Conservative Catch-All

So do I cut my Mexican dil and my Puerto Rican dh, both who voted for Trump out of my life, or call them racist because they voted for Trump? 

There is still that assumption that people that voted for Trump are racist. People don’t want to remember that not all Trump voters were white. Again with the broad brush <sigh>

And Hillary for decades demonstrated what a deplorable and vile person she is.

This whole Trump bad, Hillary good ideation is worth nothing more than fool's gold. 

We did not have an election between Jesus Christ and Lucifer, despite the way the press (and the peas) declaim.

Hmmm..... sounds vaguely familiar. Now, who else did this? Oh, that's right. I did.

I told people to vote for other Republicans in the primaries.




My "testiness" I've shown here is nothing. I have no patience for the still-constant gnattering that surrounds anyone who says anything remotely non-critical of this administration.

Don't like my attitude? 

I.do.not.care.

This is a little simplistic for my beliefs; I think in shades of gray, not black and white. People are human and fallible, and none are without fault. However if you believe that Hillary's misdeeds can even begin to compete with Trump's, well, we'll have to agree to disagree. 

So you'll be voting out all of the Democrats who refused to acknowledge that the country voted in a president who wanted to tighten our borders against illegal immigration and let DACA suffer because of it?

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer "reluctantly put the border wall on the table for discussion" in January in exchange for DACA protection, but then he rescinded it. "The wall offer's off the table" <--- a NY Times link, for those who discriminate. --- Note that the article further states that Schumer's "offer" wasn't even made to begin with and was said just as an attempt to mislead the public, according to the White House.


Some of us still remember REPUBLICAN President Reagan's massive amnesty in the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 for those who were here illegally. It was supposed to be conditional and never to be repeated. 

That worked out just super! So, let's do it again! Let's believe all the rhetoric, give the politicians whatever they want now and just wait for them to do the right thing and actually do what they were elected to do some far off day in the future.



Along with knowing your DACA friend, have you lost anyone recently to a heroin overdose? Do you know any families that have suffered horribly from its hideous resurgence?  Or do you know anyone who has been at the "mercy" of MS13?

Maybe, just maybe, this is a far more complicated situation than the talking heads present. And maybe, just maybe, people who differ with you on the best way to take care of all of our citizens - those who are presently citizens and those who are working their way through the system to become citizens - actually do care. And maybe, just maybe, some of those who you agree with have intentions that are a little less laudable than you are willing to consider.


Or, you can stick with the Democrats good, Republicans bad monotone and make your line in the sand a more permanent border between you and "them."

I started making a list of the ultimate price the country is paying now and will continue to pay in the future.  And our children’s future.  It got to be too long.

Funny how those on the right go on and on about how we are saddling our children with the debt President Obama incurred.   

But yet seem unconcerned about the damage being done by trump and his gang in Congress to the environment, consumer protections, health care, the US standing in the world, automation and globalization the real challenge to jobs in this country.   The decision to move away from clean renewable energy and instead embrace fossil fuels when the rest of the world is moving away from them.  The attack on our National Parks and our coast lines.   And the debt, lets don’t forget that debt along with the cuts coming.

Even if Hillary was a bad as you believe, the damage being done to this country by trump is just too high a price to pay and what a shitty country to leave our children.  

Not all racist people are white, either.

ETA that the treason people think that trump voters are racist is because 1) they were able to condone and in many cases defend his racist behavior and comments or 2) they have made racist comments themselves.

I haven’t completely cut anyone out of my life simply because of who they voted for. But voting for trump is a red flag for me as to what someone’s values are, and how those differ from mine. However, I have distanced myself from some friends and family due to their own behavior and comments since tr campaign and trumps election. They have shown who they truly are and what they value. And it is not compatible with how I want to be, or who I want my kids to be around. In some cases it has been very difficult to find out that people I loved and respected were so different deep down than what they portrayed on the outside. And, Fatar, some of those people were ones who said they didn’t like trump but yet seemed to defend him at every turn, or at least his policies and values. Just like some of the people here.

Sorry if I have a lot of typos. I’m on my phone and can’t see what I am typing because of how the board is working.

I am not the person you are addressing, and I have no desire to "bash" anyone, but I think there are MANY things this administration has done of which I applaud. I'll list one and maybe other conservatives will keep adding. Here's mine:

Neil Gorsuch

Oh you mean the stolen Supreme Court pick from a sitting president by the Senate Majority Leader of the other party?  That is nothing to applaud about.  

How do you feel about things he does that affect the rest of the world?

I realise that the rest of the world isn't your (you personally or the USA's) first priority but maybe it should be pretty high on the list as we're all in this together to a degree. I'm thinking about his relationships with other world leaders (in my mind his provocation of some of the unstable ones could have disastrous consequences for more than just the USA) and things like his insistence that global warming is fake. When a country as big as yours refuses to help bring down dangerous gas levels the rest of us are in more danger. 

Are you comfortable with those issues?

Yes, I am.

The correct term is climate change.

It is also unrealistic to assume everyone is going get with the program and do what needs to be done,

So what you do, is do what you can and chip away at the resistance of those doing nothing.  Because doing something is always going to be better than doing nothing.  And in time others will get with the program, either by choice or gently forced to by laws and technology.   Because what is the alternative?