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Post by zella on May 30, 2018 22:09:33 GMT
I couldn't find a thread on it. Tonight's the very last show. I'm going to miss it. I thought last season was lame, but this season has been much better.
Any guesses on what's going to happen? I think either Philip or Elizabeth or both will end up dead. That's my guess. I have no clue what will happen to Paige and Henry.
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Post by Yoki on May 30, 2018 22:13:16 GMT
I LOVE The Americans! (Although I agree that last season wasn't very good.)
I think Elizabeth should be the one to die, but it'll probably be Philip and she'll have to deal with that, especially as she was just starting to feel some human emotions. I don't think anything will happen to Paige or Henry.
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Post by ginacivey on May 30, 2018 22:50:16 GMT
i'm looking forward to tonight's show
and i'm sad to see the story end
let me make my prediction now
stan's GF is russian
otherwise she doesn't matter in the whole scheme of the show
otherwise why is she interviewing at the FBI
if i ended the show...that wouldbe the last scene
her and her russian handler
gina
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Post by zella on May 30, 2018 23:37:01 GMT
Ooh, Gina, I like your thought. I've wondered about Renee the whole time. Seems like they have a lot of loose ends to tie up in one show.
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Post by miaow on May 30, 2018 23:43:38 GMT
I love the show and will miss it. I do appreciate when they know it will end and they can wrap things up.
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Post by ginacivey on May 30, 2018 23:45:13 GMT
I've wondered about Renee the whole time. she serves no purpose on this show unless there might be a spin off somehow like what happens to the'illegals' with the end of the cold war the calendar on the wall in the last episode says Dec 87 so in 4 years the USSR crumbles do they all go home to mother russia? do they stay living as americans? and what happened with Phillips other wife - that they shipped to russia? gina
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Post by monklady123 on May 31, 2018 1:59:12 GMT
I think a great final scene would be at Claudia's apartment...she's there alone and we hear a knock at the door. And in walks.... who? Renee? Stan? (wouldn't that be something??) or Henry?? This would be the very end after whatever happens to Elizabeth and Phillip has happened.
I have no idea really, but they do have an awful lot to wrap up in such a short time.
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Post by cadoodlebug on May 31, 2018 2:16:46 GMT
We often watched it with our DS so we're going to wait until he's here for Father's Day weekend to watch it. Things I want to happen: Elizabeth and Philip turn on the center, spill their guts and go into witness protection. Philip also gets Oleg out of jail. Stan realizes Renee has been using him and shoots her in self-defense. Claudia dies a very slow and painful death. ETA: Isn't tonight's episode 90 minutes? ETA again: This show is one of the best shows ever on television that so many people never saw. 
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Post by bc2ca on May 31, 2018 3:02:39 GMT
ginacivey , I've felt Renee was Russian from when she first started dating Stan. Do we know whose file he was looking at in the preview? Could it be hers? I can't believe Philip was allowed to walk away from the Center. The travel agency not showing up on a computer search made no sense to me. I know it is a deep cover, but it is a legitimate travel agency that employees many Americans not a shell company with no business? The whole Paige storyline has always been off for me. She gets over her mother killing someone, but is horrified at her sexually manipulating the intern in Senator Nunn's office. I can't believe Elizabeth didn't kill him. Her not doing that and saving the Russian diplomat makes me believe she and Philip turn themselves in and cooperate with the FBI. They can't expect the Center to help them escape given Elizabeth's interference in that assassination attempt. Paige either ends up in Russia or dead. Stan takes in Henry.
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Post by zella on May 31, 2018 3:30:01 GMT
bc2ca I agree with you on all points except about Philip.
I saw parts of an interview with an ex-KGB spy who was in deep cover in the US in, I think, the 80's. He said that much of what they show is realistic. He did say that he was never told what to do; it was always up to him. He walked away from the KGB and still lives in the US. Mind you, I think he turned info over to the US. He did say that things happen much more slowly IRL than on the show, which I figured.
I don't understand why Elizabeth kept lying to Paige about the sexual aspect of the job. Why? She had to know that sooner or later it WOULD surface. And boy, Elizabeth is a very unlikable character, don't you think? When Paige asked if she could sleep over and she barked at her, "No, it's a work night. Go home." Cold. So cold.
Poor Henry. He still doesn't know anything. Man that sucks.
I'm so so glad that Phillip didn't go through with Elizabeth's plan for Kimmy.
There are so many "ew" moments in this show. Phillip and Kimmy having sex was one, so was Elizabeth having sex with the college student. But it's SUCH a good show!
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Post by misadventurous on May 31, 2018 3:54:18 GMT
I binge watched season 6 and just caught up the other night. I somehow missed that there were only 10 episodes this season and that there!s only one left! I'll be so sad when it's all over. It's been one of my favorite shows and this final season has been great.
I love the tension with Stan having finally being suspicious of them and wish we could have a few more episodes to see that suspicion ripen more slowly to a full realization. Seriously - the poor guy! Philip is his best friend!
I definitely think Renee is Russian and again, wish there was more time for that storyline. A lot has to happen in this final episode! I think Paige is the worst character. I find her unlikeable as well as unbelievable.
As I've purchased the season on Amazon, I'm really hoping it shows up there tonight!
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Post by ginacivey on May 31, 2018 15:43:09 GMT
This show is one of the best shows ever on television that so many people never saw.  you bet it is!
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Post by bc2ca on May 31, 2018 15:49:01 GMT
Well, I sure didn't see that ending coming. Way too many unanswered questions. I was sure one of them was going to be arrested on the train.
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Post by oaksong on May 31, 2018 16:05:32 GMT
Such a great show! I hope that Matthew Rhys gets an Emmy for this season, but they are all really amazing.
I loved the parking garage scene! That wrapped it all up and left me completely satisfied with the series. The rest was interesting and surprising. I'm glad they didn't kill anyone off. I liked it that they left things somewhat open-ended, for each viewer to imagine the future.
This really is one of the best things that has been on TV. I worked in military intelligence during the Cold War, so that made it even more interesting. I will miss the nostalgia of revisiting the 80s, orange wallpaper, pay phones and all.
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Post by ginacivey on May 31, 2018 16:25:10 GMT
that poor stan was a russian magnet!
i have my fingers crossed for a show about renee
gina
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Post by questioning on May 31, 2018 20:29:16 GMT
Such a great show! I hope that Matthew Rhys gets an Emmy for this season, but they are all really amazing. I loved the parking garage scene! That wrapped it all up and left me completely satisfied with the series. The rest was interesting and surprising. I'm glad they didn't kill anyone off. I liked it that they left things somewhat open-ended, for each viewer to imagine the future. This really is one of the best things that has been on TV. I worked in military intelligence during the Cold War, so that made it even more interesting. I will miss the nostalgia of revisiting the 80s, orange wallpaper, pay phones and all. We need a thread about your former work  Phillip joining Elizabeth on that mission was a great segment! It was fun revisiting the 80's, I loved seeing the fashions and realizing I dressed Older at 22 than I do now.... We would notice a scene, like the parking garage, that would be different today with security cameras everywhere.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 31, 2018 21:20:06 GMT
SPOILERS Fabulous series. I liked the finale - mostly because they stuck to the show’s central themes of marriage, family, and the fall-out from choosing to create children as part of a spy cover - but I’m confused about Paige’s ability to lie her way out of an arrest, especially since she’s been missing all night. Also very sad about noble, handsome Oleg. All season, I thought he was going to die, but this isn’t much better. I also always thought that Elizabeth would die. I thought she would sacrifice herself for her husband or her family. I am not the Elizabeth hater that most viewers are, and I think Philip gets too much credit. On the podcast, the show runners said that they had never considered Elizabeth to be a bad person, so I feel somewhat vindicated. bc2ca: Stan was just looking up whether Philip, Elizabeth or the business had been involved in any criminal activity. All he found was the criminal record for another guy with the (probably common) name Philip Jennings.
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Post by #notLauren on May 31, 2018 21:25:39 GMT
I liked the ending. Paige acted like typical Paige. Hers was the only character I didn't like throughout the entire seried.
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Post by questioning on May 31, 2018 21:46:57 GMT
I liked the ending. Paige acted like typical Paige. Hers was the only character I didn't like throughout the entire seried. i haven't cared for the character either, although a spin-off with her could be interesting. Where's she going to live? Pay her bills? I assume she stayed in order to watch over Henry, would she stay in touch with Stan? Would she become as cold as Elizabeth? Actually I like Elizabeth, she is goal oriented, stays on task. It would be incredible to be able to compartmentalize work at home and vice-versa.
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Post by oaksong on Jun 1, 2018 2:24:24 GMT
Such a great show! I hope that Matthew Rhys gets an Emmy for this season, but they are all really amazing. I loved the parking garage scene! That wrapped it all up and left me completely satisfied with the series. The rest was interesting and surprising. I'm glad they didn't kill anyone off. I liked it that they left things somewhat open-ended, for each viewer to imagine the future. This really is one of the best things that has been on TV. I worked in military intelligence during the Cold War, so that made it even more interesting. I will miss the nostalgia of revisiting the 80s, orange wallpaper, pay phones and all. We need a thread about your former work  Phillip joining Elizabeth on that mission was a great segment! It was fun revisiting the 80's, I loved seeing the fashions and realizing I dressed Older at 22 than I do now.... We would notice a scene, like the parking garage, that would be different today with security cameras everywhere. Haha, I could tell you but then I’d have to kill you... I really loved Elizabeth’s character, too. She was so passionate and stayed true to her cause. I liked Philip’s comment, something about how she wanted to fix the whole world.
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Post by ginacivey on Jun 1, 2018 13:24:42 GMT
I saw parts of an interview with an ex-KGB spy who was in deep cover in the US in, I think, the 80's. He said that much of what they show is realistic. He did say that he was never told what to do; it was always up to him. He walked away from the KGB and still lives in the US. Mind you, I think he turned info over to the US. He did say that things happen much more slowly IRL than on the show, which I figured. Jack Barsky?
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Post by PenandInk on Jun 1, 2018 13:26:16 GMT
DH and I loved this show...sad it’s over, but I’m glad they had a series finale and didn’t just disappear.
When we were first married in the late 70’s, we lived in the DC suburbs, in a little garden apartment complex. At the height of the Cold War. My good friend lived a couple of buildings over. Her neighbors were Russian. One day, the FBI contacts her, and meets with her and her roommate. They ask all kinds of questions about the Russian neighbors, and then give them a contact name and phone number and ask them to call if they notice anything “strange” going on with the Russians. As I recall, they explained in detail what would constitute “strange”.
My friend laughed it off at the time, although it creeped me out even then. But watching this series creeped me out even more, knowing it was going on right under our noses back in the day. I read somewhere that no one agent would have done all that Philip and Elizabeth did, their characters were a mash up of what a whole team of agents would do. But still...
I liked the finale, sort of. I wish there had been an epilogue of some kind. Philip running into Martha, or the two of them realizing things weren’t quite what they’d been led to believe. I don’t know. I realize they are left all alone without their children in a country they don’t know anymore, and have no connection to, but they did some pretty horrific things, especially Elizabeth. Her kids never came first, they were just there to support her cover. So it was a bit of a letdown that she just walked away.
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Post by ginacivey on Jun 1, 2018 13:41:31 GMT
i need to know 1. what happened to martha? 2. where is philip's oldest son? 3. now that stan heard the same story from philip about gorbachev will he believe and help oleg? 4. renee? renee? 5. is paige just going to stay at the safe house? - will someone reach out to her? or will she forgot all that is russian and help with henry? 6. where is stan's son? will he 'parent' henry? 7. when the coldwar ends can philip/elizabeth contact their kids? 8. did stan forget he was screwing his russian informant nina? it's not like he's completely innocent 9. what's going to happen with claudia?
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jun 1, 2018 13:58:00 GMT
i need to know 1. what happened to martha? 2. where is philip's oldest son? 3. now that stan heard the same story from philip about gorbachev will he believe and help oleg? 4. renee? renee? 5. is paige just going to stay at the safe house? - will someone reach out to her? or will she forgot all that is russian and help with henry? 6. where is stan's son? will he 'parent' henry? 7. when the coldwar ends can philip/elizabeth contact their kids? 8. did stan forget he was screwing his russian informant nina? it's not like he's completely innocent 9. what's going to happen with claudia? gina 1. Hopefully, Martha adopted that darling orphan girl and they both end up bilingual. 5. I’m okay with most open-ended scenarios, but this one bothers me. She could end up in prison. 7. Technically, there’s nothing to prevent Philip and Elizabeth from calling or writing to their kids right away ...eventually emailing. There’s no fear of extradition. After the political reorganization, Paige and Henry could even visit Russia - if they chose and if Paige is free. (Okay, I admit it; I’m worried about her. She’s a starry eyed 19 year old who has no money or home, her biggest expressed fear is being alone, and she was an unwitting accessory to murder. And she forgot to drink the castor oil before the vodka. And yes, I realize she is fictional. LOL.)
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Post by PenandInk on Jun 1, 2018 14:02:10 GMT
i need to know 1. what happened to martha? 2. where is philip's oldest son? 3. now that stan heard the same story from philip about gorbachev will he believe and help oleg? 4. renee? renee? 5. is paige just going to stay at the safe house? - will someone reach out to her? or will she forgot all that is russian and help with henry? 6. where is stan's son? will he 'parent' henry? 7. when the coldwar ends can philip/elizabeth contact their kids? 8. did stan forget he was screwing his russian informant nina? it's not like he's completely innocent 9. what's going to happen with claudia? gina
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Post by monklady123 on Jun 1, 2018 14:42:28 GMT
i need to know 1. what happened to martha? 2. where is philip's oldest son? 3. now that stan heard the same story from philip about gorbachev will he believe and help oleg? 4. renee? renee? 5. is paige just going to stay at the safe house? - will someone reach out to her? or will she forgot all that is russian and help with henry? 6. where is stan's son? will he 'parent' henry? 7. when the coldwar ends can philip/elizabeth contact their kids? 8. did stan forget he was screwing his russian informant nina? it's not like he's completely innocent 9. what's going to happen with claudia? gina My answers, based on nothing but wishful thinking... lol. 1. Martha has adopted that cute little girl and finally has someone to love and who will love her. She is fairly happy and is now pretty fluent in Russian. 2. Phillip's son Mischa is working at a factory, and living with Philip's brother (we saw that in the episode where Mischa had to go back to the Soviet Union). Philip will contact them after he's settled in Moscow (or wherever he ends up). 3. Yes, Stan will help Oleg. We know that Gorbachev and the reformers survive because historically we know what will happen in a few years. 4. Renee is an undercover Russian. I forget why Philip and Elizabeth originally suspected it, but that look she had when she was watching the FBI raid the Jennings' house was a satisfied type of look. Philip warned Stan so that he would be careful not to bring home information that Renee could pass on. And if she ends up working at the FBI he can keep his eye on her. At the same time he loves her. This is his punishment that he has to live with for the rest of his life for allowing Philip and Elizabeth to walk away. 5. Paige is harder to wrap up, lol. In the garage she said to Stan that she'd known about her parents since she was 16 so in his eyes she's not entirely innocent, although of course he has no idea that she'd been doing some small missions with Elizabeth. But Stan can't just have her arrested because he'd need probable cause and he couldn't admit to the others at the FBI that he'd talked to Philip and Elizabeth in the parking garage or else he'll be arrested for treason. So my theory is that Paige eventually goes back to her apartment and/or to Stan's house and he takes her in. But he's always a bit suspicious of her. And of course she's brought in to the FBI for questioning but she can probably get out of any trouble by just saying "I was just a kid, I didn't understand" or something like that. 6. No idea about Stan's son because he wasn't ever really in the show except for that short time when he and Paige were a thing. 7. I think they could contact them right away, I mean even in the days of the Cold War people were allowed to write letters. They'd probably be censored though, at least those coming out of the Soviet Union. I would think that Philip and Elizabeth would never be allowed to leave the Soviet Union, and probably not from Russia either after the Soviet Union crumbles. And I wonder if the kids would ever be allowed to go there. I wonder if they'd even be allowed to have a passport. But once the internet is invented (lol) they could do email. But...will Henry and Paige even want to talk to their parents? 8. I'm sure Stan has not forgotten Nina. I think that memory was partly wrapped up in his mind as he stood in that parking garage with the gun pointed at Philip. He's entangled in the whole Russian spy thing and can never admit any of it or he'll be tossed in jail for treason. 9. Claudia has gone back to the Soviet Union and is working at whatever job the KGB set up for her. Whether she survives the fall of the Soviet Union depends on how high up she is in the KGB (i.e., the higher one is the worse it will be for them) and how much she can lay low. How's that? One of my unanswered questions is how the heck did Paige get all the way back to Virginia from the Canadian border when she seemingly had nothing with her? Unless she had money stashed in her pockets.
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Post by ginacivey on Jun 1, 2018 15:58:27 GMT
And she forgot to drink the castor oil before the vodka. And yes, I realize she is fictional. LOL.) explain this? But...will Henry and Paige even want to talk to their parents? paige probbably- henry - maybe not remember in the second season - that one teenaged boy killed hisfamily when he found out they were russian spies! Unless she had money stashed in her pockets. when they were burying their old identities elizabeth took money out of paige'swallet before she dumped the wallet. Iimagine she had to have some on her person for the train ride back from the border to dc - gina
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jun 1, 2018 17:00:45 GMT
And she forgot to drink the castor oil before the vodka. And yes, I realize she is fictional. LOL.) explain this? Sure. A few episodes ago, as part of Paige’s training, Claudia and Elizabeth taught Paige to drink castor oil before she drinks - to delay drunkenness. Then they all got drunk and talked about sex. btw: That teen son of the other “Illegals” killed his family because his KGB parents disapproved when they found out that a handler had seduced and recruited him. It’s easy to misremember because it’s such a wildly preposterous premise that an American-raised kid would massacre his family out of brand-new loyalty to the USSR - and sex - but it was a plot contrivance to explain why the Center asked Elizabeth and Philip to out themselves to Paige in preparation for recruiting her as a second generation spy.
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Post by zella on Jun 1, 2018 19:16:59 GMT
I saw parts of an interview with an ex-KGB spy who was in deep cover in the US in, I think, the 80's. He said that much of what they show is realistic. He did say that he was never told what to do; it was always up to him. He walked away from the KGB and still lives in the US. Mind you, I think he turned info over to the US. He did say that things happen much more slowly IRL than on the show, which I figured. Jack Barsky? Yes.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 1, 2018 19:28:10 GMT
i need to know 1. what happened to martha? 2. where is philip's oldest son? 3. now that stan heard the same story from philip about gorbachev will he believe and help oleg? 4. renee? renee? 5. is paige just going to stay at the safe house? - will someone reach out to her? or will she forgot all that is russian and help with henry? 6. where is stan's son? will he 'parent' henry? 7. when the coldwar ends can philip/elizabeth contact their kids? 8. did stan forget he was screwing his russian informant nina? it's not like he's completely innocent 9. what's going to happen with claudia? gina 1. Martha finds out Philip has returned to Russia and is destroyed all over again over what she did for him when he doesn't come to see her/be with her. Gets her revenge by becoming a double agent, bringing intelligence to the Americans. 2. Philip reconnects with his oldest son who makes him & Elizabeth doting grandparents. 3. Of course Stan helps Oleg, who ends up in witness protection. Martha's first assignment is to facilitate his family being reunited with him in the US. 4. Stan successfully tests Renee with a disinformation campaign, confronts her with the evidence and testifies against her. 5. The Russians do not reach out to Paige and Stan blocks her from seeing Henry. She wanders around DC, a lost soul until she stumbles into a Dianetics Reading Room for warmth and takes a free personality test. Currently an OT VIII and personal assistant to Shelly Miscavige, Paige was last seen in public around 2007ish. 6. Stan's son finishes his computer science degree and moves to Seattle to work for Microsoft. He becomes a great big brother to Henry, who is legally adopted by Stan after he divorces Renee. 7. Philip and Elizabeth could contact Henry, but respect Stan's objections. Stan does send them photos. Paige has refused all contact since they rebuffed her efforts to bring them into Scientology. 8. Stan never forgets Nina. Martha & Oleg help him find her grave and he sends flowers on her birthday every year. 9. Claudia disappears for a while, finally resurfacing as a language instructor at the LDS Missionary Training Center in Utah.
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