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Post by BeckyTech on Sept 3, 2014 18:58:55 GMT
In December, I flew with my big, almost 2-year-old toddler as a lap child. The flight was full, we were in the middle seat, so no extra space at all. The lady in front of me reclined her seat back as far as it would go for as much of the flight as she was allowed to. My toddler had about half an inch between his face and the seat in front of us! He cried and struggled (and so did I, silently, trying to keep him at least manageable, despite all the preparation I had done, toys and snacks and activities, etc. that I had brought to distract him) for most of the 6 hour flight. He actually fell asleep the second we landed, lol. It was absolutely miserable, but my goodness, I would never even consider causing such a fuss that the plane would have to land because of it! I just wanted to get to my destination as fast as possible! That is ridiculous! I am much more of a "sit and suffer in silence" type anyways. Some things aren't worth it! melly that must have been so miserable for you and your son. That lady sitting in front of you was a real first class bitch to be so rude and inconsiderate. Flying can really suck these days, but nobody should be going out of their way to make it even worse. Maybe the lady sitting in front of her was simply oblivious. Maybe had Melly leaned forward and politely asked her to go up a notch she would have politely done so. I used to fly regularly for business and on some flights when the person in front of me reclined their seat fully, I would simply lean forward and say "Excuse me, I have really long legs, could you pull your seat up just a bit so my knees aren't pressing into the back of your seat?" 100% of the time, the person was polite back and did so. Much of the time they would go completely upright accompanied by an "I'm sorry!", and I would tell them that wasn't necessary at all, just not all the way back. Seat recliners were just never a big problem for me. I think being polite to start with was a big part of it.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 3, 2014 19:09:16 GMT
Alright - let's layer in a little math for fun. An extremely tall inseam for a man would be 38" (we're talking special order or a big and tall store and you're probably topping 6'6" and/or have a higher than normal % of leg. A cursory search says femur to tibia ratios range from abut 52% to 56% we'll go on the high side and say our tall man has a femur length of 21.3 inches. Now here we're getting a little unscientific. I measured my womanly behind (which I'm going to guess is probably rounder than a typical man's) and from seat back to start of my inseam is 8". So our tall man needs 29.5 inches from the seat back to fit his knees in economy. Now most low cost airlines have downsized from a a stand seat pitch of 33-35 to 31" (particularly on short distance flights). With a 31" pitch and a 1" seat cushion our tall travelers knees brush the chair in front of him. For a longer flight, or less squishy airlines he has an inch or two at most with his back flat against the back of his seat. Uncomfortable, I bet, absolutely no wiggle room - and forget about crossing your legs, it's not going to happen. He chooses one of those crappy 30" pitch airlines, he is definitely going to be uncomfortable. BUT, his knees aren't up by his ears. If your inseam tops 36 inches or you have a particularly rotund behind - you're going to be uncomfortable. But as 74% of passengers say they're not willing to pay more for more legroom - airlines have no incentive to put fewer seats on the plane and charge more. Wait, I thought there would be no math!
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Post by Lexica on Sept 3, 2014 19:27:59 GMT
I think they should have reclining seats and nonreclining seats, each in their own section of the plane. All reclining are grouped together so as not to impact a nonreclining passenger. This would be for domestic flights only. Those that want to recline can do so as much as they want and the nonrecliners won't have to deal with people's heads in their laps. A win/win.
In the reclining section, a row or two of seats would be removed to make reclining the seats as comfortable as possible with minimal impact on the reclining seat behind them. Because the reclining side now generates less money, their seat price would be increased for luxury of being able to recline. The extra charge would be to make up the price of the lost seats/rows in that section. Of course, this would never come to pass, but it would prevent disturbances about seats while in the air. The reclining passengers would bitch about paying more, but at least they would be assured the ability to recline without a fight or something being thrown at them from a fellow passenger.
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Post by Nink on Sept 3, 2014 19:46:05 GMT
I think they should have reclining seats and nonreclining seats, each in their own section of the plane. All reclining are grouped together so as not to impact a nonreclining passenger. This would be for domestic flights only. Those that want to recline can do so as much as they want and the nonrecliners won't have to deal with people's heads in their laps. A win/win. In the reclining section, a row or two of seats would be removed to make reclining the seats as comfortable as possible with minimal impact on the reclining seat behind them. Because the reclining side now generates less money, their seat price would be increased for luxury of being able to recline. The extra charge would be to make up the price of the lost seats/rows in that section. Of course, this would never come to pass, but it would prevent disturbances about seats while in the air. The reclining passengers would bitch about paying more, but at least they would be assured the ability to recline without a fight or something being thrown at them from a fellow passenger. Most airlines already have this. It's called first/business class.
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Post by myboysnme on Sept 4, 2014 0:58:39 GMT
When I flew from Germany to Philadelphia, there was a movie screen directly in front of me, attached to the seat. When the seat was reclined, the screen dipped as well and was just a few inches from my face. We were all wedged into middle seats and the entire 8 hour ordeal was miserable.
I would be in favor of something like this: Seats stay upright (maybe one click reclined like was suggested) until after the meal or drink service, then the pilot can turn off the no recline sign. People can recline at that point, and it lets both those that hate reclining and those that love it have equal time.
I'd also be in favor of a seat that only reclines an inch or possibly just the width of the seat, and that's it.
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Post by momofkandn on Sept 4, 2014 1:06:05 GMT
I've been on flights where full recline is hardly noticeable to the person behind me and some where just reclining an inch puts my head in their lap. The worst was a flight to London on Virgin Airlines. Even when the seats were up, it was tight. If the person in front of you reclined, you had to do the same or you had no room at all. And getting out of the row to use the bathroom with all the seats in front reclined was a joke.
I'm probably too nice but I usually don't recline my seat at all on US flights. Or if I do, it's very little. But I have never asked the person in front of me not to recline. I don't think its really a matter of rights or rules or doing what the seat is designed to do. Sometimes its just being nice to the person behind you. There's no rule that you have to hold the door for someone either. But we all agree it's a polite thing to do. Air travel is miserable enough. If I can make it just a little easier for the person behind me by not reclining then I'm happy to do it.
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Post by zella on Sept 4, 2014 1:21:11 GMT
I'm surprised when people say they haven't encountered seats reclining far enough back to cause a problem. I don't fly a lot, but I have had issues. I can barely reach my bag on some flights, and if the person in front of me reclines at all, it can make it impossible. I've also experienced my tray table barely missing my tummy because of an inclining passenger (I'm fat, but not THAT fat). I fall squarely in the no-recline camp. I'd be okay if the seats could only go to that "one notch back" spot, so we don't all have to sit bolt upright. And I'm another who has ever tried to sleep leaning on the tray table. There is even an inflatable cushion designed for this.
I think some of you are being harsh regarding people kicking up a stink about reclining seats, and here's why: can you be sure which person is to blame? Is it always both parties? I suspect not. Some people are rude and nasty even if the other person is trying to calm things down. And putting someone on a no-fly list is huge; I'd rather keep that for known terrorists, not assholes or people who might just be having a bad day. Sure, I'd rather not fly with assholes, but I don't expect that to be a reality.
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Post by gryroagain on Sept 4, 2014 1:41:08 GMT
I always ask before reclining, and have almost always had the person in front of me ask before doing it! I just thought most people did. That way if someone has a drink, or a child, etc, you make sure it's ok. When language is a barrier I've pantomimed and have had others do the same.
Do most people not do this? I can't imagine not respecting someones wishes if they say no, but I'm sure it happens...but never to me or on any plane I've been on. I can't imagine willy nilly shoving seats back without saying anything, that's awful! Maybe I'm on different planes than you all, lol.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 4, 2014 1:52:34 GMT
I don't understand why some people don't realize that they can be escorted from the plane and arrested if they cause a major disturbance.
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Post by ReneeH20 on Sept 4, 2014 2:54:21 GMT
I am 5'9" but have really long legs. I flew 4 times in the last 2 weeks. On the 4 hr MSP-SFO flights, I sprung for economy comfort extra leg room. The 4" of space between my knees and the seat back were great.
The 2.5 hr MSP-LAS flights I got super cheap and didn't upgrade. I had 1/2" of space between my knees and the seat back. On the flight out the guy in front of me, flung his seat back right into my knees. Man! It really hurt. I was in a good mood -going to Vegas, got to do TSA pre-check - so just put my seat in recline to have some space. I can see how arguments can start. People are already grumpy and stressed from going through the TSA BS. Then shoved into extremely cramped quarters. Add some people are just jerks I can see how it happens.
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Post by scrappinmama on Sept 4, 2014 12:46:51 GMT
I don't recline. I only do domestic flights, so it's not necessary for me. But for an international flight, I can't imagine not reclining at some point.
What really bothers me is that people have become so intolerant . I can't believe grown adults are fighting over seats. I wish they would arrest them, and put them on the no fly list.
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Post by scrappinmama on Sept 4, 2014 12:49:05 GMT
Zella, I understand what you are saying. My concern is that these fights are going to get out of hand.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Sept 4, 2014 13:08:04 GMT
That photo is silly.....who sits on a plane with their knees like that? My DH HAS to! He is 6 ft 4 and has very long legs -- and no joke, when someone reclines their seat that's exactly what he looks like. We've always done everything we can to check in as soon as we can and request the emergency exit seat but we've never been given it. You need to prebook your seat. It costs a bit extra but, if you wait until check-in, there's no way you will get the bulkhead.
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Post by katieanna on Sept 4, 2014 14:29:13 GMT
Yes! Though it's beginning to look as though airlines are probably going to have to stop seats reclining because diverting due to rows like this must cost a huge amount of money, what with fuel and extra landing fees etc., not to mention the rest of the passengers becoming very unhappy!! Absolutely! I'd noticed that at the bottom of the article was a link that said "Should reclining seats be banned?" My vote would have to be YES.
With all the extra fees, regulations, etc. on the airlines, I'm so thankful that I don't need to fly!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 14:56:15 GMT
My DH HAS to! He is 6 ft 4 and has very long legs -- and no joke, when someone reclines their seat that's exactly what he looks like. We've always done everything we can to check in as soon as we can and request the emergency exit seat but we've never been given it. You need to prebook your seat. It costs a bit extra but, if you wait until check-in, there's no way you will get the bulkhead. The last time we flew was years ago and we did whatever it was we were supposed to do then, for the airline we were flying. Maybe things have changed since then.
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