PaperAngel
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 11, 2017 19:17:32 GMT
The "political lens" is what helps make change happen, to make the "human lens" better for as many as possible. I must be impatient or with unrealistic expectations. IMHO there's no real change, just more of the status quo - a see-saw of power between the two parties, distracting divisive rhetoric, passing/reversing (often the same) legislation, & no actual/tangible improvements on the important issues our country faces. We, the people, deserve better...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 20:05:22 GMT
“But no liberal defended Harvey Weinstein or Kevin Spacey, who might be going to jail," Maher continued. “We arrest our alleged rapists. They elect them. I mean, there’s a pig in the White House," he added. How you can post that as truth is beyond me. No liberal ever defended HArvey Weinstein or Kevin Spacey?! Are you out of your ever lovin' mind?! That's all the liberals in Hollywood did. They kept their slimy, disgusting, enabling mouths shut and let it happen and continue to happen. That fucking slime ball Jane Fonda "It wasn't my story to tell." Fuck you bitch, you kept your filthy enabling mouth shut and let it continue. Knowing it happened and knowing it would continue to happen to countless other women. All the Hollywood liberals that knew and said nothing. And the shining beacon of truth  the NY Times squashed the story for 13 years. How many women could have been saved from sexual harassment and rape in that time? You only arrest when you can't deny it any longer. The holier than thou mantra is getting so old and laughable. Even long before all the liberals in Hollywood, pointing their fingers at republicans and saying how terrible they are as we watch what falls out of their disgusting closet. You can no longer holler about Republicans being so much worse because they run on a platform of morality. Liberals may not run on that platform but they sure do stand on it.
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Post by peano on Nov 11, 2017 20:35:40 GMT
“But no liberal defended Harvey Weinstein or Kevin Spacey, who might be going to jail," Maher continued. “We arrest our alleged rapists. They elect them. I mean, there’s a pig in the White House," he added. How you can post that as truth is beyond me. No liberal ever defended HArvey Weinstein or Kevin Spacey?! Are you out of your ever lovin' mind?! That's all the liberals in Hollywood did. They kept their slimy, disgusting, enabling mouths shut and let it happen and continue to happen. That fucking slime ball Jane Fonda "It wasn't my story to tell." Fuck you bitch, you kept your filthy enabling mouth shut and let it continue. Knowing it happened and knowing it would continue to happen to countless other women. All the Hollywood liberals that knew and said nothing. And the shining beacon of truth  the NY Times squashed the story for 13 years. How many women could have been saved from sexual harassment and rape in that time? You only arrest when you can't deny it any longer. The holier than thou mantra is getting so old and laughable. Even long before all the liberals in Hollywood, pointing their fingers at republicans and saying how terrible they are as we watch what falls out of their disgusting closet. You can no longer holler about Republicans being so much worse because they run on a platform of morality. Liberals may not run on that platform but they sure do stand on it. Are you seriously saying that if you were sexually harassed, raped and/or assaulted, you’d have no problem with an acquaintance or even a friend taking it upon themselves to report what happened to YOU?!! Because that’s what it sounds like you’re saying. Jane Fonda is right. She has/had no fucking business butting into other people’s traumatic experiences. Can you really be one of the few women on the face of the earth who’s never had a negative experience involving a power imbalance with an authority figure. Because your lack of comprehension around that dynamic as well as the aftermath of a violation is startling...and sort of tragic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 21:32:50 GMT
The liberal cesspool of Hollywood stood up and applauded, cheered, hugged and partied with these rapists, sexual assaulters, sexual predators. It might not have been their stories to tell, but they sure didn't turn away, did they? In the meantime, they have the balls to talk about morals? I don't fucking think so. Meanwhile, in the rest of the country, democrats and liberals pretend only republicans have dirty hands. Let's see: Bill Clinton Anthony Weiner Eliot Spitzer David Wu Kwame Kilpatrick John Edwards David Paterson Marc Dann Paul Morrison Gary Condit Tim Mahoney Neil Goldschmidt (he's old and white (since that's important) and had relations with a 14 year old) Mel Reynolds Barney Frank If you're interested in reading their dirty little stories and more, Democrat Sex ScandalsThere's enough scum in both parties. Pretending one party is worse is deplorable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 21:36:56 GMT
I have nothing kind to say about those who support this man and his behavior, there are corroborating witnesses, he is a sick man and the republicans who supporting are just as bad, children should never come before party.
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inkedup
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Post by inkedup on Nov 11, 2017 23:03:31 GMT
We can't even watch movies or TV shows anymore with all the sexual predators. Crazy crazy sad world. We can't even watch movies or TV shows anymore with all the sexual predators. Crazy crazy sad world.
Is it any wonder? "Children learn what they live" ring a bell? Huh? You two are blaming television for creating sexual predators? Insane.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 23:04:39 GMT
Sadly I know a group of women (from Alabama) over the age of 60 are still going to vote for Moore. 🤦🏼♀️
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Post by sunraynnc on Nov 11, 2017 23:15:29 GMT
You are tilting at windmills. No one here thought Anthony Weiner or Harvey Weinstein or Lewis CK were a-ok and that sexual harassment and assault were somehow the territory of Republican politicians. Not to mention that Lewis CK, Weinstein, etc don't go around preaching and telling everyone else that they have special book that helps you on a path to "morality" and that everyone else needs to live by that book if they want help living a moral life. Hollyweird has long claimed the moral high ground over The Folks. They believe they are so much more highly evolved and self-actualized. Actors that have barely graduated high school feel the need to guide our beliefs and tell us how to vote. Weinstein is just the tip of the iceberg. Even those that didn't actively participate are guilty of the sin of omission. They knew and chose money and power. Have a little equanimity with your disdain.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 23:18:34 GMT
We can't even watch movies or TV shows anymore with all the sexual predators. Crazy crazy sad world.
Is it any wonder? "Children learn what they live" ring a bell? Huh? You two are blaming television for creating sexual predators? Insane. I am not blaming TV, nor is that what I said. However, there's no doubt that people today are exposed to sex everywhere. Just as watching violent movies and playing violent games has been shown to have an effect on people, constant exposure to sex (on TV, in movies, in books and magazines, and elsewhere) can not be ignored as a mitigating factor. Kids today are sexualized at every turn. Is it any wonder they grow up thinking it's the norm and okay?
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Post by inkedup on Nov 12, 2017 0:01:50 GMT
Huh? You two are blaming television for creating sexual predators? Insane. I am not blaming TV, nor is that what I said. However, there's no doubt that people today are exposed to sex everywhere. Just as watching violent movies and playing violent games has been shown to have an effect on people, constant exposure to sex (on TV, in movies, in books and magazines, and elsewhere) can not be ignored as a mitigating factor. Kids today are sexualized at every turn. Is it any wonder they grow up thinking it's the norm and okay? I agree that children today are over sexualized. But you make no sense. Kids grow up thinking what is the norm? And how does media have more of a responsibility for the sexualization of children than their parents do? And are you saying over sexualized children are to blame for pedophiles?
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Mystie
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Post by Mystie on Nov 12, 2017 0:08:46 GMT
Huh? You two are blaming television for creating sexual predators? Insane. I am not blaming TV, nor is that what I said. However, there's no doubt that people today are exposed to sex everywhere. Just as watching violent movies and playing violent games has been shown to have an effect on people, constant exposure to sex (on TV, in movies, in books and magazines, and elsewhere) can not be ignored as a mitigating factor. Kids today are sexualized at every turn. Is it any wonder they grow up thinking it's the norm and okay? Not to defend TV, because I don't care for 90% of it anyway, but there are pedophiles and predators among the Amish. Among the Quiverfull groups and the fundamentalist Baptists. TV and movies and video games can have some negative effects on people, yes, but they don't create predators or prey. From what I've observed, predators have far more of a free hand in cultures where children are "sheltered" from sexual information and ignorant about their bodies and their ability to deny consent, even to powerful men.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 12, 2017 0:13:58 GMT
From what I've observed, predators have far more of a free hand in cultures where children are "sheltered" from sexual information and ignorant about their bodies and their ability to deny consent, even to powerful men. Often. And those reports are a very long time coming.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 0:37:14 GMT
The liberal cesspool of Hollywood stood up and applauded, cheered, hugged and partied with these rapists, sexual assaulters, sexual predators. It might not have been their stories to tell, but they sure didn't turn away, did they? In the meantime, they have the balls to talk about morals? I don't fucking think so. Meanwhile, in the rest of the country, democrats and liberals pretend only republicans have dirty hands. Let's see: Bill Clinton Anthony Weiner Eliot Spitzer David Wu Kwame Kilpatrick John Edwards David Paterson Marc Dann Paul Morrison Gary Condit Tim Mahoney Neil Goldschmidt (he's old and white (since that's important) and had relations with a 14 year old) Mel Reynolds Barney Frank If you're interested in reading their dirty little stories and more, Democrat Sex ScandalsThere's enough scum in both parties. Pretending one party is worse is deplorable. No one is "pretending" it's only the GOP. Only that the GOP are the ones who want to preach, based on their special guide-to-morality book, about how everyone else's genitals should be operated, where and with whom. Democrats aren’t the ones pushing regressive public policies on the basis of their personal holy books. Short list of "Family Values" Hypocrites Jim Bakker Mark Foley Newt Gingrich David Vitter Larry Craig Dennis Hastert Mark Sanford Josh Duggar Roy Moore Ralph Shortey and way too many "preachers" and "pastors" to mention
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 12, 2017 0:59:14 GMT
way too many "preachers" and "pastors" to mention I have siiinnnnnnnned! Tears flowing........... I can see him in my mind, but cannot remember his name!
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Post by 16joy on Nov 12, 2017 1:17:27 GMT
Was that jimmy swaggert?
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Post by 16joy on Nov 12, 2017 1:36:39 GMT
Jane Fonda could have exposed HW secret without revealing the name(s) if she believed the woman (men). HW counted on people falling on the "not my story so I'm turning a blind eye".
This Moore guy needs to be held accountable if he's guilty. I've read where the statue of limitations has occurred though. If he's guilty, he needs to bow out of public service since there isn't a law still in effect. The 2nd woman: Who is this mother who thought her 18 y.o. was lucky he dated her? The 18 y.o.said they only kissed. Perhaps she was too old and not really his type.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 12, 2017 1:45:49 GMT
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Post by peano on Nov 12, 2017 1:47:34 GMT
Jane Fonda could have exposed HW secret without revealing the name(s) if she believed the woman (men). HW counted on people falling on the "not my story so I'm turning a blind eye". This Moore guy needs to be held accountable if he's guilty. I've read where the statue of limitations has occurred though. If he's guilty, he needs to bow out of public service since there isn't a law still in effect. The 2nd woman: Who is this mother who thought her 18 y.o. was lucky he dated her? The 18 y.o.said they only kissed. Perhaps she was too old and not really his type. And how exactly would that have gone down? Jane Fonda to police: “I know some women Harvey Weinstein behaved sexually inappropriately with.” Police: We need details—names, dates, pertinent facts. Jane: Sorry, I can’t tell you.” Do you see how absurd that is? No matter how you feel about her political past, it’s just not her fucking job to police perverts or to make accusations on behalf of victimized women.
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Post by utpea on Nov 12, 2017 1:54:27 GMT
So weird that his name was brought up here. I was flipping through the channels on TV a few minutes ago and saw a religious show with Donnie Swaggert. Guess the son picked up where his dad left off.
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Post by pierogi on Nov 12, 2017 2:22:17 GMT
way too many "preachers" and "pastors" to mention I have siiinnnnnnnned! Tears flowing........... I can see him in my mind, but cannot remember his name! For some reason that made me think of Oral Roberts.  Remember when he needed a ton of money or God "would call him home?"
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 12, 2017 2:25:10 GMT
The Sinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnned was what I remembered ........... Well when caught in anything they do have tears flowing and JIm Baker did too, bu this was money.
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Post by 16joy on Nov 12, 2017 2:35:33 GMT
I never said she should have gone to police. I said exposed not reported to police (I.e. in a public way like rose McGowan) and I never said she should say the name in public. I have no idea the age of the person JF referred. If the person was a minor when she told JF, I believe JF should have gone to police or children services, to handle it. It would be absurd not to report to authorities unless someone is ok with minors being exploited.
An actor/comedian (?) said on an award show that the 5 actresses up for an award didn't have to worry about HW anymore. I think there was a South Park reference to HW as well.
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Post by 16joy on Nov 12, 2017 2:40:42 GMT
I think Tammy Faye was crying too. There have been so many of these pastors.
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Post by busy on Nov 12, 2017 2:48:56 GMT
Huh? You two are blaming television for creating sexual predators? Insane. I am not blaming TV, nor is that what I said. However, there's no doubt that people today are exposed to sex everywhere. Just as watching violent movies and playing violent games has been shown to have an effect on people, constant exposure to sex (on TV, in movies, in books and magazines, and elsewhere) can not be ignored as a mitigating factor. Kids today are sexualized at every turn. Is it any wonder they grow up thinking it's the norm and okay? Sex *is* normal!!!! The problem is not exposure to sex, it's a culture - both in entertainment and more generally - that treats women as chattel, conquests, and so on. Over and over and over, women are presented as less than men. No one is out there trying to prevent men from getting vasectomies to protect possible future life because our culture doesn't think it has the right to dictate what a man does with his body. Men are assumed to be competent and trusted with decisions about their own lives, while those very same men think women need to be controlled. If it's acceptable for government to control all women's bodies, why isn't it OK for an individual man to control an individual woman's body? If our society actually treated men and women as equals, we would not see nearly as much of this. It's not because kids see portrayals of sex, it's because it's engrained in every corner of our culture than women should submit to men. Being raised with THAT is what makes each generation think this kind of behavior toward women is acceptable.
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stittsygirl
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Post by stittsygirl on Nov 12, 2017 2:52:59 GMT
I am not blaming TV, nor is that what I said. However, there's no doubt that people today are exposed to sex everywhere. Just as watching violent movies and playing violent games has been shown to have an effect on people, constant exposure to sex (on TV, in movies, in books and magazines, and elsewhere) can not be ignored as a mitigating factor. Kids today are sexualized at every turn. Is it any wonder they grow up thinking it's the norm and okay? Not to defend TV, because I don't care for 90% of it anyway, but there are pedophiles and predators among the Amish. Among the Quiverfull groups and the fundamentalist Baptists. TV and movies and video games can have some negative effects on people, yes, but they don't create predators or prey. From what I've observed, predators have far more of a free hand in cultures where children are "sheltered" from sexual information and ignorant about their bodies and their ability to deny consent, even to powerful men. Mormons need only look at their church's founder, and several of the men who came after him, to find someone who had a taste for "marrying" young teenage girls, even fourteen year olds. Unfortunately the Mormon church today still has plenty of sexual predators as well, including male leadership who conduct "worthiness" interviews with kids and young people behind closed doors, and are allowed to ask questions of a sexual nature. Imagine your child getting a Mormon bishop like my relative, who was actually a known pedophile amongst his family even before he became a bishop, but was protected so well by them and the church because he had "repented". It happened and still happens so much in religions and cultures, especially patriarchal-based ones, and began long before the advent of the entertainment choices we have today.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Nov 12, 2017 2:55:59 GMT
Not to mention that Lewis CK, Weinstein, etc don't go around preaching and telling everyone else that they have special book that helps you on a path to "morality" and that everyone else needs to live by that book if they want help living a moral life. Hollyweird has long claimed the moral high ground over The Folks. They believe they are so much more highly evolved and self-actualized. Actors that have barely graduated high school feel the need to guide our beliefs and tell us how to vote. Weinstein is just the tip of the iceberg. Even those that didn't actively participate are guilty of the sin of omission. They knew and chose money and power. Have a little equanimity with your disdain. If you disdain Hollywood so much, why do you choose to believe Hollywood women and men about their accusations, but not the small town Republican woman who voted for Trump? I think all sexual predators/assaulters are disgusting.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 12, 2017 2:58:58 GMT
I was going to mention the FLDS and Jetts....
Also how priests got away with it. All was good after confession.
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Post by redhead32 on Nov 12, 2017 3:06:43 GMT
I never said she should have gone to police. I said exposed not reported to police (I.e. in a public way like rose McGowan) and I never said she should say the name in public. I have no idea the age of the person JF referred. If the person was a minor when she told JF, I believe JF should have gone to police or children services, to handle it. It would be absurd not to report to authorities unless someone is ok with minors being exploited. An actor/comedian (?) said on an award show that the 5 actresses up for an award didn't have to worry about HW anymore. I think there was a South Park reference to HW as well. I'm really confused. So she couldn't go to the police. How could she out him without the permission of the women assaulted? You are one person removed from victim blaming. The whole deal with Weinstein was he had power. Power is a silencer. Why are you blaming Jane Fonda and not Weinstein?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 3:28:19 GMT
How you can post that as truth is beyond me. No liberal ever defended HArvey Weinstein or Kevin Spacey?! Are you out of your ever lovin' mind?! That's all the liberals in Hollywood did. They kept their slimy, disgusting, enabling mouths shut and let it happen and continue to happen. That fucking slime ball Jane Fonda "It wasn't my story to tell." Fuck you bitch, you kept your filthy enabling mouth shut and let it continue. Knowing it happened and knowing it would continue to happen to countless other women. All the Hollywood liberals that knew and said nothing. And the shining beacon of truth  the NY Times squashed the story for 13 years. How many women could have been saved from sexual harassment and rape in that time? You only arrest when you can't deny it any longer. The holier than thou mantra is getting so old and laughable. Even long before all the liberals in Hollywood, pointing their fingers at republicans and saying how terrible they are as we watch what falls out of their disgusting closet. You can no longer holler about Republicans being so much worse because they run on a platform of morality. Liberals may not run on that platform but they sure do stand on it. Are you seriously saying that if you were sexually harassed, raped and/or assaulted, you’d have no problem with an acquaintance or even a friend taking it upon themselves to report what happened to YOU?!! Because that’s what it sounds like you’re saying. Jane Fonda is right. She has/had no fucking business butting into other people’s traumatic experiences. Can you really be one of the few women on the face of the earth who’s never had a negative experience involving a power imbalance with an authority figure. Because your lack of comprehension around that dynamic as well as the aftermath of a violation is startling...and sort of tragic. I can not believe you are actually making excuses for staying silent about sexual assault and rape. There are enough people that knew and discussed it in hushed whispers over cocktails at posh Hollywood parties with other assholes that put their lifestyle above women's safety. All the while, pointing their fingers at others and claiming the moral high ground. Enough people knew about it to make jokes at industry awards shows, knowing everyone would get the joke. Enough people knew about it to to have banded together and have done something about it. Expose it, expose him to make it stop and protect women. So what if dozens of women's lives were ruined, they need their prestige, money and fame. There is no excuse that can be made for that, so don't.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 3:55:06 GMT
No one is "pretending" it's only the GOP. Only that the GOP are the ones who want to preach, based on their special guide-to-morality book, about how everyone else's genitals should be operated, where and with whom. Democrats aren’t the ones pushing regressive public policies on the basis of their personal holy books. You are pretending that it's only the GOP that claim the moral high ground while being morally repugnant. Hollywood liberals have been pointing their self righteous fingers at others and becoming activists against those they claim moral superiority over. Meanwhile we all watch the shit storm they've been hiding as it falls out of their closet. The media that covers for them, the politicians that praise them, want their money, want their input into policy and want to be included with them makes sure it all bleeds together as one in the same. One side is not better than the other because they don't preach and point fingers. That myth is over. You can stop pushing it.
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