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Post by gulfcoastgirl on Sept 26, 2017 22:25:34 GMT
It's 92 degrees today in ontario. On my way into town this afternoon I passed an amish buggy trotting uphill on the side of the road. The horse didn't look that bad, not like call the vet ambulance, but he definitely was stressed: blowing and lathery. I made a conscience call to 911 and just told them I was calling about an animal welfare issue - mainly because of the heat. The dispatcher was really nice and non judgey; I don't know what happened but I'm sure everything's fine. The cops here are really sweet so I'm sure there was no SWAT buggy takedown. I guess it's from being a fl girl - and totally paranoid about the dangers of heat!
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2017 22:28:22 GMT
I think you were out of line. These people have been driving horses and buggys through many heat waves. The animals are their mode of transportation and are valuable to them. I'm sure they would not abuse the animal if they thought it was in distress.
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Post by colleen on Sept 26, 2017 22:31:16 GMT
They're also known for running puppy mills, so I don't think Amish are exempt from being @ssholes to animals.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2017 22:31:57 GMT
They're also known for running puppy mills, so I don't think Amish are exempt from being @ssholes to animals. I never knew that.
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Post by Bitchy Rich on Sept 26, 2017 22:32:08 GMT
I don't think anyone is ever out of line to ask for a welfare check on a animal out of concern. Way too often people don't step in when animals need help, because they don't want to be seen as butting in/not minding their own business.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2017 22:33:39 GMT
It's 92 degrees today in ontario. On my way into town this afternoon I passed an amish buggy trotting uphill on the side of the road. The horse didn't look that bad, not like call the vet ambulance, but he definitely was stressed: blowing and lathery. I made a conscience call to 911 and just told them I was calling about an animal welfare issue - mainly because of the heat. The dispatcher was really nice and non judgey; I don't know what happened but I'm sure everything's fine. The cops here are really sweet so I'm sure there was no SWAT buggy takedown. I guess it's from being a fl girl - and totally paranoid about the dangers of heat! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 You may have saved that distressed animal. Don't pay any attention to the acerbic troll posts.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 26, 2017 22:35:13 GMT
I don't think a call to 911 about an animal is warranted. I would have called the non emergency number, but I am glad you called.
ETA: You may have a different system in Ontario.
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Post by Kerri W on Sept 26, 2017 22:37:14 GMT
Amish are not exempt from being assholes. They also know how and have a huge interest in keeping their animals healthy. I grew up in Amish country and my family raised horses. Sometimes they work up a significant sweat. That isn't unhealthy. There are proper measures to take to cool an overheated animal and I personally would have given them the benefit of the doubt that they would know how.
Serious question-is it typical to call 911 for an animal related issue? I would have thought animal control would have been better equipped to handle that type of issue.
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Post by christine58 on Sept 26, 2017 22:37:31 GMT
They're also known for running puppy mills, so I don't think Amish are exempt from being @ssholes to animals. I never knew that. They run the most disgusting puppy mills...thanks for calling about the horse
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2017 22:38:50 GMT
Why don't the animal rights people get on them about that?
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Post by Heathen on Sept 26, 2017 22:43:02 GMT
Why don't the animal rights people get on them about that? "Religious freedom," a powerful lobby, lack of give-a-damn on the part of people who can actually do something about it.
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Post by myshelly on Sept 26, 2017 22:50:10 GMT
If I felt compelled to call I would have called the non-emergency number.
I don't think an animal welfare check is 911 worthy.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 26, 2017 22:50:17 GMT
you did a GOOD thing. you were NOT out of line. unfortunately, someone's religious beliefs do not preclude them from being asses. don't feel bad or guilty in any way shape or form.
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Post by tanya2 on Sept 26, 2017 22:56:34 GMT
in Ontario, particularly southwestern Ontario, they are most likely mennonites - not amish. very similar but a distinct difference
and they don't view animals as pets, the way the rest of us do. To them they are there to serve a job. I'm not saying it's right, just a different mentality
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Post by busy on Sept 26, 2017 22:59:28 GMT
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Post by tanya2 on Sept 26, 2017 23:06:02 GMT
just wanted to add, I bought my dog from a mennonite farm. definitely not a puppy mill, and she's the sweetest most well behaved dog I've ever had.
to point out that you can't make generalizations about mennonites
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Post by scrapaddie on Sept 26, 2017 23:07:23 GMT
I think you were out of line. These people have been driving horses and buggys through many heat waves. The animals are their mode of transportation and are valuable to them. I'm sure they would not abuse the animal if they thought it was in distress. Don't assume anything. The Amish in Ohio own some of the largest puppy mills!
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Post by Tammiem2pnc1 on Sept 26, 2017 23:08:44 GMT
I think you were out of line. These people have been driving horses and buggys through many heat waves. The animals are their mode of transportation and are valuable to them. I'm sure they would not abuse the animal if they thought it was in distress. Actually they are not so kind to their animals. They are known to abuse and even shoot their horses if they don't "work" hard enough. There was a case here not all that long ago where the horse literally collapsed in the street and the Amish man was kicking it to make it stand up and continue pulling the buggy. The police were called and he was charged with animal abuse and the horse ended up dying. Once a horse is of no "use" to them they kill it.
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Post by Country Ham on Sept 26, 2017 23:15:00 GMT
The horse didn't look that bad, not like call the vet ambulance, but he definitely was stressed: blowing and lathery. Based on your own words I can't validate you. 911 is for emergencies and you even said it was "not like call the vet ambulance" so I think perhaps calling animal control and if you don't have that (like we don't) then calling the non-emergency number. I keep the Sheriff's office in my phone for situations like that because i know I can't remember the number off the top of my head. Growing up we didn't have 911 services in my part of NS we had to call the local RCMP office.
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 26, 2017 23:19:24 GMT
I think you were out of line. These people have been driving horses and buggys through many heat waves. The animals are their mode of transportation and are valuable to them. I'm sure they would not abuse the animal if they thought it was in distress. I don't. Even if it turns out to be a non-issue and the horse is just fine, it should clue in the Amish driver how things they do look to "outsiders"...i.e. if it looks like they're abusing their animals then that's probably not the image they want to convey, most especially if that's not the case. Actually they are not so kind to their animals Damn...you weren't kidding. I didn't even have to type more than "amish an.." before it auto completed for me. Google: "amish and animal abuse"Amish American: "Hot horses and Amish animal cruelty"Here's the Costco article the above link is referring to: NBC: "2 Amish Fined for Buggy Horse Abuse"You did a good thing, OP. ETA additional very recent news on this topic: LancasterOnline: "Editorial: A disturbing animal cruelty trend in Lancaster County" (Warning - Disturbing)
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Post by liya on Sept 26, 2017 23:54:17 GMT
Where I live in order to call animal control I have to call 911. I once tried to call the non-emergency number for someone trying to give away a dog on a street corner and they told me to call 911.
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Post by gailoh on Sept 27, 2017 0:04:06 GMT
They run the most disgusting puppy mills...thanks for calling about the horse It is terrible here in Ohio,town over from us, Amish, and his puppy mill was shut down...horses are not always treated kind either. The work horses are better off...
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Post by gulfcoastgirl on Sept 27, 2017 0:06:31 GMT
I've replied a couple of times and for some reason the posts aren't showing, but in case this one does get posted, thanks for your replies. Thanks especially for the tip about the non emergency numbers. The first dispatcher who answered my call was really nice about it, though - non judgey. I live near tillsonburg which is really low key. (Hello! Horse drawn buggies in town! ) Had it not been so freaking hot I never would have noticed. I don't know if it's because I'm from fl , but I am completely over the top when it comes to the summer heat! When we get a heat wave here in sw ontario I tend to be super vigilant. It's like I don't trust the natives to have the sense to protect themselves in the rare canadian event of warm weather. To address a couple of points brought up in the replies, there are Mennonite farms in my area that have been exposed as puppy mills. We have two distinct amish mennonite communities in the township: one is bucolic and perfect and manicured and swept. The other community is the antithesis of the first. Being Mennonite, etc is no guarantee of being a steward of the earth! On a happier note, I love the Mennonite girls who come into our teeny little library in their buggy once a week to check out books. There's quite a ritual of getting their horse settled and happy so they can go inside and browse. In winter the poor creature is covered with a mountain of quilts, and I'm happy to say he's quite fat and never looks anything but pampered.
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Post by georgiapea on Sept 27, 2017 0:43:46 GMT
Being Amish does not guarantee someone is a good person. You did the right thing and I'm sure the check was done with kindness and consideration.
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Post by belgravia on Sept 27, 2017 1:03:41 GMT
Thank you! Horses can get sooo stressed in the heat. People think of them as big, strong animals, which they are, but they are also surprisingly sensitive to their environment.
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Post by gale w on Sept 27, 2017 1:05:57 GMT
They're also known for running puppy mills, so I don't think Amish are exempt from being @ssholes to animals. There are so many Amish puppy mills in our area. They aren't breaking any laws though. The laws need to change. They did tighten them a while back but not enough to help the dogs.
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Post by freebird on Sept 27, 2017 1:06:07 GMT
It's always better to say something and have it be nothing, than to remain quiet and have something horrible happen.
Amish are not exempt from being douche holes. There was an Amish pervert here visiting the local "massage" parlor *wink wink* 2-3 days a week until they got shut down. The guy actually saw some photos in my window (of women) and came in and asked me about massages. Total weirdo creepy guy.
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Post by Belia on Sept 27, 2017 1:10:14 GMT
I 100% think you did the right thing.
And around here in the summer, we are specifically instructed to call 911 if we have concerns about animals and the heat (i.e. if we see a dog locked in a car in summer we are supposed to call 911.)
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Post by ginacivey on Sept 27, 2017 1:14:39 GMT
I think you were out of line. These people have been driving horses and buggys through many heat waves. The animals are their mode of transportation and are valuable to them. I'm sure they would not abuse the animal if they thought it was in distress. agreed - although i'm sure had the best interests of the animal at heart animals work in the heat all the time gina
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Post by Jili on Sept 27, 2017 4:01:58 GMT
I might have made the same call as the OP-- I guess I'd have to be in the situation to know for sure.
I didn't know that about the Amish and puppy mills. Really interesting.
I do want to make a comment about 911. In our community, we're told to make 911 calls whenever any police/fire dispatch is needed--even if not emergency. Here's what it says on our city website:
"Some people are hesitant to dial 911 in non-emergency situations because they are concerned about tying up phone lines, thus delaying other serious calls from getting through. While this may be true for "prank" or unnecessary calls to 911, legitimate calls initiating a Police or Fire Department dispatch should be made by dialing 911. This is how the system is designed to operate."
So several years ago, when the neighbor behind us thought that 1:30 AM was a good time to use a chainsaw in his backyard to get some work done, dh and I called 911. We felt weird about doing it, but the operator assured us we were doing the right thing. they sent a police cruiser over to the house to see what was going on.
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