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Post by delilahtwo on Jun 8, 2018 17:05:59 GMT
And we wouldn't be able to export dairy to the US because your dairy industry is huge and vastly subsidized by the taxpayer. You can't overlook that you use a quota system to severely limit supply creating an artificial, high priced market - well you can - but it's truly just one side of the story. I guarantee you if you took away quotas, your prices would drop. yes. Actually what would happen is we would import American milk and all of our dairy farms would go out of business. I don't mind paying higher prices and keeping our farmers in business. Don't like the idea of having all of our dairy outsourced. Mind you, I've heard that Kerrygold butter is delicious and we can't get it in Canada. (saw a taste test of 10 different high end butters). |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 8, 2018 17:09:20 GMT
You can't overlook that you use a quota system to severely limit supply creating an artificial, high priced market - well you can - but it's truly just one side of the story. I guarantee you if you took away quotas, your prices would drop. yes. Actually what would happen is we would import American milk and all of our dairy farms would go out of business. I don't mind paying higher prices and keeping our farmers in business. Don't like the idea of having all of our dairy outsourced. Mind you, I've heard that Kerrygold butter is delicious and we can't get it in Canada. (saw a taste test of 10 different high end butters). I understand that decision. I'll say that while I'm free trade in general, I do realize there are times when a country decides to protect a particular internal industry - I simply wish other countries would understand if the US decides at times to do the same. |
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Post by snowsilver on Jun 8, 2018 17:09:41 GMT
I am not a liberal. I recommended in a post on this thread Ron Paul's book, Revolution. I can't imagine the liberals on this board stating that they agree with his thoughts.  But I am not a Trump supporter. I voiced my concerns about him representing us in talks with North Korea. Then the posts followed about posting about conservative topics without talking about Trump (Scrubologist) and not posting if you're not a Trump supporter (notLauren). I make it my mission not to be rude. But you guys have got to decide just what you want from this thread. There are too many mixed messages. And there are a lot of people, like me; people who you used to be able to count on voting Republican who are now feeling very excluded from politics. And if you don't care to participate in my threads or answer my questions, that's up to you. I don't care either way. I didn't put anyone down on this thread. And I tried to discuss it as gently as I could because the fact is, I didn't even want to discuss here due to the fact that this thread tries to have a protective vibe. Jeremysgirl, I think you will not get anything but mixed messages. There really isn't any way to avoid that as there are as many opinions as there are people. Some--like me--welcome any and ALL discussion as long as it is respectful and as long as there is the ability to see that Trump is not Satan and perhaps--just perhaps--he is doing some decent things. But if you (general you) only come here to rip him to shreds and suggest that anyone who doesn't consider him the Devil Incarnate is homophobic, racist, etc. etc., then I really don't see any reasoned discussion happening. I, personally, am not a fan of Trump. I did not vote for him. I am willing to discuss his blunders and lack of social graces--but I am also willing to give credit where credit is due. That's where **I** stand. But there are others here who are so weary of the name-calling and ugliness that conservatives have faced ever since the election that they just want a thread to themselves. Where they can discuss without liberals coming in all aghast holding their hands over their hearts feigning heart attacks at the very notion that some actually think the administration is doing some good things. Does this make sense? I hope so. But at least for me, I'm glad to have you here and any number of actual LIBERALS who are willing to discuss fairly. And that doesn't mean they have to agree. Just be willing to see another person's viewpoint without calling them racist, etc. The current discussion on tariffs is a good example. I'm already learning something. I LIKE having this sort of discussion. |
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jun 8, 2018 17:38:47 GMT
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Post by lindas on Jun 8, 2018 18:08:59 GMT
Heartbreaking news. I always felt he was very balanced in his commentary on issues. |
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 8, 2018 18:49:32 GMT
Oh no. How tragic. He was always a voice of knowledge and reason. I'll miss him.
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 8, 2018 18:50:53 GMT
You can't overlook that you use a quota system to severely limit supply creating an artificial, high priced market - well you can - but it's truly just one side of the story. I guarantee you if you took away quotas, your prices would drop. yes. Actually what would happen is we would import American milk and all of our dairy farms would go out of business. I don't mind paying higher prices and keeping our farmers in business. Don't like the idea of having all of our dairy outsourced. Mind you, I've heard that Kerrygold butter is delicious and we can't get it in Canada. (saw a taste test of 10 different high end butters). But isn't this what Trump is doing to protect American steelworkers? So why the outrage from Canada? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 20:14:36 GMT
But that's just it; you ARE stirring the pot. This thread is clearly not for someone who is "not a Trump supporter" I'm not a Trump supporter, but do like to hear good things that are taking place in our country under his administration--the increase in the job rate for instance, less number of people on welfare or other assistance, and stuff like that.
I feel quite fine posting on this thread because I'm a conservative, and can appreciate that even a person that may not be of the best character, can still accomplish some good things in our government. I like his wife. I feel sorry for his boy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 20:19:11 GMT
I may be in the minority here, but I absolutely do not mind liberals coming here to discuss. Jeremysgirl, please don't leave (at least on my part). There ARE liberals who are perfectly willing to have a discussion without baiting or having to refer to Trump as the Spawn of Satan. In my opinion, we'll never solve anything if we can't discuss issues.
Where the problem arises is when they come here simply to inform us they hate every molecule of Trump's body. We KNOW that! It is very, very clear on all the other threads. That simply isn't helpful in any scenario. Might make them feel superior or something, but it solves nothing. I agree, that I as a conservative, want a respectful kind of thread where we can discuss issues dear to us without being bashed. But if a liberal comes here and takes part in the discussion without a "oh you are so wrong" attitude, then I warmly welcome them. I feel bad when I see us suggesting that NONE of them are welcome. That's not my own feeling. Come on in, I say. But could we leave the discussion of Trump's appearance outside the door (I have no interest in whether or not his hands are tiny or not, etc.). Can't we just discuss the pros and cons of issues and actually LISTEN to each other. Sigh. Probably hoping for Nirvana here. Probably can't happen.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 8, 2018 20:47:39 GMT
But that's just it; you ARE stirring the pot. This thread is clearly not for someone who is "not a Trump supporter" I'll see myself out. It's really no different here than in real life. I really don't belong anywhere. And just to let you know, I posted on this thread the other day inviting conservatives to my thread. None of them wanted to post on an open thread. So I apologize for bringing my topic over here. Well damn, jeremysgirl . I didn't post on that thread because I responded to you here on this thread. It was not meant as a slight to you. I just don't have the energy for a huge pot discussion right now.  I can speak only for myself. So, here's my view of Scrub's threads. I had a really rough year last year. I've had way too much stress to have to constantly hear about Trump-hate. There are so very many other places all y'all have to vent your angst, yet you are completely unwilling to let me have this one thread to come to as news breaks. You may have convinced yourselves that you are compassionate, but continuing on to insert your opinions of everything anti-Trump here is selfish. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 8, 2018 20:54:57 GMT
Probably hoping for Nirvana here. Probably can't happen. Your wish is my command... |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 8, 2018 20:57:36 GMT
leftturnonly. I just feel like talking frankly on any of these threads is like stirring the pot. I hate it. I hate the whole vibe of all of them. I don't know what to say where. I feel like no one really wants to talk anymore. I'm sorry. I like you. I like 98% of the peas and i want to keep it that way. I just am bowing out. I meant no one any harm. I honestly apologize to anyone who I may have offended or made uncomfortable.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 8, 2018 21:11:37 GMT
leftturnonly . I just feel like talking frankly on any of these threads is like stirring the pot. I hate it. I hate the whole vibe of all of them. I don't know what to say where. I feel like no one really wants to talk anymore. I'm sorry. I like you. I like 98% of the peas and i want to keep it that way. I just am bowing out. I meant no one any harm. I honestly apologize to anyone who I may have offended or made uncomfortable. I just want to give you a hug and then we can go out to grab a cup of coffee, or maybe an ice cream. The only thing to remember is that at least one of us (raising my hand here) needs a thread to be able to come to that is not Trump-bashing. For me, its' an anxiety issue right now. I don't need more "The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" in my life. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 8, 2018 21:18:25 GMT
I've missed him. I had no idea he's had cancer to deal with on top of everything else. I don't want him to suffer more. There are so few calm, level-headed talking heads. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 8, 2018 21:25:05 GMT
I don't think there are too many people here that are really pro-Trump, I think most just tolerate him and hope he does more good than bad (which is how I feel about all politicians). I don't understand why some posters are posting here to complain about this thread. If you don't like it, don't read it. Amen and Amen |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 8, 2018 21:39:45 GMT
leftturnonly . I just feel like talking frankly on any of these threads is like stirring the pot. I hate it. I hate the whole vibe of all of them. I don't know what to say where. I feel like no one really wants to talk anymore. I'm sorry. I like you. I like 98% of the peas and i want to keep it that way. I just am bowing out. I meant no one any harm. I honestly apologize to anyone who I may have offended or made uncomfortable. I just want to give you a hug and then we can go out to grab a cup of coffee, or maybe an ice cream. The only thing to remember is that at least one of us (raising my hand here) needs a thread to be able to come to that is not Trump-bashing. For me, its' an anxiety issue right now. I don't need more "The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" in my life. Well if you ever come to Michigan, I've got a cup of coffee for you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 22:27:25 GMT
jeremysgirl I'm sorry you feel that way about this thread, but I understand if you'll feel better bowing out, or just reading for awhile. Please know that you are welcome, and you've always been a relatively calm, rational voice on any topic. I was going to address all other posts about me or what I said in my last post, but then I decided that that's exactly what I don't want this thread to be -- a constant back and forth about ourselves personally and the dissection of every single sentence. The only thing I will correct is that I never said no one here could talk about Trump. Thank you to those who understood and set that straight. And the US/Canada dairy tariff discussion is not only a very informative one, but also the perfect example of how it is quite possible to discuss a current events topic without it being dominated by Trump. Thanks to those who have shared info -- I'm learning a lot!
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Post by PeachStatePea on Jun 8, 2018 22:43:02 GMT
I'm devastated to hear about Charles Krauthammer. He was an intelligent commentator who will be missed, just like I still miss Tim Russert.
With the news about Charles on top of Anthony Bourdain and Kate Spade, it's just too much.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 8, 2018 22:46:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 23:12:53 GMT
I am not a liberal. I recommended in a post on this thread Ron Paul's book, Revolution. I can't imagine the liberals on this board stating that they agree with his thoughts. But I am not a Trump supporter. I voiced my concerns about him representing us in talks with North Korea. Then the posts followed about posting about conservative topics without talking about Trump (Scrubologist) and not posting if you're not a Trump supporter (notLauren). I make it my mission not to be rude. But you guys have got to decide just what you want from this thread. There are too many mixed messages. And there are a lot of people, like me; people who you used to be able to count on voting Republican who are now feeling very excluded from politics. And if you don't care to participate in my threads or answer my questions, that's up to you. I don't care either way. I didn't put anyone down on this thread. And I tried to discuss it as gently as I could because the fact is, I didn't even want to discuss here due to the fact that this thread tries to have a protective vibe. Jeremysgirl, I think you will not get anything but mixed messages. There really isn't any way to avoid that as there are as many opinions as there are people. Some--like me--welcome any and ALL discussion as long as it is respectful and as long as there is the ability to see that Trump is not Satan and perhaps--just perhaps--he is doing some decent things. But if you (general you) only come here to rip him to shreds and suggest that anyone who doesn't consider him the Devil Incarnate is homophobic, racist, etc. etc., then I really don't see any reasoned discussion happening. I, personally, am not a fan of Trump. I did not vote for him. I am willing to discuss his blunders and lack of social graces--but I am also willing to give credit where credit is due. That's where **I** stand. But there are others here who are so weary of the name-calling and ugliness that conservatives have faced ever since the election that they just want a thread to themselves. Where they can discuss without liberals coming in all aghast holding their hands over their hearts feigning heart attacks at the very notion that some actually think the administration is doing some good things. Does this make sense? I hope so. But at least for me, I'm glad to have you here and any number of actual LIBERALS who are willing to discuss fairly. And that doesn't mean they have to agree. Just be willing to see another person's viewpoint without calling them racist, etc. The current discussion on tariffs is a good example. I'm already learning something. I LIKE having this sort of discussion. Here is a serious question with no sarcasm. What good things has Trump done for this country since he has become president? I agree it was a good thing that he gave the pardon to the woman with way too long of a sentence. But what else has he done? What are you seeing that most liberals aren’t seeing? What are we missing? |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 9, 2018 0:01:31 GMT
on top of Anthony Bourdain I hadn't heard.  Here is a serious question with no sarcasm. What good things has Trump done for this country since he has become president? I agree it was a good thing that he gave the pardon to the woman with way too long of a sentence. But what else has he done? What are you seeing that most liberals aren’t seeing? What are we missing? I appreciate that you have made great efforts to keep a civil tone. But.... always a but, right? I think you're tone deaf. You agree with the style and substance of Rachel Maddow's show. In your eyes, Hillary accepted responsibility for what is for the rest of us felonious behavior and Trump is guilty of unproveable collusion with Russia, worthy of being thrown out of office because somehow he defied Obama's proclamation that it was not possible to influence a national election on that scale. Whatever will be said in answer to your post will not fit within your parameters, so there will be more questions and more demands for justification. Wash and repeat. Wash and repeat. Wash and repeat. Just another day at the pod. Just another day behaving the same way you did the day before. Thanks, but no thanks. |
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Post by snowsilver on Jun 9, 2018 0:26:13 GMT
Jeremysgirl, I think you will not get anything but mixed messages. There really isn't any way to avoid that as there are as many opinions as there are people. Some--like me--welcome any and ALL discussion as long as it is respectful and as long as there is the ability to see that Trump is not Satan and perhaps--just perhaps--he is doing some decent things. But if you (general you) only come here to rip him to shreds and suggest that anyone who doesn't consider him the Devil Incarnate is homophobic, racist, etc. etc., then I really don't see any reasoned discussion happening. I, personally, am not a fan of Trump. I did not vote for him. I am willing to discuss his blunders and lack of social graces--but I am also willing to give credit where credit is due. That's where **I** stand. But there are others here who are so weary of the name-calling and ugliness that conservatives have faced ever since the election that they just want a thread to themselves. Where they can discuss without liberals coming in all aghast holding their hands over their hearts feigning heart attacks at the very notion that some actually think the administration is doing some good things. Does this make sense? I hope so. But at least for me, I'm glad to have you here and any number of actual LIBERALS who are willing to discuss fairly. And that doesn't mean they have to agree. Just be willing to see another person's viewpoint without calling them racist, etc. The current discussion on tariffs is a good example. I'm already learning something. I LIKE having this sort of discussion. Here is a serious question with no sarcasm. What good things has Trump done for this country since he has become president? I agree it was a good thing that he gave the pardon to the woman with way too long of a sentence. But what else has he done? What are you seeing that most liberals aren’t seeing? What are we missing? I'll try Fred. I know this goes without saying as you are an intelligent woman....but what *I* as a conservative consider an accomplishment may not be seen that way by you, as a liberal. But nevertheless, in my own mind, he's done some pretty good stuff: 1. Neil Gorsuch. That alone almost makes it bearable to have him as president for me. 2. Best economy in a long time 3. ISIS pretty much destroyed (and he worked with Allies to get this done) 4. To date, 17 Americans whom had been held overseas, have been released. Including three from North Korea. I consider that almost a miracle. 5. The strikes against Syria after they used chemical weapons once again 6. Tax cuts that benefit most Americans--NOT just the rich. 7. Confirmation of the most circuit court judges of any President ever in his first term 8. Authorized an additional 2.1 billion to the VA to take care of our veterans (which I personally think should come before ANY illegal immigrant) 9. Best jobs picture in years...nearly 3 millions jobs created since he took office including thousands in construction and manufacturing 10. Withdrawal from TPP 11. The closest we have come in more than 50 years to an actual possibility of a relationship with NK These are just a FEW of the things I am delighted to see. I'm happier than I can say to see us rebuilding our relationship with Israel |
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Post by Belia on Jun 9, 2018 3:24:24 GMT
Here is a serious question with no sarcasm. What good things has Trump done for this country since he has become president? I agree it was a good thing that he gave the pardon to the woman with way too long of a sentence. But what else has he done? What are you seeing that most liberals aren’t seeing? What are we missing? I am as liberal as they come and I am glad that there is some movement in diplomatic negotiations with North Korea. I would be lying if I said that I was happy that DT was the one representing us, or trusted his ability to do this job well, but I'm glad the talks are happening and there is no denying that he gets full credit for breaking the logjam of the US's relationship with NK. I truly, 1000% hope from the bottom of my heart that his visit to North Korea is a resounding success. Truly. I would be thrilled if he knocks this one out of the park. His success with North Korea means a safer future for all of us, Democrat or Republican. |
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Post by mom26 on Jun 9, 2018 3:32:52 GMT
Here is a serious question with no sarcasm. What good things has Trump done for this country since he has become president? I agree it was a good thing that he gave the pardon to the woman with way too long of a sentence. But what else has he done? What are you seeing that most liberals aren’t seeing? What are we missing? I am as liberal as they come and I am glad that there is some movement in diplomatic negotiations with North Korea. I would be lying if I said that I was happy that DT was the one representing us, or trusted his ability to do this job well, but I'm glad the talks are happening and there is no denying that he gets full credit for breaking the logjam of the US's relationship with NK. I truly, 1000% hope from the bottom of my heart that his visit to North Korea is a resounding success. Truly. I would be thrilled if he knocks this one out of the park. His success with North Korea means a safer future for all of us, Democrat or Republican. Pulled quote: I truly, 1000% hope from the bottom of my heart that his visit to North Korea is a resounding success.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jun 9, 2018 3:48:38 GMT
I am as liberal as they come and I am glad that there is some movement in diplomatic negotiations with North Korea. I would be lying if I said that I was happy that DT was the one representing us, or trusted his ability to do this job well, but I'm glad the talks are happening and there is no denying that he gets full credit for breaking the logjam of the US's relationship with NK. I truly, 1000% hope from the bottom of my heart that his visit to North Korea is a resounding success. Truly. I would be thrilled if he knocks this one out of the park. His success with North Korea means a safer future for all of us, Democrat or Republican. Pulled quote: I truly, 1000% hope from the bottom of my heart that his visit to North Korea is a resounding success.
We should all want that, regardless of our political leanings. Thank you for seeing that. Actually he isn't going to NK. They are meeting in Singapore.  |
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Post by Belia on Jun 9, 2018 4:21:09 GMT
Pulled quote: I truly, 1000% hope from the bottom of my heart that his visit to North Korea is a resounding success.
We should all want that, regardless of our political leanings. Thank you for seeing that. Actually he isn't going to NK. They are meeting in Singapore.  Great correction. I knew that. Thank you! |
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Post by hop2 on Jun 9, 2018 11:56:47 GMT
There is a big difference between discussing someone's event, policy, idea, or action and bashing someone. For example, if someone said "Trump announced that the US is going to ban hats," you can discuss how you agree or disagree with the ban, how you feel about hats, would it include helmets, can you own a hat and not wear it, let's have a hat parade in front of the White House, etc, without attacking him and/or all Republicans/conservatives.
I would this a Trump neutral thread. And people who have brought just topics or just questions here have been hand slapped, because of something they said elsewhere. It can’t be a neutral thread if the OP is going to go find drama elsewhere and drag it in here. The OP made sure it was not a neutral thread but seeking negativity elsewhere and bringing the negativity into this thread to handslap a person, and snidely tell them to leave. You can’t have a neutral thread if you going to go seek out drama elsewhere and then bring it here saying those people should leave. Clearly the OP has some ill will towards some posters and feels the need to drag outside drama here, that won’t be neutral. That’s actually negative, and it wasn’t brought here by anyone but yourselves. No wonder people don’t feel welcome to discussion here. |
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Post by pastlifepea on Jun 9, 2018 13:09:28 GMT
This news made me sadder than I would have ever expected. I usually detest political commentators from both parties as they often are blustering, rude, arrogant, noisy a-holes. Dr. Krauthammer has always been fair, calm, and polite when speaking with people that disagree with him. I do not always agree with him but he is incredibly intelligent and a true gentleman. I hope he spends his remaining time comfortably with his loved ones and maybe hits some baseball games. |
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 9, 2018 14:24:46 GMT
There is a big difference between discussing someone's event, policy, idea, or action and bashing someone. For example, if someone said "Trump announced that the US is going to ban hats," you can discuss how you agree or disagree with the ban, how you feel about hats, would it include helmets, can you own a hat and not wear it, let's have a hat parade in front of the White House, etc, without attacking him and/or all Republicans/conservatives.
I would this a Trump neutral thread. And people who have brought just topics or just questions here have been hand slapped, because of something they said elsewhere. It can’t be a neutral thread if the OP is going to go find drama elsewhere and drag it in here. The OP made sure it was not a neutral thread but seeking negativity elsewhere and bringing the negativity into this thread to handslap a person, and snidely tell them to leave. You can’t have a neutral thread if you going to go seek out drama elsewhere and then bring it here saying those people should leave. Clearly the OP has some ill will towards some posters and feels the need to drag outside drama here, that won’t be neutral. That’s actually negative, and it wasn’t brought here by anyone but yourselves. No wonder people don’t feel welcome to discussion here. If you don't feel welcome here, go to another thread. Believe me when I tell you, this thread was created because many of us felt so unwelcome and ganged up on in other threads. Stop trying to create drama. It's exactly what we're looking to avoid. |
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