johnnysmom
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Post by johnnysmom on May 28, 2018 13:08:43 GMT
Ds7 went to a friends house Saturday. When I dropped him off I realized they may be swimming in the pond and said it was ok for him to swim in his shorts but that he wasn't a very good swimmer at all (he's been doing swim classes for years but he's just not very strong/reliable yet, we're working on it). Mom said no problem, they had life jackets and he could stay in the shallow part.
Went to pick him up a couple hours later (we had discussed what time, I was right on time) and the 2 boys are in the pond with friend's 11yo sister and her 11yo friend. Mom and dad are in the house napping in their bedroom.  Ds went inside to get his shirt/shoes on and tell the dog bye which took him forever, I was at their house at least 10min and never saw an adult. I admit I'm neurotic when it comes to water safety but this seems pretty careless, right?
Anyhow, here's my issue....now what? She just texted me asking if he could go to the lake with them, I said he couldn't (I would have let him if it were someone else). I know she's going to ask him to come over during the summer (she's a sub teacher and I'm a wahm so there's lots of free time over the summer). Keep in mind this is a small town, I sub at the school too, there's only 45 kids per grade so we will see these people ALOT.
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tanya2
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Post by tanya2 on May 28, 2018 13:17:10 GMT
I would be honest & tell them he's not a great swimmer and that you need him to have adult supervision at all times in the water. But be prepared for her to tell you that it's ok for you to stay the whole time to watch them
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Post by tanya2 on May 28, 2018 13:18:06 GMT
and i would have freaked out that they were in there by themselves with no adults around!! I'm surprised you didn't bitch her out about it
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on May 28, 2018 13:19:12 GMT
DS would love to come over; however, I am not comfortable with him swimming unsupervised.
Just say that and see what she says
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 28, 2018 13:19:33 GMT
I would be very concerned. That would scare the crap out of me. We have a lake cabin and are in and around water all summer. Water safety is a HUGE deal to me and I absolutely would NEVER leave my own or anybody’s young kids unattended in a situation like that. The older kids aren’t that much older and probably wouldn’t be able to do much in an emergency. I’ve seen with my own eyes how quickly things can go sideways when my younger brother almost drowned at a water park with lifeguards right there, so I’m sitting right on that bench with you. I wouldn’t let my kid go anywhere around water with that family unless I was there too to keep an eye out. It only takes a few minutes for a kid to drown.
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Post by pierkiss on May 28, 2018 13:21:03 GMT
I would be upset. I would not be too keen on having my 7 year old over there to swim anymore. You told her he wasn’t a strong/reliable swimmer and she still left him and her own kid alone to go take “a nap” (calling bullshit on that one). 2 eleven year olds are not a replacement for a grown up supervisor. What if something had happened to any of them, not just your son?
If you are wanting to save this friendship you are going to have to have the uncomfortable conversation with the mom. Just say, hey, I’m not comfortable with him coming over to swim unsupervised. And go from there.
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Post by johnnysmom on May 28, 2018 13:21:35 GMT
and i would have freaked out that they were in there by themselves with no adults around!! I'm surprised you didn't bitch her out about it I'd have to have found her first 
Plus until I had ds in the car I wasn't sure if they were told they weren't supposed to be in the pond and yet went in anyhow. But he said it was ok since the girls were watching them. He also said that since there were 2 girls each 11 years old, plus 2 boys each 7 years old then "by my calculations that's 36 and that's an adult"  My little smartass didn't have an answer when I asked if it'd be ok if 36 1 year olds watched themselves 
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Post by rickmer on May 28, 2018 13:23:22 GMT
i wouldn't allow it. i would be totally unconcerned about parents napping while kids in the house... but that would be a no-go for me. so ya, what keithurbanlovinpea said.
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Post by johnnysmom on May 28, 2018 13:25:16 GMT
I would be upset. I would not be too keen on having my 7 year old over there to swim anymore. You told her he wasn’t a strong/reliable swimmer and she still left him and her own kid alone to go take “a nap” (calling bullshit on that one). 2 eleven year olds are not a replacement for a grown up supervisor. What if something had happened to any of them, not just your son? If you are wanting to save this friendship you are going to have to have the uncomfortable conversation with the mom. Just say, hey, I’m not comfortable with him coming over to swim unsupervised. And go from there. Right? I mean, who naps when your kids have friends over? 1 parent has a headache and goes to lay down, ok, but both of them, wtf.
Not only could something happen to any of them, but if someone happened to one of them the oldest would probably never forgive themselves, even though their ability to help was minimal.
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Post by tanya2 on May 28, 2018 13:28:56 GMT
I might also remind her the letting kids swim unsupervised is a lawsuit waiting to happen
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Post by kibble on May 28, 2018 13:32:00 GMT
I'd be honest and say while he would love to go I'm comfortable having him go because he's not a strong swimmer. If she presses further say you were upset he was left unsupervised.
I wouldn't let him go with them to the lake. I'd be worried the whole time.
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Post by librarylady on May 28, 2018 13:34:06 GMT
Looks like you have to have the uncomfortable conversation with her.
That situation was not at all acceptable.
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Post by worrywart on May 28, 2018 13:35:28 GMT
Just curious if he was wearing a life jacket..
Regardless, I would be extremely uncomfortable with this situation. We have had 2 child drownings in the last couple days in the metro area here (age 3 and age 6). Children should not be unsupervised around water.
I'm sorry that you have to confront this with your friend/acquaintance but it was not okay for them to be unsupervised.
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Post by hop2 on May 28, 2018 13:44:12 GMT
I could not in good conscience allow my child to swim while in their care again.
You clearly told her he wasn’t a strong swimmer. It’s not like they ran in for a quick minute or to grab something. It’s not even like they were inside but could see the children. They were Pretty unavailable if something happened.
Clearly she has different safety ideas than you do.
I am of the if children are swimming an adult who can swim is looking at them the entire time mode of parenting.
Sure I might be doing something with my hands like folding laundry or something that doesn’t require my attention. But I’m watching. I might read if watching strong swimmers but I’m THERE, I did that up until they swam with friends who were lifeguards. At that point I’m am watching them from time to time and always within earshot.
I will admit that at our lake where there are life guards I did read while my kids swam, glancing up to check frequently. But there were lifeguards with more actual skill than I have watching everyone. Without life guards I felt too uncomfortable to not actually watch them.
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Post by johnnysmom on May 28, 2018 13:46:01 GMT
Just curious if he was wearing a life jacket.. Regardless, I would be extremely uncomfortable with this situation. We have had 2 child drownings in the last couple days in the metro area here (age 3 and age 6). Children should not be unsupervised around water. I'm sorry that you have to confront this with your friend/acquaintance but it was not okay for them to be unsupervised. No, the lifejackets were next to the pond but not on.
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Post by hop2 on May 28, 2018 13:51:12 GMT
Just curious if he was wearing a life jacket.. Regardless, I would be extremely uncomfortable with this situation. We have had 2 child drownings in the last couple days in the metro area here (age 3 and age 6). Children should not be unsupervised around water. I'm sorry that you have to confront this with your friend/acquaintance but it was not okay for them to be unsupervised. No, the lifejackets were next to the pond but not on. I was curious about the life jacket but upon thought decided that it didn’t really matter if it was on as stuff still can happen.
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Post by littlemama on May 28, 2018 13:54:32 GMT
I am amazed at how many people allow children to be in the water unsupervised. Frightening. And I would bring it up to her and say, Hey, I want to make sure you know that the kids went in the pond with no adults supervising them. Also, instruct your son that no matter what the other kids are doing, he is not allowed in the water without an adult present.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 28, 2018 14:06:49 GMT
Just curious if he was wearing a life jacket.. Regardless, I would be extremely uncomfortable with this situation. We have had 2 child drownings in the last couple days in the metro area here (age 3 and age 6). Children should not be unsupervised around water. I'm sorry that you have to confront this with your friend/acquaintance but it was not okay for them to be unsupervised. No, the lifejackets were next to the pond but not on.       All the more reason to be Pea livid, if you ask me. The mom KNEW your kid wasn’t a good swimmer AND didn’t make sure he had a life jacket ON AND left the kids to play by and in the water by themselves AND then went to take a nap (or whatever?)? No, no, NO!!! How incredibly stupid. Ever since forever, when we are at the lake cabin ALL children WILL have life jackets ON when they are by the lake or even in the yard by the lakeshore. Period. They all grow up understanding this is the hard and fast rule and none of them ever challenge it. Even once they get a little older (my kid is 8 now and can swim fairly well) they still need to wear their life jackets when they are fishing on the dock or playing on or near the boats. It only takes a split second for something to go terribly wrong so all of us parents (and grandparents) watch out for everybody’s kids.
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Post by maryannscraps on May 28, 2018 14:10:11 GMT
Two 7-year olds left unsupervised in a pond? Are you f---g kidding me? The 11-year olds should also be supervised. I wouldn't trust that mom to safely take care of my kid. She obviously doesn't care about the dangers of leaving little kids alone to swim. That's waaay to young to not be standing by.
It's clear that if you want your son to be safe when swimming at their house, you'll have to stay and do the supervising. Otherwise, don't let him go over there.
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Post by mikklynn on May 28, 2018 14:15:36 GMT
DS would love to come over; however, I am not comfortable with him swimming unsupervised. Just say that and see what she says I agree. This is a good way to handle it. At our family lake home, no kids go in the lake unless an adult is right there by the lake. When we have guests, the rule is a PARENT is right there. Some years the water off the dock is deeper than other years. Those years, the smaller kids have to wear a life jacket on the dock. (they like to fish there)
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Post by hdoublej on May 28, 2018 14:39:02 GMT
I'd be upset too! I don't think I could allow my child to swim with them again.
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Post by Skellinton on May 28, 2018 14:42:11 GMT
I would be pea livid too, and even after telling her I was not comfortable about him having been left unsupervised Iwouldn’t ever be able to trust her to take it seriously and watch my kid. I wouldn’t let him over unless you were able to go. In a situation like that there are no second chances.
I cannot believe after you told her that he needed a life jacket she not only didn’t make him wear one but she left him in the care of 11 year olds. Not ok, not worth the risk or worry again.
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Post by 950nancy on May 28, 2018 14:46:18 GMT
He's 7. Even good swimmers at 7 shouldn't be left alone. His friends wouldn't know what to do if something happened. Don't blame you for feeling this way.
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Post by mom on May 28, 2018 14:52:09 GMT
Honestly? I think you need to talk to her and see what she says. Give her a chance to tell you what happened. Then I would tell her DS isn't allowed to swim unsupervised.
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Post by LeaP on May 28, 2018 15:01:02 GMT
In addition to what everybody else has said, if your Spidey senses are tingling listen! The unsupervised swimming and the nap do not make her seem like a responsible adult.
My daughter slipped under the water in my neighbor's pool when she was two. I was 5 feet away in the same tiny pool yapping with a neighbor. It all happened in less than a minute. She had over a year of swim lessons but forgot the try swimming when she slipped off the step. I turned around and fished her out, but it was a real eye-opener. It happened quickly and quietly.
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Post by Fidget on May 28, 2018 15:06:58 GMT
What other peas have said - I would simply tell them that you don't allow him to be in the water without an adult there watching. I have a pool and last summer was the first time that I allowed my 2 13 year old grandsons to swim without an adult outside with them and only when there are 2 of them, never one alone. My pool is only 4 feet deep but I would rather err on the side of caution. You just never know, and in a pond, with no life jacket. No way.
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Post by mallie on May 28, 2018 15:10:09 GMT
My kid would not be going to that house again. Period.
First of all, both adults NAPPING while 7 year olds are unsupervised is bad. Secondly, both adults napping with unsupervised 7 year olds have access to and been told it was okay to go swimming in a pond is high degree negligence. Thirdly, both adults napping with unsupervised 7 year olds who have access to and been told it was okay to go swimming in a pond without the life jackets the parents told you they would be wearing? I have no words.
No more visits to that house. And I would have no problem telling the mother why.
Regardless of what she says, I would not allow my kid back there. She lied to you/didn't fulfill her promise the first time.She basically took a chance on your kid's life. She's not going to get another chance to kill my kid with her stupid negligence.
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Post by mrssmith on May 28, 2018 15:10:14 GMT
Yeah, I wouldn't allow that either. Very disturbing. I would not let him go to the lake with them. My kids are 7 and 9 and do swim. We were at a friend's house with a pool yesterday and had eyes on them the whole time. Yes, as a previous poster said - it can happen very quickly and quietly. My kids were on floaties but did not have life jackets on or anything.
Sorry this happened to you. A conversation is in order if he will be going over there this summer. 7 is still pretty young even if he were a strong swimmer.
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Post by bc2ca on May 28, 2018 15:14:42 GMT
DS would love to come over; however, I am not comfortable with him swimming unsupervised. Just say that and see what she says I'd be concerned about leaving my kids with parents that slip away for a quick "nap" at the first opportunity. I'd also be concerned about a parent that felt a life jacket or staying in the shallow end were substitutions for adult supervision.
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Post by seaexplore on May 28, 2018 15:17:26 GMT
DS would love to come over; however, I am not comfortable with him swimming unsupervised. Just say that and see what she says This.
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