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Post by pancakes on Nov 30, 2017 3:17:14 GMT
It seems like a huge majority of craft consumers are so closed minded. And can’t even see last their closed mindedness.
Example: Jennifer McGuire posted a recent video where she praised stamps made in the USA and in some parts of Europe but to avoid stamps made in, say Taiwan. And she said that multiple times. To avoid stamps from Taiwan. Saying all US based stamps are good quality photopolymer but none of the other stamps are made of photopolymer.
A few people commented that it could be construed as offensive — it’s basically like saying only wine made in France and some European countries is good quality and to avoid wine made in the US. Her point could have been made without calling attention to the country of origin, as there are good and bad quality products wherever you go.
I think Jennifer understood, which is why she redid that part of her video. So props to her for doing that.
But pretty much all of her viewers are commenting and totally missing the point, saying why would the dissenting commenters even raise their opinions in the first place. And this is just one example — I’m not trying to pick on Jennifer. It just happened to be the most recent thing that I noticed.
There’s such a “US is the best” mentality among the crafting population and other countries and nationalities are looked down on. It’s what feeds into divisiveness. Even well intentioned people can act in ways that reinforce this divisive mentality.
But it boggles my mind that when explained to them, they think people are being overly sensitive. Perhaps they’re being overly insensitive.
Please tell me someone else understands what I’m saying.
Why isn’t crafting more popular amongst more open minded people?!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 30, 2017 4:06:22 GMT
There are quite a few people who make it a priority to buy products made in the US. I don't see it as being closed minded. It doesn't necessarily mean that they think the other products are bad, it is more in line with the idea of "buying local" and supporting businesses from the US. I am not familiar with the wording or the reason she was urging people not to buy from Taiwan so maybe there is more to it. Sounds like her wording could have been better, or wasn't a simple "and these stamps are also made in the USA, which is a plus."
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 30, 2017 4:10:42 GMT
Maybe it wouldn’t seem so bad if she gave her reasons why those particular stamps aren’t as good.
I know that some clear stamps are made of cheaper silicone instead of more expensive photopolymer. They don’t stamp as well because dye ink beads up on it so the impressions are blotchy and they don’t stick to the clear blocks like the photopolymer stamps do which makes them hard to use. If the ones made in Taiwan are made of silicone or are otherwise an inferior product, it would make sense to tell people to steer clear of them for that reason. I have no idea if that’s the case or not, but if it is that would be a good reason to pay attention to where the stamps came from. The worst part is sometimes you can’t tell if the stamps are good or bad until after you’ve bought them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 4:19:05 GMT
Shopping for "made in the USA" isn't always about "best" but about bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US so people here have jobs that don't require a four year college degree. China has the world's worst pollution in large part due to making cheap goods. They can do them cheap because there is no environmental regulations there that raises the prices of doing business and people are paid very very low wages. I find that hard to support personally.
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Post by pancakes on Nov 30, 2017 4:25:43 GMT
I think without context, it seems like she was just saying to support US based businesses. That wasn’t the case. She was making blanket statements about how all stamps made in the US are photopolymer and all stamps made elsewhere (and she oddly singled out Taiwan, which aligning them with China is a whole other story) were automatically made of inferior materials.
I just caution anyone who makes blanket statements about any country, people, etc.
Jennifer wasn’t meaning to do so, but many of her viewers don’t even UNDERSTAND where the insensitivity was.
Again. This was a specific example. I’m referring to the wider crafting population. This isn’t an isolated incident.
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Post by Lexica on Nov 30, 2017 4:29:56 GMT
Shopping for "made in the USA" isn't always about "best" but about bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US so people here have jobs that don't require a four year college degree. China has the world's worst pollution in large part due to making cheap goods. They can do them cheap because there is no environmental regulations there that raises the prices of doing business and people are paid very very low wages. I find that hard to support personally. I will also not purchase things made in China if I can help it. Not only do they pay low wages to their employees, they don't regulate the contents of things and have been known to use harmful additives. People who lost their beloved animals after purchasing the pet food with tainted ingredients from China will probably never purchase anything from China again. My mom had to be very careful with clothing from China. She would develop a rash and blisters from clothing made in China and we assumed it was something put on the fabric for some purpose. Even after washing, she would still have a reaction to the original item, and minor reactions to whatever clothing was washed in that same load with it that previously never caused an issue, so whatever it was, it didn't wash out easily. She just stopped purchasing anything from China. I don't know what the issue is with stamps from Taiwan though.
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Post by pancakes on Nov 30, 2017 4:29:57 GMT
Maybe it wouldn’t seem so bad if she gave her reasons why those particular stamps aren’t as good. I know that some clear stamps are made of cheaper silicone instead of more expensive photopolymer. They don’t stamp as well because dye ink beads up on it so the impressions are blotchy and they don’t stick to the clear blocks like the photopolymer stamps do which makes them hard to use. If the ones made in Taiwan are made of silicone or are otherwise an inferior product, it would make sense to tell people to steer clear of them for that reason. I have no idea if that’s the case or not, but if it is that would be a good reason to pay attention to where the stamps came from. The worst part is sometimes you can’t tell if the stamps are good or bad until after you’ve bought them. That’s the problem. One person in the comments even said she knew of a stamp manufacturer in Taiwan that used photopolymer. You can’t really tell people to steer clear of an entire country’s worth of product.
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Post by pancakes on Nov 30, 2017 4:33:07 GMT
Shopping for "made in the USA" isn't always about "best" but about bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US so people here have jobs that don't require a four year college degree. China has the world's worst pollution in large part due to making cheap goods. They can do them cheap because there is no environmental regulations there that raises the prices of doing business and people are paid very very low wages. I find that hard to support personally. FYI: I work in the engineering and construction industry and we have way too many unstaffed jobs that don’t require a college degree. To the point where we can’t bid on projects because we don’t have enough people. I know that’s the case with agriculture too. We need to do a better job of steering people to these positions — there isn’t a lack of these types of jobs right now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 4:48:48 GMT
She might not have explained why not buy from Taiwan, but Technique Tuesday addresses it on their website:
Our local manufacturing systems let us use the highest-quality materials and the latest manufacturing technology. For example, clear stamps made in China and Taiwan are made from materials that cause ink to bead, don't produce crisp, detailed stamped images, and don't stick very well to the clear block. When you purchase our clear stamps, you can be confident that you are getting the very best clear stamps available anywhere.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 30, 2017 5:02:29 GMT
I think without context, it seems like she was just saying to support US based businesses. That wasn’t the case. She was making blanket statements about how all stamps made in the US are photopolymer and all stamps made elsewhere (and she oddly singled out Taiwan, which aligning them with China is a whole other story) were automatically made of inferior materials. I just caution anyone who makes blanket statements about any country, people, etc. Jennifer wasn’t meaning to do so, but many of her viewers don’t even UNDERSTAND where the insensitivity was. Again. This was a specific example. I’m referring to the wider crafting population. This isn’t an isolated incident. Bootlegging in the craft industry is a well known and widespread problem. When U.S. companies are knocked off with much cheaper versions of their products flooding the market it’s eventually going to have an adverse affect. It has nothing to do with the individual people and everything to do with certain foreign countries that have been known to have lax regulations when it comes to copyrights, patents and intellectual property protections.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 5:18:12 GMT
Clearly you've never tried to actually use a crappy stamp made from substandard materials.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Nov 30, 2017 5:49:02 GMT
I think it's a case that has to do with people will find anything to find drama in it, even if there isn't any, it's more boring that way without the drama... well in cases of a closed mind
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Post by burningfeather on Nov 30, 2017 6:11:54 GMT
I find it very hard to get worked up about anyone in the US recommending US made products for whatever reason. And I get worked up pretty easily.
Seriously. What is so wrong about promoting products made in your own country? And if that means naming names on other countries that produce inferior knockoffs, then so be it. I also have a hard time feeling too bad about naming countries that essentially use their own version of slave or child labor or pay their workers pennies per hour.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Nov 30, 2017 6:20:31 GMT
It is all about the cheap knock offs which are either exact copies, or as near as damn it. My understanding is that many of the US companies go to China and Taiwan to have them made at rock bottom price, and guess what, they are copied and manufactured under other names, and then sold via Aliexpress for pennies. A couple of the Facebook craft sites that I am a member of talk about nothing else. They handslap or even ban people who recommend unbranded stamps and dies. I'd have more sympathy if the items were made in the US and then copied overseas.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Nov 30, 2017 7:13:16 GMT
Firstly I'm sure JM gets a lot of her stamps etc for free from suppliers so her buy American made stuff is maybe biased if you kwim.
Secondly the whole Ali Express thing has caused many arguments debate etc amongst crafters.
Personally I have spent a shit ton of $ on branded dies stamps ETC over the years. I just recently discovered Ali Express thru 2 peas and some YouTube videos. Regardless of the debate and crafters saying how dare you attitudes I have bought dies and stamps from AE. It floors me to see a die I paid upwards of $40 and see I can get an almost similar one for $2.
I've found you don't dare share your Ali Express finds on social media as you may be ran out of town by pitch fork toting crafters lol.
I personally am about a balance of great quality and best bang for my buck. I will continue to buy most of my stash from LLS with a healthy sprinkling of some great deals on AE and risk the pitchforks lol.
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Post by pilcas on Nov 30, 2017 11:23:13 GMT
When I was watching the v8deo and heard the Taiwan comment, I interpreted it as a reference to Ali and the idea of knock offs. I think her wording was unclear and it did sound like a slur on Taiwan. A lot of US companies manufacture in Taiwan but you can manufacture high quality products as well as poor quality, cheap ones. That said, I have never tried Ali stamps and have heard very mixed reviews. On the other hand, the metal dies at 1/20 of the US price are nothing less than US quality.
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Post by Kerri W on Nov 30, 2017 12:46:05 GMT
I find it very hard to get worked up about anyone in the US recommending US made products for whatever reason. And I get worked up pretty easily. Seriously. What is so wrong about promoting products made in your own country? And if that means naming names on other countries that produce inferior knockoffs, then so be it. I also have a hard time feeling too bad about naming countries that essentially use their own version of slave or child labor or pay their workers pennies per hour. Firstly I'm sure JM gets a lot of her stamps etc for free from suppliers so her buy American made stuff is maybe biased if you kwim. No doubt Jennifer does receive product for free-companies would be crazy NOT to ask her to review their products. But if you’ve watched many of her videos she’s very clear when she’s purchased products and when they’ve been given to her and in my opinion, she has certainly purchased her fair share. I think she gives very good unbiased reviews.
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Post by lisae on Nov 30, 2017 13:02:39 GMT
She might not have explained why not buy from Taiwan, but Technique Tuesday addresses it on their website: Our local manufacturing systems let us use the highest-quality materials and the latest manufacturing technology. For example, clear stamps made in China and Taiwan are made from materials that cause ink to bead, don't produce crisp, detailed stamped images, and don't stick very well to the clear block. When you purchase our clear stamps, you can be confident that you are getting the very best clear stamps available anywhere. So wrong! I haven't read all the responses but I'll say that I avoid Technique Tuesday stamps because they are the worst stamps I've ever owned. They never take to any ink in my collection and I have a good variety. I just don't get good images with them at all. I know their products are popular but I've had a few sets and never any luck with them. I don't know where Hero Arts stamps come from but I have the same issue with them. The best clear stamps are Hampton Arts, Inkadinkado, and Fiskars, imo.
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Post by destined2bmom on Nov 30, 2017 13:15:46 GMT
I also cannot believe the drama over this topic. It is so stupid.  People have a right to buy from wherever they want or can afford to buy. Some Youtubers that I followed have had their channels shut down for using AliExpress dies. The thing is they also use U.S products in their videos and many times combine the products. I complained to YouTube that they were not breaking any rules. They were making cards, tags, albums not selling products. They have 1st amendment rights of freedom of speech. They are not committing any crimes, just sharing their creativity and joy for crafting. Some of their channels were reinstated; but they had to take down all AliExpress videos.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Nov 30, 2017 13:19:16 GMT
I think she's indirectly talking about product from Ali Express. They are basically bootlegging craft dies and stamps. There are a few threads on the scrapbooking side of peas about people shopping for clearly bootlegged popular dies. It's stealing, whether people want to admit it or not.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 14:35:50 GMT
It is all about the cheap knock offs which are either exact copies, or as near as damn it. My understanding is that many of the US companies go to China and Taiwan to have them made at rock bottom price, and guess what, they are copied and manufactured under other names, and then sold via Aliexpress for pennies. A couple of the Facebook craft sites that I am a member of talk about nothing else. They handslap or even ban people who recommend unbranded stamps and dies. I'd have more sympathy if the items were made in the US and then copied overseas. THIS!!!! The companies want that margin between the pennies/dimes per overseas-made stamp/die vs. the $20-30 price they charge. I get that they need to recoup sales & marketing costs, warehousing, shipping. But when a die or stamp gets to me as a one-off shipment from China for $3 (after they have warehoused it and shipped it) vs. $20-$30, that's a whole lotta margin. If they're selling a single unit to me at $3, imagine what they're selling them for in bulk. They don't want us horning in on that margin. ETA - and to be clear - I have not seen nor would I purchase direct duplicates of someone's IP. But when they're a snowman or a cat that is not someone else's design, but rather just another version of a snowman or cat, I will consider those for purchase. The only time I've bought something that is the same as the high-ticket items is when they're stacked dies of normal shapes - circles, squares, ovals, etc. No one owns the trademark on a set of concentric circles.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 14:53:07 GMT
I think sometimes JM tries to be so PC that it comes across the wrong way. She is a huge supporter of the "mom and pop" stamp companies. I'm sure she is totally against Ali Express and her way of dancing around the fact is to throw in the made in Taiwan comment. She has a huge following so it must be difficult to appease everyone. I do think she is kind of sheltered in the fact that 1.) She seems to be very well off and 2.) She gets a ton of free product. Sure it's her "job" to do the review on it but I still think she has a biased viewpoint. Some of us crafters are on incredibly small budgets and have to cut corners somewhere. I don't like people telling me where to buy and not buy things. I can make up my own mind. So I take what she says with a grain of salt.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 14:58:09 GMT
So wrong! I haven't read all the responses but I'll say that I avoid Technique Tuesday stamps because they are the worst stamps I've ever owned. They never take to any ink in my collection and I have a good variety. I just don't get good images with them at all. I'm not saying their comment is accurate about their own products. Just pointing out why Jennifer might have singled Taiwan out. There are some places I won't buy from because they are known for producing inferior products/lack quality control, but I really don't think that feeling that way constitutes some type of "divisive mentality".
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 30, 2017 15:04:29 GMT
I think sometimes JM tries to be so PC that it comes across the wrong way. She is a huge supporter of the "mom and pop" stamp companies. I'm sure she is totally against Ali Express and her way of dancing around the fact is to throw in the made in Taiwan comment. She has a huge following so it must be difficult to appease everyone. I do think she is kind of sheltered in the fact that 1.) She seems to be very well off and 2.) She gets a ton of free product. Sure it's her "job" to do the review on it but I still think she has a biased viewpoint. Some of us crafters are on incredibly small budgets and have to cut corners somewhere. I don't like people telling me where to buy and not buy things. I can make up my own mind. So I take what she says with a grain of salt. Also by saying “avoid stamps made in country XYZ” she gets by without specifically naming the site and sending even more people to it.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 30, 2017 15:18:11 GMT
It is all about the cheap knock offs which are either exact copies, or as near as damn it. My understanding is that many of the US companies go to China and Taiwan to have them made at rock bottom price, and guess what, they are copied and manufactured under other names, and then sold via Aliexpress for pennies. A couple of the Facebook craft sites that I am a member of talk about nothing else. They handslap or even ban people who recommend unbranded stamps and dies. I'd have more sympathy if the items were made in the US and then copied overseas. THIS!!!! The companies want that margin between the pennies/dimes per overseas-made stamp/die vs. the $20-30 price they charge. I get that they need to recoup sales & marketing costs, warehousing, shipping. But when a die or stamp gets to me as a one-off shipment from China for $3 (after they have warehoused it and shipped it) vs. $20-$30, that's a whole lotta margin. If they're selling a single unit to me at $3, imagine what they're selling them for in bulk. They don't want us horning in on that margin. ETA - and to be clear - I have not seen nor would I purchase direct duplicates of someone's IP. But when they're a snowman or a cat that is not someone else's design, but rather just another version of a snowman or cat, I will consider those for purchase. The only time I've bought something that is the same as the high-ticket items is when they're stacked dies of normal shapes - circles, squares, ovals, etc. No one owns the trademark on a set of concentric circles.I am a designer and this is how I feel too. I wouldn’t feel right buying something that’s an obvious knockoff knowing the original artist wasn’t getting paid for their unique talent, but I don’t feel bad buying a generic set of squares or stars, etc.
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Post by pinklady on Nov 30, 2017 15:23:47 GMT
I find it very hard to get worked up about anyone in the US recommending US made products for whatever reason. And I get worked up pretty easily. Seriously. What is so wrong about promoting products made in your own country? And if that means naming names on other countries that produce inferior knockoffs, then so be it. I also have a hard time feeling too bad about naming countries that essentially use their own version of slave or child labor or pay their workers pennies per hour. Firstly I'm sure JM gets a lot of her stamps etc for free from suppliers so her buy American made stuff is maybe biased if you kwim. No doubt Jennifer does receive product for free-companies would be crazy NOT to ask her to review their products. But if you’ve watched many of her videos she’s very clear when she’s purchased products and when they’ve been given to her and in my opinion, she has certainly purchased her fair share. I think she gives very good unbiased reviews. I totally agree with this. It seems like Jennifer gets a lot of crap for having money and being able to purachase more than the average crafter and grtting freebies. Honestly, it's just plain old jealousy in my opinion. Jennifer is very clear that she only uses products she likes and will not talk negatively about products or companies she doesn't like. Unfortunately, this is often labeled biased by some which is really unfair. For the record, I found nothing offensive about her original video.
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Post by bigelow on Nov 30, 2017 15:24:10 GMT
I did not see/hear the video that Jennifer made, but I can say I am sure she was referring to the knock offs being sold on Ali-Express and Wish and a few others. Here is the point that so many people are missing.
These stamps are designed here. There are costs associated with designing these stamps (and dies). Most of the stamps are made in the USA and they say that on the packaging, some of the dies are made in China, but not all of them.
Silicon/Acrylic stamps do not stamp well and they do not stick to the acrylic block. Photopolymer stamps are made in the USA, and to my knowledge, not anywhere else in the US.
The thing I see all the time (and I am on several Unbranded facebook groups) is that people a)don't care they just want a deal b)think these dies and stamps are overstocks and leftovers (they are NOT) and c) feel like they are being price gouged by buying the real thing.
If a stamp says it is made in the US, then it is. There are laws about foreign content and being allowed to claim country of origin on any product. Photopolymer stamps are only made by a handful of manufacturers in the US, not in China. .
Stealing intellectual property is still STEALING. And so if your conscience tells you it is ok to just buy some cheap knock off stuff, that it won't hurt anyone...you are wrong.
Greg, one of the designers from Concord and 9th, has had quite a few of his innovative die designs stolen by these copycats on Ali Express. He said they are literally taking food off his family's table. These are not big companies, that can absorb some of this. This affects their bottom line and whether or not they can stay in business.
Another thing that people fail to understand, is that if these small, craft designers go under, then there will be no more designs for them to knock off.
When I first became aware of Ali, late last year, the majority of their dies were pretty basic things that you could copy (stitched rectangle for instance) and the stamps were mostly things that you found as freebies in the magazine, and also a few vendors who are Europe based (Studio Light is one)- that has all changed with the help of these FB groups and YouTubers who are showing all these cheap dies and stamps and linking the knock offs. That is why YouTube shut down a bunch of them.
On one of these FB groups, there are people who act as a liaison between some of these Ali sellers by providing them with information on desired dies and stamps. They will say, "this is coming soon from XYZ vendor." I even came across a link that one of these sites provided that said if you want the Lawn Fawn designs, here is where you go. Then, there is no picture of the dies/stamps, (because they can be shut down for stealing IP by Ali) so their way around it is to put the name of the Lawn Fawn stamp in the description, without even showing a photo.
Sneaky? Underhanded? Stealing? Ok with you? I guess that is up to each person to decide, but I like stamping a lot, and I would HATE it if these fabulous stamp and die designers went away.
I doubt Jennifer meant to be all "America First" in her video, which is why she probably changed it. But the reality is that a lot is at stake for many of these craft designers.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Nov 30, 2017 16:30:09 GMT
Taiwan and China have an unlimited ban on photopolymer, don't ya know?  It was very poorly-worded and ought to have been either clear to the point ("I don't buy cheap knock-offs from AliExpress and the like.") or avoided. Sweeping generalisations about quality, whether in the manufacturing process or materials chosen, is not reflective about reality. I don't doubt there are Chinese and Taiwanese companies using photopolymer for their products. It just so happens these countries are greatly underrepresented in our craft, at least globally.
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Post by cbet on Nov 30, 2017 16:49:28 GMT
I watched the video in question (on my Firestick/TV, which means I don't see comments at all) and didn't take it as a comment on the AliExpress knockoffs at all. She was talking about her favorite inks and did a little spiel about how image quality is affected by 3 things - the ink itself, the cardstock you are stamping on, and the stamp. When she mentioned stamps made in Taiwan/China, she was talking about the difficulty of getting a good image with the cheaper silicon/acrylic stamps as opposed to the photopolymer, which are manufactured in the USA. There are US based companies that have their stamps manufactured overseas - interestingly enough, some of the companies that lisae says are the brands she gets good images with  Hero Arts is the US made photopolymer. I don't believe that Jennifer was trying to be USA FIRST! or trying to slam Taiwan - she was trying to show a short way to determine what the stamp is made of before you buy it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 17:06:10 GMT
I watched the video in question (on my Firestick/TV, which means I don't see comments at all) and didn't take it as a comment on the AliExpress knockoffs at all. She was talking about her favorite inks and did a little spiel about how image quality is affected by 3 things - the ink itself, the cardstock you are stamping on, and the stamp. When she mentioned stamps made in Taiwan/China, she was talking about the difficulty of getting a good image with the cheaper silicon/acrylic stamps as opposed to the photopolymer, which are manufactured in the USA. There are US based companies that have their stamps manufactured overseas - interestingly enough, some of the companies that lisae says are the brands she gets good images with  Hero Arts is the US made photopolymer. I don't believe that Jennifer was trying to be USA FIRST! or trying to slam Taiwan - she was trying to show a short way to determine what the stamp is made of before you buy it. Thank you for posting. I went and watched some of the video. I see that you are absolutely correct. I never watched the video so I shouldn't have opened my mouth. 
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