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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 19:19:16 GMT
leftturnonly You've said every single thing I've wanted to say or have felt since the election but couldn't come up with the right words.
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Post by missmiss on May 31, 2018 19:27:24 GMT
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Post by azredhead on May 31, 2018 19:31:38 GMT
And so do democrats and liberals. take the Samantha Bee thing.. too.. while they are different offenses it's not ok.I am Calling some a c*** and telling a group of people they need to eat pork to be an American are not equal. Calling someone a c*** and telling a group of people to answer a questionnaire on beating their wife due to their religion isn't the same. Calling names should never happen I agree. I was just asking how people of the Islam faith feel when it happens to them by government officials. Conservatives vote for these people. These are the government officials Conservatives are putting into office making these statements. If you are complaining about and I bet it would be a safe bet that other Christians are complaining about it. Now are those Christians voting for these government officials? I would say yes. Overall it sucks and it shouldn't be said I do agree with you. I have heard and read Christians saying Muslims should rot in Hell and many other nasty things. I am sure those Christians are not conservatives. How many conservatives speak out against those politicians? Now how many Democrats speak out about the nasty things that are said by all people? There are evil people in the world. A political party does not define who is good or bad. Just a curious question not related at all to this post. Why did you say Democrats and Liberals? What is the difference just curious on that? Generally I hear liberals instead of Democrats. To answer your ?? I think it's the same as saying one is Conservative but not republican. They share many views but maybe not all or some. For me I'm not Republican. We (my husband and I) denounced them, two years ago. Yes because we didn't like what they were representing. I am however, conservative. But I also like to stay middle ground. I have family that are liberal but not democrates. Some did NOT want to vote for Hilary and were not sure who to voite for. We had the same problem in that regard. Does that make sense?
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Post by missmiss on May 31, 2018 19:40:05 GMT
Yep makes total sense. Thanks for explaining.
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Post by azredhead on May 31, 2018 19:44:49 GMT
Yep makes total sense. Thanks for explaining. wheeew.. thank you I was starting to worry I was not speaking clearly from yesterday! I don't mean that sacastacly! I get fiesty and then try to spell it out and it doesn't always work. I thank you for the kind ? and response.
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Post by missmiss on May 31, 2018 20:00:45 GMT
Yep makes total sense. Thanks for explaining. wheeew.. thank you I was starting to worry I was not speaking clearly from yesterday! I don't mean that sacastacly! I get fiesty and then try to spell it out and it doesn't always work. I thank you for the kind ? and response. You are welcome!
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Post by #notLauren on May 31, 2018 21:16:56 GMT
This is an article I linked here long ago (early 2014) But we have evolved since then. sassyangel - You were asking about college applications. I'll do you one better. My husband died 7 years ago. I filled out some on-line dating profiles afterwards and didn't hesitate to include that I am conservative. I wouldn't dream of doing that today, because now that is somehow supposed to mean that I am uneducated, easily manipulated, of low morals, a scientifically ignorant denier, complicit in misogyny and basically socially unfit for good people. I Quite impressive additions to the very tired list of being a homophobic, xenophobic, narrow-minded, gun-toting Bible-thumper. Again, the reality doesn't matter. My narrow vocabulary is all the proof anyone here needs to be convinced of that conservatism is something believed by only the poorly educated. If only I had gone to a better school.... Except, I went to a very good school. If only I had taken some science classes so that I might better understand.... Except I earned a difficult Bachelor of Science degree. You see. The criticisms keeps coming and coming and coming, even on this thread, of who conservatives are, what they believe, what they want... Whether it's true or not doesn't matter. Someone somewhere who is not a liberal posted, tweeted or commented on social media the most disgusting thing never even imagined before and anyone who doesn't immediately denounce it may as well just openly wear that swastika armband instead of keeping it hidden. (This is a general commentary, intended to include the vile comments deliberate trolls leave for whatever reasons trolls leave vile comments. Roseanne could be included as easily as the 13 year old kid on summer vacation sitting alone in his bedroom. The only requirement is that it not be against Trump. Anything against Trump is high-fived and therefore doesn't apply to the required condemnation.) This board is a microcosm of the 4th Estate, that vast array of media that includes newspapers, magazines, online blogs, social media, TV news networks and online news in print and video, loudly and frequently crying about the loss of freedom of speech awaiting them - all done without consequence. No going to jail or losing the continued ability to cry about their terrible loss - because the President of the United States has the gall to tell them they are doing a terrible job. We must uphold the Constitution! We have no nation without the 1st Amendment! This President is as bad as North Korean's Kim Jong-un. No, he's not as bad.. he's worse! He's right up there with Hitler. (I'm wondering where the hundreds of thousands of dead bodies are from the hard labor camps, but I get distracted easily. Another of my faults to add to the list.) The same people, FWIW, point fingers. Because of me and people like me, Donald Trump is going to destroy the world and if I won't criticize every.little.tweet, I do not deserve to have a voice. Huge campaigns to quiet opposing voices on opposing outlets have been met with limited success. People like Alan Dershowitz who have been long-heralded for a lifetime devoted to the protection of people under our Constitution are suddenly considered to have lost their way because they continue to do what they have always done and advocate for the rights of people in the Trump administration under the Constitution. The 1st Amendment is ironclad. Now, that 2nd Amendment. THAT NEEDS TO GO! The Constitution is not something that is unchangeable. (We have a process to amend the Constitution, but hey. That's an inconvenient fact.) What did old white guys know about danger in the 1770's? They didn't understand how much more dangerous it is for the individual to be allowed to defend themselves, their families and their property because.... they didn't have the same weapons. We had these weapons before we had a limited and ineffective 10 year ban. Yet, it was during that ban that Columbine occurred. 17 people died at Parkland and the nation went on a national protest. Just over Memorial Day weekend in Chicago, 9 were killed and 29 more were wounded and the nation goes about its business. We may continue to ignore this difference because Chicago is what? A throwaway? Just what is going on within our society? What has changed? We've been armed to the teeth since the 1770's. Is it really just because some of these weapons have evolved? We're not allowed to consider that the breakdown of our Christian-Judeo beliefs could be somehow at fault, because that would be intolerant. Not to mention ignorant, because what kind of God would have us as his creation! Families do not need a stable home for children to be born into. The rate of unwed motherhood has skyrocketed. Where are the marches demanding men take care of their children? No. The answer is guns. We have too many of them. They are too deadly. Anyone who says anything else needs to also be considered is guilty of murdering innocent children. Do these sound like random ramblings? Ha! You can find them and more like them on any given day right here at this board. I don't need links because you can pretty well find threads where they thrive on page one any time you care to look. The message is clear. Do not have a difference of opinion. You want to get into a good college where the vast majority of openly liberal teachers outweigh those who aren't? Do not include that you have conservative values. Colleges need to protect people from such radicalism. You're amazing. Sadly this will fall on many liberal deaf ears as the posts of the same old-same old "your side's actions are far worse than than bad acts our side does" show. I will never understanding that mindset of excusing bad behavior by claiming other behavior is worse.
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Post by PLurker on May 31, 2018 22:40:58 GMT
I’m sitting on my hands now. don’t wanna be accused of being programmed or rascist. I agree with about every thing here and leftturnonly . . And then they want open a disc about religion and if and how God speaks to us?!? So it’s ok to make fun of some one but don’t you dare critisize race. (Half kidding) . I’m am great ful to you guys that can keep going with good converstations and be heard. The justification is crazy! I am sorry if I have not put my words out there clearly! I’m just stunned! @azread I am confused. Yesterday you said you were having trouble communicating what you were say re: religious beliefs and race. I stepped in, giving you the benefit of the doubt, rewording and questioned if you were misunderstood perhaps meaning both were bad but not equal. You liked my post and agreed ( I thought) The bolded above has me confused again. criticize (is by definition): indicate the faults of (someone or something) in a disapproving way. What fault/mistake is it for the state of your skin color at birth? Skin color is not up for debate or criticism. Can not be changed. What's to debate/criticize if nothing can be changed. Again, we can argue the pro and cons of religious beliefs endlessly. And find some faults here and there. At some point someone could even see something from a different point of view and change their minds. Is it okay to make fun of someone's religious beliefs? In a belittling and cruel way, no. To disagree, discuss, debate, yes. "don’t you dare critisize race"<<< your words. Criticism (finding fault) of a person for their race is racism. No debate. Skin color is not up for debate or criticism. Can not be changed. What's to debate/criticize if nothing can be changed. color me confused (again) But in my mind, yes to your words " don’t you dare critisize race".
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Post by leftturnonly on May 31, 2018 22:45:43 GMT
Skin color is not up for debate or criticism. Can not be changed.
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Post by azredhead on May 31, 2018 22:46:31 GMT
I’m sitting on my hands now. don’t wanna be accused of being programmed or rascist. I agree with about every thing here and leftturnonly . . And then they want open a disc about religion and if and how God speaks to us?!? So it’s ok to make fun of some one but don’t you dare critisize race. (Half kidding) . I’m am great ful to you guys that can keep going with good converstations and be heard. The justification is crazy! I am sorry if I have not put my words out there clearly! I’m just stunned! @azread I am confused. Yesterday you said you were having trouble communicating what you were say re: religious beliefs and race. I stepped in, giving you the benefit of the doubt, rewording and questioned if you were misunderstood perhaps meaning both were bad but not equal. You liked my post and agreed ( I thought) The bolded above has me confused again. criticize (is by definition): indicate the faults of (someone or something) in a disapproving way. What fault/mistake is it for the state of your skin color at birth? Skin color is not up for debate or criticism. Can not be changed. What's to debate/criticize if nothing can be changed. Again, we can argue the pro and cons of religious beliefs endlessly. And find some faults here and there. At some point someone could even see something from a different point of view and change their minds. Is it okay to make fun of someone's religious beliefs? In a belittling and cruel way, no. To disagree, discuss, debate, yes. "don’t you dare critisize race"<<< your words. Criticism (finding fault) of a person for their race is racism. No debate. Skin color is not up for debate or criticism. Can not be changed. What's to debate/criticize if nothing can be changed. color me confused (again) But in my mind, yes to your words " don’t you dare critisize racearqument
My frustration has been that... I'm trying to see how I can explain but with this I was meaning that it seems like if we disagree we're racists.. that's how I felt yesterday. It's not letting me quote right.. it's putting it in with yours. If I think both of those were bad not equal it doesn't excuse the behavior?
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Post by azredhead on May 31, 2018 22:48:21 GMT
PLurker its not letting me quote you right and tags are easier... my frustration has been that... I'm trying to see how I can explain but with this I was meaning that it seems like if we disagree we're racists.. that's how I felt yesterday. It's not letting me quote right.. it's putting it in with yours. I think both of those were bad not equal it doesn't excuse the behavior?
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Post by leftturnonly on May 31, 2018 22:50:32 GMT
azredhead - you have to do this bizarre dance on the longer reply, not the quick reply, where you click on the BBCode instead of Preview view just to get the stupid pointer out of the quote box.
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Post by azredhead on May 31, 2018 22:51:41 GMT
I also see it on the SamanthaBee one 'well they said this so this is worse' Just because it's worse it doesn't make either one right? It doesn't make one racist, unless you agree with it.
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Post by PLurker on May 31, 2018 23:06:04 GMT
Skin color is not up for debate or criticism. Can not be changed. oh, please. skin color as in race. not bad makeup/tanning/changes you've made in yourself. ^^^Not racism.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 31, 2018 23:08:00 GMT
is orange Donald Trump's natural skin color? I had no idea. (and ditto to what PLurker said.)
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 23:11:17 GMT
What exactly did Ivanka do that prompted the comments by Samantha Bee? I know she posted a picture of herself and her son, but is there more to it than that? Did Ivanka say something?
What am I missing?
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Post by PLurker on May 31, 2018 23:11:18 GMT
PLurker its not letting me quote you right and tags are easier... my frustration has been that... I'm trying to see how I can explain but with this I was meaning that it seems like if we disagree we're racists.. that's how I felt yesterday. It's not letting me quote right.. it's putting it in with yours. I think both of those were bad not equal it doesn't excuse the behavior? not ignoring you. Still reading and trying to comprehend. I'll reread later. Perhaps it'll make more sense if I come back to it later.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 31, 2018 23:13:27 GMT
What exactly did Ivanka do that prompted the comments by Samantha Bee? I know she posted a picture of herself and her son, but is there more to it than that? Did Ivanka say something?
What am I missing?
I didn't watch the entire episode, but I'm fairly certain it had to do with the fact that Ivanka posted a very nice photo of herself and her son, and wrote how precious it was to spend time with him on a Sunday morning. Sam Bee said maybe she could talk to her father and get him to do reverse the abhorrent policy regarding immigrant / refugee children who are being taken away from THEIR parents' arms... because THEY might like to spend time with THEIR children, too. Ivanka has written a few rather tone-deaf things along these lines over the past year or so.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 23:16:38 GMT
What exactly did Ivanka do that prompted the comments by Samantha Bee? I know she posted a picture of herself and her son, but is there more to it than that? Did Ivanka say something?
What am I missing?
I didn't watch the entire episode, but I'm fairly certain it had to do with the fact that Ivanka posted a very nice photo of herself and her son, and wrote how precious it was to spend time with him on a Sunday morning. Sam Bee said maybe she could talk to her father and get him to do reverse the abhorrent policy regarding immigrant / refugee children who are being taken away from THEIR parents' arms... because THEY might like to spend time with THEIR children, too. Ivanka has written a few rather tone-deaf things along these lines over the past year or so. Thanks for explaining.
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Post by azredhead on May 31, 2018 23:17:19 GMT
PLurker I’ll just say that. On some issues, if conservatives or Republican disagree or even sometimes don’t denounce things, then we are called racists. We have and almost anyone who has read the tweets, has said they both BAD, horrible and inexcusable. One IS WORtSE yes but they are BOTH still BAD! It doeS not excuse either. I think most agree on that. I hope it’s only if you agree with their statement, especially the racist then yes you would be racist.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 1, 2018 1:16:10 GMT
oh, please. skin color as in race. not bad makeup/tanning/changes you've made in yourself. ^^^Not racism. I disagree.
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Post by missmiss on Jun 1, 2018 1:19:40 GMT
oh, please. skin color as in race. not bad makeup/tanning/changes you've made in yourself. ^^^Not racism. I disagree. Disagre that it is makeup?
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Post by mom26 on Jun 1, 2018 1:27:55 GMT
oh, please. skin color as in race. not bad makeup/tanning/changes you've made in yourself. ^^^Not racism. I disagree. So do I. Using one's appearance - whether it's race-based, unfortunate genetics or even a bad spray tan - to degrade and insult is deplorable.
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Post by missmiss on Jun 1, 2018 1:41:08 GMT
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Post by mom26 on Jun 1, 2018 1:42:58 GMT
Spoken like a true liberal elite. You guys never fail to rise to your lowness.
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Post by Skellinton on Jun 1, 2018 1:43:16 GMT
So do I. Using one's appearance - whether it's race-based, unfortunate genetics or even a bad spray tan - to degrade and insult is deplorable. But is it racism?
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Post by missmiss on Jun 1, 2018 1:51:53 GMT
Spoken like a true liberal elite. You guys never fail to rise to your lowness. Haha nope. Spoken as a if you are going to treat people rude you should expect it back. This has nothing to do with my political beliefs. One should not expect to be treated kindly if you do not treat people kindly.
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Post by Just T on Jun 1, 2018 1:52:04 GMT
So do I. Using one's appearance - whether it's race-based, unfortunate genetics or even a bad spray tan - to degrade and insult is deplorable. So...if it is deplorable to make fun of one's appearance because they have a bad spray tan, how do you feel about Trump and his penchant for making fun of women for how they look, for openly making fun of a handicapped person? Do you find that deplorable as well?
I too find it reprehensible for anyone to made fun of for their looks, just so ya know. I am just surprised once again by the hypocrisy of Trump supporters who think people making fun of him is deplorable while they shrug their shoulders and vote for and support a horrible man who makes fun of people for all sorts of reasons.
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Post by mom26 on Jun 1, 2018 2:00:33 GMT
So do I. Using one's appearance - whether it's race-based, unfortunate genetics or even a bad spray tan - to degrade and insult is deplorable. But is it racism? Yes.
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Post by missmiss on Jun 1, 2018 2:02:03 GMT
Guess your definition of racism is different than what racism actually is. Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
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