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Post by Skellinton on May 28, 2018 19:12:08 GMT
The correct term is climate change. Immaterial to the discussion, but proves my point.It is also unrealistic to assume everyone is going get with the program and do what needs to be done, I don't assume this, and my whole post was detailing exactly why I don't. How did you so spectacularly miss that?So what you do, is do what you can and chip away at the resistance of those doing nothing. Because doing something is always going to be better than doing nothing. And in time others will get with the program, either by choice or gently forced to by laws and technology. Because what is the alternative? Sure, doing something in this case might delay the inevitable, but, st this point, it's the inevitable. I can do something by putting butter on a burn, but that is far worse than doing nothing. That's the perniciousness of the "do something" disease. How do I know it's the inevitable? Because of your lifestyle, fred. Yours personally. The very way YOU, fred, live your life and will continue to choose to live your life. With one hand, you are putting band-aids on the wounds you say others are causing, while with the other hand you are cut, cut, cutting away. My death is inevitable as well, as is everyone’s. Does that mean we should all take up smoking cigarettes and eating fast food, because what is the point of taking care of yourself? That is a sad way to look at things. You don’t believe that some people recycling and carpooling and lowering their own waste is going to make any difference or it is such a small difference it doesn’t really matter? I am glad not everyone thinks like you do on that matter. Anything we can do to slow down climate change is important and valuable. Now, I am sure you actually have important things to do, chickens I believe, laundry, blogs to write, you know -life as you have said before.  Unlike the rest of us that are just frittering our time away. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 19:12:09 GMT
The correct term is climate change. Immaterial to the discussion, but proves my point. How is it immaterial to the discussion to correctly call it by the proper name? Folks who continue to refer to this as “global warming” are like the Republican Congressman who went to the floor of the House with a bucket of snowballs to mock “global warming”. If you want to be associated with that lot, that is your choice.It is also unrealistic to assume everyone is going get with the program and do what needs to be done, I don't assume this, and my whole post was detailing exactly why I don't. How did you so spectacularly miss that? In reading your post it came across as “not everyone is going to do what needs to be done so you’re wasting your time in doing anything”So what you do, is do what you can and chip away at the resistance of those doing nothing. Because doing something is always going to be better than doing nothing. And in time others will get with the program, either by choice or gently forced to by laws and technology. Because what is the alternative? Sure, doing something in this case might delay the inevitable, but, st this point, it's the inevitable. I can do something by putting butter on a burn, but that is far worse than doing nothing. That's the perniciousness of the "do something" disease. How do I know it's the inevitable? Because of your lifestyle, fred. Yours personally. The very way YOU, fred, live your life and will continue to choose to live your life. With one hand, you are putting band-aids on the wounds you say others are causing, while with the other hand you are cut, cut, cutting away. The destruction of the world is not inevitable. It’s the choices that we chose to make that will determine the outcome. But one thing is for sure, it’s the type of thinking you displayed above that ultimately will lead to the destruction of the world. So let’s hope it’s in the minority. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 19:28:04 GMT
My death is inevitable as well, as is everyone’s. Does that mean we should all take up smoking cigarettes and eating fast food, because what is the point of taking care of yourself? That is a sad way to look at things. You don’t believe that some people recycling and carpooling and lowering their own waste is going to make any difference or it is such a small difference it doesn’t really matter? I am glad not everyone thinks like you do on that matter. Anything we can do to slow down climate change is important and valuable. Now, I am sure you actually have important things to do, chickens I believe, laundry, blogs to write, you know -life as you have said before. Unlike the rest of us that are just frittering our time away. What was also inevitable was someone — probably not the first or last someone — would come along with the misguided interpretation on what I said as advocating doing nothing or doing worse. Brava for leading the way on that. The personal insults? In your endless quest to make the world a better place, did those serve? |
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Post by Skellinton on May 28, 2018 19:44:16 GMT
My death is inevitable as well, as is everyone’s. Does that mean we should all take up smoking cigarettes and eating fast food, because what is the point of taking care of yourself? That is a sad way to look at things. You don’t believe that some people recycling and carpooling and lowering their own waste is going to make any difference or it is such a small difference it doesn’t really matter? I am glad not everyone thinks like you do on that matter. Anything we can do to slow down climate change is important and valuable. Now, I am sure you actually have important things to do, chickens I believe, laundry, blogs to write, you know -life as you have said before. Unlike the rest of us that are just frittering our time away. What was also inevitable was someone — probably not the first or last someone — would come along with the misguided interpretation on what I said as advocating doing nothing or doing worse. Brava for leading the way on that. The personal insults? In your endless quest to make the world a better place, did those serve? I didn’t insult you, I just quoted your words from an earlier post. If you found it insulting when said to you, don’t you think everyone you said it to before probably found it insulting? Regarding doing nothing or doing worse, point taken. So, since we are all going to die, should we not go to the doctor? Should we not take medicine when we are sick? Should we not exercise to stay healthy? Is that analogy up to your standards? |
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Post by tara on May 28, 2018 20:53:28 GMT
The correct term is climate change. Immaterial to the discussion, but proves my point.It is also unrealistic to assume everyone is going get with the program and do what needs to be done, I don't assume this, and my whole post was detailing exactly why I don't. How did you so spectacularly miss that?So what you do, is do what you can and chip away at the resistance of those doing nothing. Because doing something is always going to be better than doing nothing. And in time others will get with the program, either by choice or gently forced to by laws and technology. Because what is the alternative? Sure, doing something in this case might delay the inevitable, but, st this point, it's the inevitable. I can do something by putting butter on a burn, but that is far worse than doing nothing. That's the perniciousness of the "do something" disease. How do I know it's the inevitable? Because of your lifestyle, fred. Yours personally. The very way YOU, fred, live your life and will continue to choose to live your life. With one hand, you are putting band-aids on the wounds you say others are causing, while with the other hand you are cut, cut, cutting away. I’m on my phone but picture that damn emoji with the mouth hangin open. That’s me right now. |
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Post by peatlejuice on May 28, 2018 22:01:57 GMT
About Global Warming. Let's all agree that global warming is real and that human beings are a major cause of it (whether or not we all actually agree is immaterial to my opinion on the matter.) I am always surprised that everyone doesn't understand that we're never coming back from this. Human beings, as a group, are not willing or able to do what would need to be done to actually reverse any deleterious effects they're causing. Not in the worldwide or personal sense. You can keep separating your garbage and picketing for the Paris Accord and buying zero-emissions vehicles, and none of that is going to make the least bit of difference. Every human being individually and as a group would have to do everything that decreases our footprint from this moment until forever, and no matter how much you think you personally do and encourage others to do, what we're all doing amounts to zilch. We're still buying electronics and driving and procreating and consuming, consuming, consuming, and since we're not really willing to stop doing all of that (and since human beings can't stop doing at least some of that) it's all just lip service and a handy tool with which to bash one another over the head. So because nobody is willing to do everything in order to reverse the effects, everybody should do nothing so we can get to the inevitable end faster? That's some real nihilist thinking there. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 23:09:33 GMT
What was also inevitable was someone — probably not the first or last someone — would come along with the misguided interpretation on what I said as advocating doing nothing or doing worse. Brava for leading the way on that. The personal insults? In your endless quest to make the world a better place, did those serve? I didn’t insult you, I just quoted your words from an earlier post. If you found it insulting when said to you, don’t you think everyone you said it to before probably found it insulting? No, I don't because context is everything, and when I said it before it was in reference to policing this thread. There are those who are insulted by this thread's very existence, though, and find insults where none exist, so what can you do?Regarding doing nothing or doing worse, point taken. So, since we are all going to die, should we not go to the doctor? Should we not take medicine when we are sick? Should we not exercise to stay healthy? Is that analogy up to your standards? I don't see going to the doctor as a "should or should not" situation unless we're talking about the care of those who cannot care for themselves. For autonomous adults, the decision to go or not is up to them, as is the decision to exercise, etc. If you're asking do I think it's pointless to go to the doctor since we're all just going to die, my answer is no, it's often not pointless. There comes a time in all our lives, though, when it will be. We all have the freedom, so far, to decide when that is. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 23:12:55 GMT
About Global Warming. Let's all agree that global warming is real and that human beings are a major cause of it (whether or not we all actually agree is immaterial to my opinion on the matter.) I am always surprised that everyone doesn't understand that we're never coming back from this. Human beings, as a group, are not willing or able to do what would need to be done to actually reverse any deleterious effects they're causing. Not in the worldwide or personal sense. You can keep separating your garbage and picketing for the Paris Accord and buying zero-emissions vehicles, and none of that is going to make the least bit of difference. Every human being individually and as a group would have to do everything that decreases our footprint from this moment until forever, and no matter how much you think you personally do and encourage others to do, what we're all doing amounts to zilch. We're still buying electronics and driving and procreating and consuming, consuming, consuming, and since we're not really willing to stop doing all of that (and since human beings can't stop doing at least some of that) it's all just lip service and a handy tool with which to bash one another over the head. So because nobody is willing to do everything in order to reverse the effects, everybody should do nothing so we can get to the inevitable end faster? That's some real nihilist thinking there. No. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 29, 2018 0:30:53 GMT
My death is inevitable as well, as is everyone’s. Does that mean we should all take up smoking cigarettes and eating fast food, because what is the point of taking care of yourself? That is a sad way to look at things. You don’t believe that some people recycling and carpooling and lowering their own waste is going to make any difference or it is such a small difference it doesn’t really matter? I am glad not everyone thinks like you do on that matter. Anything we can do to slow down climate change is important and valuable. Now, I am sure you actually have important things to do, chickens I believe, laundry, blogs to write, you know -life as you have said before. Unlike the rest of us that are just frittering our time away. What was also inevitable was someone — probably not the first or last someone — would come along with the misguided interpretation on what I said as advocating doing nothing or doing worse. Brava for leading the way on that. The personal insults? In your endless quest to make the world a better place, did those serve? I took your post that way as well. Seems like a Good way to justify what is being done to the environment by this administration—nothing we do will help so who cares if we live in a dump in the meantime, right? |
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Post by moodyblue on May 29, 2018 0:34:06 GMT
What was also inevitable was someone — probably not the first or last someone — would come along with the misguided interpretation on what I said as advocating doing nothing or doing worse. Brava for leading the way on that. The personal insults? In your endless quest to make the world a better place, did those serve? I took your post that way as well. Good way to justify what is being done to the environment by this administration—nothing we do will help so who cares if we live in a dump in the meantime, right? I think several of us read that post as saying nothing would make a difference, that doom was inevitable. I found it really depressing to read. |
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Post by mom on May 29, 2018 1:14:14 GMT
I caught a snippet on the radio about him being released but hadn't had time to read more into it. Thanks for sharing. SaveSave |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 29, 2018 1:15:20 GMT
Anyone hear of the release of Joshua Holt in Venezuela? He was in prison for over two years. Corker was also involved. Personally I wish that Mr Holt was not expected to appear at the White House, before he had a chance to debrief and visit with his family. But yes he is free. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 2:05:47 GMT
What was also inevitable was someone — probably not the first or last someone — would come along with the misguided interpretation on what I said as advocating doing nothing or doing worse. Brava for leading the way on that. The personal insults? In your endless quest to make the world a better place, did those serve? I took your post that way as well. Seems like a Good way to justify what is being done to the environment by this administration—nothing we do will help so who cares if we live in a dump in the meantime, right? Again, no. You post this even after my clarification? Why? |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 29, 2018 2:10:07 GMT
I took your post that way as well. Seems like a Good way to justify what is being done to the environment by this administration—nothing we do will help so who cares if we live in a dump in the meantime, right? Again, no. You post this even after my clarification? Why? Which clarification is that? |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 2:16:17 GMT
I took your post that way as well. Good way to justify what is being done to the environment by this administration—nothing we do will help so who cares if we live in a dump in the meantime, right? I think several of us read that post as saying nothing would make a difference, that doom was inevitable. I found it really depressing to read. A lot of things might make a difference, but no one is actually willing or able to do them. No one, not you, not me, not anyone on this board (because we’re all on this board via our electronic devices, after all.) If human behavior is to blame for the larger part of global warming, the changes required of the human race to combat that are never going to happen. Because we both can’t and won’t. It is depressing. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 2:17:47 GMT
Again, no. You post this even after my clarification? Why? Which clarification is that? The very one you quoted — that my post would be misread as me advocating for doing nothing. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 29, 2018 2:19:05 GMT
Which clarification is that? The very one you quoted — that my post would be misread as me advocating for doing nothing. I don’t see any explanation that makes me think differently of the intention of your post. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 2:24:01 GMT
The very one you quoted — that my post would be misread as me advocating for doing nothing. I don’t see any explanation that makes me think differently of the intention of your post. Okey doke. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 2:57:59 GMT
With a gun pointed at him and terrorizing him. Under a Clinton. Carry on. You have to admit it’s not the same thing as taking a child from his parent and then losing him in a bureaucracy or worse. You can't be seriously downplaying pointing a gun at a child and terrorizing him?!!! |
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Post by snowsilver on May 29, 2018 3:07:51 GMT
We talk and talk about climate change and how humans can change it. But really we are only willing to take tiny little steps (such as forcibly removing plastic grocery bags from people). But few are willing to make the major changes--such as switching to a vegetarian diet. The BBC recently published an article that stated that "In the US, for example, an average family of four emits more greenhouse gases because of the meat they eat than from driving two cars – but it is cars, not steaks, that regularly come up in discussions about global warming." Marco Springmann, a research fellow at the Oxford Martin School’s Future of Food programme, tried to quantify just how much better the world would be if we went vegetarian, he and his colleagues built computer models that predicted what would happen if everyone became vegetarian by 2050. The results indicate that – largely thanks to the elimination of red meat – food-related emissions would drop by about 60%. If the world went vegan instead, emissions declines would be around 70%
I'll be frank here--I have little respect for those who try to take away my plastic bags or plastic straws (by LAW no less) and still demand their meat. When those of you who are clinging to your steaks are willing to let them go, I'll talk to you about plastic grocery bags which account for a MUCH smaller emission footprint that your meat does. Meat eating not only is detrimental to our health overall, but it adds to climate change and worldwide hunger. If you want to change the world for future generations, stop eating meat.
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Post by Skellinton on May 29, 2018 3:10:09 GMT
You have to admit it’s not the same thing as taking a child from his parent and then losing him in a bureaucracy or worse. You can't be seriously downplaying pointing a gun at a child and terrorizing him?!!! Reading comprehension is a good thing, she isn’t downplaying anything, she said they are not the same thing. Do you seriously not see the difference? And even if you think they are equal situations since when does two wrongs make a right? I don’t see anywhere where she condoned the actions of what happened to Elian Gonzales. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 3:12:58 GMT
There is still that assumption that people that voted for Trump are racist. People don’t want to remember that not all Trump voters were white. Again with the broad brush <sigh> Not all racist people are white, either. ETA that the treason people think that trump voters are racist is because 1) they were able to condone and in many cases defend his racist behavior and comments or 2) they have made racist comments themselves. I haven’t completely cut anyone out of my life simply because of who they voted for. But voting for trump is a red flag for me as to what someone’s values are, and how those differ from mine. However, I have distanced myself from some friends and family due to their own behavior and comments since tr campaign and trumps election. They have shown who they truly are and what they value. And it is not compatible with how I want to be, or who I want my kids to be around. In some cases it has been very difficult to find out that people I loved and respected were so different deep down than what they portrayed on the outside. And, Fatar, some of those people were ones who said they didn’t like trump but yet seemed to defend him at every turn, or at least his policies and values. Just like some of the people here. Sorry if I have a lot of typos. I’m on my phone and can’t see what I am typing because of how the board is working. The problem with that is they weren't 1) condoning or defending racist behavior, they were taking the behavior/words at face value vs. 2) the twisted, "he didn't actually say something racist, but we know he meant to be racist" bullshit. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 3:15:34 GMT
Would you like to state some proud moments from the current administration and not bash others...just some thoughts as to what you think is great. Just curious... ...so they can all be dismissed or demonized in some form or fashion. As demonstrated by the following posts in response. |
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Post by Skellinton on May 29, 2018 3:16:16 GMT
We talk and talk about climate change and how humans can change it. But really we are only willing to take tiny little steps (such as forcibly removing plastic grocery bags from people). But few are willing to make the major changes--such as switching to a vegetarian diet. The BBC recently published an article that stated that "In the US, for example, an average family of four emits more greenhouse gases because of the meat they eat than from driving two cars – but it is cars, not steaks, that regularly come up in discussions about global warming." Marco Springmann, a research fellow at the Oxford Martin School’s Future of Food programme, tried to quantify just how much better the world would be if we went vegetarian, he and his colleagues built computer models that predicted what would happen if everyone became vegetarian by 2050. The results indicate that – largely thanks to the elimination of red meat – food-related emissions would drop by about 60%. If the world went vegan instead, emissions declines would be around 70% I'll be frank here--I have little respect for those who try to take away my plastic bags or plastic straws (by LAW no less) and still demand their meat. When those of you who are clinging to your steaks are willing to let them go, I'll talk to you about plastic grocery bags which account for a MUCH smaller emission footprint that your meat does. Meat eating not only is detrimental to our health overall, but it adds to climate change and worldwide hunger. If you want to change the world for future generations, stop eating meat. So, since not everyone is vegetarian we shouldn’t do anything? I don’t eat red meat and I won’t buy it or cook it for anyone in my family. I haven’t for over 30 years. So, please, tell me why you should be allowed to have plastic bags and why they are more important to you then the planet we live one. Regarding straws they are not just wasteful they are dangerous to animals. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 3:23:18 GMT
So do I cut my Mexican dil and my Puerto Rican dh, both who voted for Trump out of my life, or call them racist because they voted for Trump? Y'all right-wingers sure are a weird bunch when it comes to finding something out of nothing. Redhead's entire post discussed her personal experience of when and why she cut Trump supporters out of her life and you managed to find a way to make it not only about your family, but about whether Trump supporters were only white. Uh, no. Redhead's post was in response to gmcwife1 discussing HER personal experience, so if that's your take on the discussion, it was Redhead who "made it all about her family". |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 3:30:20 GMT
I am not the person you are addressing, and I have no desire to "bash" anyone, but I think there are MANY things this administration has done of which I applaud. I'll list one and maybe other conservatives will keep adding. Here's mine: Neil Gorsuch How do you feel about things he does that affect the rest of the world? I realise that the rest of the world isn't your (you personally or the USA's) first priority but maybe it should be pretty high on the list as we're all in this together to a degree. I'm thinking about his relationships with other world leaders (in my mind his provocation of some of the unstable ones could have disastrous consequences for more than just the USA) and things like his insistence that global warming is fake. When a country as big as yours refuses to help bring down dangerous gas levels the rest of us are in more danger. Are you comfortable with those issues? I think most people who have an issue with global warming isn't that GLOBAL WARMING itself is fake, I think everyone realizes that climate change is, has been, and will continue to happen. With or without us. What they seem to have issue with is that the measures and cost are not as effective as the claims say they will be. |
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Post by snowsilver on May 29, 2018 3:33:44 GMT
We talk and talk about climate change and how humans can change it. But really we are only willing to take tiny little steps (such as forcibly removing plastic grocery bags from people). But few are willing to make the major changes--such as switching to a vegetarian diet. The BBC recently published an article that stated that "In the US, for example, an average family of four emits more greenhouse gases because of the meat they eat than from driving two cars – but it is cars, not steaks, that regularly come up in discussions about global warming." Marco Springmann, a research fellow at the Oxford Martin School’s Future of Food programme, tried to quantify just how much better the world would be if we went vegetarian, he and his colleagues built computer models that predicted what would happen if everyone became vegetarian by 2050. The results indicate that – largely thanks to the elimination of red meat – food-related emissions would drop by about 60%. If the world went vegan instead, emissions declines would be around 70% I'll be frank here--I have little respect for those who try to take away my plastic bags or plastic straws (by LAW no less) and still demand their meat. When those of you who are clinging to your steaks are willing to let them go, I'll talk to you about plastic grocery bags which account for a MUCH smaller emission footprint that your meat does. Meat eating not only is detrimental to our health overall, but it adds to climate change and worldwide hunger. If you want to change the world for future generations, stop eating meat. So, since not everyone is vegetarian we shouldn’t do anything? I don’t eat red meat and I won’t buy it or cook it for anyone in my family. I haven’t for over 30 years. So, please, tell me why you should be allowed to have plastic bags and why they are more important to you then the planet we live one. I am absolutely NOT saying that. What I am saying is that I get frustrated by what seems to me an obsession with the small things (plastic bags, straws, etc.) that would undoubtedly help at least in a tiny way to stay the destruction of our planet, but few are willing to make the BIG changes that would help in major ways. And Skellington, good for you for having made that change. I would be willing--due to the fact that you walk the walk--to listen to what YOU have to say about other changes. It's the people who want to legislate the dinky changes but are selfish enough to refuse to change the BIG stuff (that not only would help save the planet, but would also decrease worldwide hunger in a huge way) that I have no time for.
Yes, this is kind of a hobbyhorse of mine, so forgive me for the strong words. But truly, no one will ever convince me that they are true apostles of working towards a "green" planet while still consuming meat.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 29, 2018 3:34:07 GMT
We talk and talk about climate change and how humans can change it. But really we are only willing to take tiny little steps (such as forcibly removing plastic grocery bags from people). But few are willing to make the major changes--such as switching to a vegetarian diet. The BBC recently published an article that stated that "In the US, for example, an average family of four emits more greenhouse gases because of the meat they eat than from driving two cars – but it is cars, not steaks, that regularly come up in discussions about global warming." Marco Springmann, a research fellow at the Oxford Martin School’s Future of Food programme, tried to quantify just how much better the world would be if we went vegetarian, he and his colleagues built computer models that predicted what would happen if everyone became vegetarian by 2050. The results indicate that – largely thanks to the elimination of red meat – food-related emissions would drop by about 60%. If the world went vegan instead, emissions declines would be around 70% I'll be frank here--I have little respect for those who try to take away my plastic bags or plastic straws (by LAW no less) and still demand their meat. When those of you who are clinging to your steaks are willing to let them go, I'll talk to you about plastic grocery bags which account for a MUCH smaller emission footprint that your meat does. Meat eating not only is detrimental to our health overall, but it adds to climate change and worldwide hunger. If you want to change the world for future generations, stop eating meat. I have also heard that there would be problems for the environment if everyone was vegetarian. What is happening to the environment under this administration is much more than taking away straws and plastic bags, IMO. |
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Post by peatlejuice on May 29, 2018 3:36:25 GMT
So because nobody is willing to do everything in order to reverse the effects, everybody should do nothing so we can get to the inevitable end faster? That's some real nihilist thinking there. No. No, it's not nihilist thinking? No, that's not what you're saying? For someone who gets so testy about other misconstruing what she says, you sure don't state your positions clearly. By the by (not directed to you), one of the top ways to reduce your carbon footprint is by having one less child. Reasonable access to birth control and allowing women to decide the vacancy status of their uterus for themselves would sure go a long way to accomplish that. |
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