johnnysmom
Drama Llama

Posts: 5,687
Jun 25, 2014 21:16:33 GMT
|
Post by johnnysmom on Jan 20, 2018 15:56:09 GMT
Apparently my first grader is still struggling with writing at school. He’s perfectly capable and smart. He’s reading at at least a second grade level, his math scores are always 100% but the darn kid will not write. I’m not loving the way the teacher handles writing, she gives them an assignment (ie, what you did on Halloween or write a fairy tale) then gives them so much time each day or week over the course of a few weeks to write/illustrate the story before moving on to the next story. Where kids at the bottom of the class are writing pages and pages, ds is only completing a couple sentences (he doodles, stares into space, says he doesn’t have any good ideas, etc). She’s tried helping him using word wheels (I think that’s what they’re called, where you decide the parts of the main topic to write about), she’s taken away privledges like computer lab, sent him to the office to work alone. We’ve had the school observe him for signs of aspergers and while he may be borderline he doesn’t qualify for additional help at this time Any ideas? Part of me says who cares if he can’t write a story but I also don’t want him to keep getting in trouble at school either plus clearly it’s important that he write sometimes. I’ve looked up some writing prompts on Pinterest, should I have him do those at home? I don’t want to make more work for him especially for something he hates.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Aug 18, 2025 21:05:54 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 16:31:58 GMT
When mine were in the lower elementary grades, they did writer's workshop-style writing. It wasn't about spelling or grammar, it was about being able to take a memory and write it down - beginning, middle, end - sensory detail, etc.
It worked well for us - writing hasn't been a problem now in MS/HS.
I would encourage you to come up w/a list of topics w/him - one actual happenings "small moments" and one for stories. Then he could go to the list when he's stuck for an idea. You could also look into getting him story cubes. That might help spark his imagination.
|
|
|
Post by malibou on Jan 20, 2018 16:38:34 GMT
I have a nephew that is ridiculously smart. When he was in first and second grade I used to get calls from my sister that sounded exactly like what you wrote. Turns out his issue was perfectionism. He didn't feel like he made his letters well and he couldn't figure out how to write the words he wanted, so he did nothing. Another parent was helping in the class and asked if she could write a story down for him and then have him copy it. Bingo! He told a great story that the parent wrote out and he copied. It took a couple of more times like that, and he was flying solo.
|
|
|
Post by jenjie on Jan 20, 2018 16:45:11 GMT
I have a nephew that is ridiculously smart. When he was in first and second grade I used to get calls from my sister that sounded exactly like what you wrote. Turns out his issue was perfectionism. He didn't feel like he made his letters well and he couldn't figure out how to write the words he wanted, so he did nothing. Another parent was helping in the class and asked if she could write a story down for him and then have him copy it. Bingo! He told a great story that the parent wrote out and he copied. It took a couple of more times like that, and he was flying solo. I was going to suggest that. If it’s homework, have him tell you the story. You write what he says and have him copy it.
|
|
|
Post by 950nancy on Jan 20, 2018 16:53:19 GMT
The one thing you can do at home is read to him short picture books. This is what the teacher is looking for with her writing assignments. You probably already do read to him, but make it more purposeful. Find out what he likes for topics and start with those. Talk about the characters, every story has a problem, and make him predict how the character will solve the problem. Have him retell the story to you. How would he have written the story? Do this every single day. Remind him that this is what the teacher is looking for... a character with a problem who solves it. Stories generally follow this simple idea. If you don't have a problem you just have a list. While some people don't value kids writing stories at this age since there are so many skills to teach, I can assure you that both types of writing need to be practiced. Your son will be asked to do this kind of writing up until high school, so why not make it a learned skill? It might not ever be his favorite thing to do, but he can still be decent at it. Both of my boys hated to write, but they could get through the state testing and teacher assignments with a fake smile on their faces. I taught first grade and loved to see the growth from many of the kids. It is definitely a learned skill.
|
|
PrettyInPeank
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,691
Jun 25, 2014 21:31:58 GMT
|
Post by PrettyInPeank on Jan 20, 2018 17:02:36 GMT
Writing can seem like a daunting task even for adults. 1st grade is pretty much their first time writing true sentences and stories.
Like someone said above, sometimes they need a guide at first to see they can do it, like training wheels.
At this age, there are no real essay structure (intro, conclusion) but there are First, second, then, lastly, for example. I would write those 4 words on a paper, or similar words, and give him a less vague topic.
So if the topic is "What you did over Winter Break," narrow it down and say, would you like to write about opening presents on Christmas morning or decorating the tree? And then I would write your own quick story from your perspective. "On Christmas morning, I was excited! First I put on slippers. Second I drank coffee. Then I took pictures. Last I cleaned up the paper." Something really, really simple.
Good luck!
|
|
PrettyInPeank
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,691
Jun 25, 2014 21:31:58 GMT
|
Post by PrettyInPeank on Jan 20, 2018 17:05:34 GMT
The one thing you can do at home is read to him short picture books. This is what the teacher is looking for with her writing assignments. You probably already do read to him, but make it more purposeful. Find out what he likes for topics and start with those. Talk about the characters, every story has a problem, and make him predict how the character will solve the problem. Have him retell the story to you. How would he have written the story? Do this every single day. Remind him that this is what the teacher is looking for... a character with a problem who solves it. Stories generally follow this simple idea. If you don't have a problem you just have a list. While some people don't value kids writing stories at this age since there are so many skills to teach, I can assure you that both types of writing need to be practiced. Your son will be asked to do this kind of writing up until high school, so why not make it a learned skill? It might not ever be his favorite thing to do, but he can still be decent at it. Both of my boys hated to write, but they could get through the state testing and teacher assignments with a fake smile on their faces. I taught first grade and loved to see the growth from many of the kids. It is definitely a learned skill. It's true it's can end of being just a list, but from zero writing experience to an actual structured story with a protagonist and conflict is a lot to ask right in the beginning. I would expect that by the end of the year, though.
|
|
|
Post by Really Red on Jan 20, 2018 17:09:00 GMT
OH MY GOD!!!! Am I the only one with her mouth agape? WTF?! The teacher takes away privileges because this FIRST GRADER can't write a story? For God's sake, what is this world coming to? I seriously can't even. My son, when he was in 1st grade, could not write a story. In fact, when he was in 5th grade, his teacher took me aside and told me that he wouldn't pass his 5th grade writing SOL (standards of learning here in VA). She wasn't wrong. But my son was in a gifted public school and he didn't think like everyone else. He also has dysgraphia, so writing is very difficult, if not impossible for him. But even without my son's learning disabilities, if someone had told me that my 6yo had to write a story or not get computer privileges, or be sent to work alone, I would have exploded! Let 6-year-olds be kids, FFS!!! I'm not going to get calm on this one, but johnnysmom here are some tips I used with my son. We spent a fair amount of time in the car and that's where I did his work with him because when he was home, I wanted him to play. In the car, I'd give him a topic, say "What are your favorite toys?" and he'd have to describe his toys to me. I told him we had to play the game at school. They like three things, so you always say, "I like my Xbox, my bike and Monopoly." Then you explain why you like each one of them. You finish off by saying, "In conclusion comma" and my son would go crazy. "It's NOT the conclusion, Mom!! There's always more!" We still laugh about it, but I taught him how to play the game. It was hard at first and then got easier. He got a 598 out of 600 on his SOL and his writing today (as a senior) is extraordinary. I don't have a problem with YOU working on it with him (that is great), but the day we punish our 6-year-old kids because they can't write a story is the day our educational system fails.
|
|
|
Post by 950nancy on Jan 20, 2018 17:09:25 GMT
The one thing you can do at home is read to him short picture books. This is what the teacher is looking for with her writing assignments. You probably already do read to him, but make it more purposeful. Find out what he likes for topics and start with those. Talk about the characters, every story has a problem, and make him predict how the character will solve the problem. Have him retell the story to you. How would he have written the story? Do this every single day. Remind him that this is what the teacher is looking for... a character with a problem who solves it. Stories generally follow this simple idea. If you don't have a problem you just have a list. While some people don't value kids writing stories at this age since there are so many skills to teach, I can assure you that both types of writing need to be practiced. Your son will be asked to do this kind of writing up until high school, so why not make it a learned skill? It might not ever be his favorite thing to do, but he can still be decent at it. Both of my boys hated to write, but they could get through the state testing and teacher assignments with a fake smile on their faces. I taught first grade and loved to see the growth from many of the kids. It is definitely a learned skill. It's true it's can end of being just a list, but from zero writing experience to an actual structured story with a protagonist and conflict is a lot to ask right in the beginning. I would expect that by the end of the year, though. Kids can absolutely do it. I always found when you ask a lot they give a lot. They just need to know how to go about doing it.
|
|
katybee
Drama Llama

Posts: 5,610
Jun 25, 2014 23:25:39 GMT
|
Post by katybee on Jan 20, 2018 17:35:53 GMT
Giving writing “prompts” (like this teacher is doing) is one of the worst ways to teach writing in primary grades and is NOT best practice. Any writing expert—Lucy Caulkins, Katie Wood Ray, Donald Graves, Matt Glover (I just went to a workshop with him!)—would tell you the same. Forcing kids to write about a topic that someone else chooses only stifles them. What if he doesn’t have any good ideas for what he did on Halloween but has an awesome idea about his recent baseball game? The topic DOES NOT MATTER. You can teach the same skills no matter what the STUDENT chooses to write about. One student may write about ballet class and another may write about being sad on a rainy day. You can still teach about making sure stories have a beginning, middle and end, or how to use correct punctuation or how to add sensory details. The topic doesn’t matter, but if a child writes about something they are excited about, you will get much better results. It is absolutely OK to assign specific genres (personal narratives, informational texts, letter writing, persuasive writing, etc) so that teachers can teach specific skills related to those genres. What state are you in? Neither the common core or Texas (which covers a lot of states) requires kids to write fiction stories like fairy tales in first grade. Using mentor texts (like 950nancy mentioned) is also a great idea (and your son’s teacher should be doing that, as well). I hope your son’s teacher uses a workshop model. In this model, the teacher gives a mini lesson for a skill the whole class needs, but then conferences with INDIVIDUAL kids on a regular basis to work on the skills that particular kid needs. The idea is to give little nudges and not expect perfection on every skill all at once. It’s important to remember it’s about the PROCESS not the PRODUCT. My kinders have writing folders stuffed full of papers. They don’t finish, or “publish” every piece. But they get a lot of practice writing every day.
|
|
|
Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 20, 2018 17:40:24 GMT
I used to teach an after school club where kids wrote books. So kids that age can write.. some of us are natural story tellers others not so much.
Somethings you can do at home is to tell stories and when you read books predict what is going to happen next. There are a ton of story telling games that are fun for kids.
I am shocked the teacher punishes kids who struggle with writing.. for many kids they need to be taught how they can't be expected to just naturally know how to write a story.
|
|
katybee
Drama Llama

Posts: 5,610
Jun 25, 2014 23:25:39 GMT
|
Post by katybee on Jan 20, 2018 17:53:40 GMT
The more I read your post, the angrier I get. Your son is in first grade, and she is going to make him HATE writing for the rest of his life. It sounds like his teacher needs some serious writing PD. She should really google Lucy Caulkins.
|
|
|
Post by Basket1lady on Jan 20, 2018 18:51:49 GMT
This was my son at that age. Heck, now. He took his last English class last year (he's a college junior now and an engineering major.) He actually called me--spoke on the telephone!-- because he was so excited to be done with writing short stories, poems, narratives, etc.
One thing to consider is using a voice to text app. DS had plenty of ideas, but that got lost in the physical process of writing it down. He worried about his handwriting, spelling, punctuation, etc. and he didn't think his ideas were as good as the stories that he read. He would tell me and I'd write it out for him, but there are apps more economically available now than 15 years ago. We worked a lot on outlines (something he either didn't learn in school or didn't stick.) Ideas that would become sentences later. Give a detail, then in the next sentence, describe the detail,... These are really the building blocks of writing, even technical writing, which even math/science guys need to do.
You say that he draws pictures/doodles. Turn that into his outline. You can certainly illustrate a story and then write about it. Maybe he thinks more like that. And I would assume that in 1st grade, stories are illustrated as well as written. If he's more math/science oriented, don't have him write about puppies. Write about what he loves. If he has to write about his favorite Christmas gift, he can say it was a robot, then tell why he likes the robot. It makes him think of astronauts, space, math, etc. It's white and silver with two eyes.
For DS, I told him it was like a game. The 3rd grade SOLs are HUGE here--just like Really Red said. I told DS that he needed to figure it out so that he didn't get put into the remedial writing class. That was a huge incentive for him. His teacher told me that he would either bomb it or pass with flying colors--it could go either way and she didn't have any idea what it would take. When he came home that day, I knew it went fine. I had told him to just put anything down--anything. I knew he'd be fine if he didn't focus on telling a good story, but on just getting the job done.
As for the Asperger's (now an Autism DSM), you can still support your DS without a diagnosis. For our DS, his issues were social and he really, really needed a schedule. We talked a lot about coping techniques when things didn't go as planned and worked on talking to his peers. It really helped that the school counselors and his teachers were happy to help him in small ways that didn't create a lot of work for him. And with math, DS often helped the other kids, which helped the teacher. But that's a whole other thread!
|
|
|
Post by melanell on Jan 20, 2018 18:59:54 GMT
Our first graders always were given papers or journals with a very large place to draw, and then a much smaller space to write. They would draw something of their own choice and then tell the story behind the picture. Now, my kids were very different. One didn't even use the entire 4 or 5 lines available while the other flipped the paper over and continued to write on the back, but they both still learned to start writing stories/ideas/etc. this way. I hate that she's punishing him for not writing. My gosh. I just feel that will make the writing time even more stressful and non-productive for him. At home, perhaps you can get some Rory's Story cubes? The story cubes are by Gamewright and both Amazon and Target have them. They have endless add-on sets if it turns out to be something he enjoys. Being that it's a game (a dice game with pictures on each side to build a story around) and he doesn't have to actually write the stories down may help him exercise his imagination in a way that feels less like what he's being asked to do in school. And then when he is at school, perhaps he can fall back on some of the stories you created while playing if he cannot come up with something new to write about right then and there. You can possibly even manipulate the game to start it off with cubes that mimic the topic she has set for that week's assignment. Good luck! Here's the website for the product: www.storycubes.com/
|
|
johnnysmom
Drama Llama

Posts: 5,687
Jun 25, 2014 21:16:33 GMT
|
Post by johnnysmom on Jan 20, 2018 19:10:02 GMT
At home, perhaps you can get some Rory's Story cubes? The story cubes are by Gamewright and both Amazon and Target have them. They have endless add-on sets if it turns out to be something he enjoys. Being that it's a game (a dice game with pictures on each side to build a story around) and he doesn't have to actually write the stories down may help him exercise his imagination in a way that feels less like what he's being asked to do in school. And then when he is at school, perhaps he can fall back on some of the stories you created while playing if he cannot come up with something new to write about right then and there. You can possibly even manipulate the game to start it off with cubes that mimic the topic she has set for that week's assignment. Good luck! Here's the website for the product: www.storycubes.com/Oh, great idea! We have a set of those around here somewhere left over from when ods was little, I'll dig them out.
|
|
johnnysmom
Drama Llama

Posts: 5,687
Jun 25, 2014 21:16:33 GMT
|
Post by johnnysmom on Jan 20, 2018 19:14:42 GMT
As for the Asperger's (now an Autism DSM), you can still support your DS without a diagnosis. For our DS, his issues were social and he really, really needed a schedule. We talked a lot about coping techniques when things didn't go as planned and worked on talking to his peers. It really helped that the school counselors and his teachers were happy to help him in small ways that didn't create a lot of work for him. And with math, DS often helped the other kids, which helped the teacher. But that's a whole other thread! Yeah, we're not really pushing a formal diagnosis at this point, in part because our insurance won't cover diagnosis or treatment of ASD  and basically because we're already making accommodations for him at home regardless of diagnosis or not. He has his own calendar at home, on the wall, so he knows what is going on. We also give him lots of notice when things are coming up/changing. We keep him involved in activities and social situations so we can help him work through situations. Stuff like that.
|
|
johnnysmom
Drama Llama

Posts: 5,687
Jun 25, 2014 21:16:33 GMT
|
Post by johnnysmom on Jan 20, 2018 19:29:09 GMT
Thank you all for the ideas! There's no way I'm going to be able to change the way the teacher teaches, she's been a teacher there for probably over 20 years, it's a small school (and I work there!) so I'm not going to rock the boat, plus we all have to work with less than ideal people from time to time. I don't love the idea of punishing him by removing computer lab, and I know she hated doing it as well. I'll be surprised if she uses that tactic again. I don't have a problem with her sending him to the office and actually suggested she do it if needed, not for punishment but to get him away from distractions (the one time she tried it it failed because he just talked to a kid that was down there for discipline  I talked the principal and there's a plan in place if ds needs to return he can use her office for quiet work time). She is willing to try different things to help ds, I don't think she's dealt with a kid like this before/recently, he's well behaved if he can stay focused and he's smart so it's not like he's in danger of failing or qualifies for any intervention. She's also a kindergarten teacher who looped with this class and is teacher first for the first time in many years. Anywho, I told ds that he and I are going to write a story tomorrow, together. I told him to think of a topic and we'll write about it. I'm trying to figure out the best way to approach it, hopefully something he can use at school too, preferably something he can see and not have to remember. Me writing it and him re-writing it will work for stuff at home and may work in the long run but since he rarely writes at home (and I hate making him do more writing because he hates it so much) it's less than ideal. I was thinking of making a book/folder something similar to these: www.teacherspayteachers.com/Product/Sentence-and-Story-Building-Cards-2176999www.teacherspayteachers.com/Product/Sentence-Building-Activities-2235078I may be able to find out from the teacher in advance what the next topic will be to setup the next folder (too many choices will overwhelm him)
|
|
|
Post by Basket1lady on Jan 20, 2018 19:31:48 GMT
As for the Asperger's (now an Autism DSM), you can still support your DS without a diagnosis. For our DS, his issues were social and he really, really needed a schedule. We talked a lot about coping techniques when things didn't go as planned and worked on talking to his peers. It really helped that the school counselors and his teachers were happy to help him in small ways that didn't create a lot of work for him. And with math, DS often helped the other kids, which helped the teacher. But that's a whole other thread! Yeah, we're not really pushing a formal diagnosis at this point, in part because our insurance won't cover diagnosis or treatment of ASD  and basically because we're already making accommodations for him at home regardless of diagnosis or not. He has his own calendar at home, on the wall, so he knows what is going on. We also give him lots of notice when things are coming up/changing. We keep him involved in activities and social situations so we can help him work through situations. Stuff like that. It took us forever to get a diagnosis, and even then we never did get a 504. The schools were happy to accommodate him with what he needed in general, and I just asked that he never be made to sing in class (his biggest concern). So when his French class went caroling, he filmed the group. I just thought I had a smart quirky kid. But then, at a scout event, a mom was all excited that we had an ASD kid, too. I talked to the school counselor and DS's 5th grade teacher, who was also certified in special ed. She said, "I thought you knew!" I just thought he was so smart he didn't really relate with his peers. He was 10 or 11 then. But we didn't change much--we were just more deliberate with what we did. One thing that helped with his socialization, was when he had a playdate, we talked about what they could do, what if it didn't interest him, what the polite things were to say. And I was careful to keep them about an hour. At 6, his coping skills would waver after that. And, as he got older, I learned that it was ok for him to not have a huge group of friends and that he did better one on one. One or two good friends is all he really needs and his idea of a great Saturday night is to go to the engineering computer lab and work on a project. Sounds sad, but there are usually about 10 or students in there and they work with each other. He's happy and his grades are good, so it all works.
|
|
snugglebutter
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 2,566
Jul 13, 2014 17:11:31 GMT
|
Post by snugglebutter on Jan 20, 2018 19:39:37 GMT
I have a nephew that is ridiculously smart. When he was in first and second grade I used to get calls from my sister that sounded exactly like what you wrote. Turns out his issue was perfectionism. He didn't feel like he made his letters well and he couldn't figure out how to write the words he wanted, so he did nothing. Another parent was helping in the class and asked if she could write a story down for him and then have him copy it. Bingo! He told a great story that the parent wrote out and he copied. It took a couple of more times like that, and he was flying solo. I was going to suggest something very similar to this. You can practice this at home by writing letters to grandparents etc using the same method. Target dollar spot sometimes has blank books that you could get to write books together. If he's got a good imagination, the only "downside" is that he can end up with some very long stories! lol In that case, don't push him to do all the copying in one sitting. Ten minutes of work at a time is good. I'd be pretty frustrated if the teacher was only looking at this as a behavior issue. It's pretty common for writing to lag behind reading at that age. It sounds like she has the mindset that if he's doing well in other subjects that he is "smart enough" instead of trying to do her job and help him.
|
|
katybee
Drama Llama

Posts: 5,610
Jun 25, 2014 23:25:39 GMT
|
Post by katybee on Jan 20, 2018 19:57:43 GMT
Please do not write for him (even if it’s his own words) and have him re-copy it. It will not help him develop skills as a writer, will make him dependent on others and he will never develop confidence as a writer.
|
|
|
Post by cindytred on Jan 20, 2018 19:58:49 GMT
I've had a few students like that. I think gifted kids have a hard time composing stories - maybe they are too literal. Another thing is that I don't think kids know how to use their imagination anymore. I know my 3rd graders don't. They spend most of their spare time playing video games and watching youtube - so they don't need an imagination - and it makes me sad for them.
Cindy
|
|
johnnysmom
Drama Llama

Posts: 5,687
Jun 25, 2014 21:16:33 GMT
|
Post by johnnysmom on Jan 20, 2018 20:04:06 GMT
Please do not write for him (even if it’s his own words) and have him re-copy it. It will not help him develop skills as a writer, will make him dependent on others and he will never develop confidence as a writer. I've considered that as well. What are your thoughts on using sentence or story building cards? Is that too much hand-holding?
|
|
mlana
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 2,525
Jun 27, 2014 19:58:15 GMT
|
Post by mlana on Jan 20, 2018 20:26:37 GMT
I have a nephew that is ridiculously smart. When he was in first and second grade I used to get calls from my sister that sounded exactly like what you wrote. Turns out his issue was perfectionism. He didn't feel like he made his letters well and he couldn't figure out how to write the words he wanted, so he did nothing. Another parent was helping in the class and asked if she could write a story down for him and then have him copy it. Bingo! He told a great story that the parent wrote out and he copied. It took a couple of more times like that, and he was flying solo. My son had problems with the actual writing, not the storytelling. He wouldn't write, though, so the story didn't get told. After a couple months of frustration, the teacher asked if I would have DS type his work since he had told her he used the computer a lot. We started doing this and his creativity flowed. As long as he could type it, he was good. As he progressed, the teacher would point out the areas that needed work and we would play games to focus on those areas. Logical progression was a concept he had some problems with at first, but when we played 'order the robot around' he figured out what we trying to get him to do. The concept of intro, body, conclusion, was made clear by likening it to meeting someone and shaking hands, talking for a bit, then shaking hands and going away. To him, that made sense. LOL I have often regretted not homeschooling DS earlier, not because I could have done better than his 1st and 2nd grade teachers, but because he could have used the computer more and we could have waited until his coordination improved to focus on writing skills. I think he lost a lot because he had to actually put a pencil to paper and his mind just didn't work that way. Sit him in front of a computer and let him type he work and he was lighting fast. Now he's an IT guy in CA and is perfectly happy being surrounded by computers all day. Marcy
|
|
katybee
Drama Llama

Posts: 5,610
Jun 25, 2014 23:25:39 GMT
|
Post by katybee on Jan 20, 2018 20:40:37 GMT
APlease do not write for him (even if it’s his own words) and have him re-copy it. It will not help him develop skills as a writer, will make him dependent on others and he will never develop confidence as a writer. I've considered that as well. What are your thoughts on using sentence or story building cards? Is that too much hand-holding? Honestly— yes. It just teaches kids that there is only one way to write a sentence. And there are so many ways to write a sentence! If I we’re you, I would help him brainstorm a list of things he can write about for whatever genre he’s working on. I’m assuming it’s personal narrative? One mistake many kids make is thinking stories all have to be about grand moments and big events, when in reality, “small moments” are better. Examples might include finding a quarter in the couch, spilling milk at breakfast, having a bad dream, seeing a frog in the backyard...the possibilities are endless. And since thinking about ideas is hard for him, anytime he tells you a story about something that happened or something happens when you’re with him—tell him that it would make a great story and he should add it to his list. Once he’s settled on a story idea, have him orally tell the story. Then have him sketch pictures to tell the story. Have him think in terms of beginning, middle and end, but do not limit it to just 3 parts. As Matt Glover says, it’s really beginning, middle, middle, middle, middle..... end. Give him a separate piece of paper for each part of his story. I think it IS ok to show kids how to draw things if that’s where he’s getting stuck. Sometimes kids need to see what shapes to use to draw a simple person or dog or whatever. Once he’s ready to write, it is SUPER IMPORTANT to focus on one thing at a time. If he’s having trouble forming sentences, focus on JUST THAT. Don’t worry about using correct punctuation or capital letters, handwriting (which should be taught separately from writing) or even spelling. Let him master one thing instead of trying to worry about 50 and produce perfect writing. The goal is not to produce a perfect piece, it’s to practice and master skills. When the pressure of not worrying about all that goes away, he might write loads. Take it one sentence at a time. Have him orally say the sentence several times, for example: Last night, i went on a walk with my dog. Count the words and write that many lines on his paper. Have him write the words and go back and read what he wrote often. It’s ok to help him remember his sentence. If he spells a word wrong or makes a letter wrong—LET IT GO! Remember the skill you’re practicing...writing words to make a sentence. If he has to go back and correct every mistake, he will get frustrated and lose focus on what he’s trying to do. When the piece is done, put it away. Maybe he’ll want to come back and revise it/make it better later. Maybe he won’t. It doesn’t matter. Give him help in the beginning, but as he gets better, pull back and let him do more on his own. Once you feel like he has mastered this skill (or is very close), add a new skill. One skill. Every kid is different, but basically, I choose the skills that are going to make his writing easier to read, first. Is he leaving spaces? Is he using basic punctuation? Is his phonetic spelling grade-level appropriate? Tackle those skills ONE AT A TIME. Model a skill and then have him write with that skill in mind. He should build on the skills he’s already learned. Eventually, add more advanced skills like word choice, sentence fluency, sensory details, adding voice (
|
|
eleezybeth
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 2,784
Jun 28, 2014 20:42:01 GMT
|
Post by eleezybeth on Jan 20, 2018 20:42:34 GMT
My first grader is getting nailed with this as well. What we have started doing and it has seemed to really help is to start telling stories. Crazy outlandsish stories that make no sense. It has become fun to tell stories. It usually starts like this, “What’s the name of the girl?” Becky. “Okay, Becky was outside doing what?” Riding a bike. “Oooh what kind of bike?!?” A big huge bike with really tall wheels. “Great! Becky was outside riding her big huge bike with really tall wheels. Soon she was going so fast that what happened.” On and on and on. She doesn’t really know this is homework. I often do it when I pretend to be bored. Or during snuggles. It has been helpful for her.
|
|
snugglebutter
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 2,566
Jul 13, 2014 17:11:31 GMT
|
Post by snugglebutter on Jan 20, 2018 20:43:48 GMT
Please do not write for him (even if it’s his own words) and have him re-copy it. It will not help him develop skills as a writer, will make him dependent on others and he will never develop confidence as a writer. I respectfully disagree with this. In the case of malibou's nephew, he took off on his own after a few sessions. My own children have benefited from this as well, especially my perfectionist child. She now writes poetry, short stories and even a chapter book in her free time. It certainly didn't cripple her.
|
|
katybee
Drama Llama

Posts: 5,610
Jun 25, 2014 23:25:39 GMT
|
Post by katybee on Jan 20, 2018 20:45:51 GMT
(Sorry...had to start a new post...iPad was being weird)..
6+1 Traits is a great resource for ideas for all writing levels.
One last thing—‘cause I know I wrote a book—good mechanics does not equal good writing. Yes—they are important—but they are the easy part. Do not expect kids to use spelling that is beyond what they should know. Embrace phonetic spelling! As he learns formal spelling patterns (hopefully he does some kind of phonics or word work OUTSIDE of writing), you can hold him accountable for those. Same goes for punctuation...find out what he’s responsible to know in first grade and only hold him responsible for that.
I hope that’s helpful. As you can tell, I’m passionate about teaching primary writing and I cringe when I see outdated and ineffective practices that ultimately hurt our young writers.
|
|
katybee
Drama Llama

Posts: 5,610
Jun 25, 2014 23:25:39 GMT
|
Post by katybee on Jan 20, 2018 20:47:42 GMT
Please do not write for him (even if it’s his own words) and have him re-copy it. It will not help him develop skills as a writer, will make him dependent on others and he will never develop confidence as a writer. I respectfully disagree with this. In the case of malibou's nephew, he took off on his own after a few sessions. My own children have benefited from this as well, especially my perfectionist child. She now writes poetry, short stories and even a chapter book in her free time. It certainly didn't cripple her. I’m glad it worked in those cases, but research shows that, in general, it’s not a good practice.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Aug 18, 2025 21:05:54 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 23:48:08 GMT
Like most things related to education, you're going to get a lot of different opinions. Try the ones that make the most sense to you. And let him type if writing with a pencil is a problem. I'd like to know what this teacher is doing to instruct these kids on how to write a story. In my experience as a teacher, I've found that many teachers themselves cannot write creatively and haven't the vaguest idea how to teach children to do so. Often, kids end up writing page after page of nonsense - which is lovely for free-write and journaling but let's not call it a story, please. Taking away privileges is preposterous, by the way. No child wants to fail. If you want to do the formula approach, (which does work for many kids) this is the book I recommend: www.amazon.com/Four-Square-Writing-Method-Approach/dp/1573101885 You can go from writing a sentence in grade one to a paragraph and a story as the grades go up, using the same concept. If you want to take a more organic approach, have him type or write a list of ideas. Pick one. Have him write as much as he can on that idea and then show him how to organize it a bit. If he can't think up enough to say about that idea, have him pick another, until he hits upon one that works. Either way, he will need you or a tutor to sit with him while he writes and encourage him. It should be fun, full of praise, and never punitive - Feel free to PM me if you have questions.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Aug 18, 2025 21:05:54 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 23:53:07 GMT
Mine is 14 and I'm 6th grade and has dyslexia. She's terrible at "writing" stories. She can tell you but the writing assignments get her. One tip I've found that helped her was "pretend your audience (hers is usually her teacher) knows NOTHING about the story you're telling." That really helped her understand how to be descriptive.
|
|