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Post by leftturnonly on May 26, 2018 23:01:51 GMT
It may not define who you are, but it is a piece of information about you that adds to the entire picture of who you are. And these pieces of information are how we make decisions about who we want to associate with. Time to whip out and apply ... (Drumroll please!) Occam's Razor Occam's Razor - The more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation is. You've plenty of pieces of information from all the other threads here to know all you need to know about me. There's no need to make up stuff. It just makes you look very foolish. |
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Post by cadoodlebug on May 26, 2018 23:04:50 GMT
I have lots of friends that voted for Trump. I have lots of friends that voted for Hillary, and they have remained my friends ALL OF THEM, after the election (and many of them WITH each other). This place is the ONLY place I've seen it "cause a rift" in a possible friendship. Nobody that is IN MY LIFE has told me I have to vote one way or the other, or they can't be my friend.  And, as I've said before, anyone in the real world who actually believes that NO ONE they know voted for Trump is delusional. Maybe they don't KNOW it but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 23:20:43 GMT
Please make room for me too. I've always believed that your vote is your vote and my vote is my vote. I've never asked anyone how they voted, to defend their vote or told them that their politics are wrong. I can only decide my vote, it's not my place to tell anyone who to vote for or educate them because they voted wrong. I don't put political signs in my yard or car. I don't talk politics at work. Who I voted for does NOT define who I am.It may not define who you are, but it is a piece of information about you that adds to the entire picture of who you are. And these pieces of information are how we make decisions about who we want to associate with. I don't let politics decide who my friends are. Why would I only want to associate with people who think or vote just like me? How boring that would be. I can disagree with someone without it turning into a name calling knock down drag out fight. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 23:32:00 GMT
It may not define who you are, but it is a piece of information about you that adds to the entire picture of who you are. And these pieces of information are how we make decisions about who we want to associate with. I don't let politics decide who my friends are. Why would I only want to associate with people who think or vote just like me? How boring that would be. I can disagree with someone without it turning into a name calling knock down drag out fight totally agree!! We're not a bunch of "little minions" running around looking for a clone. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 23:45:11 GMT
I have lots of friends that voted for Trump. I have lots of friends that voted for Hillary, and they have remained my friends ALL OF THEM, after the election (and many of them WITH each other). This place is the ONLY place I've seen it "cause a rift" in a possible friendship. Nobody that is IN MY LIFE has told me I have to vote one way or the other, or they can't be my friend. I’m curious, did someone specifically tell you how to vote prior to the election or did they just disagree with your choice after the fact? There is a difference you know. Personally I think those who voted for trump were misguided. All the signs were there in what kind of man he is which would translate into what kind of president he would be but it was ignored. We all will pay a price for the lack of judgement on their part, the question is how high. Having said that, I no longer care what those who get testy about who they voted for think because the deed is done. My concerns are the mid-terms and if we can kick enough Republicans out of Congress so there can be some oversight on trump until we can kick his ass out of office in 2020. And since I’m already intruding on this “conservative only” thread I may as well add one more thing before I leave. Actually I do believe who one votes for and what they vote for does help define one because they are voting for what they believe in. Doesn’t what one believes in define them? |
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Post by leftturnonly on May 26, 2018 23:51:37 GMT
If we're all sitting on the bench, who's playing the game?  Not it! |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 0:23:51 GMT
If we're all sitting on the bench, who's playing the game? Not it! Not it!! |
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Post by peano on May 27, 2018 0:32:58 GMT
It may not define who you are, but it is a piece of information about you that adds to the entire picture of who you are. And these pieces of information are how we make decisions about who we want to associate with. Time to whip out and apply ... (Drumroll please!) Occam's Razor Occam's Razor - The more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation is. You've plenty of pieces of information from all the other threads here to know all you need to know about me. There's no need to make up stuff. It just makes you look very foolish. I wasn't talking to you specifically, or anyone else on this thread. I am not a mind-reader; I don't make assumptions about people. I'm not a spread-sheet keeper and my memory about details on other Peas is sieve-like. I was just discussing my process about how I determine who gets into my life and who doesn't. I ordinarily haven't given two shits about how other people vote, however that changed with the election of Trump, who has demonstrated what a deplorable and vile person he is. I may not have agreed on everything prior presidents have done, but I did not believe they and their actions were a threat to our democracy. Anyone, (and yes, I recognize that many people on this thread didn't vote for him and don't currently support him) who continues to defend him and support him are highly suspect in my eyes. Because to me, it says a LOT about the character of a person who would sit by and countenance the things he has done and said since he took office. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 0:48:28 GMT
Thank you @scrubologist . I had no idea. Imagine that. Fans like the Star Spangled Banner to be played at sporting events. I'm just gonna say it right here and right now. It's incredibly rude for people to continue to bring their hate to this thread when there are endless other sources for them to spew. Oh, I didn't realize that making statements that disagree with your viewpoint = "hate" on the conservative thread. Interesting... I'm glad real life isn't like that. You can not be serious?  On this board, the Left originated and perfected that tactic. Every time someone disagrees with someone on the Left, corrects a misconception with the facts, or mentions the double standard going on in a current discussion, etc. they're labeled as hateful, a troll, a shit stirrer, crazy, derailing the thread. All just new bullshit labels since "you" seemed to have moved on from "you're a fucking moron, RACIST, SEXIST, BROWN PEOPLE HATING, XENOPHOBIC, MYSOGYNISTIC, HOMOPHOBE" when that stopped working for you. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 0:54:14 GMT
Where does "hating" people that voted for Trump, or didn't vote at all, fit in? hatred for Trump does not equal hating people who voted for him or didn't vote at all. Disagreeing with people who voted for Trump and/or who continue to support him does not equal hatred. Or "hatred" as you said. There's a difference between disagreeing with a Trump voter/supporter vs. hating them. We've seen plenty of people across many many many threads show their actual hate for them here. We've seen people say they had to delete friends from Facebook, outright end friendships, and even questioned if they could continue staying married to their husband based on voting for him. Here. On this board. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 1:00:34 GMT
Where does "hating" people that voted for Trump, or didn't vote at all, fit in? In the interests of full disclosure, I did say on an NFL thread yesterday that at that moment, I hated people who voted for Trump, or didn't vote at all. In reality, that was heat of the moment anger and not actually true. In retrospect, what I feel for those people is more akin to puzzlement and pity at how people can be so blind as to overlook his words and behaviors and apparently oblivious to the threat he poses to our political system. It was plain to old apolitical me in the summer of 2016 that he was going to be a disaster for our country, because he showed what a loathsome creature he was on so many occasions. Believe it or not their are people who take in his ACTUAL WORDS as opposed to running them through a filter of twists, pretzel logic, and "he didn't say it, but we know what he really means wink wink" and don't come to the same conclusion "you" conjured up. And they're not wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 2:13:10 GMT
Where have you been for the last year and a half? When was the last time you saw someone politely disagree with anyone they disagreed with who was less liberal than they were? Pay attention to the word choices that have been used and you may begin to see things slightly more objectively. Indeed. Have you read samiam's posts to liberals on this thread and others? And Gia's posts? I don't see polite disagreement with people who are slightly more liberal than they are. A few other posters spring to mind as well. Please don't paint all liberals with this brush. Lots of conservatives are guilty of the same. The only thing you'll see from me is standing up for myself when I'm personally attacked or standing my ground when I'm continuously told the facts I bring to the discussion are wrong because... reason, excuse, deflection, personal attack. Or my opinion doesn't matter because I backed it up with a source "you" refuse to read or watch. I'm civil in my discussions. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 2:41:34 GMT
For me, I have sometimes expressed it — like his puerile tweeting, for one example. I dont feel the need or see the benefit of saying it over and over, though. I do think it’s an oversimplification to say you either do or don’t support this administration and its policies. Haven’t most of us from all parties said that we never completely agree with any one politician or platform, etc? But if I’m being told that I can’t like tax cuts or a SCOTUS appointment because Trump is a sexist pig (or whatever), well, then I’m going to roll my eyes and move along. I’m also trying to figure why other people need to have others react the same way they do. I come here for my enjoyment. Just like my other hobbies where I don’t engage in conversations I don’t want to, why is there a need from some here to get everyone to engage. It’s like there is a need for others to prove themselves worthy and to do that they must engage in Trump bashing. It’s not enough to say you don’t agree with him, you must engage in the right way, loudly and repeatedly. I wonder if my enjoyment of this particular thread is because it’s nice and quiet. It’s usually not full of drama. It’s a nice place to just stop, visit and relax. I don’t want or need the drama, I get enough of that at work and with my family  I actually did call him out repeatedly in the beginning of all this. Then because I corrected some things with facts and disagreed with many hysterical, incorrect or petty posts I was accused of being a trump supporter. I corrected that and proof was demanded. I actually took the time and gave MANY examples with links in a private convo that Delilahtwo initiated and it was deemed "not enough" and reported back to the board as such.  This constant need for everyone to think the same or be ostracized is absurd. The insistence of such, tends to have the opposite effect than they intend. And the denial of wanting an echo chamber that always follows is moronic. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 2:51:13 GMT
Please make room for me too. I've always believed that your vote is your vote and my vote is my vote. I've never asked anyone how they voted, to defend their vote or told them that their politics are wrong. I can only decide my vote, it's not my place to tell anyone who to vote for or educate them because they voted wrong. I don't put political signs in my yard or car. I don't talk politics at work. Who I voted for does NOT define who I am.It may not define who you are, but it is a piece of information about you that adds to the entire picture of who you are. And these pieces of information are how we make decisions about who we want to associate with. Ive seen the decisions made here about "who people are" based on what "you" THINK they meant by what they said vs. what they actually said, way too many times to put any stock in many of those "decisions on who you are". All too often people decide on how they feel about someone or something and then twist the facts to "prove" their bias. |
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Post by redhead32 on May 27, 2018 2:59:56 GMT
I have lots of friends that voted for Trump. I have lots of friends that voted for Hillary, and they have remained my friends ALL OF THEM, after the election (and many of them WITH each other). This place is the ONLY place I've seen it "cause a rift" in a possible friendship. Nobody that is IN MY LIFE has told me I have to vote one way or the other, or they can't be my friend. That's nice. Since I had a DACA recipient living in my house for the last 9 months, it was much different for me. If people from my ultra conservative, right wing area of the country wanted to vocally demand that people like the hard-working, devout, beautiful girl that was living with me deserved to be sent back to her country of origin - despite the fact that she'd only been there 1 time in her 22 years since she came here as a toddler, then I'd try to have a conversation. If they still insisted that DACA recipients needed to get kicked out, then I lost interest in a friendship. There are some things that are non-negotiable for me. Compassion is one of them. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 3:13:24 GMT
I have lots of friends that voted for Trump. I have lots of friends that voted for Hillary, and they have remained my friends ALL OF THEM, after the election (and many of them WITH each other). This place is the ONLY place I've seen it "cause a rift" in a possible friendship. Nobody that is IN MY LIFE has told me I have to vote one way or the other, or they can't be my friend.
Personally I think those who voted for trump were misguided. All the signs were there in what kind of man he is which would translate into what kind of president he would be but it was ignored. We all will pay a price for the lack of judgement on their part, the question is how high. Having said that, I no longer care what those who get testy about who they voted for think because the deed is done. My concerns are the mid-terms and if we can kick enough Republicans out of Congress so there can be some oversight on trump until we can kick his ass out of office in 2020. And since I’m already intruding on this “conservative only” thread I may as well add one more thing before I leave. Actually I do believe who one votes for and what they vote for does help define one because they are voting for what they believe in. Doesn’t what one believes in define them?
There were plenty of "you're a fucking moron if you vote for him or think this or that" type posts AND whole threads devoted to such ideas, before hand. Your own "side" has declared that "we can't afford ideological purity", so why would you expect it from the "other side"? You can vote for someone and yet not believe in everything they believe in, do/say and stand for. |
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Post by katieanna on May 27, 2018 3:24:40 GMT
Ultimately, the question was: Who would be better - Terrible Trump or Horrible Hillary? I wouldn't have voted for Hillary if she was the last candidate on earth. The "price" of having Hillary (as far as I and many others were concerned) was way beyond our nation's ability to pay.
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Post by peano on May 27, 2018 4:38:15 GMT
Ultimately, the question was: Who would be better - Terrible Trump or Horrible Hillary? I wouldn't have voted for Hillary if she was the last candidate on earth. The "price" of having Hillary (as far as I and many others were concerned) was way beyond our nation's ability to pay. Moot point about the "price". However, I can guarantee that children of families seeking political asylum, many under 2 years old, would not be ripped from their mother's arms by ICE at the border and relocated alone to distant cities under Hilary Clinton. This is not how Americans act, this is not what Americans believe. |
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Post by #notLauren on May 27, 2018 4:39:53 GMT
Ultimately, the question was: Who would be better - Terrible Trump or Horrible Hillary? I wouldn't have voted for Hillary if she was the last candidate on earth. The "price" of having Hillary (as far as I and many others were concerned) was way beyond our nation's ability to pay. Moot point about the "price". However, I can guarantee that children of families seeking political asylum, many under 2 years old, would not be ripped from their mother's arms by ICE at the border and relocated alone to distant cities under Hilary Clinton. This is not how Americans act, this is not what Americans believe. No, that is what liberals believe. Most "Americans" believe in the rule of law and lawful immigration. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 4:43:20 GMT
Ultimately, the question was: Who would be better - Terrible Trump or Horrible Hillary? I wouldn't have voted for Hillary if she was the last candidate on earth. The "price" of having Hillary (as far as I and many others were concerned) was way beyond our nation's ability to pay. Moot point about the "price". However, I can guarantee that children of families seeking political asylum, many under 2 years old, would not be ripped from their mother's arms by ICE at the border and relocated alone to distant cities under Hilary Clinton. This is not how Americans act, this is not what Americans believe. No, they'd just have a gun pointed at them and terrorize them under a Clinton.  |
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Post by peano on May 27, 2018 4:46:44 GMT
Moot point about the "price". However, I can guarantee that children of families seeking political asylum, many under 2 years old, would not be ripped from their mother's arms by ICE at the border and relocated alone to distant cities under Hilary Clinton. This is not how Americans act, this is not what Americans believe. No, that is what liberals believe. Most "Americans" believe in the rule of law and lawful immigration. I'm talking about people seeking political asylum, but even if I weren't, it is beyond the pale to separate children from their parents under any circumstances assuming no neglect or abuse. There's just no defense of this behavior. There's no "on both sides" with this argument either. We are better than societies that wouldn't think twice about this...Oh, wait. I guess I mean we used to be better... |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 4:49:50 GMT
No, that is what liberals believe. Most "Americans" believe in the rule of law and lawful immigration. I'm talking about people seeking political asylum, but even if I weren't, it is beyond the pale to separate children from their parents under any circumstances assuming no neglect or abuse. There's just no defense of this behavior. There's no "on both sides" with this argument either. We are better than societies that wouldn't think twice about this... Oh, wait. I guess I mean we used to be better... Clearly, from the giant picture above... no we weren't. |
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Post by peano on May 27, 2018 4:50:32 GMT
Moot point about the "price". However, I can guarantee that children of families seeking political asylum, many under 2 years old, would not be ripped from their mother's arms by ICE at the border and relocated alone to distant cities under Hilary Clinton. This is not how Americans act, this is not what Americans believe. No, they'd just have a gun pointed at them and terrorize them under a Clinton. Even if you could provide some sort of documentation of the source of this image, this experience is not as traumatizing as being ripped from your parents' arms and relocated alone. How can I even respond to this with no context whatsoever? |
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Post by Drew on May 27, 2018 4:53:20 GMT
Ultimately, the question was: Who would be better - Terrible Trump or Horrible Hillary? I wouldn't have voted for Hillary if she was the last candidate on earth. The "price" of having Hillary (as far as I and many others were concerned) was way beyond our nation's ability to pay. We have heard this reasoning over and over... That Trump was less evil than Clinton. I guess my question is, are you happy with your vote? Is America great again? Are you proud? |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 5:15:32 GMT
No, they'd just have a gun pointed at them and terrorize them under a Clinton. Even if you could provide some sort of documentation of the source of this image, this experience is not as traumatizing as being ripped from your parents' arms and relocated alone. How can I even respond to this with no context whatsoever? Elian Gonzalez |
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Post by mirabelleswalker on May 27, 2018 6:59:12 GMT
Moot point about the "price". However, I can guarantee that children of families seeking political asylum, many under 2 years old, would not be ripped from their mother's arms by ICE at the border and relocated alone to distant cities under Hilary Clinton. This is not how Americans act, this is not what Americans believe. No, they'd just have a gun pointed at them and terrorize them under a Clinton. That is not that child’s parents. He was being taken away so that he could be returned to his father. Carry on. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 7:01:46 GMT
No, they'd just have a gun pointed at them and terrorize them under a Clinton. That is not that child’s parents. He was being taken away so that he could be returned to his father. Carry on. With a gun pointed at him and terrorizing him. Under a Clinton. Carry on. |
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Post by mirabelleswalker on May 27, 2018 7:43:15 GMT
That is not that child’s parents. He was being taken away so that he could be returned to his father. Carry on. With a gun pointed at him and terrorizing him. Under a Clinton. Carry on. You have to admit it’s not the same thing as taking a child from his parent and then losing him in a bureaucracy or worse. |
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Post by mollycoddle on May 27, 2018 11:41:39 GMT
I have lots of friends that voted for Trump. I have lots of friends that voted for Hillary, and they have remained my friends ALL OF THEM, after the election (and many of them WITH each other). This place is the ONLY place I've seen it "cause a rift" in a possible friendship. Nobody that is IN MY LIFE has told me I have to vote one way or the other, or they can't be my friend. I also have friends and family that voted for 45, including my oldest brother and SIL. We do not discuss politics. I cannot stand Trump, his tweets, his policies, his SC choice, etc. I have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have discussions with Trump voters. I look at conservative media, and it’s like a different world. I didn’t like 43 as a president, but then I also did not view him as a shameless grifter/ serial liar who is more like a carnival barker than a president. Hopefully Dems will come out in droves in November. And if they don’t, well then I guess that we deserve what we are getting. |
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Post by jennifercw on May 27, 2018 13:35:15 GMT
Hopefully Dems will come out in droves in November. And if they don’t, well then I guess that we deserve what we are getting. You don't even have to come out in droves. You just have to put someone on the ballot that the more moderate conservatives and independents can feel comfortable voting for. In my opinion. |
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And, as I've said before, anyone in the real world who actually believes that NO ONE they know voted for Trump is delusional. Maybe they don't KNOW it but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. 
