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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 22:05:05 GMT
Trying to justify yourself by saying you only sell the signs you don't have them in your home doesn't really warrant a mature response. You are just as guilty of racism as the people who buy them, if you can't see that or it never occurred to you then I'm sorry but there's something wrong there.
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Post by workingclassdog on Sept 18, 2014 22:11:15 GMT
I don't think you need to leave.. if what you said is true and a lapse in judgement.. no worries. I have done my fair share of dumb things. But we all learn from our mistakes or lapse of judgement.
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johnnysmom
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Post by johnnysmom on Sept 18, 2014 22:19:21 GMT
I bet you're losing more sales by having those signs than you're making from the signs themselves. I wouldn't buy from a store that had that kind of merchandise, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Glad you removed them from the FB page, hopefully you reconsider selling them anywhere.
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Post by myboysnme on Sept 18, 2014 22:21:36 GMT
I'm really glad you asked about the signs, and even more thrilled that I did not see anyone post that they thought the signs were A OK. I used to like a Disney movie as a child called 'Song of the South.' Disney will not release that movie because of all of the racism expressed in the film. Some things that someone feels nostalgic for just have no place in our society today. They will stay in the past.
I am a huge lover of history and my house has been called 'the museum' but signs like you are describing would make me ashamed to be associated with such a thing. Not every single thing from our history needs to be reproduced for nostalgia's sake. These signs are right smack in the middle of the list of things you don't want to be associated with when you are not a racist.
And this may sound harsh, but since you did not see how these signs could be seen as racist, there is a chance you are racist in other aspects of your life and you just aren't aware. So asking questions and receiving honest feedback is a very good thing.
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Post by pierkiss on Sept 18, 2014 22:41:55 GMT
Original signs like that have a place in history, and should be treated as artifacts from the time period. You know, in museums. Replication signs "for decoration" like that have no place in today's society. . Sorry, I think you should rethink selling them.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Sept 18, 2014 22:46:54 GMT
Why would being a reproduction matter? Those I've sold some too say they had interest in the history of the matter. I'm no way a racist person and that thought never crossed my mind. We had one and we're asked by numerous people to buy it so we got our hands on a few more.... why would ANYONE reproduce a sign like that>?? If it is an original I think the only place it belongs is in a museum. I am it does not belong on FB camp!
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Post by raindancer on Sept 18, 2014 23:29:10 GMT
One of the things I like about this place is that someone reflecting and saying they learned from others here often goes a long way to keeping the poster in the community. People here are very forgiving. OP, you said you gained a new perspective. I do not think you need to remove yourself. Growth is a good thing. Thanks the signs were taken down from the sites. But that doesn't mean people don't hold a grudge People might, and that's ok. You know who you are, and you made an effort. That's all you can do. You can't make everyone like you. When we make mistakes, especially big ones, people will remember and they may judge us on that for a long time. It's why I try to remember to be forgiving and give people the benefit of the doubt. Besides, it's America, give it 15 mins, and they will move on. Short attention spans and all that jazz.
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Post by Sassenach on Sept 19, 2014 0:40:44 GMT
Is this a serious question? You really don't understand why someone would think that this is racist?
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Post by melanell on Sept 19, 2014 1:04:32 GMT
I think those signs should just have been destroyed. Why would anyone want to keep one? Now this I disagree with. I do not think all of the original signs should be destroyed. They belong in places such as museums where people can see them and really imagine what it must have been like to have those hanging in your town or in your public buildings and spaces. Living in a northern state and in the time in which I have lived, I have never seen a sign like that in day to day life. And to see one on display for historical and educational reasons would be something I think would make me feel heartbroken and angry. But I think one should feel that way when faced with such tangible reminders of racism through segregation. To remember history is to try to learn from it and to try to avoid repeating past horrors and atrocities. And I can see making reproductions to use as props in films about that time period. But I have absolutely no need for one of those signs, authentic or reproduction, in my home. Absolutely not. And I would not be comfortable selling them, either.
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Post by penny on Sept 19, 2014 3:34:49 GMT
Just wanted to say that I don't think you're a bad person - like another poster said, we all have moments when we've done something that was unintentionally hurtful... I don't think you have to leave... I think the strong response you got was because of how people feel about the signs, and not necessarily you as a person...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 4:03:38 GMT
Live and learn...take the pea advice!
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Post by Zee on Sept 19, 2014 5:14:36 GMT
Just wanted to say that I don't think you're a bad person - like another poster said, we all have moments when we've done something that was unintentionally hurtful... I don't think you have to leave... I think the strong response you got was because of how people feel about the signs, and not necessarily you as a person... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yes, this. I'm sorry I was very harsh on my earlier response. The idea of someone making money off reproduction Jim Crow signs, and then "venting" about complainers on Facebook, had me seeing red. That doesn't mean I think you're a terrible person and I hope you've had your eyes opened enough to realize why so many people find it offensive, to take the advice offered and move forward with more knowledge. No one suggested you need to leave.
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anniebygaslight
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Post by anniebygaslight on Sept 19, 2014 5:48:42 GMT
Wow.just.wow.
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Post by gar on Sept 19, 2014 10:05:41 GMT
Well I guess I didn't see it that way...I'm not using them in my home..Other people are. Sorry everyone feels the way they do. If I could have deleted this post earlier you bet your ass I would have. Guess I won't be around anymore. That's entirely up to you. As others have already said - we all make mistakes. Hold you hand up and say "Yup, I was wrong but I've learned from it." begets a much quicker 'forgive and move on' response from the Peas than a petulant foot stomp.
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Post by giatocj on Sept 19, 2014 10:16:35 GMT
I don't get why you're surprised that people find you racist for selling these signs. I really don't. I could be WAY off, but this just seems like a post to bait people into outrage. I'm not sure why I get that feeling...I just do. What better way than a hot button topic like racism to get people's anger off an running. FTR, I agree with everyone else...the signs are racist and disgusting and it is not surprising at all that customers would complain. They need to be in a fire pit along with lawn jockey's and everything else of that ilk.
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tduby1
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Post by tduby1 on Sept 19, 2014 12:05:23 GMT
Well that makes it perfectly ok then Wasn't asking for your opinion. Actually you did. That was the whole point of your OP.
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Post by miss_lizzie on Sept 19, 2014 13:03:15 GMT
OP, only you know whether it's best to go or stay, but we all change and grow throughout our lives. One quote I use in my life is by Maya Angelou: "You did then what you knew how to do, And when you knew better, You did better."
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Post by kmk1112 on Sept 19, 2014 13:18:39 GMT
I honestly think that some people, like the OP, just sometimes don't realize that what they're doing or saying might be offensive. That doesn't make them racist, in fact sometimes, they're completely not-racist and that's why it doesn't even occur to them. Others of us are hyper-vigilant, sometimes even looking for something to be offensive/racist that most of the world wouldn't think twice about. (Although that's not the case with these signs!)
OP clearly didn't get it before. I think she does now and maybe will be more aware/sensitive to things like this in the future.
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Post by twoboyzmom on Sept 19, 2014 13:37:21 GMT
Thank you for the kind posts.
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Post by Country Ham on Sept 19, 2014 15:02:18 GMT
I think there is a market for that type of memorabilia. A general FB second hand sales page is not it. To me destroying those parts of the past is a little like book burning. Too much history there. But yes I would be surprised to find those on my pages, local yard sales etc.
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Post by LeaP on Sept 19, 2014 15:14:20 GMT
Well I guess I didn't see it that way...I'm not using them in my home..Other people are. Sorry everyone feels the way they do. If I could have deleted this post earlier you bet your ass I would have. Guess I won't be around anymore. Please don't leave. Over the years, I have marveled at the capacity for change for the better in the posters. In my opinion, overall the site has become a lot more tolerant. While there are still a lot of vehement disagreements, it is very heartening to see how much things have improved since posters were defending Prop 8. Stay and see where things go.
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