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Post by gmcwife1 on Feb 7, 2018 4:43:53 GMT
Geez, I THOUGHT it was agreed that Dems will have stay out of the conservatives threads no arguing would ensue. I see that the opposite is true for here though. To be fair, I asked a question of Trump supporters with the OP. I did not want to hijack their conservative thread. But I had hoped for more engaging discussion..... I really don’t know of any true Trump supporters here. I think there are a few peas that voted for him, but I don’t know if they are still here or if they truly support him  It seems like most of the people in the conservative chat thread are republicans and/or independents that did not vote for Trump. For me that is good news as I’m an independent that did not vote for Trump. This is part of why I no longer participate in most of the political threads. I didn’t vote for him and I don’t support him. I’m socially liberal but fiscally conservative, which means I don’t fit into either of the two parties. I do have a few family members that voted for Trump, my dh, my dil and my three sisters. I don’t think any of them truly support him. I only know my dh would have never voted for another Clinton, whether they were male or female. He did vote for Obama once even though he’s a registered republican. I’m sorry that there is little to no discussion any more, I really learned a lot politically over the years. And I miss that! |
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Post by PLurker on Feb 7, 2018 5:22:54 GMT
To be fair, I asked a question of Trump supporters with the OP. I did not want to hijack their conservative thread. But I had hoped for more engaging discussion..... I really don’t know of any true Trump supporters here. I think there are a few peas that voted for him, but I don’t know if they are still here or if they truly support him  It seems like most of the people in the conservative chat thread are republicans and/or independents that did not vote for Trump. For me that is good news as I’m an independent that did not vote for Trump. This is part of why I no longer participate in most of the political threads. I didn’t vote for him and I don’t support him. I’m socially liberal but fiscally conservative, which means I don’t fit into either of the two parties. I do have a few family members that voted for Trump, my dh, my dil and my three sisters. I don’t think any of them truly support him. I only know my dh would have never voted for another Clinton, whether they were male or female. He did vote for Obama once even though he’s a registered republican. I’m sorry that there is little to no discussion any more, I really learned a lot politically over the years. And I miss that! I understand many conservatives may not support Trump. I'm with you as I am more of an independent. I actually couldn't tell you if I've voted more Rep or Dem in my life. It's always been on a case by case basis. What I don't understand is how far or what does 45 have to do to get the non-supporters who may or may not have voted for him to stand up and say enough. He seems to be unraveling everything around him. When someone I voted for doesn't do the right thing, or hell, when someone treats people awful for no other reason than disagreeing they lose me. It's not right no matter what your politics are. I don't care what side of the aisle I am on at the moment. Wrong is wrong. By wrong is wrong I am not referring to GOP ideology. I'm referring to trump's lack of ideology. As soon as anyone disagrees with him they are mocked and damned by him. I'm afraid he could take a lot of people on the right as well down with him. That is where I part ways. I am having trouble understanding how one could not stand up against him (not the GOP/conservatives) before he hurts ALL of us. Both sides and all of us in the middle. Maybe I am naive, but to say nothing means I am ok with it. I'm not. I am saying so. Humanity first. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 6:07:16 GMT
Thanks for that post Plurker. I think your post asks my intended post better. Where is the line? I am specifically interested to know if evidence shows Trump was/is involved in money laundering should he remain in office?
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Post by 50offscrapper on Feb 7, 2018 6:12:28 GMT
Let’s just say that I am frustrated reading this. After a few back and forths between 2 people, GIVE up. You are not going to change each other. Do us all a favor and please ignore one another. Make your point and move on please.
I know I could ignore all myself, but I like discussion that actually provokes thought. Let’s respect one another and it is ok to disagree. Make it an effort to consider another person’s ideas.
And please for the love of God, anyone who feels a need to say but Hillary when discussing Trump, please stop. Hillary is long gone. Obama is long gone. Answer the discussion with points about the topic. As an example, if you don’t believe Trump is laundering money state that he isn’t and why. But Hillary is not a valid discussion point.
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Post by 50offscrapper on Feb 7, 2018 6:21:24 GMT
I responded to her exactly twice. Once to say we were saying the same thing (we were in agreement) and another to correct an untrue statement she made about me. She has responded to me or made reference to me 15 times in this thread. It clearly doesn't work between us. I have quit responding to her before, but she is relentless in her personal attacks whenever I post and there are times when it's so blatant, I refuse to let her get away with it. That's just the way it is. STOP THE LYING GIA! I DID NOT PERSONALLY ATTACK YOU ON THIS THREAD AT ALL. I did not call you names, I pointed out that you provided untrue information. Ladies please just ignore each other. Please... sometimes you just need to walk away. Please. I don’t care who said or didn’t say what. Nobody gets away with anything. Let’s discuss the topic. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Feb 7, 2018 6:28:52 GMT
I really don’t know of any true Trump supporters here. I think there are a few peas that voted for him, but I don’t know if they are still here or if they truly support him It seems like most of the people in the conservative chat thread are republicans and/or independents that did not vote for Trump. For me that is good news as I’m an independent that did not vote for Trump. This is part of why I no longer participate in most of the political threads. I didn’t vote for him and I don’t support him. I’m socially liberal but fiscally conservative, which means I don’t fit into either of the two parties. I do have a few family members that voted for Trump, my dh, my dil and my three sisters. I don’t think any of them truly support him. I only know my dh would have never voted for another Clinton, whether they were male or female. He did vote for Obama once even though he’s a registered republican. I’m sorry that there is little to no discussion any more, I really learned a lot politically over the years. And I miss that! I understand many conservatives may not support Trump. I'm with you as I am more of an independent. I actually couldn't tell you if I've voted more Rep or Dem in my life. It's always been on a case by case basis. What I don't understand is how far or what does 45 have to do to get the non-supporters who may or may not have voted for him to stand up and say enough. He seems to be unraveling everything around him. When someone I voted for doesn't do the right thing, or hell, when someone treats people awful for no other reason than disagreeing they lose me. It's not right no matter what your politics are. I don't care what side of the aisle I am on at the moment. Wrong is wrong. By wrong is wrong I am not referring to GOP ideology. I'm referring to trump's lack of ideology. As soon as anyone disagrees with him they are mocked and damned by him. I'm afraid he could take a lot of people on the right as well down with him. That is where I part ways. I am having trouble understanding how one could not stand up against him (not the GOP/conservatives) before he hurts ALL of us. Both sides and all of us in the middle. Maybe I am naive, but to say nothing means I am ok with it. I'm not. I am saying so. Humanity first. You may feel that because someone is not saying anything or enough they are supporting him. I feel that I’m not going to waste my time typing complaints out on a message board, day after day, thread after thread. I will disagree and not support him with my vote and whether others think that is enough honestly doesn’t matter. Whether others like it or not, I don’t have to prove to them that I don’t support him. I don’t support him and I didn’t vote for him. If that isn’t enough for others, that is more their problem then mine. I can’t help them |
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Post by dewryce on Feb 7, 2018 6:41:18 GMT
I understand many conservatives may not support Trump. I'm with you as I am more of an independent. I actually couldn't tell you if I've voted more Rep or Dem in my life. It's always been on a case by case basis. What I don't understand is how far or what does 45 have to do to get the non-supporters who may or may not have voted for him to stand up and say enough. He seems to be unraveling everything around him. When someone I voted for doesn't do the right thing, or hell, when someone treats people awful for no other reason than disagreeing they lose me. It's not right no matter what your politics are. I don't care what side of the aisle I am on at the moment. Wrong is wrong. By wrong is wrong I am not referring to GOP ideology. I'm referring to trump's lack of ideology. As soon as anyone disagrees with him they are mocked and damned by him. I'm afraid he could take a lot of people on the right as well down with him. That is where I part ways. I am having trouble understanding how one could not stand up against him (not the GOP/conservatives) before he hurts ALL of us. Both sides and all of us in the middle. Maybe I am naive, but to say nothing means I am ok with it. I'm not. I am saying so. Humanity first. You may feel that because someone is not saying anything or enough they are supporting him. I feel that I’m not going to waste my time typing complaints out on a message board, day after day, thread after thread. I will disagree and not support him with my vote and whether others think that is enough honestly doesn’t matter. Whether others like it or not, I don’t have to prove to them that I don’t support him. I don’t support him and I didn’t vote for him. If that isn’t enough for others, that is more their problem then mine. I can’t help them You're right, what others on this board think about you probably doesn't matter and you don't have to prove anything. But please think about what your silence indicates to the rest of the world. ~ from people much smarter than me, some quotes that made me think ~ Attachments:
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Post by gmcwife1 on Feb 7, 2018 6:56:07 GMT
You may feel that because someone is not saying anything or enough they are supporting him. I feel that I’m not going to waste my time typing complaints out on a message board, day after day, thread after thread. I will disagree and not support him with my vote and whether others think that is enough honestly doesn’t matter. Whether others like it or not, I don’t have to prove to them that I don’t support him. I don’t support him and I didn’t vote for him. If that isn’t enough for others, that is more their problem then mine. I can’t help them You're right, what others on this board think about you probably doesn't matter and you don't have to prove anything. But please think about what your silence indicates to the rest of the world. ~ from people much smarter than me, some quotes that made me think ~ My silence where, here? Just because I’m not posting on a message board does not mean I’m silent. Do you really think the rest of the world is following this message board  I’m glad the quotes you posted are making you think |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 7, 2018 12:27:57 GMT
You may feel that because someone is not saying anything or enough they are supporting him. I feel that I’m not going to waste my time typing complaints out on a message board, day after day, thread after thread. I will disagree and not support him with my vote and whether others think that is enough honestly doesn’t matter. Whether others like it or not, I don’t have to prove to them that I don’t support him. I don’t support him and I didn’t vote for him. If that isn’t enough for others, that is more their problem then mine. I can’t help them You're right, what others on this board think about you probably doesn't matter and you don't have to prove anything. But please think about what your silence indicates to the rest of the world. ~ from people much smarter than me, some quotes that made me think ~ View AttachmentGreat list! Thank you for sharing. I don’t think that it warranted the snark/insult given above either! While our message board may not be viewed by the entire earthly population, it IS global and the people posting take the time to want to participate, and in some instances, what the US peas post, gives a personal insight to those outside of the US as to a “gal on the street” feel of the current political climate. They are words for ANYONE and EVERYONE to really think about, and without insulting the kind person posting the list. |
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Post by Kymberlee on Feb 7, 2018 13:54:08 GMT
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Post by imsirius on Feb 7, 2018 14:18:10 GMT
Let’s just say that I am frustrated reading this. After a few back and forths between 2 people, GIVE up. You are not going to change each other. Do us all a favor and please ignore one another. Make your point and move on please. I know I could ignore all myself, but I like discussion that actually provokes thought. Let’s respect one another and it is ok to disagree. Make it an effort to consider another person’s ideas. And please for the love of God, anyone who feels a need to say but Hillary when discussing Trump, please stop. Hillary is long gone. Obama is long gone. Answer the discussion with points about the topic. As an example, if you don’t believe Trump is laundering money state that he isn’t and why. But Hillary is not a valid discussion point. Thank you! Omg! THANK YOU!  |
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Post by PLurker on Feb 7, 2018 16:56:48 GMT
I understand many conservatives may not support Trump. I'm with you as I am more of an independent. I actually couldn't tell you if I've voted more Rep or Dem in my life. It's always been on a case by case basis. What I don't understand is how far or what does 45 have to do to get the non-supporters who may or may not have voted for him to stand up and say enough. He seems to be unraveling everything around him. When someone I voted for doesn't do the right thing, or hell, when someone treats people awful for no other reason than disagreeing they lose me. It's not right no matter what your politics are. I don't care what side of the aisle I am on at the moment. Wrong is wrong. By wrong is wrong I am not referring to GOP ideology. I'm referring to trump's lack of ideology. As soon as anyone disagrees with him they are mocked and damned by him. I'm afraid he could take a lot of people on the right as well down with him. That is where I part ways. I am having trouble understanding how one could not stand up against him (not the GOP/conservatives) before he hurts ALL of us. Both sides and all of us in the middle. Maybe I am naive, but to say nothing means I am ok with it. I'm not. I am saying so. Humanity first. . I feel that I’m not going to waste my time typing complaints out on a message board, day after day, thread after thread. I will disagree and not support him with my vote and whether others think that is enough honestly doesn’t matter. Whether others like it or not, I don’t have to prove to them that I don’t support him. I don’t support him and I didn’t vote for him. If that isn’t enough for others, that is more their problem then mine. I can’t help them this is not really true, for me. It is more so that when 45 does things that show him to be a not good human being people call HIM out. Then unfortunately, I think, people who think he is on their team get defensive. It seems to happen on this board. He does something crazy and "I am not a trump supporters" defend his actions. Defending is supporting. Maybe people feel that by defending him they are defending themselves. I don't know-but it's not them or their team I have a problem with. Only parts of it- namely him. In my mind he is on no one's team but his own and will attack ANYONE on EITHER team who disagrees with him in the slightest. He will readily attack ANYONE who he feels disagrees/slights him in any way. Although I can not stay quiet yet understand those who speak only with their vote, I don't understand defending the indefensible just because he pretends to be on your side. He's not, really. I am speaking, yelling, marching and voting against HIM. Defending the ideologies you believe in doesn't mean you have to defend everyone who happens to claim to be on your side. It's often and can be two different things. |
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