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Post by pierogi on Mar 14, 2018 17:13:15 GMT
I think Republicans are trying to soothe themselves now by claiming Lamb isn't a real Democrat. Keep at it, Republicans, while we stay busy stealing more Congressional seats from you. . I welcome their spin as long as they continue the course and have no worries at all about November. Complacency is good. Apparently they're focused on Public Enemy #1: Joy Behar.
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Post by burningfeather on Mar 14, 2018 17:14:04 GMT
These things don't tend to concern me or encourage me one way or the other. History has shown that politics is a pendulum and swings back and forth. Even if Trump was the best President ever, the political pendulum would still swing back to the Democrat side at some point. And no matter what happens now or in 2-3 years (or whatever time frame), it will swing back to the Republican side.
I don't think any side can claim this as a victory or loss. It's just all part of the ebb and flow of our political system.
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Post by MizIndependent on Mar 14, 2018 17:14:31 GMT
Honestly, it's nice to see some young blood. These old cronies (on all sides of the aisle) just need to go.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Mar 14, 2018 17:18:32 GMT
. I welcome their spin as long as they continue the course and have no worries at all about November. Complacency is good. Apparently they're focused on Public Enemy #1: Joy Behar. Joy Behar must have been deployed by the Deep State as a diversionary tactic.
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Post by coffeetalk on Mar 14, 2018 17:22:01 GMT
Jon Favreau
Conor Lamb campaigned: 1. For universal health care 2. Against Trump’s tax cut 3. For expanded background checks 4. For stronger unions 5. Against cuts to Social Security 6. For a woman’s right to choose 7. For medical marijuana
“Conservative Democrat.” Ok. Cool.
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Post by pierogi on Mar 14, 2018 17:43:41 GMT
Apparently they're focused on Public Enemy #1: Joy Behar. Joy Behar must have been deployed by the Deep State as a diversionary tactic. The plan is working! When she's ready, she'll give the signal to Lena Dunham and we'll flood the currency markets with Soros Bucks to create chaos.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Mar 14, 2018 17:50:52 GMT
Joy Behar must have been deployed by the Deep State as a diversionary tactic. The plan is working! When she's ready, she'll give the signal to Lena Dunham and we'll flood the currency markets with Soros Bucks to create chaos. Maybe then I will get my damn check from the marches.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 14, 2018 17:53:26 GMT
and I'm STILL waiting for my free Obama phone!!!
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Post by hop2 on Mar 14, 2018 18:01:00 GMT
Given his stance on a lot of the issues he comes across as a closet Republican. If he does wind up being the winner he's going to have a hard time in Congress if he continues to buck the party line which I don't think he will do. I think he pulled the wool over everyone eyes in that district. Maybe what a Republican USED to be... not current republicans that have thrown all of their morals, values and good sense in the trash to worship at the feet of Donald Trump. I’ll agree with this. The republicans have gone so far outside the norm they are no longer recognizable. AND they can’t even claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility anymore if you look at the absolute waste this administration has brought with it. If Republucans want socially moderate fiscally conservative people to vote for them ( as in the past ) then they have to come thru with the fiscal responsibility - which they haven’t
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Post by hop2 on Mar 14, 2018 18:03:10 GMT
and I'm STILL waiting for my free Obama phone!!! Maybe they left it in Texas with that failed invasion.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 14, 2018 18:40:57 GMT
I would much rather vote for a moderate Democrats who is not afraid to think for himself than a republican who uses religious threats and mockery to denigrate those who think differently than he does. If the roles were reversed I would vote for the Republican. It’s time for moderates from both sides to come to the table and learn to compromise for the good of our country. This divisive I’m right, you’re wrong, God said so bullshit is destructive and childish. Yes!!!!!!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 14, 2018 19:01:05 GMT
From CNN's Kevin Liptak The White House says Conor Lamb supports President Trump's policies as the Democrat appears poised to upset his GOP rival in Pennsylvania. "The Democrat in the race really embraced the President’s policies and position, where he didn’t embrace Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic leader," White House spokesman Raj Shah told reporters aboard Air Force One. Shah said the White House wouldn't comment officially beyond that. He called the result "essentially a tie." Shah added that Trump wants candidates who embrace his policies to win in 2018, and said Republican candidates have a good record to run on. www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/politics/pennsylvania-election-latest?lf-content=230373568:lb-post-19ff68b5127bccf8ffebed7ab694cbad@livefyre.com&hubRefSrc=permalink
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 14, 2018 19:04:13 GMT
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Post by jamiebohbamie on Mar 14, 2018 19:18:28 GMT
I stayed up late last night (work - not this), but had the results coming in minute by minute. SO unbelievably THRILLING. The Dems wisely put up someone very, very good. If we could only do that all the time! The Dems have to do that every time- there isn't another option. The party can't afford to back candidates who aren't clean, strong, and winning material. Flawed candidates just won't cut it anymore. Also, individuals need to continue stepping up to donate money, volunteer time, and VOTE.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 14, 2018 19:24:00 GMT
Donations do not have to be big! O'Rourke in Texas won his primary without any PAC monies, just small donations.
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Post by Sarah*H on Mar 14, 2018 19:42:19 GMT
Please, keep saying and believing this Republicans. This is my part of the world and although Conor isn't my new Congressman, it's only because of gerrymandering since he now represents the people living across the street from me. No, he's not a closet Republican nor did he pull the wool over anyone's eyes. Every single Democrat I know likes him personally, approves of his moderate stance on the issues BASED ON where we live and the constituency he represents and compared to Saccone (Trump before he was Trump?) he's made in heaven. Our new mantra? Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Given the insulting and rude candidates the GOP likes to put up around this area, it's laughable to think that Conor is somehow a consolation for prize for the Democrats. Unfortunately I'll probably be stuck with the Saccone as my Congressman when the new districts take effect but we're going to go down fighting.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Mar 14, 2018 19:45:09 GMT
Good grief.
Paul Ryan is calling Lamb a "pro-life, pro-gun, anti-Nancy Pelosi conservative."
Paul Ryan is one thing. He lost my last shred of respect months ago. More generally, the depressing thing is this is another example of opinion shapers using the internet to twist the narrative to tell people how to think. And it's working! I'm seeing "Closet Republican" and "Fake Democrat" everywhere. Fewer than 24 hours later, it's now truth.
What a strange world all this connectedness has wrought.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 14, 2018 19:52:35 GMT
Good grief. Paul Ryan is calling Lamb a "pro-life, pro-gun, anti-Nancy Pelosi conservative."Paul Ryan is one thing. He lost my last shred of respect months ago. More generally, the depressing thing is this is another example of opinion shapers using the internet to twist the narrative to tell people how to think. I'm seeing "Closet Republican" and "Fake Democrat" everywhere. Fewer than 24 hours later, it's now truth. What a strange world all this connectedness has wrought. Whatever makes them feel better. The people who buy that line were not doing any research or critical thinking themselves and were grasping for any excuse not to be on the losing end. And no matter the outcome when the final votes are counted, they won't acknowledge the massive lost ground from 16 months ago that not even a Presidential rally could save.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Mar 14, 2018 19:53:44 GMT
Good grief. Paul Ryan is calling Lamb a "pro-life, pro-gun, anti-Nancy Pelosi conservative." Paul Ryan is one thing. He lost my last shred of respect months ago. More generally, the depressing thing is this is another example of opinion shapers using the internet to twist the narrative to tell people how to think. I'm seeing "Closet Republican" and "Fake Democrat" everywhere. Fewer than 24 hours later, it's now truth. What a strange world all this connectedness has wrought. Wait, only "months ago"? ;-) They are spinning hard and I'm fine with it. Let the Republicans shrug this off and continue to believe they will have an easy path to victory in midterms.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Mar 14, 2018 19:54:48 GMT
Donations do not have to be big! O'Rourke in Texas won his primary without any PAC monies, just small donations. Absolutely. Fund raising was important for Doug Jones in Alabama and a lot of it was smaller donations too.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Mar 14, 2018 20:10:17 GMT
Paul Ryan is one thing. He lost my last shred of respect months ago. Wait, only "months ago"? ;-) Heh. He truly was somewhat resurrected for me when he was "sickened" by Candidate Trump, but I guess that reversal was 17ish months ago. Then I gave him credit for even trying to formally school the new baffled president in the Constitution, but the presidency is long out of that infancy stage. You're right. I consigned him to the "Hack" column longer ago than I thought. Might even have to add him to my "Deplorable" column. (I don't have a column set up for "Lies about his body fat percentage and marathon times.")
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 14, 2018 20:11:02 GMT
gantdaily.com/2018/03/13/where-conor-lamb-rick-saccone-stand-on-the-issues/Here’s a look at where the candidates stand on several key issues in the race: Conor Lamb Health care: Lamb criticized the GOP attempt to repeal Obamacare and called for bipartisan efforts to stabilize its markets. “I’ll work with anyone from either party who wants to help people with pre-existing conditions, improve the quality of care, and reduce premiums, out-of-pocket costs, and prescription drug prices,” he says on his campaign website. Taxes: He called the GOP tax bill a “giveaway” to wealthy Americans and said he supports cuts for the middle class. “We didn’t need to add a penny to our debt to have the tax cut for our working and middle-class people,” Lamb said in a debate. Gun control: He’s called for a stronger system of background checks but no new gun restrictions. “I believe we have a pretty good law on the books and it says on paper that there are a lot of people who should never get guns in their hands,” Lamb said. Tariffs: He supports President Donald Trump’s steel and aluminum tariffs, saying at a debate that “we have to take some action to level the playing field.” Abortion: Lamb personally opposes abortion but backs the Supreme Court’s decision legalizing it. “Once you make something a right, it’s a right. And it’s like that for a reason,” he told HuffPost. Lamb told the Weekly Standard he doesn’t support a ban on abortion at 20 weeks.
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Post by birdgate on Mar 14, 2018 20:36:22 GMT
According to Public Policy Polling, "Our election night poll in PA-18 found that health care was a defining issue in the race. 52% said it was either the most important issue or very important in their vote, and Conor Lamb won those voters 62 to 38."
"Only 39% of voters in PA-18 supported the GOP efforts to repeal the Affordable Health Act, 53% were opposed. Among Independents who Lamb won 58-41, just 33% supported GOP repeal efforts with 63% opposed."
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Post by Merge on Mar 14, 2018 20:46:57 GMT
According to Public Policy Polling, "Our election night poll in PA-18 found that health care was a defining issue in the race. 52% said it was either the most important issue or very important in their vote, and Conor Lamb won those voters 62 to 38." "Only 39% of voters in PA-18 supported the GOP efforts to repeal the Affordable Health Act, 53% were opposed. Among Independents who Lamb won 58-41, just 33% supported GOP repeal efforts with 63% opposed." If they were opposed to repealing the ACA, why did they go 20 points for Trump? It was a signature part of his campaign.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 14, 2018 20:56:41 GMT
According to Public Policy Polling, "Our election night poll in PA-18 found that health care was a defining issue in the race. 52% said it was either the most important issue or very important in their vote, and Conor Lamb won those voters 62 to 38." "Only 39% of voters in PA-18 supported the GOP efforts to repeal the Affordable Health Act, 53% were opposed. Among Independents who Lamb won 58-41, just 33% supported GOP repeal efforts with 63% opposed." If they were opposed to repealing the ACA, why did they go 20 points for Trump? It was a signature part of his campaign. But - Hillary. Too many people feared little ole Hillary
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Post by katybee on Mar 14, 2018 21:03:59 GMT
According to Public Policy Polling, "Our election night poll in PA-18 found that health care was a defining issue in the race. 52% said it was either the most important issue or very important in their vote, and Conor Lamb won those voters 62 to 38." "Only 39% of voters in PA-18 supported the GOP efforts to repeal the Affordable Health Act, 53% were opposed. Among Independents who Lamb won 58-41, just 33% supported GOP repeal efforts with 63% opposed." If they were opposed to repealing the ACA, why did they go 20 points for Trump? It was a signature part of his campaign. They were probably all for repealing Obamacare, but not the ACA. I’m not even joking. I don’t think people had any idea how much they benefitted from the ACA until they almost lost things like coverage for pre-existing conditions. The republicans did a very good job of making it this big, bad, wasteful government programs that poor, lazy people used to mooch off the government, and successfully blamed sky rocketing premiums on it (even though premiums were going to sky rocket, anyway). Democrats did a very poor job of educating people about what it really is.
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Post by jayfab on Mar 14, 2018 21:18:51 GMT
I would much rather vote for a moderate Democrats who is not afraid to think for himself than a republican who uses religious threats and mockery to denigrate those who think differently than he does. If the roles were reversed I would vote for the Republican. It’s time for moderates from both sides to come to the table and learn to compromise for the good of our country. This divisive I’m right, you’re wrong, God said so bullshit is destructive and childish. Boombaddaboom. 100%. SaveSave
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Mar 14, 2018 21:19:42 GMT
According to Public Policy Polling, "Our election night poll in PA-18 found that health care was a defining issue in the race. 52% said it was either the most important issue or very important in their vote, and Conor Lamb won those voters 62 to 38." "Only 39% of voters in PA-18 supported the GOP efforts to repeal the Affordable Health Act, 53% were opposed. Among Independents who Lamb won 58-41, just 33% supported GOP repeal efforts with 63% opposed." Not surprised at all. I think healthcare will be a driving issue for midterms and 2020. It's a pretty universal issue where everybody can feel tangible effects. Especially with potential cuts to Medicare and Medicaid, increased premiums, health care costs, accessibility, etc.
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 14, 2018 21:53:59 GMT
According to Public Policy Polling, "Our election night poll in PA-18 found that health care was a defining issue in the race. 52% said it was either the most important issue or very important in their vote, and Conor Lamb won those voters 62 to 38." "Only 39% of voters in PA-18 supported the GOP efforts to repeal the Affordable Health Act, 53% were opposed. Among Independents who Lamb won 58-41, just 33% supported GOP repeal efforts with 63% opposed." If they were opposed to repealing the ACA, why did they go 20 points for Trump? It was a signature part of his campaign. I suspect they were more concerned with jobs than healthcare at the time.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 14, 2018 22:31:56 GMT
They were probably all for repealing Obamacare, but not the ACA. You may very well be right, that they didn't understand that Obamacare and ACA are the same thing...
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