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Post by cycworker on Jun 11, 2018 1:35:33 GMT
Condoleezza Rice were also run off by threats of violent protests. Condoleeza Rice? Talk about intolerance! She'd have had my vote for president in a New York minute. In fairness, even I don't mind Condoleeza Rice. Whether I'd vote for her if I had the chance... I don't know. But she's certainly not objectionable as a speaker on the level of a Milo |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 4:26:18 GMT
Condoleeza Rice? Talk about intolerance! She'd have had my vote for president in a New York minute. In fairness, even I don't mind Condoleeza Rice. Whether I'd vote for her if I had the chance... I don't know. But she's certainly not objectionable as a speaker on the level of a Milo She's not. Not by any stretch of the imagination and neither is Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Ben Shapiro, but as Charles Krauthammer has said "The left is entering a new phase of ideological agitation — no longer trying to win the debate but stopping debate altogether, banishing from public discourse any and all opposition." And we see that so much on college campuses, where they're supposed to be exposed to many differing viewpoints, but they want to stay in their enclosed little bubble of one allowed viewpoint, as evidenced by violently protesting people who don't have objectionable view points, just differing ones. |
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Post by cycworker on Jun 11, 2018 6:34:28 GMT
In fairness, even I don't mind Condoleeza Rice. Whether I'd vote for her if I had the chance... I don't know. But she's certainly not objectionable as a speaker on the level of a Milo She's not. Not by any stretch of the imagination and neither is Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Ben Shapiro, but as Charles Krauthammer has said "The left is entering a new phase of ideological agitation — no longer trying to win the debate but stopping debate altogether, banishing from public discourse any and all opposition." And we see that so much on college campuses, where they're supposed to be exposed to many differing viewpoints, but they want to stay in their enclosed little bubble of one allowed viewpoint, as evidenced by violently protesting people who don't have objectionable view points, just differing ones. Well, as you would expect, I think you're exaggerating to a certain extent. While she's not Milo-level bad, there are some topics where I can see people having concerns about giving her a platform. She's far too hawkish, and it's dangerous. I don't know anything about Ali or Shapiro. I'll concede that some progressives expect too much progress, too quickly. The progressive litmus testing isn't going to be helpful in our fight against Bannon, Trump & the white supremacy they're trying to bring to the forefront. That said, there ARE times when there's nothing to debate. The progressives are correct in that. For example... both sides were NOT to blame in Charlottesville. That was all on the white supremacists with their torches. Everyone who took part in that protest should be in jail for hate crimes. Racism, anti-Semitism, homophobia, sexism, transphobia... all unacceptable, and it's NOT open for discussion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 8:31:32 GMT
She's not. Not by any stretch of the imagination and neither is Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Ben Shapiro, but as Charles Krauthammer has said "The left is entering a new phase of ideological agitation — no longer trying to win the debate but stopping debate altogether, banishing from public discourse any and all opposition." And we see that so much on college campuses, where they're supposed to be exposed to many differing viewpoints, but they want to stay in their enclosed little bubble of one allowed viewpoint, as evidenced by violently protesting people who don't have objectionable view points, just differing ones. Well, as you would expect, I think you're exaggerating to a certain extent. While she's not Milo-level bad, there are some topics where I can see people having concerns about giving her a platform. She's far too hawkish, and it's dangerous. I don't know anything about Ali or Shapiro. I'll concede that some progressives expect too much progress, too quickly. The progressive litmus testing isn't going to be helpful in our fight against Bannon, Trump & the white supremacy they're trying to bring to the forefront. That said, there ARE times when there's nothing to debate. The progressives are correct in that. For example... both sides were NOT to blame in Charlottesville. That was all on the white supremacists with their torches. Everyone who took part in that protest should be in jail for hate crimes. Racism, anti-Semitism, homophobia, sexism, transphobia... all unacceptable, and it's NOT open for discussion. I'm not exaggerating at all. What exactly did she say that was too dangerous for students to hear? I agree, all unacceptable. And yet it does come open for discussion when it's applied incorrectly, as we've seen here far too often to be a misunderstanding. When it's applied to silence differing viewpoints, it WILL be objected to and discussed. |
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Post by cade387 on Jun 11, 2018 9:11:41 GMT
But why is that ok? The Left did so we are going to do it too?  Really? Are they 5? Because that is the arguments I have with my kids. And that isn’t one sided because the Left shouldn’t say the same about the Right either. If I won’t let my kids get away with that behavior then I darn sure don’t want the people who run this country (of either party) playing the whiny “well they did so I can too” or the cranky “well he did it so I’m going to outsmart him at his own game” kind of crap. I’m so done with all of this. There isn’t some moral high ground for the Right because the Left did it before and now we are giving it back to them twice over. This is not what Jesus would do, and anyone maintaining they have faith in any deity and acting this way is not a true follower of their religion. Which brings me once again back to they may be a Republican but they are not Consitiutionists nor are they Conservative Christians. The constitution doesn’t need to be twisted to be followed. I have no tolerance for parties right now. If you (general you) are spending millions of dollars trying to convince folks that the constitution really means X because that is what they want it to say, it should make you take a step back and think. That is like saying that the Ten Commandments only said you shall not covet your neighbor’s possessions, but that didn’t include the guy across the street - that’s ok because neighbor in that time only meant the guy literally next door. ::facepalm:: Do not come here and put words in my mouth. I never said it was okay or that they did so we can do it. I didn't say that because that's not what we're doing, so you're having that 5 year old mentality argument all by yourself, Cade. What I said is that Fred is doing the very thing she's complaining about. According to the "rules" shoved down our throats in order to shut us up every time we call out YOUR double standard, WE can't bring up the past president or Hillary while we're talking about this president. We're called out as crazy or everyone is told not to respond to us when WE do. We are dismissed and demonized for doing it, but your side does it ALL the time when it suits their position. You demand that we need to play by rules you set but don’t follow yourselves. THAT'S what I'm saying. I wonder why liberals should have to acknowledge the good trump has done while the conservatives continue to ignore the good President Obama did on the same issues . I wonder why the conservatives celebrate the appointment of conservative judges while ignoring how it came to be that these conservative judges could be appointed. I wonder , if at this point in time, if it’s even worth attempting any meaningful discussion if we need to play by rules you set but don’t follow yourselves. What the hell??? “Your side” So you get to decide I’m a liberal now huh? This is exactly why myself and and other conservatives posted they don’t feel welcome here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 9:30:03 GMT
Do not come here and put words in my mouth. I never said it was okay or that they did so we can do it. I didn't say that because that's not what we're doing, so you're having that 5 year old mentality argument all by yourself, Cade. What I said is that Fred is doing the very thing she's complaining about. According to the "rules" shoved down our throats in order to shut us up every time we call out YOUR double standard, WE can't bring up the past president or Hillary while we're talking about this president. We're called out as crazy or everyone is told not to respond to us when WE do. We are dismissed and demonized for doing it, but your side does it ALL the time when it suits their position. You demand that we need to play by rules you set but don’t follow yourselves. THAT'S what I'm saying. What the hell??? “Your side” So you get to decide I’m a liberal now huh? This is exactly why myself and and other conservatives posted they don’t feel welcome here. You come in, put words in my mouth and accuse me of acting like a 5 year old because of an argument I never made and then wonder why you get lumped in with the people who do that and don't feel welcomed? Okay then. |
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Post by cade387 on Jun 11, 2018 10:07:43 GMT
If the Constitution only had one way to be interpreted or understood, we would need no Supreme Court, and even they almost never all agree on its interpretation. That isn’t the role I see as the framers wanting the SC to have. It was only later, during Marshall v. Marbury that Marshall claimed that the SC has that ability. I believe that the founding fathers saw the way the courts were handled in England and wanted none of that. I understand my view is more black and white in a sea of gray, but I am not alone in my beliefs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 11:03:11 GMT
Bill Maher doesn't care if millions lose their jobs, their homes and can't feed their families as long as he gets what he wants politically. Why should he care, he has millions, right?
"I feel like the bottom has to fall out at some point, and by the way, I’m hoping for it. I think one way you get rid of Trump is a crashing economy. So please, bring on the recession. Sorry if that hurts people, but it’s either root for a recession or you lose your democracy."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 13:00:54 GMT
If the Constitution only had one way to be interpreted or understood, we would need no Supreme Court, and even they almost never all agree on its interpretation. That isn’t the role I see as the framers wanting the SC to have. It was only later, during Marshall v. Marbury that Marshall claimed that the SC has that ability. I believe that the founding fathers saw the way the courts were handled in England and wanted none of that. I understand my view is more black and white in a sea of gray, but I am not alone in my beliefs. Did you mean Marbury v. Madison (judicial review)? There is great precedent for judicial review existing and being exercised prior to that both state and federal, but regardless, what role would you like to see the SCOTUS play? What would you like to see happen to cases heard since Marbury v. Madison in which judicial review played a primary role?
For me, I don't agree with 'legislating from the bench' as in making laws at the judicial level; that is reserved to Congress. However, if not for judicial review, what role would the courts have if not to be the final arbiters of what laws mean and their application?
ETA: Others please join in! This is a great discussion topic!
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Post by betty on Jun 11, 2018 13:54:44 GMT
Bill Maher doesn't care if millions lose their jobs, their homes and can't feed their families as long as he gets what he wants politically. Why should he care, he has millions, right? "I feel like the bottom has to fall out at some point, and by the way, I’m hoping for it. I think one way you get rid of Trump is a crashing economy. So please, bring on the recession. Sorry if that hurts people, but it’s either root for a recession or you lose your democracy." And sadly so many people in his target audience only get their "news" from entertainers/comedians like this. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 18:11:57 GMT
Bill Maher doesn't care if millions lose their jobs, their homes and can't feed their families as long as he gets what he wants politically. Why should he care, he has millions, right? "I feel like the bottom has to fall out at some point, and by the way, I’m hoping for it. I think one way you get rid of Trump is a crashing economy. So please, bring on the recession. Sorry if that hurts people, but it’s either root for a recession or you lose your democracy." And sadly so many people in his target audience only get their "news" from entertainers/comedians like this. True. What's even sadder is that some people have said THIS MESSAGE BOARD is where they get their "news".  Oddly enough THOSE people's views are never dismissed for their "source".  Can't imagine why that is.  |
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Post by lindas on Jun 11, 2018 18:54:34 GMT
Bill Maher doesn't care if millions lose their jobs, their homes and can't feed their families as long as he gets what he wants politically. Why should he care, he has millions, right? "I feel like the bottom has to fall out at some point, and by the way, I’m hoping for it. I think one way you get rid of Trump is a crashing economy. So please, bring on the recession. Sorry if that hurts people, but it’s either root for a recession or you lose your democracy." Bill Maher, Robert DeNiro, Samantha Bee, etc, etc, etc............Everytime one of those ultra liberals opens his mouth it just strengthens my resolve to never vote for a democrat ever again. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 19:18:41 GMT
Bill Maher doesn't care if millions lose their jobs, their homes and can't feed their families as long as he gets what he wants politically. Why should he care, he has millions, right? "I feel like the bottom has to fall out at some point, and by the way, I’m hoping for it. I think one way you get rid of Trump is a crashing economy. So please, bring on the recession. Sorry if that hurts people, but it’s either root for a recession or you lose your democracy." Bill Maher, Robert DeNiro, Samantha Bee, etc, etc, etc............Everytime one of those ultra liberals opens his mouth it just strengthens my resolve to never vote for a democrat ever again. I haven't heard what DeNiro said, do I really want to? |
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Post by mom on Jun 11, 2018 20:05:06 GMT
Bill Maher, Robert DeNiro, Samantha Bee, etc, etc, etc............Everytime one of those ultra liberals opens his mouth it just strengthens my resolve to never vote for a democrat ever again. I haven't heard what DeNiro said, do I really want to? short story - on the stage of the Tony Awards, he says: fuck Trump. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 22:39:51 GMT
I haven't heard what DeNiro said, do I really want to? short story - on the stage of the Tony Awards, he says: fuck Trump. What happened to their mantra of "When they go low, we go high."? |
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Post by inkedup on Jun 11, 2018 22:51:33 GMT
short story - on the stage of the Tony Awards, he says: fuck Trump. What happened to their mantra of "When they go low, we go high."? Aw, cute that you're all upset about Deniro saying "Fuck Trump," but I don't recall many of our hard right peas being equally upset when Ted Nugent called for Obama to suck on his machine gun. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 22:57:42 GMT
What happened to their mantra of "When they go low, we go high."? about Deniro saying "Fuck Trump," but I don't recall many of our hard right peas being equally upset when Ted Nugent called for Obama to suck on his machine gun. I'm not upset. It's not that important. But point me to the discussion of Ted Nugent doing that and I'll try to see where I failed you. |
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jun 12, 2018 0:26:19 GMT
What happened to their mantra of "When they go low, we go high."? Aw, cute that you're all upset about Deniro saying "Fuck Trump," but I don't recall many of our hard right peas being equally upset when Ted Nugent called for Obama to suck on his machine gun. I assume there was a thread discussing that issue at the time and everyone interested in participating commented how horrible a statement it was. That has nothing to do with this thread. I’m sure you can do a search so you can comment again if need be. |
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 12, 2018 0:39:11 GMT
Nah, she'd rather come here to start trouble. Go away. There are any number of threads where you can bash Trump and Republicans (and us) to your heart's content.
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Post by inkedup on Jun 12, 2018 1:04:50 GMT
Nah, she'd rather come here to start trouble. Go away. There are any number of threads where you can bash Trump and Republicans (and us) to your heart's content. I'll post wherever I please, "not"Lauren. As for your wish that I go away....Maybe I'll hairflip because you mean right wingers are hurting my snowflake feelings, and maybe, just maybe, I'll ressurect myself as #notinkedup 😂😂😂 |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 12, 2018 2:43:45 GMT
For me, I don't agree with 'legislating from the bench' as in making laws at the judicial level; that is reserved to Congress. However, if not for judicial review, what role would the courts have if not to be the final arbiters of what laws mean and their application? Laws should not be created at the bench. Quite possibly the biggest difference in perspective between me and many others. |
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 12, 2018 3:08:06 GMT
For me, I don't agree with 'legislating from the bench' as in making laws at the judicial level; that is reserved to Congress. However, if not for judicial review, what role would the courts have if not to be the final arbiters of what laws mean and their application? Laws should not be created at the bench. Quite possibly the biggest difference in perspective between me and many others. I agree with you. Some of our worst social decisions have come from the bench. |
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 12, 2018 4:24:27 GMT
Bill Maher doesn't care if millions lose their jobs, their homes and can't feed their families as long as he gets what he wants politically. Why should he care, he has millions, right? "I feel like the bottom has to fall out at some point, and by the way, I’m hoping for it. I think one way you get rid of Trump is a crashing economy. So please, bring on the recession. Sorry if that hurts people, but it’s either root for a recession or you lose your democracy." |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 18:26:57 GMT
The first time a US president has met with a North Korean leader was a historic moment. Other than that, I'm just waiting to see what the outcome will be. I'm not ready to be all enthused just yet.
What are the thoughts from conservatives on the meeting, what was signed and what it all means? Or could mean.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 18:49:14 GMT
The first time a US president has met with a North Korean leader was a historic moment. Other than that, I'm just waiting to see what the outcome will be. I'm not ready to be all enthused just yet. What are the thoughts from conservatives on the meeting, what was signed and what it all means? Or could mean. I'm glad it happened, that he pulled it off to begin with. It's much more than any of our previous presidents have even tried to do. As for the outcome? Who knows? Kim is definitely untrustworthy, so whatever he signs probably doesn't "mean" much, but I'm glad Trump tried anyhow. I'm not opening up any liberal threads, because it really doesn't matter what he tried to do, it will be all wrong in their eyes. I'm tired of the negativity, the cussing, and wanting the USA to fail so Trump will resign or be impeached. I don't think he's going to resign or be impeached myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 19:35:24 GMT
The first time a US president has met with a North Korean leader was a historic moment. Other than that, I'm just waiting to see what the outcome will be. I'm not ready to be all enthused just yet. What are the thoughts from conservatives on the meeting, what was signed and what it all means? Or could mean. I'm glad it happened, that he pulled it off to begin with. It's much more than any of our previous presidents have even tried to do. As for the outcome? Who knows? Kim is definitely untrustworthy, so whatever he signs probably doesn't "mean" much, but I'm glad Trump tried anyhow. I'm not opening up any liberal threads, because it really doesn't matter what he tried to do, it will be all wrong in their eyes. I'm tired of the negativity, the cussing, and wanting the USA to fail so Trump will resign or be impeached. I don't think he's going to resign or be impeached myself.
In all fairness, I'm pretty sure the right lost their poop when Obama said he'd talk with Kim Jong Un, and then criticized he didn't do enough.
Now the left is loosing their poop because Trump did meet with KJU, and are now criticizing he didn't do enough.
It's a vicious circle we go around in.
I'm remaining hopefully optimistic. This was the first meeting these two had, yet the left seems to think he should have achieved peace on the Korean Peninsula yesterday. I'll give it a little more time than that. 
I saw Congressman Adam Kinzinger being interviewed. When asked if he was bothered by Trump saying the military exercises were being stopped with SK, he explained those exercises do have importance, but it's a non-issue right now because there weren't any even scheduled in the near future. Coincidence? Who knows.
One thing that's really bugging me is the thought of KJU going to the White House. I was getting knots when the North Korean officials were there a couple of weeks ago, and I don't think anybody from that regime, especially KJU, should ever be allowed in there.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 12, 2018 19:41:01 GMT
I'm glad it happened, that he pulled it off to begin with. It's much more than any of our previous presidents have even tried to do. Hey, President Obama received a Nobel Peace Prize for his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" after he had been in office for all of 12 days. What's a little peaceful sit-down with the maniacal dictator out to blow up the world compared to that? By the by, FWIW, Nobel secretary regretted giving Obama the peace prizeWhat do you think the rewrite on today's meetings are gonna look like a few years from now? |
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Post by annaintx on Jun 12, 2018 19:41:49 GMT
I'm glad it happened, that he pulled it off to begin with. It's much more than any of our previous presidents have even tried to do. As for the outcome? Who knows? Kim is definitely untrustworthy, so whatever he signs probably doesn't "mean" much, but I'm glad Trump tried anyhow. I'm not opening up any liberal threads, because it really doesn't matter what he tried to do, it will be all wrong in their eyes. I'm tired of the negativity, the cussing, and wanting the USA to fail so Trump will resign or be impeached. I don't think he's going to resign or be impeached myself.
In all fairness, I'm pretty sure the right lost their poop when Obama said he'd talk with Kim Jong Un, and then criticized he didn't do enough.
Now the left is loosing their poop because Trump did meet with KJU, and are now criticizing he didn't do enough.
It's a vicious circle we go around in.
I'm remaining hopefully optimistic. This was the first meeting these two had, yet the left seems to think he should have achieved peace on the Korean Peninsula yesterday. I'll give it a little more time than that.
I saw Congressman Adam Kinzinger being interviewed. When asked if he was bothered by Trump saying the military exercises were being stopped with SK, he explained those exercises do have importance, but it's a non-issue right now because there weren't any even scheduled in the near future. Coincidence? Who knows.
One thing that's really bugging me is the thought of KJU going to the White House. I was getting knots when the North Korean officials were there a couple of weeks ago, and I don't think anybody from that regime, especially KJU, should ever be allowed in there.
Yes, I just found a compilation of Fox News talking heads saying that Obama was going to meet with dictators and "it's terrible" etc. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 12, 2018 19:47:01 GMT
In all fairness, I'm pretty sure the right lost their poop when Obama said he'd talk with Kim Jong Un, and then criticized he didn't do enough. I have no clue what that even means. IMO, Trump is the cat playing with the mouse Kim Jong Un. The Media thinks it's the other way around. In my opinion, the media editorials are so very bad, they're laughable. And now, I'm supposed to have lost my sh_t because... Trump is behaving exactly the way I thought he would behave? Nope. Not even a little bit. ETA - I totally misread that. Never realized you said Obama. Now it makes more sense!  |
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Post by inkedup on Jun 12, 2018 19:54:34 GMT
I'm glad it happened, that he pulled it off to begin with. It's much more than any of our previous presidents have even tried to do. Hey, President Obama received a Nobel Peace Prize for his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" after he had been in office for all of 12 days. What's a little peaceful sit-down with the maniacal dictator out to blow up the world compared to that? By the by, FWIW, Nobel secretary regretted giving Obama the peace prizeWhat do you think the rewrite on today's meetings are gonna look like a few years from now? I liked a lot about Obama and his administration, though I can admit that they made many missteps. All administrations make mistakes. I am still puzzled by the fact that he was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize. |
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Really? Are they 5? Because that is the arguments I have with my kids. And that isn’t one sided because the Left shouldn’t say the same about the Right either. If I won’t let my kids get away with that behavior then I darn sure don’t want the people who run this country (of either party) playing the whiny “well they did so I can too” or the cranky “well he did it so I’m going to outsmart him at his own game” kind of crap. 
Can't imagine why that is. 
