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Post by thundergal on Jul 18, 2018 16:25:26 GMT
I want to apologize for being so snippy in response to you @anmore You make fair points about voters being sheep.
I guess I like to think of a healthy majority of us who are engaged in politics, on both sides, as people who are paying attention to multiple issues. ALL of the issues, or at least as many as we have the time and energy to intellectually invest in. I don't feel like the right-wing peas here are one-issue voters unless they come right out and say that. And I don't feel that the liberals here are one-issue voters either. None of my friends are one-issue voters.
Could I equate one-issue voters with sheep...sure. But I just, perhaps naively so, feel that those of us on both sides who care enough to be having discussions are passionate about a pretty broad spectrum of issues and support the majority of the platform of the party with which we identify.
Just my take. I wanted to recognize your post about your experience in a meaningful way.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 18, 2018 16:28:12 GMT
missmiss, who has standing to sue? The wronged party is the fetus.
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Post by beebee on Jul 18, 2018 16:31:15 GMT
There are sheep on both sides. Many of those single issue voters that can't even look at the big picture. Just look at how abortion drives votes, on both sides. jeremygirl, I truly like you on the board and think you try to be a voice of reason, but I have to take issue with this statement. I think it shuts down conversation when people are called sheep because they vote for one issue. I am a conservative on many issues so this one issue voter is not me, but I will attempt to explain how some pro-life people feel. If you are a pro-lifer and you truly feel abortion is killing babies, why would it be wrong to vote on this issue alone??! People on this board like to compare Trump to Hitler, but lets talk about Hitler for a minute and take a fictional situation. He killed millions. If you had an opportunity to vote to throw Hitler out, wouldn't you vote exclusively for that issue alone? Pro-life people feel that babies are being killed every day. Why is it wrong for them to vote on this issue exclusively. Why does that make them sheep? On a completely different note, I thought that I would add that I am not happy with Trump's performance with Putin. I have to leave now so I won't be back to this thread for awhile. I am not going to debate. I already know I am going to be torn apart. I just wanted to try to present how pro-lifers might be thinking and it does not mean they are sheep. |
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Post by missmiss on Jul 18, 2018 16:33:09 GMT
missmiss , who has standing to sue? The wronged party is the fetus. Well my view is the fetus is not a person so can't sue. Now all it takes is one court case from a pro-life organization to make it to the Supreme Court. Then from there all bets are off. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 18, 2018 16:35:10 GMT
beebee, point taken. That wasn't the best analogy. And I really didn't state my case well. FTR I am prolife.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 18, 2018 16:35:50 GMT
missmiss , who has standing to sue? The wronged party is the fetus. Well my view is the fetus is not a person so can't sue. Me too. I'm just not sure how that would work. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 16:49:44 GMT
No apology necessary thundergal . There is not a pea here who can piss me off. I really don't care enough I guess. The ones I have blocked just "muddy up the waters" and interfere with adult conversation. <---Case in point. My quote is courtesy of a UK pea who I irritated. She called me an obnoxious little bint and I found that amusing and used it on my profile.  |
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Post by jenis40 on Jul 18, 2018 17:22:58 GMT
There are sheep on both sides. Many of those single issue voters that can't even look at the big picture. Just look at how abortion drives votes, on both sides. Yes, I believe that. Some people actually voted for Hillary and some actually voted for Trump. ugh on both. For the first time in my life, i AM a single issue voter - on healthcare. Since I now have a bitch of a pre-existing condition, I will NEVER vote for a Republican. Doesn’t mean I will always vote D, I will definitely look at 3rd party and independents. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 17:24:01 GMT
There are sheep on both sides. Many of those single issue voters that can't even look at the big picture. Just look at how abortion drives votes, on both sides. If you are a pro-lifer and you truly feel abortion is killing babies, why would it be wrong to vote on this issue alone??! I am a pro-lifer, and do believe that abortion is killing a baby. I've seen sonograms of babies in the womb. I've felt their movements. As an RN, I've seen VERY pre-term babies born--and lived. Yes, they are babies in my estimation. I would never vote for a person that was thought abortion was an ok procedure. But I'm also not a sheep. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 18, 2018 18:22:56 GMT
I think there is a difference between being a single issue voter and a "sheep". A "sheep" is someone who goes along with what others say...be it friends, family, their party, the news that they watch...without doing their own research or thinking about the situation aside from what that person/persons say about it. For some, it is because they are too intellectually lazy or inept to think on their own. It is easier to go along with what someone else says. Maybe what they are hearing validates their base instincts, so they go with it.
A single issue voter is someone who has decided that one issue is much more important to them than any other issue, for whatever reason. I personally feel that is very shortsighted, especially in the case of abortion, but YMMV.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 19:28:12 GMT
I think there is a difference between being a single issue voter and a "sheep". A "sheep" is someone who goes along with what others say...be it friends, family, their party, the news that they watch...without doing their own research or thinking about the situation aside from what that person/persons say about it. For some, it is because they are too intellectually lazy or inept to think on their own. It is easier to go along with what someone else says. Maybe what they are hearing validates their base instincts, so they go with it. A single issue voter is someone who has decided that one issue is much more important to them than any other issue, for whatever reason. I personally feel that is very shortsighted, especially in the case of abortion, but YMMV.  |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 18, 2018 19:31:42 GMT
For me personally I am pro life. If one of my children were to experience an unwanted pregnancy, I would hope and pray they would not have an abortion. I will keep my opinions to myself and be as supportive as I can if that is a choice they make. But I won't like it. LOL That said, I do not think it should be illegal. I do not want to go back to the days before Roe vs. Wade. It will not stop abortion. Honestly, I do not think that it will be overturned, even if Trump is able to pack the SC with conservative judges. I may be wrong about that, but I hope not. So, I guess for me, there are other more important issues to vote based on other than abortion. I hope that answers your question. I know, I'm a puzzle. LOL I honestly don't know where I fit politically in good times, and right now, I am even more confused. You are not a puzzle, you are honest. Thank you! |
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Post by jayfab on Jul 18, 2018 19:38:02 GMT
I think there is a difference between being a single issue voter and a "sheep". A "sheep" is someone who goes along with what others say...be it friends, family, their party, the news that they watch...without doing their own research or thinking about the situation aside from what that person/persons say about it. For some, it is because they are too intellectually lazy or inept to think on their own. It is easier to go along with what someone else says. Maybe what they are hearing validates their base instincts, so they go with it. A single issue voter is someone who has decided that one issue is much more important to them than any other issue, for whatever reason. I personally feel that is very shortsighted, especially in the case of abortion, but YMMV. ditto |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 18, 2018 20:35:09 GMT
If you are a pro-lifer and you truly feel abortion is killing babies, why would it be wrong to vote on this issue alone??! People on this board like to compare Trump to Hitler, but lets talk about Hitler for a minute and take a fictional situation. He killed millions. If you had an opportunity to vote to throw Hitler out, wouldn't you vote exclusively for that issue alone? Pro-life people feel that babies are being killed every day. Why is it wrong for them to vote on this issue exclusively It is ok to be pro-life. It is ok to be pro-choice, that does not mean all those are pro abortion. It means people can make personal choices for their particular situation. For those who are pro-life, why is it so important to eliminate all the protective social programs to assist the health and welfare while attempting to raise children to become healthy adults. Kentucky has just cut vision and dental for Medicaid recipients. Children cannot learn if they cannot see the boards in school or to read. Children cannot thrive if they are hungry and/or not feeling well. That than brings in health care.... Another quick comment, there are some senior citizen who have just moved into a new complex, where I am now too. Fortunately I don't have the problem, but there are several who cannot afford the cost of 'cable' telephones. We have been denied regular telephone lines, they will not allow the installation of new phone lines, no holes in the walls. I think there is a difference between being a single issue voter and a "sheep". A "sheep" is someone who goes along with what others say...be it friends, family, their party, the news that they watch...without doing their own research or thinking about the situation aside from what that person/persons say about it. For some, it is because they are too intellectually lazy or inept to think on their own. It is easier to go along with what someone else says. Maybe what they are hearing validates their base instincts, so they go with it. And there are those who vote the straight party line just because it is the party they want, without knowing anything more about the candidates, just the party. |
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Post by mimima on Jul 18, 2018 23:13:04 GMT
missmiss, who has standing to sue? The wronged party is the fetus. In Roe vs Wade, it was a woman denied an abortion. |
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Post by mom26 on Jul 18, 2018 23:19:25 GMT
I am pro-choice, with a strong lean towards pro-life. I DO believe that abortion kills a human life, whatever state of potentiality it may be in.
I also know there are many, many reasons that access to safe abortions are necessary, and I do not want that right taken away.
However, it disturbs me beyond anything when I see pro-abortionists CHEER in huge groups for abortions, like it's a wonderful thing. React with absolute GLEE when they win a battle for late-term abortions (do you KNOW what they do to those to babies in late-term abortions? It is barbaric and to hear people cheer for that sickens me. I cannot lie.)
So, those are my feelings on that matter. Make of it what you will.
With that said, I am for personal responsibility, our nation's security and freedom from an over-reaching government. Whether a D, R, I, L or whatever follows your name, if you are for that, I'm on board.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 18, 2018 23:28:48 GMT
missmiss, who has standing to sue? The wronged party is the fetus. In Roe vs Wade, it was a woman denied an abortion. Yes but challenging the absolute legality of abortion is going to be tough because I don't see how a fetus has standing to sue. And no one is forced to get one. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 18, 2018 23:28:57 GMT
However, it disturbs me beyond anything when I see pro-abortionists CHEER in huge groups for abortions, like it's a wonderful thing. React with absolute GLEE when they win a battle for late-term abortions (do you KNOW what they do those to babies in late-term abortions? It is barbaric and to hear people cheer for that sickens me. I cannot lie.) not sure what those protesters are *actually* cheering for (and I'm guessing neither are YOU, unless they said 'yay, killing babies' and you heard them...) but if I was in that group of people, I would be cheering for the CHOICE to control decisions that affect MY BODY-- in conjunction with my doctor, not cheering the idea of aborted fetuses. (and FTR, I personally do NOT believe life begins at conception or that a fetus is a person.) |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 18, 2018 23:32:15 GMT
My frustration with the abortion debate is really simple. If you're against abortion, put time and money on preventing unwanted pregnancies. I'm a fiscal conservative - which is why I am 100% in favor of government resources going to long-acting, reversible contraceptive (LARC). If a woman needs helping paying for it, I will gladly see my tax dollars go to helping her prevent an unwanted pregnancy. As a fiscal conservative, it's a no-brainer. The money saved in helping a woman who cannot afford birth control not have a baby is orders of magnitude higher than the cost of LARC. Will it reduce abortions to zero? No but neither would reversing Roe v Wade. Even if Roe v Wade was overturned, several states already have abortion rights in their state constitutions and I have no doubt more would add them if the matter was returned to the states. It will become an access issue - which frankly it already is becoming with many areas being incredibly difficult to obtain an abortion WITH Roe v Wade.
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Post by mimima on Jul 18, 2018 23:36:16 GMT
In Roe vs Wade, it was a woman denied an abortion. Yes but challenging the absolute legality of abortion is going to be tough because I don't see how a fetus has standing to sue. And no one is forced to get one. I think the absolute legality question will still come from a woman who faced a restriction keeping her from an abortion. Alternatively, it could be a wrongful death from the father. |
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Post by pinklady on Jul 18, 2018 23:50:53 GMT
I am pro-choice, with a strong lean towards pro-life. I DO believe that abortion kills a human life, whatever state of potentiality it may be in. I also know there are many, many reasons that access to safe abortions are necessary, and I do not want that right taken away. However, it disturbs me beyond anything when I see pro-abortionists CHEER in huge groups for abortions, like it's a wonderful thing. React with absolute GLEE when they win a battle for late-term abortions (do you KNOW what they do to those to babies in late-term abortions? It is barbaric and to hear people cheer for that sickens me. I cannot lie.) So, those are my feelings on that matter. Make of it what you will. With that said, I am for personal responsibility, our nation's security and freedom from an over-reaching government. Whether a D, R, I, L or whatever follows your name, if you are for that, I'm on board. Labeling people as “pro-abortionists” is just conservative hyperbolic rhetoric. Being pro-choice IS NOT equal to “pro-abortionist”. Edited because I decided not to be that bitchy. |
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Post by mom26 on Jul 18, 2018 23:57:54 GMT
However, it disturbs me beyond anything when I see pro-abortionists CHEER in huge groups for abortions, like it's a wonderful thing. React with absolute GLEE when they win a battle for late-term abortions (do you KNOW what they do those to babies in late-term abortions? It is barbaric and to hear people cheer for that sickens me. I cannot lie.) not sure what those protesters are *actually* cheering for (and I'm guessing neither are YOU, unless they said 'yay, killing babies' and you heard them...) but if I was in that group of people, I would be cheering for the CHOICE to control decisions that affect MY BODY-- in conjunction with my doctor, not cheering the idea of aborted fetuses. ( and FTR, I personally do NOT believe life begins at conception or that a fetus is a person.) The bolded is where we differ, so I get that you don't understand how those leaning pro-life feel. We will never agree on that, and that is how it will always be. All I do know is that I DID have an abortion many, many years ago. It was an excruciating decision and haunts me to this day. It will follow me to my grave and beyond. So, while i recognize and accept the need for legal abortion, I do not celebrate it and never will. It is a necessary sadness. To witness people expressing happiness about it is a vibe to which I cannot relate. When it comes to partial birth abortions, I will never, never, EVER be okay with that and I did watch many huge crowds cheer when a proposed ban failed years ago. The high-fives and fist pumps were repulsive. As they should be to anyone who doesn't want a pair of scissors shoved into the brain of an 8-month gestated fetus before the rest of his/her body exits the mother's body. With this, I am done with the topic. I've overshared and may regret it. I also have my grandsons with me tonight while their baby sister undergoes a medical procedure tomorrow morning so I do have better things to do. Have a great night, everyone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 0:13:49 GMT
not sure what those protesters are *actually* cheering for (and I'm guessing neither are YOU, unless they said 'yay, killing babies' and you heard them...) but if I was in that group of people, I would be cheering for the CHOICE to control decisions that affect MY BODY-- in conjunction with my doctor, not cheering the idea of aborted fetuses. ( and FTR, I personally do NOT believe life begins at conception or that a fetus is a person.) The bolded is where we differ, so I get that you don't understand how those leaning pro-life feel. We will never agree on that, and that is how it will always be. All I do know is that I DID have an abortion many, many years ago. It was an excruciating decision and haunts me to this day. It will follow me to my grave and beyond. So, while i recognize and accept the need for legal abortion, I do not celebrate it and never will. It is a necessary sadness. To witness people expressing happiness about it is a vibe to which I cannot relate. When it comes to partial birth abortions, I will never, never, EVER be okay with that and I did watch many huge crowds cheer when a proposed ban failed years ago. The high-fives and fist pumps were repulsive. As they should be to anyone who doesn't want a pair of scissors shoved into the brain of an 8-month gestated fetus before the rest of his/her body exits the mother's body. With this, I am done with the topic. I've overshared and may regret it. I also have my grandsons with me tonight while their baby sister undergoes a medical procedure tomorrow morning so I do have better things to do. Have a great night, everyone. Even though I am pro-life, I CAN understand why some people would HAVE to have one. I had to counsel one of my own daughters once. She was carrying triplets, and the sonogram showed that one of them had died, and the other two were conjoined. She was counseled by her doctor to get a D&C. Even though I'm pro-life, I told her whatever decision she made, that she was always my daughter, and that I'd always love her, no matter what she decided. It was up to her and I supported her decision for a D&C. As it was, before the day she was supposed to have the D&C, all three babies had died. It made it much easier for her to handle. Another daughter had a tubal pregnancy--and almost lost her life before they figured out what was going on. SHE considered that an abortion, which it wasn't in MY head, because the baby was in the tube where it couldn't grow. But she had guilt about that for several years anyhow. So, yes, there is a place for abortions. (IMO) That doesn't change my pro-life stand, but I guess I'm a compationate pro-lifer. |
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Post by andreasmom on Jul 19, 2018 0:28:49 GMT
The bolded is where we differ, so I get that you don't understand how those leaning pro-life feel. We will never agree on that, and that is how it will always be. All I do know is that I DID have an abortion many, many years ago. It was an excruciating decision and haunts me to this day. It will follow me to my grave and beyond. So, while i recognize and accept the need for legal abortion, I do not celebrate it and never will. It is a necessary sadness. To witness people expressing happiness about it is a vibe to which I cannot relate. When it comes to partial birth abortions, I will never, never, EVER be okay with that and I did watch many huge crowds cheer when a proposed ban failed years ago. The high-fives and fist pumps were repulsive. As they should be to anyone who doesn't want a pair of scissors shoved into the brain of an 8-month gestated fetus before the rest of his/her body exits the mother's body. With this, I am done with the topic. I've overshared and may regret it. I also have my grandsons with me tonight while their baby sister undergoes a medical procedure tomorrow morning so I do have better things to do. Have a great night, everyone. Even though I am pro-life, I CAN understand why some people would HAVE to have one. I had to counsel one of my own daughters once. She was carrying triplets, and the sonogram showed that one of them had died, and the other two were conjoined. She was counseled by her doctor to get a D&C. Even though I'm pro-life, I told her whatever decision she made, that she was always my daughter, and that I'd always love her, no matter what she decided. It was up to her and I supported her decision for a D&C. As it was, before the day she was supposed to have the D&C, all three babies had died. It made it much easier for her to handle. Another daughter had a tubal pregnancy--and almost lost her life before they figured out what was going on. SHE considered that an abortion, which it wasn't in MY head, because the baby was in the tube where it couldn't grow. But she had guilt about that for several years anyhow. So, yes, there is a place for abortions. (IMO) That doesn't change my pro-life stand, but I guess I'm a compationate pro-lifer. I am right there with you. |
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Post by inkedup on Jul 19, 2018 0:43:34 GMT
The bolded is where we differ, so I get that you don't understand how those leaning pro-life feel. We will never agree on that, and that is how it will always be. All I do know is that I DID have an abortion many, many years ago. It was an excruciating decision and haunts me to this day. It will follow me to my grave and beyond. So, while i recognize and accept the need for legal abortion, I do not celebrate it and never will. It is a necessary sadness. To witness people expressing happiness about it is a vibe to which I cannot relate. When it comes to partial birth abortions, I will never, never, EVER be okay with that and I did watch many huge crowds cheer when a proposed ban failed years ago. The high-fives and fist pumps were repulsive. As they should be to anyone who doesn't want a pair of scissors shoved into the brain of an 8-month gestated fetus before the rest of his/her body exits the mother's body. With this, I am done with the topic. I've overshared and may regret it. I also have my grandsons with me tonight while their baby sister undergoes a medical procedure tomorrow morning so I do have better things to do. Have a great night, everyone. Even though I am pro-life, I CAN understand why some people would HAVE to have one. I had to counsel one of my own daughters once. She was carrying triplets, and the sonogram showed that one of them had died, and the other two were conjoined. She was counseled by her doctor to get a D&C. Even though I'm pro-life, I told her whatever decision she made, that she was always my daughter, and that I'd always love her, no matter what she decided. It was up to her and I supported her decision for a D&C. As it was, before the day she was supposed to have the D&C, all three babies had died. It made it much easier for her to handle. Another daughter had a tubal pregnancy--and almost lost her life before they figured out what was going on. SHE considered that an abortion, which it wasn't in MY head, because the baby was in the tube where it couldn't grow. But she had guilt about that for several years anyhow. So, yes, there is a place for abortions. (IMO) That doesn't change my pro-life stand, but I guess I'm a compationate pro-lifer. Thank you for sharing your daughters' stories. I'm sorry for what you all went through, but they were lucky to have a compassionate, non-judgmental mother to help them through. I can also appreciate your political stance. |
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Post by dewryce on Jul 19, 2018 0:52:51 GMT
My frustration with the abortion debate is really simple. If you're against abortion, put time and money on preventing unwanted pregnancies. I'm a fiscal conservative - which is why I am 100% in favor of government resources going to long-acting, reversible contraceptive (LARC). If a woman needs helping paying for it, I will gladly see my tax dollars go to helping her prevent an unwanted pregnancy. As a fiscal conservative, it's a no-brainer. The money saved in helping a woman who cannot afford birth control not have a baby is orders of magnitude higher than the cost of LARC. Will it reduce abortions to zero? No but neither would reversing Roe v Wade. Even if Roe v Wade was overturned, several states already have abortion rights in their state constitutions and I have no doubt more would add them if the matter was returned to the states. It will become an access issue - which frankly it already is becoming with many areas being incredibly difficult to obtain an abortion WITH Roe v Wade. This is my issue with the GOP and abortion. It seems to me that if you really wanted less abortions you'd be proponents of accessible and affordable birth control, and all for sex education. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 0:56:27 GMT
Thank you, ladies. I know there are hundreds of stories out there.
I also have some others that have a better outcome. My son and one of my daughters have adopted children from women that knew they couldn't raise their babies--and couldn't force themselves to get an abortion. These children are wonderful little people--ranging in age of 1.5 to 14 years old.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 1:00:35 GMT
My frustration with the abortion debate is really simple. If you're against abortion, put time and money on preventing unwanted pregnancies. I'm a fiscal conservative - which is why I am 100% in favor of government resources going to long-acting, reversible contraceptive (LARC). If a woman needs helping paying for it, I will gladly see my tax dollars go to helping her prevent an unwanted pregnancy. As a fiscal conservative, it's a no-brainer. The money saved in helping a woman who cannot afford birth control not have a baby is orders of magnitude higher than the cost of LARC. Will it reduce abortions to zero? No but neither would reversing Roe v Wade. Even if Roe v Wade was overturned, several states already have abortion rights in their state constitutions and I have no doubt more would add them if the matter was returned to the states. It will become an access issue - which frankly it already is becoming with many areas being incredibly difficult to obtain an abortion WITH Roe v Wade. This is my issue with the GOP and abortion. It seems to me that if you really wanted less abortions you'd be proponents of accessible and affordable birth control, and all for sex education. I'm TOTALLY in favor of accessible and affordable birth control. I'm a registered Republican, (even though I don't always vote Republican) so not sure why you'd think the gop is against that. They are NOT in favor of paying for abortions since a lot of us are against abortion because of our religious convictions (No, I'm not catholic). |
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Post by katybee on Jul 19, 2018 1:05:31 GMT
This is my issue with the GOP and abortion. It seems to me that if you really wanted less abortions you'd be proponents of accessible and affordable birth control, and all for sex education. I'm TOTALLY in favor of accessible and affordable birth control. I'm a registered Republican, (even though I don't always vote Republican) so not sure why you'd think the gop is against that. They are NOT in favor of paying for abortions since a lot of us are against abortion because of our religious convictions (No, I'm not catholic). Around here, that’s just not the case. I live in an abstinence only state that is also as anti-abortion as you can possibly get under Roe v Wade. We also have cut social services for children down to the bare bones. So you can understand that it feels like the ultra right-wing politicians around here care more about unborn children than they do about living ones. |
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Post by rodeomom on Jul 19, 2018 1:56:16 GMT
The bolded is where we differ, so I get that you don't understand how those leaning pro-life feel. We will never agree on that, and that is how it will always be. All I do know is that I DID have an abortion many, many years ago. It was an excruciating decision and haunts me to this day. It will follow me to my grave and beyond. So, while i recognize and accept the need for legal abortion, I do not celebrate it and never will. It is a necessary sadness. To witness people expressing happiness about it is a vibe to which I cannot relate. When it comes to partial birth abortions, I will never, never, EVER be okay with that and I did watch many huge crowds cheer when a proposed ban failed years ago. The high-fives and fist pumps were repulsive. As they should be to anyone who doesn't want a pair of scissors shoved into the brain of an 8-month gestated fetus before the rest of his/her body exits the mother's body. With this, I am done with the topic. I've overshared and may regret it. I also have my grandsons with me tonight while their baby sister undergoes a medical procedure tomorrow morning so I do have better things to do. Have a great night, everyone. Even though I am pro-life, I CAN understand why some people would HAVE to have one. I had to counsel one of my own daughters once. She was carrying triplets, and the sonogram showed that one of them had died, and the other two were conjoined. She was counseled by her doctor to get a D&C. Even though I'm pro-life, I told her whatever decision she made, that she was always my daughter, and that I'd always love her, no matter what she decided. It was up to her and I supported her decision for a D&C. As it was, before the day she was supposed to have the D&C, all three babies had died. It made it much easier for her to handle. Another daughter had a tubal pregnancy--and almost lost her life before they figured out what was going on. SHE considered that an abortion, which it wasn't in MY head, because the baby was in the tube where it couldn't grow. But she had guilt about that for several years anyhow. So, yes, there is a place for abortions. (IMO) That doesn't change my pro-life stand, but I guess I'm a compationate pro-lifer. @donnie I think this is the very definition of pro-choice. You don't like abortion but your were there for and supported your daughters choice to have one. That should be a decision between her and her DR. Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. We just want everyone to have the right to decide what is best for them. One of the reasons I am pro-choice. In Oklahoma, 1929 during the depression (think “Grapes of wrath” ) my great Aunt Eva was 28 years old. She had 5 kids, including twin boys who had been born the year before. She was suffering from the baby blues (what we know now is postpartum depression). Her husband was doing the best he could to feed and care for them but he was sick and there was no work. They were not doing well and often went without food. Eva became pregnant again. She could not imagine another child to feed. So she did what she thought was best for her 5 children. She went to her mother’s house where she died a few days later. About a year later her husband died. The 5 children were split up and taken in by family members. The newspaper reported she died of a spider bit, but her family knew she had a back alley abortion. Another reason, my cousin and his wife were pregnant with their much wanted baby. The baby had anencephaly (I think that’s what it was) and after much consideration they with their Dr. decided to have an abortion. But they lived in Oklahoma. They could not get one here. So they had to fly to another state. I'm against abortion. I wish there was no need for one. But I will always be pro-choice. |
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