8 years as a marching band parent and I am PEA LIVID for your DD.
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Post by Miss Cleo on Sept 5, 2017 1:36:59 GMT
My daughter is in high school band in Texas. There are kids in her band that do not march. They are props and play on the stands. They can try to challenge for a spot each week if they want to. They look so sad sitting on the ground watching the practice.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 13:17:47 GMT
Everyone wish me luck! Going to the school this morning.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Sept 5, 2017 13:21:36 GMT
The best of luck, mom! I would definitely be going to the mat on this one!
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Post by auroraborealis on Sept 5, 2017 14:34:28 GMT
Good luck!! I'm glad you're stepping in here, with the actions and tone of this director I feel it would be too much for even a senior to attempt to navigate through this without strong parent backup. your daughter deserves much better than how she has been treated. Hope you get a good resolution!
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Post by 1girlygirl on Sept 5, 2017 18:05:59 GMT
This may be an odd question for all of the band parents out there, but why is there a limited number of positions in the band? It isn't like a sport that has a limited number of positions available to play at any given time (i.e.: 11 football or soccer players on the field during a play - you can't have more that without penalty). Colleges have huge marching bands, so why can't a high school accommodate all that want to play, obviously barring the inability to play an instrument?
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Post by Jili on Sept 5, 2017 18:15:15 GMT
I'm wondering this, too. Especially since there are only about eight 'shadows' in this band, if I remember the OP correctly. The only thing I've got, other than to create a culture of competition within the band itself, is something more logistical, such as having a limited number of uniforms (which can be very expensive). That doesn't seem to be likely in this situation, IMO.
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Post by Chips on Sept 5, 2017 18:19:23 GMT
Everyone wish me luck! Going to the school this morning. Good Luck and hope sound minds can straighten out the poor decisions made by the band director.
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Post by River on Sept 5, 2017 18:35:23 GMT
Another band mom here. I'm so glad you are going into the school to work this out. I really hope what ever happens, your daughter is happy with the result.
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Post by quiltedbrain on Sept 5, 2017 19:17:42 GMT
This may be an odd question for all of the band parents out there, but why is there a limited number of positions in the band? It isn't like a sport that has a limited number of positions available to play at any given time (i.e.: 11 football or soccer players on the field during a play - you can't have more that without penalty). Colleges have huge marching bands, so why can't a high school accommodate all that want to play, obviously barring the inability to play an instrument? Answering as a band mom and am in NO WAY defending the actions of this band director... We've been involved with 2 different marching bands, and both bands had an open door policy--if you wanted to march a place was found for you...up to a point. High school marching band is different from college marching band in that high school has one show they perform the whole season vs college which changes from week to week. A high school show usually has a story to tell and the show is judged from each week at marching band competitions. Drill is written which shows where each member should be on the field throughout the performance. Band camp is where the kids begin to learn this drill and they continue to work on it throughout marching band season. A good band director knows that his or her roster of students is variable through the summer and that drill may have to be adjusted to accommodate "holes" or new students transferring in. But usually after the first week of school or so, the band can be so far into the show that it can be hard to put someone on the field. The band directors we've worked with try to get a kid on the field somehow, usually by putting them in the front ensemble (the "pit"). So they might not be marching, but they will be an important part of the show. There are no size limitations to marching band in my experience. Your class for competitions is usually based on school enrollment numbers rather than the actual size of the band. Band directors usually want more marchers, not less, because more people makes for a more impressive sound and generally looks more impressive on the field. (Although I've seen some small bands do some really cool stuff--they get mad props from me because they can't hide things with big numbers). Uniforms *could* be a reason for limiting the number of marchers on the field, but I've never heard of that being a problem in reality. Generally bands have more uniforms than marchers so that all shapes and sizes of kids can be accommodated from year to year. Uniforms are expensive, but they last for years! If the band doesn't have enough, then my thought goes to poor management, either of the band director or band boosters. We've had one awesome band director and one crappy one, but even he would have fixed his mistake and put a senior on the field. I truly hope the OP has a good outcome for her DD! My DD is also a senior in marching band this year and I'd be having a conniption fit if this were happening to her.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Sept 5, 2017 19:19:34 GMT
This may be an odd question for all of the band parents out there, but why is there a limited number of positions in the band? It isn't like a sport that has a limited number of positions available to play at any given time (i.e.: 11 football or soccer players on the field during a play - you can't have more that without penalty). Colleges have huge marching bands, so why can't a high school accommodate all that want to play, obviously barring the inability to play an instrument? I find it odd that this band director left people out, too, but I would guess that two factors probably came into play here: 1) Choreography - it amazes me how well choreographed the marching performances are. You have kids weaving in and out, trombones zooming over the heads of flute players, and heavy flags being tossed really high in the midst of it all. Most of the time, all of this happens with limited collisions. I traveled with our band to Friday night's game, and I had a director to myself for a while. I asked her about adjustments - what happens when someone is out, for instance. She said they just have to leave a hole because there is no way to make adjustments on the fly. I totally get that. What I don't get it why a band director couldn't make adjustments NOW (or during band camp) before the whole routine is memorized. It is about a month before contest season here - there is still time. 2) Man power - moving the band to the field takes a bunch of people. There are flags and weapons to be laid out, heavy instruments that have to be moved (percussion, for instance, that isn't up in the stands), and podiums for the drum majors. We bring 2 giant trailers full of instruments and other accessories that are too big or awkward for the bus if we are doing a halftime show and 1 if we aren't. This is in addition to the 6 school buses carrying students. Our school uses middle school kids (coincidentally or not, we have 8 of these students - it is an honor to be selected) or parents to do the moving, but it sounds like this band director is using band students for this job.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 5, 2017 23:08:28 GMT
This may be an odd question for all of the band parents out there, but why is there a limited number of positions in the band? It isn't like a sport that has a limited number of positions available to play at any given time (i.e.: 11 football or soccer players on the field during a play - you can't have more that without penalty). Colleges have huge marching bands, so why can't a high school accommodate all that want to play, obviously barring the inability to play an instrument? Answering as a band mom and am in NO WAY defending the actions of this band director... We've been involved with 2 different marching bands, and both bands had an open door policy--if you wanted to march a place was found for you...up to a point. High school marching band is different from college marching band in that high school has one show they perform the whole season vs college which changes from week to week. A high school show usually has a story to tell and the show is judged from each week at marching band competitions. Drill is written which shows where each member should be on the field throughout the performance. Band camp is where the kids begin to learn this drill and they continue to work on it throughout marching band season. A good band director knows that his or her roster of students is variable through the summer and that drill may have to be adjusted to accommodate "holes" or new students transferring in. But usually after the first week of school or so, the band can be so far into the show that it can be hard to put someone on the field. The band directors we've worked with try to get a kid on the field somehow, usually by putting them in the front ensemble (the "pit"). So they might not be marching, but they will be an important part of the show. There are no size limitations to marching band in my experience. Your class for competitions is usually based on school enrollment numbers rather than the actual size of the band. Band directors usually want more marchers, not less, because more people makes for a more impressive sound and generally looks more impressive on the field. (Although I've seen some small bands do some really cool stuff--they get mad props from me because they can't hide things with big numbers). Uniforms *could* be a reason for limiting the number of marchers on the field, but I've never heard of that being a problem in reality. Generally bands have more uniforms than marchers so that all shapes and sizes of kids can be accommodated from year to year. Uniforms are expensive, but they last for years! If the band doesn't have enough, then my thought goes to poor management, either of the band director or band boosters. We've had one awesome band director and one crappy one, but even he would have fixed his mistake and put a senior on the field. I truly hope the OP has a good outcome for her DD! My DD is also a senior in marching band this year and I'd be having a conniption fit if this were happening to her. Our HS competition marching band tweeked their drill EVERY single week so if someone got hurt they would just move people around. We've never had alternates. And we've won states several times & one national so it doesn't HAVE to be that a competition marching band needs alternates. BUT we are not a huge school or a huge band.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 17:11:54 GMT
Updated in OP
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Post by freebird on Sept 6, 2017 17:34:09 GMT
I'm glad your daughter is back in, but I will say, I still don't like the solution. It was like he was just trying to find a reason to get you guys off his ass.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 6, 2017 17:40:27 GMT
I'm glad your daughter is back in, but I will say, I still don't like the solution. It was like he was just trying to find a reason to get you guys off his ass. Yes, but at least he did it with a real reason this time. I think my marching band was a lot more fun than it sounds like they are now. I remember doing a Love Boat show with the music and formations and it was a hoot. We were all included and practices were like having 100 best friends over for roller derby. God bless my band director. Hopefully the band director will get his ducks lined up for the following years. Perhaps a roster with grade levels and notes about the kids would be nice and a whole lot more effective.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 6, 2017 17:47:00 GMT
So glad to hear the update.
This band director needs some training, at the very least.
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Post by Really Red on Sept 6, 2017 20:21:31 GMT
I am so happy it worked out. Unbelievable that this guy she was shadowing was so disruptive and it took a visit to show that. But so happy for your DD!
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Post by anonrefugee on Sept 6, 2017 21:34:33 GMT
Great update!
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Post by Basket1lady on Sept 6, 2017 22:15:40 GMT
I'm happy for your DD. I hope she can move forward and have a great year. I worked after school with HS kids for 6 years and I always looked for the quiet ones to help me, but in return, they got extra perks like candy and time away from clean up chores. I felt like the good kids needed to be noticed, too.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 6, 2017 22:19:28 GMT
Good update and it doesn't look like your daughter threw a fit to get it. The boy lost his spot.
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Post by smcast on Sept 6, 2017 22:55:40 GMT
This is fine and dandy but I hope he knows this should have never even happened in the first place.
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Post by PaperAngel on Sept 7, 2017 0:28:03 GMT
While your daughter was rewarded the marching spot she had earned, I would not be satisfied with the way this situation continues to be handled! The director is reactionary to parent complaints & pits the kids against each other in front of their bandmates, rather than taking responsibility for his planning/assignment error. I hope the director doesn't reverse their positions, should the boy's mom &/or band officers complain about his assignment again, & it becomes an ongoing issue. Best wishes...
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Post by kate on Sept 7, 2017 0:38:31 GMT
I think the band director was smart to call the kid out (for talking/disrupting) in front of the whole ensemble. that will help quell any rumors that might erupt against your DD. Of course you know, and SHE knows, and the director knows (and the Peas know!) that that spot was rightfully hers from the beginning, but for DD to have smooth sailing with her peers, it's important that the whole band know that there was an incontrovertible reason for her to be put back in the primary spot.
Yes, of course the director needs to do things differently in the future - but that is not DD's worry.
I'm so happy for your DD that she is back with her peeps where she wants to be. Good going, Mama!
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Post by auroraborealis on Sept 7, 2017 0:41:14 GMT
So glad to hear this update, glad it worked out better for your daughter. Way to step in, I think your angle was good. Hopefully this can be the end of this for her!
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