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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 1:57:53 GMT
Shellfish in the Puget Sound, an inlet of the Pacific Ocean along the northwest coast of Washington, tested positive for the prescription opioid oxycodone.
But that wasn't all, according to Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife biologist Jennifer Lanksbury. In the midst of a national opioid crisis, the opioid may be the most attention-grabbing contaminant found, but it could be the least worrisome.
The mussels also contained four kinds of synthetic surfactants -- the chemicals found in detergents and cleaning products -- seven kinds of antibiotics, five types of antidepressants, more than one antidiabetic drug and one chemotherapy agent.
Scientists have not studied whether mussels are harmed by oxycodone. However, the presence of this drug in the mollusk speaks to the high number of people in the urban areas surrounding the Puget Sound who take this medication, said Lanksbury.
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Post by destined2bmom on Jun 1, 2018 2:08:08 GMT
Yikes. I would have never thought that fish and shellfish would be affected by man-made drugs. Interesting article.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 1, 2018 2:14:26 GMT
So why is it that opioids are the only thing listed the headline as if the mussels only contained this contaminants ? I must say I hate misleading headlines like this! Why not print, "Mussels in WA's Puget Sound test positive for opioids among other contaminants"
The article goes on to mention that the opioid contained in the mussels is the least worrisome. So why is it the point of the headline then? The mussels also contain 4 kinds of synthetic surfactants-chemical cleaners, seven kinds of antibiotics, five kinds of antidepressants, more than one type of anti-diabetic drug, and one chemotherapy agent!
Thank you for posting this article seasidemermaid. It makes me very sad to hear of this. The only way I can think of that those things got into the water is that they were flushed down the toilet. Or it could have been in the feces of the people flushed down that toilet although I don't think so-it would be too concentrated.
To me this is a PSA-Please don't ever flush left over medication down the toilet-it ends up in bays and the ocean. There are places to take it. Ask your pharmacist and they can guide you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 2:31:53 GMT
So why is it that opioids are the only thing listed the headline as if the mussels only contained this contaminants ? I must say I hate misleading headlines like this! Why not print, "Mussels in WA's Puget Sound test positive for opioids among other contaminants" The article goes on to mention that the opioid contained in the mussels is the least worrisome. So why is it the point of the headline then? The mussels also contain 4 kinds of synthetic surfactants-chemical cleaners, seven kinds of antibiotics, five kinds of antidepressants, more than one type of anti-diabetic drug, and one chemotherapy agent! Thank you for posting this article seasidemermaid. It makes me very sad to hear of this. The only way I can think of that those things got into the water is that they were flushed down the toilet. Or it could have been in the feces of the people flushed down that toilet although I don't think so-it would be too concentrated. To me this is a PSA-Please don't ever flush left over medication down the toilet-it ends up in bays and the ocean. There are places to take it. Ask your pharmacist and they can guide you.
I tried to enter more text on the subject line, but was limited. Totally agree that the headline is misleading in that there were much more serious contaminants found. The whole thing is worrisome because they are finding pollutants in the salmon as well.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 1, 2018 2:34:36 GMT
ugh. ugh ugh ugh. That is so upsetting.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 1, 2018 2:48:39 GMT
So why is it that opioids are the only thing listed the headline as if the mussels only contained this contaminants ? I must say I hate misleading headlines like this! Why not print, "Mussels in WA's Puget Sound test positive for opioids among other contaminants" The article goes on to mention that the opioid contained in the mussels is the least worrisome. So why is it the point of the headline then? The mussels also contain 4 kinds of synthetic surfactants-chemical cleaners, seven kinds of antibiotics, five kinds of antidepressants, more than one type of anti-diabetic drug, and one chemotherapy agent! Thank you for posting this article seasidemermaid. It makes me very sad to hear of this. The only way I can think of that those things got into the water is that they were flushed down the toilet. Or it could have been in the feces of the people flushed down that toilet although I don't think so-it would be too concentrated. To me this is a PSA-Please don't ever flush left over medication down the toilet-it ends up in bays and the ocean. There are places to take it. Ask your pharmacist and they can guide you.
I tried to enter more text on the subject line, but was limited. Totally agree that the headline is misleading in that there were much more serious contaminants found. The whole thing is worrisome because they are finding pollutants in the salmon as well.
Agree totally with you. Extremely worrisome. One more reason I don't eat animal products-including fish and shellfish anymore. But much more worrisome to me is the health of the fish, shell fish, the bays and the ocean. We have got to do better at protecting the ocean and the bays because they are our life source. I just saw an amazing documentary on Netflix called "Blue Mission" the other night. There are lots of them. I watched this one because the person the documentary is about (and she is quite amazing) wrote a book that I was reading and it was due back at the library before I was finished with it called "The World Is Blue" by Sylvia A. Earle. If you have any interest in this you might want to watch the documentary (it was great!) although I think the book is better about explaining how we are destroying the ocean. You can get the book currently in paperback from Amazon for $6.68.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 2:54:22 GMT
I just saw an amazing documentary on Netflix called "Blue Mission" the other night. Thanks for the recommendation! I will add that to my watch list. DD and her BF love to surf and I am always worried about the contaminants they are being exposed to... well the contaminants and great whites. 
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Post by dewryce on Jun 1, 2018 2:54:28 GMT
How does that work exactly? I understand the chemicals from cleaning agents from run off and pollution. And maybe some drugs because they are flushed. But opioids and chemotherapy are hard to come by and valuable to their users. Are enough of them really being flushed that they're detected at this high a rate or are they getting there by some other means? Do they come out in urine? Well, wait. Surely waste water isn't sent to the ocean. Or am I just naive?
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Post by birukitty on Jun 1, 2018 3:02:46 GMT
How does that work exactly? I understand the chemicals from cleaning agents from run off and pollution. And maybe some drugs because they are flushed. But opioids and chemotherapy are hard to come by and valuable to their users. Are enough of them really being flushed that they're detected at this high a rate or are they getting there by some other means? Do they come out in urine? Well, wait. Surely waste water isn't sent to the ocean. Or am I just naive? Watch the documentary I recommended to seasidemermaid to get some of these answers-"Blue Mission". It's about the ocean, conservation and how fast we are killing the ocean. I only saw it once when I was really sleepy and should have long gone to bed, but I do remember it showed something about cruise ships routinely dumping their trash over the sides, even recently. I'm not sure how the waste water is handled on those ships. We've long thought the ocean is so huge we can put anything in it and it won't matter, but that certainly isn't the case. The documentary doesn't cover your question about the drugs because it was made awhile ago and this was very recent-the news article. It does go over what little is being done as far as conservation efforts. It opened up my eyes as to how bad the problem is.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 1, 2018 3:04:43 GMT
birukitty Dumping their trash over the sides???  I hope they were fined out the wazoo for that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 3:20:51 GMT
Surely waste water isn't sent to the ocean. Untreated wastewater enters the ocean all the time via sewage spills, storm water runoff, flooding, leaks, etc. I'm not sure if "treated" wastewater is released into Puget Sound. If so, it is possible the method of treatment is not completely effective.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 4:18:32 GMT
And you thought there was only fish poop in the ocean.
I will up this all. The waste from the Fukushima power plant was filtered into special trailers. Ah yes, what the hell to do with those trailers/filters. One idea is to load them into a a huge ship, And the flood the cargo hold. Then let the ship just wander the globe for the next 10 years with a slow leak. The next thing is all those micro bead face creams. They find tons of fish with bellys full if that stuff. The aging waste water plants can't filter that out. Makes you really think.
On the funny side, will those mussels make you horny and high?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 4:25:35 GMT
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Post by birukitty on Jun 1, 2018 4:54:50 GMT
birukitty Dumping their trash over the sides???  I hope they were fined out the wazoo for that. Nope, not at all.
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Post by milocat on Jun 1, 2018 4:54:59 GMT
How does that work exactly? I understand the chemicals from cleaning agents from run off and pollution. And maybe some drugs because they are flushed. But opioids and chemotherapy are hard to come by and valuable to their users. Are enough of them really being flushed that they're detected at this high a rate or are they getting there by some other means? Do they come out in urine? Well, wait. Surely waste water isn't sent to the ocean. Or am I just naive? It's all the raw sewage coming down from Victoria that they dump into ocean. www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4537222 Back in February Victoria reported finding all kinds of drugs in mussels.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 1, 2018 4:58:14 GMT
BTW, tonight I'm watching another great documentary called "A Plastic Ocean" from 2016. It's answering a lot of questions about how some of the chemicals are getting into our seafood (has something to do with the plastics that break down into tiny pieces-the chemicals stick to those pieces and then the sea life ingest them). I highly recommend watching this one too. I'd probably watch this one first to answer the questions we've talked about on this thread. Very enlightening, and I think important for everyone to know.
Please recycle try all of your plastics. It is so important.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 5:04:36 GMT
birukitty Dumping their trash over the sides???  I hope they were fined out the wazoo for that. Where do you think that the trash went? And all the human waste? Airplanes dump waste just before the approach the airport. Our neighbor works for the railroad, he has list count how many times the amtrak will dump waste on his repair team. It is expensive carry waste to the port.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 1, 2018 5:05:22 GMT
Companies suck.
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Post by eastcoastpea on Jun 1, 2018 10:51:30 GMT
Yikes
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Post by wellway on Jun 1, 2018 11:01:33 GMT
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Post by Zee on Jun 1, 2018 13:09:07 GMT
I'll take 60 please
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 1, 2018 14:47:47 GMT
So why is it that opioids are the only thing listed the headline as if the mussels only contained this contaminants ? I must say I hate misleading headlines like this! Why not print, "Mussels in WA's Puget Sound test positive for opioids among other contaminants" The article goes on to mention that the opioid contained in the mussels is the least worrisome. So why is it the point of the headline then? The mussels also contain 4 kinds of synthetic surfactants-chemical cleaners, seven kinds of antibiotics, five kinds of antidepressants, more than one type of anti-diabetic drug, and one chemotherapy agent! Thank you for posting this article seasidemermaid. It makes me very sad to hear of this. The only way I can think of that those things got into the water is that they were flushed down the toilet. Or it could have been in the feces of the people flushed down that toilet although I don't think so-it would be too concentrated. To me this is a PSA-Please don't ever flush left over medication down the toilet-it ends up in bays and the ocean. There are places to take it. Ask your pharmacist and they can guide you. I’m curious how all of these things get into the water as well. Although, chemicals like glyphosate have been found in rain water so they could be getting into the ecosystem in ways that are not as obvious as people flushing them down the toilet (although, peeing them out is also a possibility).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 15:41:22 GMT
Chemicals get into waterways by the storm drain system. It empties right into the whatever waterway is closest. It by passes the treatment plant because that facility could not handle the influx of so much water.
In Seattle you will see signs saying, don't dump chemicals down drain.
People do it anyway.
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Post by Merge on Jun 1, 2018 17:54:53 GMT
Chemicals get into waterways by the storm drain system. It empties right into the whatever waterway is closest. It by passes the treatment plant because that facility could not handle the influx of so much water. In Seattle you will see signs saying, don't dump chemicals down drain. People do it anyway. Yes - the stormwater drains in my neighborhood have "empties into Galveston Bay" printed on them to try to dissuade all the people who dump used oil, dirty diapers and god knows what else in there.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 1, 2018 18:27:53 GMT
Airplanes dump waste just before the approach the airport. not true any longer. airplanes have tanks that collect the waste, and that tank is pumped / cleaned when required. How Airplane Toilets Workanother possibility for chemicals in water is companies that don't dispose of chemicals properly, and dump them / rinse them down the drain rather than following safety / hazard requirements. (possibly due to ignorance, willful or not-- if they don't get inspected, they won't know or have reason to change.) (spoken from experience, bc 20+ years ago, I worked for a company and our practice was to dispose of things down the drain that I'm pretty sure shouldn't have been, but I was in my early 20s, then- we didn't know who to ask to get assistance with that kind of thing.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 18:57:19 GMT
Airplanes dump waste just before the approach the airport. not true any longer. airplanes have tanks that collect the waste, and that tank is pumped / cleaned when required. How Airplane Toilets Workanother possibility for chemicals in water is companies that don't dispose of chemicals properly, and dump them / rinse them down the drain rather than following safety / hazard requirements. (possibly due to ignorance, willful or not-- if they don't get inspected, they won't know or have reason to change.) (spoken from experience, bc 20+ years ago, I worked for a company and our practice was to dispose of things down the drain that I'm pretty sure shouldn't have been, but I was in my early 20s, then- we didn't know who to ask to get assistance with that kind of thing.) I am going to take a grain of salt with that article.
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Post by Lexica on Jun 1, 2018 21:59:35 GMT
First, I fully admit to being a nerd who is fascinated with the workings of things like this. If facts about how toilet water is processed in this area is gross or boring to you, skip the rest of my post.
I worked for a local city’s sanitation department for over 20 years as a side job. I took the meetings down verbatim with my steno machine and then created meeting minutes for them. And over the course of all those years, I absorbed a lot of information about what happened with the trash and water. In the Orange County area, the wastewater from your sinks, showers, and toilets travels in the sewer system to one of two reclamation plants where they remove the solid sludge (feces, toilet paper, tampons, egg shells, etc.) and separate it from the liquid waste.
The liquid wastewater, approximately 185 million gallons a day, is treated via multiple stages and types of filtration and ends up in one of two places. About 130 million gallons of this cleaned and treated water is directed to the “ground breaking” groundwater replenishment program. This water is cleaner than any bottled water you could purchase and it is returned to the groundwater system to be eventually used again by homes and businesses throughout the area. 130 million gallons of water that is sterilized and used again. With the water shortages we have been through in the past, this is an amazing and critical program.
When this program was first introduced, it freaked people out and they began labeling it “Toilet to Tap” water, and people were joking that the water district put the “Number 2 in H2 0” But the water tested so incredibly pure that minerals had to be added back into it. People eventually got used to the idea of reclaimed water and it is an extremely important source of clean water for this area.
The remaining filtered water is sent through a giant pipe that is 10 feet wide and 5 miles long out into the Pacific Ocean off of Huntington Beach. The ocean water is monitored and tested daily. I think I remember that the water is sampled daily from within a 25-mile wide area and that there are approximately 100 thousand tests performed each year to make sure everything is as it should be and that no harm comes to the environment or inhabitants of the ocean. The solid sludge is treated with anaerobic digesters and heated to where it becomes biosolids. The biosolids are a nutrient rich material and is then trucked to fields throughout California and Arizona to be used as a soil amendment. The gases created from the anaerobic digestion process is used to power the water district’s onsite generators, so everything reclaimed from the toilets, showers, and kitchen sinks is put to use. And with 185 million gallons of it being treated every single day, it is an amazing system that utilizes waste material and turns it into clean water, soil amendments, and power.
Like I said, I admit to being a nerd who is fascinated by information. I have no idea how wastewater is handled by landlocked states and would be interested in hearing about it if you happen to know how it is handled in your area.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 22:12:26 GMT
LexicaI am appointing you resident expert! Now answer this question......why do people flush diapers?
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Post by birukitty on Jun 1, 2018 23:43:11 GMT
Really happy to hear this. I only saw the part about the cruise company dumping the waste in the documentary. They didn't go on to say what happened to them doing it. I assumed nothing. Bad thing-assuming. Thanks for checking it out Wellway. I'm very glad they were fined and especially glad to hear this isn't ordinary practice.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 1, 2018 23:51:09 GMT
Chemicals get into waterways by the storm drain system. It empties right into the whatever waterway is closest. It by passes the treatment plant because that facility could not handle the influx of so much water. In Seattle you will see signs saying, don't dump chemicals down drain. People do it anyway. Yes - the stormwater drains in my neighborhood have "empties into Galveston Bay" printed on them to try to dissuade all the people who dump used oil, dirty diapers and god knows what else in there. And eventually everything ends up in the ocean through rivers. They showed in the documentary I watched last night, "Plastic Ocean" that plastic litter put into the Great Lakes or left on the beaches eventually ends up in the ocean. Water bottles, any type of plastic. Like said above the plastic breaks down into small pieces, the chemicals bond with the plastic, and the fish and sea life eat the small pieces of plastic. We then eat the fish and sea life and it ends up in our systems. The chemicals mentioned in the documentary are scary including hormonal disrupters (I'm not saying that correctly, there was a specific term for it). It is on Netflix and I highly recommend watching it. It isn't a well done documentary-some parts are boring, and it cuts away at parts, but it has good information in it.
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