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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 3, 2018 19:34:23 GMT
pinklady , to be fair, I re-started this thread with an article specifically titled "Conservatives Must Argue About Ideas, Not Trump" because we, who have a more conservative political outlook, are so often called to defend Trump. And there you come right off the bat asking us to do that very thing. I went ahead and answered your question ultimately, but it shouldn't be surprising to feel a push-back from the others here. It will also be futile to argue about it (for everyone.) cadoodlebug , that IS great news! You know what it is? We don't want to have the topic of every discussion dictated to us by those who hate Trump. You hate Trump. Noted. Moving on, and if you can't move on from that, we will move on without you. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 3, 2018 19:42:26 GMT
Ours was free when we did ours as well. I think it's always been free if you've been a victim of identity theft. It's great that people can now freeze BEFORE there's a problem. freezing has been free but the unfreezing has not, so this is a big step in the right direction. Good to know - we never unfroze, so didn't realize. |
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Post by chances on Jun 3, 2018 19:52:41 GMT
freezing has been free but the unfreezing has not, so this is a big step in the right direction. Good to know - we never unfroze, so didn't realize. Does this mean no creditor can get access to your report? So stopping fraudulent accounts? That would be fantastic. I don't need my credit unfrozen when I'm not actively looking for credit anyway. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 3, 2018 20:11:20 GMT
Star Trek reference here.... for all us nerds...
I'm watching Deep Space Nine on Netflix. We are at war with the Dominion and Julian Bashir and a group of mutants have determined that the war is lost and we may as well give up and save billions of lives.
Julian: "Facts are facts."
O'Brien: "I don't know, Julian," Chief O'Brien disagrees.
Julian offers to explain further.
O'Brien: "I understood it perfectly. Believe it or not."
Julian: "That's not what I meant. All I'm saying is you have to look at the bigger picture."
O'Brien: "Well, I'm trying, but maybe I'm too uncomplicated to see it properly."
Julian: "I didn't say that."
O'Brien: "You didn't have to. The way you're acting... you think nobody with half a brain could possibly disagree with you."
Julian: "Frankly, I don't see how they can."
O'Brien: "Well, I can see two possible explanations for it. Either I'm even more feeble-minded than you ever realized, or you're not as smart as you think you are."
The last 2 years of American politics summed up in one bar scene of Deep Space Nine.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 3, 2018 20:33:21 GMT
Good to know - we never unfroze, so didn't realize. Does this mean no creditor can get access to your report? So stopping fraudulent accounts? That would be fantastic. I don't need my credit unfrozen when I'm not actively looking for credit anyway. That's it exactly. You cannot obtain credit cards or a mortgage as lenders can't access your credit (you'd need to unfreeze). You also can't do any kind of "instant credit" which would be relevant for those no money down - don't pay anything for 2 years - deals some retailers like to use. More here: www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/credit-report-freeze-1282.php |
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Post by katieanna on Jun 3, 2018 21:44:07 GMT
Hello, everyone! It seems our first thread has run its course, and it was time to try a reboot. This thread is for those with a more conservative approach to their politics, the title being a mash-up of REpublican, CONservative, and liberTARIAN, not in order, with a nod to being told to play in our own sandbox. There are no rules (there never were) but some caveats: If the very existence of this thread disturbs you, it’s probably best not to contribute. If you believe that not opposing the president or this administration at every turn equates to being cool with racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc., it’s probably best not to contribute. Anyone can post here, obviously, but this is not the place for those with opposing views to grill conservatives and demand that they defend every word of every post ad naseum. If you see that as us not wanting to be challenged on our views, it’s probably best not to contribute, and you can complain about that in every other thread you like. As for those who do post here, remember you can ignore any of the above should it occur. Put people on ignore, scroll, whatever. As always, just because I’m refreshing this thread, I don’t own it, I will participate sporadically, I may or may not share all the views expressed within it, and I don’t intend to police it. So now here is a piece I read this morning at National Review to get us started. I think it describes perfectly what I’d like to see this thread be about. www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/conservatives-must-argue-about-ideas-not-trump/Play nice and have fun! Awesome! I like this sandbox. |
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Post by berty on Jun 3, 2018 22:56:30 GMT
Ours was free when we did ours as well. I think it's always been free if you've been a victim of identity theft. It's great that people can now freeze BEFORE there's a problem. freezing has been free but the unfreezing has not, so this is a big step in the right direction. Freezing wasn't free for everyone. It depends on the state one resides in, and one's age. I had to pay $10 to each of the credit bureaus to get mine frozen. |
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Post by cade387 on Jun 3, 2018 23:14:22 GMT
Thank you for changing the title. I felt unwelcome as a conservative on the last thread as it was mostly republican issues and not conservative ones. Hopefully this will be a more welcoming place to discuss conservative issues. I'm sorry you felt unwelcome in the other thread. We welcome your input!! Even though many of us ARE Republican, many of us didn't vote for the current administration, but still remain conservative! The last thread seemed to be a rah-rah thread for what is going on today. Anyone who is fiscally conservative (not just claiming to be cannot be happy with the nonsense tax cuts that have been passed and the bailouts to bank and coal companies. I don’t think it would be better if election results had been different (both executive and legislative) but what we have now is a mess and setting our children up for disaster. I’m not a DT fan - wasn’t before he ran either. I do think the government should be smaller but that is on both social and fiscal issues - which the current DC atmosphere also seems to have a problem with. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 3, 2018 23:56:55 GMT
I do think the government should be smaller but that is on both social and fiscal issues - which the current DC atmosphere also seems to have a problem with. Amen! |
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Post by SweetieBugs on Jun 4, 2018 1:20:48 GMT
What does ReConTarian mean?
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Post by gale w on Jun 4, 2018 1:50:43 GMT
What does ReConTarian mean? There's an explanation in the first post. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 11:50:02 GMT
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Post by missmiss on Jun 4, 2018 15:12:11 GMT
Star Trek reference here.... for all us nerds... I'm watching Deep Space Nine on Netflix. We are at war with the Dominion and Julian Bashir and a group of mutants have determined that the war is lost and we may as well give up and save billions of lives. Julian: "Facts are facts." O'Brien: "I don't know, Julian," Chief O'Brien disagrees. Julian offers to explain further. O'Brien: "I understood it perfectly. Believe it or not." Julian: "That's not what I meant. All I'm saying is you have to look at the bigger picture." O'Brien: "Well, I'm trying, but maybe I'm too uncomplicated to see it properly." Julian: "I didn't say that." O'Brien: "You didn't have to. The way you're acting... you think nobody with half a brain could possibly disagree with you." Julian: "Frankly, I don't see how they can." O'Brien: "Well, I can see two possible explanations for it. Either I'm even more feeble-minded than you ever realized, or you're not as smart as you think you are." The last 2 years of American politics summed up in one bar scene of Deep Space Nine. Only 2? Come on now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 4:06:30 GMT
So can we agree we won't be baited and ignore those who just want to stir the pot? Sometimes it's hard to not type. But I think we can do it! |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 6, 2018 5:00:40 GMT
So can we agree we won't be baited and ignore those who just want to stir the pot? Sometimes it's hard to not type. But I think we can do it! That is why I have so many hidden/blocked! |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 6, 2018 16:34:26 GMT
I want to say that I am pretty much a libertarian in my views. There are things both conservative and liberal I've agreed with and disagreed with.
Yesterday I posted a thread on the recreational marijuana proposal in Michigan. Republicans in our state have been trying to circumvent this for this election cycle and the last but it finally looks like it is going to be on the ballot.
I would love to hear the viewpoint of conservatives on this issue so I invite you over to my thread. No pressure.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jun 6, 2018 19:26:29 GMT
I want to say that I am pretty much a libertarian in my views. There are things both conservative and liberal I've agreed with and disagreed with. Yesterday I posted a thread on the recreational marijuana proposal in Michigan. Republicans in our state have been trying to circumvent this for this election cycle and the last but it finally looks like it is going to be on the ballot. I would love to hear the viewpoint of conservatives on this issue so I invite you over to my thread. No pressure. I voted no when CA had this on the ballot. Unfortunately it passed. There are so many rules and regulations now that I don't know when it will actually take effect. I'm old school ~ never did drugs when I was young but certainly wasn't a teetotaler! I was sad to see in the news the other day about a guy who was driving while high on weed and killed several innocent people. I know my opinion isn't a common one these days but it's how I feel. And I don't believe the crap that it isn't a gateway drug. Too many guys in prison say otherwise. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 19:54:12 GMT
I want to say that I am pretty much a libertarian in my views. There are things both conservative and liberal I've agreed with and disagreed with. Yesterday I posted a thread on the recreational marijuana proposal in Michigan. Republicans in our state have been trying to circumvent this for this election cycle and the last but it finally looks like it is going to be on the ballot. I would love to hear the viewpoint of conservatives on this issue so I invite you over to my thread. No pressure. I voted no when CA had this on the ballot. Unfortunately it passed. There are so many rules and regulations now that I don't know when it will actually take effect. I'm old school ~ never did drugs when I was young but certainly wasn't a teetotaler! I was sad to see in the news the other day about a guy who was driving while high on weed and killed several innocent people. I know my opinion isn't a common one these days but it's how I feel. And I don't believe the crap that it isn't a gateway drug. Too many guys in prison say otherwise. I voted NO in california too. I pretty much see eye to eye with you on this. I DO think if it helps people suffering from Cancer, that they should be offered it. (but that is medical marijuana, not recreational marijuana). |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 6, 2018 20:04:24 GMT
I want to know the logic behind being alright with alcohol but not this.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 6, 2018 20:05:47 GMT
We have three pot shops in our town. They get robbed often and the robberies have escalated to armed robbery. It’s scary, but data and studies are usually years behind real time, so right now it’s just opinion and observation that crime has increased.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 6, 2018 20:11:06 GMT
jeremysgirl - Nice to see you here. I'm not sure how I would vote. I'm not anti-marijuana, however, specialized breeding has made this drug far more powerful than it was when I was a kid. So... I guess that I'm for labeling that requires its potency to be clearly stated, like it must show for alcohol, anywhere that it is legally sold. The same kind of intoxication for alcohol would also apply to marijuana. In general, I don't support laws that are commonly ignored and not prosecuted. Enforce them or change them.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 6, 2018 20:12:10 GMT
I want to know the logic behind being alright with alcohol but not this. Not gonna find your answer with me.  |
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jun 6, 2018 20:36:47 GMT
I can have a drink and not get drunk. Never known anyone to smoke a joint to not get high. I grew up around stoners. Not a group I like to spend my time with. Not a fan of drunks either.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 6, 2018 21:02:36 GMT
I can have a drink and not get drunk. Never known anyone to smoke a joint to not get high. I grew up around stoners. Not a group I like to spend my time with. Not a fan of drunks either. That's a very good point! Especially since the potency has increased so dramatically. You also don't get a buzz from standing near someone drinking a beer like you do standing near someone smoking a joint. |
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 6, 2018 21:10:21 GMT
We have three pot shops in our town. They get robbed often and the robberies have escalated to armed robbery. It’s scary, but data and studies are usually years behind real time, so right now it’s just opinion and observation that crime has increased. They are mostly a cash businesses which makes them huge targets for armed robberies.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 21:30:31 GMT
I want to know the logic behind being alright with alcohol but not this. I'm NOT alright with alcohol. My father, his father, and two uncles (on my mother's side) and an aunt were alcoholics. My aunt died of liver failure (I wonder why?) My father had a heart attack at age 43--probably caused by an accident he had after he'd been drinking when he was 39. (he got a huge cut on his arm, and a blood clot formed apparently, that went through his heart and it killed him). My other uncle fell of a stool (probably drunk) hit his head, and died in his basement. It was a few days before he was found. I'm not sure what happened to the other uncle, but he was a drunk also. I don't drink ever. Ever. ever. |
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Post by bazinga on Jun 6, 2018 21:42:50 GMT
I want to know the logic behind being alright with alcohol but not this. I'm NOT alright with alcohol. My father, his father, and two uncles (on my mother's side) and an aunt were alcoholics. My aunt died of liver failure (I wonder why?) My father had a heart attack at age 43--probably caused by an accident he had after he'd been drinking when he was 39. (he got a huge cut on his arm, and a blood clot formed apparently, that went through his heart and it killed him). My other uncle fell of a stool (probably drunk) hit his head, and died in his basement. It was a few days before he was found. I'm not sure what happened to the other uncle, but he was a drunk also. I don't drink ever. Ever. ever. I come from a long line of alcoholics. I would absolutely be ok with more alcohol restrictions. I believe that all DUIs should end in automatic jail time, and that the consequences for subsequent DUIs should be much, much harsher. I am against smoking anything (asthma), but do see value in medical marijuana. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 6, 2018 21:51:27 GMT
@donnie my ex husband is an alcoholic. He ruined our family because of his substance abuse. I drink. Responsibly. I probably have two glasses of wine 4-5 nights a week. I like one while I'm cooking and one while I'm eating. On Saturday nights I occasionally have a third glass.
I have seen firsthand the devastation that alcohol can cause. Yet, what I see from people is acceptance. I see people advocating for laws and penalties for those who cause alcohol related issues. I am on board with all of that.
I don't see why marijuana isn't treated the same. Rules and regulations, penalties for using irresponsibly. I don't see anyone advocating to outlaw alcohol. In fact, we tried it and it was a disaster. The war on drugs has also been a disaster. And I grew up as a child in the 80s with Nancy Reagan's curriculum against drugs. And then I was a teen and young adult in the 90s. And watched all those kids who were subject to anti drug teaching smoke marijuana. I still have a handful of friends that do. And they are all professional people. None of whom graduated to harder drugs.
If we are sharing anecdotal evidence, my experience doesn't lead me to believe that legalizing it is going to cause a host of problems except in minor cases.
But on principle, I agree with Ron Paul's opinion which you can read in his book Revolution. I can't say I believe in personal freedom and responsibility and then seek to control what others put in their bodies. I see so many things that are more destructive: cigarettes, alcohol, fast food, etc that I just can't see prohibiting one thing without prohibiting all of it. I see an inconsistency of argument.
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@donnie my ex husband is an alcoholic. He ruined our family because of his substance abuse. I drink. Responsibly. I probably have two glasses of wine 4-5 nights a week. I like one while I'm cooking and one while I'm eating. On Saturday nights I occasionally have a third glass. I have seen firsthand the devastation that alcohol can cause. Yet, what I see from people is acceptance. I see people advocating for laws and penalties for those who cause alcohol related issues. I am on board with all of that. I don't see why marijuana isn't treated the same. Rules and regulations, penalties for using irresponsibly. I don't see anyone advocating to outlaw alcohol. In fact, we tried it and it was a disaster. The war on drugs has also been a disaster. And I grew up as a child in the 80s with Nancy Reagan's curriculum against drugs. And then I was a teen and young adult in the 90s. And watched all those kids who were subject to anti drug teaching smoke marijuana. I still have a handful of friends that do. And they are all professional people. None of whom graduated to harder drugs. If we are sharing anecdotal evidence, my experience doesn't lead me to believe that legalizing it is going to cause a host of problems except in minor cases. But on principle, I agree with Ron Paul's opinion which you can read in his book Revolution. I can't say I believe in personal freedom and responsibility and then seek to control what others put in their bodies. I see so many things that are more destructive: cigarettes, alcohol, fast food, etc that I just can't see prohibiting one thing without prohibiting all of it. I see an inconsistency of argument. I didn't say, but my grandfather was a rum-runner during prohibition. I have some "good genes" to stay away from alcohol. My sister is addicted to perscription drugs-(I don't actually blame her, but the doctors that got her hooked.) We apparently have addictive personalities. I don't smoke--I feel like if I take the first one, I'm done for! I don't eat fast food, but I probably eat too much of everything else. I don't control anybody else. I take personal responsibility for myself, but other people don't. They drink and they drive, and cause havoc in other peoples lives, sometimes ending those lives. It all makes me sick. |
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