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Post by nicolep on Apr 28, 2020 14:35:07 GMT
Oh that toilet paper card 😂
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Post by nicolep on Apr 28, 2020 14:38:49 GMT
It's simple. Trump supporter or not, the die cut looks like him. Orange.
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Post by ecvnj58 on Apr 28, 2020 14:52:13 GMT
I think it’s an interesting perspective and you are entitled to it. I do the same thing. There are companies that I don’t support because their beliefs don’t align with mine. There are also companies I throw all my money to like Penzeys because I like that they are really politically outspoken and my beliefs align with them.
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Post by kiera on Apr 28, 2020 14:54:23 GMT
^ That's why I pay extra for Ben & Jerry's!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 14:58:51 GMT
I'm all in for these swag bags.
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Post by sudsy on Apr 28, 2020 15:02:03 GMT
I got her new email advertising her new Covid-19 related swag bags and was thinking "hm these are pretty cool, I don't usually buy swag bags but maybe these will fall into my cart". Then I saw the Trump die cut and was a little bit shocked. I mean I know it wasn't hard to figure out which side of the political spectrum she falls on, but to create a mean spirited product like this has me thinking about her in a whole new way. I don't tend to support hateful people - The Petunia Misti woman comes to mind- which is a shame because I own an awful lot of KP products. The fact that she is making fun of the color of his skin is an irony that I think may be lost on her. I thought she supported people who choose to be different and express themselves? Anyway, I think this is RIP to me KP. You are clearly entitled to your opinion but I will say I don’t think she was making fun of the color of his skin, that is the color he has (or gives himself). And even if she was making fun of it, how is that ironic? Do you think she should support him because he is choosing to be different and expressing himself by either tanning to an unnatural hue or putting on makeup to give himself that color? Trump is the antithesis of supporting people who “choose” to be different. Why would anyone who is as open minded and accepting as KP support him? Exactly what do you mean by people who “choose” to be different anyway? I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to start an argument,or make a political statement just stating my feelings about seeing that die cut. I don't support hate of any sort. "Why would anyone as open minded and accepting as KP support him" This sentence is irony in itself. Being open minded and accepting, means that you don't mock people for being themselves right? That you support people's choices to express themselves as they wish to. This includes everyone in the world, and if it doesn't then it becomes a false statement. This was all I was trying to point out. It is anyone's choice to not support him, but that is different from hating on him. Hopefully you can see the difference here. I have always liked and supported KP. All I'm saying is that I don't agree with anyone mocking someone else for the color of their skin or any other physical attribute.
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Post by pancakes on Apr 28, 2020 15:07:08 GMT
Damn I really like those swag bag sneaks. Like a LOT.
I assume she’s not doing early access to the shop for her subscribers (I guess we are ex-subs now, ha).
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Post by janamke on Apr 28, 2020 15:24:51 GMT
sudsy, you are entitled to your opinion. But as others have mentioned, KP has never been secret about her political leanings. She doesn't have to be.
There are very few things in this world that I hate, Donald Trump and beets are the two that come to mind. I will buy this swag bag, possibly in duplicate. The Trump sticker is spot on.
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Post by cumber1137 on Apr 28, 2020 16:23:25 GMT
I got her new email advertising her new Covid-19 related swag bags and was thinking "hm these are pretty cool, I don't usually buy swag bags but maybe these will fall into my cart". Then I saw the Trump die cut and was a little bit shocked. I mean I know it wasn't hard to figure out which side of the political spectrum she falls on, but to create a mean spirited product like this has me thinking about her in a whole new way. I don't tend to support hateful people - The Petunia Misti woman comes to mind- which is a shame because I own an awful lot of KP products. The fact that she is making fun of the color of his skin is an irony that I think may be lost on her. I thought she supported people who choose to be different and express themselves? Anyway, I think this is RIP to me KP. Eh, that's what he looks like...
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Post by hop2 on Apr 28, 2020 16:40:51 GMT
I have no idea what y’all are talking about I guess I don’t get all the emails, it’s not in her site or insta either.
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Post by pancakes on Apr 28, 2020 16:46:49 GMT
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Post by mich5481 on Apr 28, 2020 16:49:12 GMT
I got her new email advertising her new Covid-19 related swag bags and was thinking "hm these are pretty cool, I don't usually buy swag bags but maybe these will fall into my cart". Then I saw the Trump die cut and was a little bit shocked. I mean I know it wasn't hard to figure out which side of the political spectrum she falls on, but to create a mean spirited product like this has me thinking about her in a whole new way. I don't tend to support hateful people - The Petunia Misti woman comes to mind- which is a shame because I own an awful lot of KP products. The fact that she is making fun of the color of his skin is an irony that I think may be lost on her. I thought she supported people who choose to be different and express themselves? Anyway, I think this is RIP to me KP. To be honest, I was a bit taken aback when I saw the Trump die cut. I may still get the swag bags, but it depends on the price. I am a conservative, but I disagree with the way Trump has led, as I think he has set conservatives back. If I get the set with the Trump image, I may use it to document my thoughts about imagery and politics (as I studied government in both undergrad and grad school, this fits right in with my nerdy wheelhouse). I can understand your concerns about the way she depicted him, but I also know many people who profess to be open minded and accepting of all can be brutal in their criticism of people who disagree with them.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Apr 28, 2020 16:54:09 GMT
"Why would anyone as open minded and accepting as KP support him" This sentence is irony in itself. Being open minded and accepting, means that you don't mock people for being themselves right? That you support people's choices to express themselves as they wish to. This includes everyone in the world, and if it doesn't then it becomes a false statement. Open-mindedness and acceptance are not equal to some sort of kumbaya inclusion of those who actively (and very loudly, publicly) exclude. That is the logical fallacy, not the refusal to support or "include" those who work hard to exclude. Social acceptance and political support to those who are inclusive are part of open-mindedness. Blind acceptance is a dangerous stance and if anything, either the expression of a refusal or simple lack of thinking and definitely a rejection of humanism. Minority inclusion in the spirit of open-mindedness does not mean you have to give equal credit or remain silent on matters and politicians (or other figures) who do everything in their power to exclude them. There are moral limits to open-mindedness. Uncritical acceptance is a danger to democracy, rational thinking and the general state of the world. As the saying goes: "Be open-minded, but not so much so that your brains fall out." I can't believe I return to this board to find a political shitstorm in KP's thread. Kelly is a fervent Democrat voter and has never been shy about it. Also, a feminist and very inclusive. Her political and social voice are shared by many of her customers and followers. It's been reflected in quite some of her product offer as well. Kudos to her: she's managed to carve out a market while creating product that also reflect her political stance. It's not the most straightforward of feats in the scrapbooking world. I would order on Friday if only my KP birthday sale stuff had arrived. ![:-[](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png) 33+ days and counting of the items being somewhere in between the US and France. USPS is telling me to contact the French postal service and La Poste is telling me it's still in the USPS system... At this stage, I don't know if it got lost or if I'll ever get it (and it was my most expensive scrappy order ever, too, yay!). I'm giving until mid-May before I look into what my recourses are. Alas, that means I'll have to pass on the cute toilet paper goodies...
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Post by sleepingbooty on Apr 28, 2020 17:01:02 GMT
It's simple. Trump supporter or not, the die cut looks like him. Orange. How have they not found a concealer to match the rest of his orange tone yet? I don't get it. It's a real mystery. The only explanation is that having someone touch him near his eyes is just one more of his odd quirks. I mean, come on, there is no excuse with the colour range offered by Fenty and the likes these days. It's all orange and then boom, two white puddles. It's shocking and I would not want to be the makeup artist associated with this "look." I've literally stared at the Fenty concealers in store and tried to guess which shade would match the rest of his tan job. They've got him covered. Just spend the $33, Donald.
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Post by Skellinton on Apr 28, 2020 17:19:41 GMT
"Why would anyone as open minded and accepting as KP support him" This sentence is irony in itself. Being open minded and accepting, means that you don't mock people for being themselves right? That you support people's choices to express themselves as they wish to. This includes everyone in the world, and if it doesn't then it becomes a false statement. Open-mindedness and acceptance are not equal to some sort of kumbaya inclusion of those who actively (and very loudly, publicly) exclude. That is the logical fallacy, not the refusal to support or "include" those who work hard to exclude. Social acceptance and political support to those who are inclusive are part of open-mindedness. Blind acceptance is a dangerous stance and if anything, either the expression of a refusal or simple lack of thinking and definitely a rejection of humanism. Minority inclusion in the spirit of open-mindedness does not mean you have to give equal credit or remain silent on matters and politicians (or other figures) who do everything in their power to exclude them. There are moral limits to open-mindedness. Uncritical acceptance is a danger to democracy, rational thinking and the general state of the world. As the saying goes: "Be open-minded, but not so much so that your brains fall out." I can't believe I return to this board to find a political shitstorm in KP's thread. Kelly is a fervent Democrat voter and has never been shy about it. Also, a feminist and very inclusive. Her political and social voice are shared by many of her customers and followers. It's been reflected in quite some of her product offer as well. Kudos to her: she's managed to carve out a market while creating product that also reflect her political stance. It's not the most straightforward of feats in the scrapbooking world. I would order on Friday if only my KP birthday sale stuff had arrived. ![:-[](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png) 33+ days and counting of the items being somewhere in between the US and France. USPS is telling me to contact the French postal service and La Poste is telling me it's still in the USPS system... At this stage, I don't know if it got lost or if I'll ever get it (and it was my most expensive scrappy order ever, too, yay!). I'm giving until mid-May before I look into what my recourses are. Alas, that means I'll have to pass on the cute toilet paper goodies... Thank you for being so much more coherent and expressive then I am. I admit the way the person I responded to saying people who “choose” a different life style totally rubbed me the wrong way and got my ire up. It may not have been what she meant, but that comment struck me as saying people chose to be gay or trans or queer. I think saying people should accept Trump is akin to saying people should accept Hitler. No one should be accepting of any racist or misogynist. Full stop, that shit is not ok.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 28, 2020 17:22:18 GMT
It's simple. Trump supporter or not, the die cut looks like him. Orange. How have they not found a concealer to match the rest of his orange tone yet? I don't get it. It's a real mystery. The only explanation is that having someone touch him near his eyes is just one more of his odd quirks. I mean, come on, there is no excuse with the colour range offered by Fenty and the likes these days. It's all orange and then boom, two white puddles. It's shocking and I would not want to be the makeup artist associated with this "look." I've literally stared at the Fenty concealers in store and tried to guess which shade would match the rest of his tan job. They've got him covered. Just spend the $33, Donald. He did not look this way on the apprentice - when he had access to professional make up artists. I can’t understand it either I mean he could easily have access to someone who can make him appear more even if he wanted to.
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Post by pancakes on Apr 28, 2020 17:39:10 GMT
sleepingbooty Do you think it’d make any difference if a Pea ordered the items for you and mailed the package from home instead? Or would there probably still be issues between USPS and La Poste?
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Post by hop2 on Apr 28, 2020 17:39:30 GMT
I got her new email advertising her new Covid-19 related swag bags and was thinking "hm these are pretty cool, I don't usually buy swag bags but maybe these will fall into my cart". Then I saw the Trump die cut and was a little bit shocked. I mean I know it wasn't hard to figure out which side of the political spectrum she falls on, but to create a mean spirited product like this has me thinking about her in a whole new way. I don't tend to support hateful people - The Petunia Misti woman comes to mind- which is a shame because I own an awful lot of KP products. The fact that she is making fun of the color of his skin is an irony that I think may be lost on her. I thought she supported people who choose to be different and express themselves? Anyway, I think this is RIP to me KP. It isn’t a beneficial depiction of him. His expression is very crabby. It is not inaccurate. I can’t see how accurately depicting how Trump chooses to portray himself to the world on a daily basis could be construed as making fun of his skin color. HE chooses to make himself look that way. She just accurately depicted it. This is not some natural thing his skin developed, he does something to look that way. AND even if it was some skin ailment, if he doesn’t choose to correct it and puts it out there as his image, why would anyone else have the right to ‘fix’ it to their own standards? Would it be ok to ‘correct’ a persons vitiligo if they choose not to? I would think that would be more insulting than depicting them as they show themselves. I probably won’t get the swag bag as I doubt I have enough use for it to spend what it’s going to cost. No the die cut is not a positive image of him, but saying the die cut is making fun of his skin color is stretching it a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 18:12:55 GMT
I can't believe I return to this board to find a political shitstorm in KP's thread. Kelly is a fervent Democrat voter and has never been shy about it. Also, a feminist and very inclusive. Her political and social voice are shared by many of her customers and followers. It's been reflected in quite some of her product offer as well. Kudos to her: she's managed to carve out a market while creating product that also reflect her political stance. I t's not the most straightforward of feats in the scrapbooking world. That would be because most don't even try. It's all "Best Day Ever" and pink fluffy unicorns falling off a rainbow and is the #1 reason I'm going to miss KP's shop. Now that is one upside of this pandemic, Kelly has had to put her plans on hold (selfishly speaking). My kids and I re-watched Melissa McCarthy's "spicey" SNL episodes on youtube last night. So good. More snark please Kelly. If I can't laugh at the orange one, I'm going to cry at the dumb s*** that comes out of his mouth. Since he chooses to look like a tangerine, that's on him.
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Post by nicolep on Apr 28, 2020 20:56:59 GMT
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Post by cumber1137 on Apr 28, 2020 21:39:59 GMT
I really like the cards!
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Post by nicolep on Apr 28, 2020 23:05:08 GMT
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Post by lisacharlotte on Apr 28, 2020 23:28:44 GMT
I'm a conservative. My politics and Kelly's are not aligned, but she is still my favorite designer. For political stamps, she has offered stamps for both sides of the aisle. I can laugh at the absurdity of Trump, because he is absurd a lot of the time. He is orange. It's a caricature. He is a not a POC who is being mocked for his skin color. He's being mocked because whoever spray tans him does a shit job and he's orange with the circles around his eyes you get when you use the little eye protectors in a tanning bed.
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Post by mich5481 on Apr 28, 2020 23:32:53 GMT
She posted a reply to an Instagram comment - no early access for subbers, since subscriptions have ended.
Probably means no subber discount. 😢
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Post by Jessica on Apr 29, 2020 0:46:10 GMT
I love the look of the cards and the swag bags made me laugh because the TP card and the stickers are perfection.
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Post by sudsy on Apr 29, 2020 2:18:49 GMT
All I really know is that when I see a caricature like this one (there are light hearted silly caricatures and there are mean spirited caricatures-how you see this one will depend on you but I see it as mean spirited), even if I intensely dislike the person being portrayed, my initial reaction is to be a bit taken aback. It’s my instinct telling me that the ugliness of the depiction is more a reflection of the person making it than the person being portrayed. Whether it is an accurate depiction of his skin colour or not is not my point. The intent is my point.
What I’m saying I guess, is that I already knew she was “left leaning” but what I didn’t realize was that she could harbour that sort of intent (for anyone). That’s a bit more difficult for me to come to terms with, being who I am. YMMV.
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Post by kiera on Apr 29, 2020 3:15:42 GMT
Considering he's locked children in cages, mocked a disabled reporter on national television, damn near got us into a nuclear war because he doesn't know how to stay off of Twitter, openly encouraged sexual assault, has done nothing to discourage the racial and anti-Semitic attacks that have risen since his election, ignored the pandemic until it was killing thousands of Americans, and SO, SO many other horrible things..... I don't have one lick of compassion or empathy for the man. When he shows some respect for the people he's meant to be serving then I'll consider showing some respect to him, but one of the freedoms we still have left is the freedom to criticize our government and I don't think that's something we should stop doing regardless of who holds the office. But I'd call myself a democratic socialist and have always been outspoken about my beliefs though so maybe I'm biased.
Anyway, I'm sad that Kelly won't be making any more stamps or anything else after this. I hope that she'll team up with other creators in the future to release some products but I look forward to seeing what she does next.
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Post by scrappyem on Apr 29, 2020 13:40:30 GMT
The kit is spot on with current events. Something I love and will miss about Kelly's designs. The Trump character is basically a political cartoon. Political cartoons have existed since the 1700's in American political discourse and come from both sides of the aisle. The drawing is pretty tame comparatively. Personally I find it hilarious, especially in a scrapbooking kit, which I imagine is part of her point.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 29, 2020 13:56:01 GMT
All I really know is that when I see a caricature like this one (there are light hearted silly caricatures and there are mean spirited caricatures-how you see this one will depend on you but I see it as mean spirited), even if I intensely dislike the person being portrayed, my initial reaction is to be a bit taken aback. It’s my instinct telling me that the ugliness of the depiction is more a reflection of the person making it than the person being portrayed. Whether it is an accurate depiction of his skin colour or not is not my point. The intent is my point. What I’m saying I guess, is that I already knew she was “left leaning” but what I didn’t realize was that she could harbour that sort of intent (for anyone). That’s a bit more difficult for me to come to terms with, being who I am. YMMV. Thank you for explaining.
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Post by cynipidae17 on Apr 29, 2020 17:14:37 GMT
All I really know is that when I see a caricature like this one (there are light hearted silly caricatures and there are mean spirited caricatures-how you see this one will depend on you but I see it as mean spirited), even if I intensely dislike the person being portrayed, my initial reaction is to be a bit taken aback. It’s my instinct telling me that the ugliness of the depiction is more a reflection of the person making it than the person being portrayed. Whether it is an accurate depiction of his skin colour or not is not my point. The intent is my point. What I’m saying I guess, is that I already knew she was “left leaning” but what I didn’t realize was that she could harbour that sort of intent (for anyone). That’s a bit more difficult for me to come to terms with, being who I am. YMMV. I think these caricatures have always been done of the president (not just trump). My dad wore a Nixon mask every Halloween and it was not a flattering mask. Even funnier because my dad loved Nixon. I am left leaning so I look at the sticker and would consider the swag bag just for it, so obviously we are all on different sides of this. I don't think it is her intent, I think it is what we see everywhere we go.
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