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Post by bazinga on Jun 9, 2018 15:30:24 GMT
There is a big difference between discussing someone's event, policy, idea, or action and bashing someone. For example, if someone said "Trump announced that the US is going to ban hats," you can discuss how you agree or disagree with the ban, how you feel about hats, would it include helmets, can you own a hat and not wear it, let's have a hat parade in front of the White House, etc, without attacking him and/or all Republicans/conservatives.
I would this a Trump neutral thread. And people who have brought just topics or just questions here have been hand slapped, because of something they said elsewhere. It can’t be a neutral thread if the OP is going to go find drama elsewhere and drag it in here. The OP made sure it was not a neutral thread but seeking negativity elsewhere and bringing the negativity into this thread to handslap a person, and snidely tell them to leave. You can’t have a neutral thread if you going to go seek out drama elsewhere and then bring it here saying those people should leave. Clearly the OP has some ill will towards some posters and feels the need to drag outside drama here, that won’t be neutral. That’s actually negative, and it wasn’t brought here by anyone but yourselves. No wonder people don’t feel welcome to discussion here. I said it was Trump neutral, meaning some people like Trump, some people don't, but we don't the repeated bashing of Trump that seems to happen on every political thread. I haven't seen anyone drone on about how much they like him, so we don't need to discuss that. The thread itself is not neutral, it's for republicans/conservatives/libertarians. We've said several times that anyone can post here if they can be respectful. That wasn't happening in the last thread, and some people are trying to bring it to this thread. The people who are being disrespectful are not welcome here. |
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Post by hop2 on Jun 9, 2018 15:32:02 GMT
And people who have brought just topics or just questions here have been hand slapped, because of something they said elsewhere. It can’t be a neutral thread if the OP is going to go find drama elsewhere and drag it in here. The OP made sure it was not a neutral thread but seeking negativity elsewhere and bringing the negativity into this thread to handslap a person, and snidely tell them to leave. You can’t have a neutral thread if you going to go seek out drama elsewhere and then bring it here saying those people should leave. Clearly the OP has some ill will towards some posters and feels the need to drag outside drama here, that won’t be neutral. That’s actually negative, and it wasn’t brought here by anyone but yourselves. No wonder people don’t feel welcome to discussion here. If you don't feel welcome here, go to another thread. Believe me when I tell you, this thread was created because many of us felt so unwelcome and ganged up on in other threads. Stop trying to create drama. It's exactly what we're looking to avoid. Don’t put words in my mouth. Several posters were wondering why the thread isn’t a not negative or neutral thread. I pointed out why that happened. I didn’t say anything on page one because I assumed there were issue with those specific posters that I was unaware of and I wasn’t looking to rock the boat. But after several pages and several posts that people are stumped as to why the thread is unwelcoming. Y’all even made a few very nice peas feel unwelcome. |
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 9, 2018 15:40:47 GMT
Let's get back to the topics we want to discuss. I'm not going to let people try to distract me into arguments with them because that's exactly what they want hoping to derail this thread.
What are your thoughts on Ben Shapiro and his guests? I find I love him. He so often says what I think but in a far more articulate way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 15:52:16 GMT
If you don't like the vibe here there's other threads on this MB that may suit you better. Just like a restaurant - I am not into Ethiopian food for example and when I went to a Ethiopian themed restaurant for the first time I did not enjoy the vibe. The food. The decor. So now I do not frequent that establishment. I did not demand to know why they opened in a suburb of Buffalo, complain about the food offerings, or ask that they change the music.
Some people, like my mother for example, often personalize a perceived slight even though nothing was directed at them. She (my mom) often says things like "I am sure soandso is upset with me because I did not come over to talk after mass". When in reality soandso was not upset, was cool with a wave and had something else on her mind.
Your mileage may vary...
I think it's silly to complain about what this thread is or is not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 15:54:30 GMT
Here is a serious question with no sarcasm. What good things has Trump done for this country since he has become president? I agree it was a good thing that he gave the pardon to the woman with way too long of a sentence. But what else has he done? What are you seeing that most liberals aren’t seeing? What are we missing? I'll try Fred. I know this goes without saying as you are an intelligent woman....but what *I* as a conservative consider an accomplishment may not be seen that way by you, as a liberal. But nevertheless, in my own mind, he's done some pretty good stuff: 1. Neil Gorsuch. That alone almost makes it bearable to have him as president for me. 2. Best economy in a long time 3. ISIS pretty much destroyed (and he worked with Allies to get this done) 4. To date, 17 Americans whom had been held overseas, have been released. Including three from North Korea. I consider that almost a miracle. 5. The strikes against Syria after they used chemical weapons once again 6. Tax cuts that benefit most Americans--NOT just the rich. 7. Confirmation of the most circuit court judges of any President ever in his first term 8. Authorized an additional 2.1 billion to the VA to take care of our veterans (which I personally think should come before ANY illegal immigrant) 9. Best jobs picture in years...nearly 3 millions jobs created since he took office including thousands in construction and manufacturing 10. Withdrawal from TPP 11. The closest we have come in more than 50 years to an actual possibility of a relationship with NK These are just a FEW of the things I am delighted to see. I'm happier than I can say to see us rebuilding our relationship with Israel I agree with all of that and am especially pleased that the stock market has continued to gain. My 401k appreciates it. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 9, 2018 15:55:22 GMT
I think it's kind of silly to expect to discuss political topics without the President being discussed at all-- since he's the head of the executive branch of government, and all-- but that's just me, I guess...
(and NO, I didn't say anything about Trump-bashing; just that if political / governmental / policy topics are discussed, he IS a part of that.)
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 9, 2018 15:59:24 GMT
I think it's kind of silly to expect to discuss political topics without the President being discussed at all-- since he's the head of the executive branch of government, and all-- but that's just me, I guess... (and NO, I didn't say anything about Trump-bashing; just that if political / governmental / policy topics are discussed, he IS a part of that.) What can't you understand. The parameters of this thread have clearly been set forth. Why argue about it. Just go to another thread. Jeez. Same-old, same-old. We're not changing to suit you. |
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Post by inkedup on Jun 9, 2018 16:15:03 GMT
If you don't like the vibe here there's other threads on this MB that may suit you better. Just like a restaurant - I am not into Ethiopian food for example and when I went to a Ethiopian themed restaurant for the first time I did not enjoy the vibe. The food. The decor. So now I do not frequent that establishment. I did not demand to know why they opened in a suburb of Buffalo, complain about the food offerings, or ask that they change the music. Some people, like my mother for example, often personalize a perceived slight even though nothing was directed at them. She (my mom) often says things like "I am sure soandso is upset with me because I did not come over to talk after mass". When in reality soandso was not upset, was cool with a wave and had something else on her mind. Your mileage may vary... I think it's silly to complain about what this thread is or is not. After a hearing about mean, terrible, intolerant, snowflake liberals for what feels like forever, this thread is a hoot. Rife with hypocrisy and nastiness from those of you who have done nothing but drone on and on about us evil, mean liberals. jeremysgirl tried to engage respectfully and was told to kick rocks because apparently there wasn't enough deference shown to Dear Leader when she posted. Enjoy your litterbox, ladies! @#notLauren is as happy as a pig in, well, you know. And you know what they say. Roll around with pigs and you get dirty. I hope someone trots this thread out the next time one of you starts with the "mean liberals drove all the nice conservatives away" sob story. Y'all give as good as you get. |
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Post by inkedup on Jun 9, 2018 16:18:14 GMT
I think it's kind of silly to expect to discuss political topics without the President being discussed at all-- since he's the head of the executive branch of government, and all-- but that's just me, I guess... (and NO, I didn't say anything about Trump-bashing; just that if political / governmental / policy topics are discussed, he IS a part of that.) What can't you understand. The parameters of this thread have clearly been set forth. Why argue about it. Just go to another thread. Jeez. Same-old, same-old. We're not changing to suit you. And I guess someone who wants to discuss Trump can do whatever she fucking wants on a public message board. America and all that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 16:29:43 GMT
If you don't like the vibe here there's other threads on this MB that may suit you better. Just like a restaurant - I am not into Ethiopian food for example and when I went to a Ethiopian themed restaurant for the first time I did not enjoy the vibe. The food. The decor. So now I do not frequent that establishment. I did not demand to know why they opened in a suburb of Buffalo, complain about the food offerings, or ask that they change the music. Some people, like my mother for example, often personalize a perceived slight even though nothing was directed at them. She (my mom) often says things like "I am sure soandso is upset with me because I did not come over to talk after mass". When in reality soandso was not upset, was cool with a wave and had something else on her mind. Your mileage may vary... I think it's silly to complain about what this thread is or is not. After a hearing about mean, terrible, intolerant, snowflake liberals for what feels like forever, this thread is a hoot. Rife with hypocrisy and nastiness from those of you who have done nothing but drone on and on about us evil, mean liberals. jeremysgirl tried to engage respectfully and was told to kick rocks because apparently there wasn't enough deference shown to Dear Leader when she posted. Enjoy your litterbox, ladies! @#notLauren is as happy as a pig in, well, you know. And you know what they say. Roll around with pigs and you get dirty. I hope someone trots this thread out the next time one of you starts with the "mean liberals drove all the nice conservatives away" sob story. Y'all give as good as you get. I have not been mean or rude to anyone on this thread and hope you aren't insinuating that by quoting me. This sounds like an old argument from back in the day -" NSBR is sooo nasty - I am staying on the scrappy threads." Or "those Pub girls think their $hit don't stink. I do not feel welcome there. I am going back to GS." Whatever. Go. Find your niche. |
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 9, 2018 16:31:48 GMT
Let's get back to the topics we want to discuss. I'm not going to let people try to distract me into arguments with them because that's exactly what they want hoping to derail this thread. What are your thoughts on Ben Shapiro and his guests? I find I love him. He so often says what I think but in a far more articulate way. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 16:33:56 GMT
I didn't know Ben Shapiro has a show. I've only caught little bits of him on a news show here and there so I don't know much about him.
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Post by inkedup on Jun 9, 2018 16:37:30 GMT
After a hearing about mean, terrible, intolerant, snowflake liberals for what feels like forever, this thread is a hoot. Rife with hypocrisy and nastiness from those of you who have done nothing but drone on and on about us evil, mean liberals. jeremysgirl tried to engage respectfully and was told to kick rocks because apparently there wasn't enough deference shown to Dear Leader when she posted. Enjoy your litterbox, ladies! @#notLauren is as happy as a pig in, well, you know. And you know what they say. Roll around with pigs and you get dirty. I hope someone trots this thread out the next time one of you starts with the "mean liberals drove all the nice conservatives away" sob story. Y'all give as good as you get. I have not been mean or rude to anyone on this thread and hope you aren't insinuating that by quoting me. This sounds like an old argument from back in the day -" NSBR is sooo nasty - I am staying on the scrappy threads." Or "those Pub girls think their $hit don't stink. I do not feel welcome there. I am going back to GS." Whatever. Go. Find your niche. I was not directing this at you personally. Sorry I didn't clarify that. You are always respectful. You and I have disagreed on political threads in the past, and I remember you well from those interactions. And I get what you are saying. I have no desire to engage politically or to derail your thread. I just find the irony too rich to ignore. The meanness from people who have spent the last two years complaining about mean liberals. Complaining about people who complain about trump while telling others to find another sandbox if they don't like it here. I am not calling you, personally, a hypocrite, @anmore. But there is an awful lot of it here. |
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Post by inkedup on Jun 9, 2018 16:39:07 GMT
I didn't know Ben Shapiro has a show. I've only caught little bits of him on a news show here and there so I don't know much about him. This liberal actually enjoys Ben Shapiro. I don't agree with him on a few huge issues, but I find him intelligent and interesting. |
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 9, 2018 16:40:17 GMT
Ben has a you tube channel and a show. He has a lot of great guest speakers on there. Check him out sometime. He was the one that Berkeley didn't want to speak because the school couldn't control the threatened violence of it's students.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 16:46:22 GMT
Is Shapiro overly controversial, or extremely conservative? I do remember now the threat of violence against him at UCBerkeley. What's the issue that would even cause that kind of threat?
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 9, 2018 16:56:30 GMT
Is Shapiro overly controversial, or extremely conservative? I do remember now the threat of violence against him at UCBerkeley. What's the issue that would even cause that kind of threat? No. He's not "overly" anything. He's conservative; against abortion, pro gun rights, a strict Constitutional Constructionist, a free market advocate. He is only "controversial" because liberal don't like what he has to say and they hate the fact that he is logical, unemotional when he speaks and eloquent. You'll never hear him screeching mantras. he discusses his opinion in a rational manner and in a normal tone of voice. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 9, 2018 17:01:17 GMT
I think it's kind of silly to expect to discuss political topics without the President being discussed at all-- since he's the head of the executive branch of government, and all-- but that's just me, I guess... (and NO, I didn't say anything about Trump-bashing; just that if political / governmental / policy topics are discussed, he IS a part of that.) Let me try to put this another way. The more conservative voices are a minority on this board. On this thread, we have repeatedly asked that the liberal voices not dominate the conversation since it then becomes like every other majority thread on this board. It's a big road. Give the less liberal a lane and let them have a place to dominate the conversation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 17:04:10 GMT
Is Shapiro overly controversial, or extremely conservative? I do remember now the threat of violence against him at UCBerkeley. What's the issue that would even cause that kind of threat? No. He's not "overly" anything. He's conservative; against abortion, pro gun rights, a strict Constitutional Constructionist, a free market advocate. He is only "controversial" because liberal don't like what he has to say and they hate the fact that he is logical, unemotional when he speaks and eloquent. You'll never hear him screeching mantras. he discusses his opinion in a rational manner and in a normal tone of voice. Thanks! I'll look him up on YouTube. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 9, 2018 17:06:25 GMT
I didn't know Ben Shapiro has a show. I've only caught little bits of him on a news show here and there so I don't know much about him. Me too. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 9, 2018 17:18:25 GMT
I just find the irony too rich to ignore. The meanness from people who have spent the last two years complaining about mean liberals. Complaining about people who complain about trump while telling others to find another sandbox if they don't like it here. I am not calling you, personally, a hypocrite, anmore. But there is an awful lot of it here. Thank you. You have lumped everyone on this thread together, though, as if we are one single unit with one single thought. We are just a bunch of individual voices who wandered over here to this thread and decided to make our voice heard. I try to be the same voice no matter what thread I'm posting on. I don't like drama, so I try to avoid the most dominant political threads or else I end up not sleeping and that's not good for me. If you think me hypocritical, than so be it. I'm just glad that you made the extra effort to @anmore. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 9, 2018 17:21:29 GMT
Ben has a you tube channel and a show. He has a lot of great guest speakers on there. Check him out sometime. He was the one that Berkeley didn't want to speak because the school couldn't control the threatened violence of it's students. One? I thought there have been multiple speakers that were put in that position. Am I mistaken? |
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 9, 2018 17:39:59 GMT
I don't recall. Ben Shapiro just stuck out in my mind. I believe Anne Coulter also faced that from the "tolerant" group at Berkley.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 9, 2018 18:01:59 GMT
I don't recall. Ben Shapiro just stuck out in my mind. I believe Anne Coulter also faced that from the "tolerant" group at Berkley. That's what I thought. I believe there were still others, too, who were disinvited because of "security". When I was at college, we actually had divergence of opinions without the overwhelming need of some to control what was and what was not heard. |
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Post by inkedup on Jun 9, 2018 18:04:26 GMT
I just find the irony too rich to ignore. The meanness from people who have spent the last two years complaining about mean liberals. Complaining about people who complain about trump while telling others to find another sandbox if they don't like it here. I am not calling you, personally, a hypocrite, anmore. But there is an awful lot of it here. Thank you. You have lumped everyone on this thread together, though, as if we are one single unit with one single thought. We are just a bunch of individual voices who wandered over here to this thread and decided to make our voice heard. I try to be the same voice no matter what thread I'm posting on. I don't like drama, so I try to avoid the most dominant political threads or else I end up not sleeping and that's not good for me. If you think me hypocritical, than so be it. I'm just glad that you made the extra effort to @anmore. I sent you a PM. I realize that no group is a monolith. All liberals aren't x any more than all conservatives are y. It would serve us all well to remember that. |
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Post by inkedup on Jun 9, 2018 18:11:46 GMT
I don't recall. Ben Shapiro just stuck out in my mind. I believe Anne Coulter also faced that from the "tolerant" group at Berkley. That's what I thought. I believe there were still others, too, who were disinvited because of "security". When I was at college, we actually had divergence of opinions without the overwhelming need of some to control what was and what was not heard. I think it was Milo Yiannopoulos who coined the term "regressive left." I am far more liberal than not, but this type of censorship is ridiculous. It goes against the tenets of the first amendment and higher education in general. I read and listen to many conservative pundits. I am more interested in ideas than party. |
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Post by Merge on Jun 9, 2018 18:25:16 GMT
Ben has a you tube channel and a show. He has a lot of great guest speakers on there. Check him out sometime. He was the one that Berkeley didn't want to speak because the school couldn't control the threatened violence of it's students. And yet he spoke as scheduled and there was no violence. |
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Post by Merge on Jun 9, 2018 18:34:49 GMT
Ben has a you tube channel and a show. He has a lot of great guest speakers on there. Check him out sometime. He was the one that Berkeley didn't want to speak because the school couldn't control the threatened violence of it's students. One? I thought there have been multiple speakers that were put in that position. Am I mistaken? The only one who didn’t get to speak was Milo. Everybody else went on as scheduled. No violence. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 9, 2018 18:42:08 GMT
I realize that no group is a monolith. All liberals aren't x any more than all conservatives are y. It would serve us all well to remember that. Amen to that!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 19:10:10 GMT
I first got to "know" Ben Shapiro when his radio show was one of my local station's lineup. Now I read his stuff at National Review. He's generally brilliant.  |
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