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Post by librarylady on Jul 23, 2018 19:47:39 GMT
What a decision.......if he does it--or perhaps he is just spouting off again.
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Post by maryannscraps on Jul 23, 2018 19:48:27 GMT
He can try. McCabe said his was already deactivated when he left the FBI, per FBI requirements.
My God, Trump is such a dumbass.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 23, 2018 19:50:45 GMT
What a sad, vengeful, stupid lump he is.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 23, 2018 19:50:54 GMT
He can try. McCabe said his was already deactivated when he left the FBI, per FBI requirements. My God, Trump is such a dumbass. That's what I was wondering. Do they keep their security clearances after they leave or, better yet, are fired from the job? That sounds weird. He is SUCH a dumbass.
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Post by maryannscraps on Jul 23, 2018 19:53:50 GMT
I had just popped in here after reading an article in the Boston Globe with this quote:
"And Melissa Schwartz, a spokesman for McCabe, tweeted that his security clearance had already been deactivated when he was terminated, ‘‘according to what we were told was FBI policy. You would think the White House would check with the FBI before trying to throw shiny objects to the press corps...,’’ she wrote."
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 23, 2018 19:57:33 GMT
I had just popped in here after reading an article in the Boston Globe with this quote: "And Melissa Schwartz, a spokesman for McCabe, tweeted that his security clearance had already been deactivated when he was terminated, ‘‘according to what we were told was FBI policy. You would think the White House would check with the FBI before trying to throw shiny objects to the press corps...,’’ she wrote."The best parts of his tweets are the responses from other people.
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Post by maryannscraps on Jul 23, 2018 20:00:14 GMT
It slays me that Sanders actually complains that they are monetizing their public service. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!! OMG, can you believe it?
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jul 23, 2018 20:06:23 GMT
I have a sincere question. Do any republicans think Trump is doing a good job?
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Post by dewryce on Jul 23, 2018 20:08:49 GMT
Or "hypothetically" threaten antitrust measures against your company (see: Amazon/Washington Post tweets from earlier). Or call you "the real enemy of the American people."
Funny, for a group that clings so hard to the 2nd amendment they don't seem to have much use for the 1st.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 23, 2018 20:10:01 GMT
I have a sincere question. Do any republicans think Trump is doing a good job? Yes. Depending on the poll 72-88% of Republican's are happy with him. Terrifying.
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 23, 2018 20:11:40 GMT
I have a sincere question. Do any republicans think Trump is doing a good job? CNN said this morning that he has a 45% approval rating. Mind. Blown.
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Post by lindas on Jul 23, 2018 20:28:59 GMT
Do you really think it's necessary for John Brennan, or anyone else, to have a top security clearance to be a commentator on a news program?
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jul 23, 2018 20:46:04 GMT
I have a sincere question. Do any republicans think Trump is doing a good job? Yes. Depending on the poll 72-88% of Republican's are happy with him. Terrifying. I am very uneducated about US politics and I admit that fully, but it seems like you live in two countries. Those who agree and those who don’t. This divisiveness (is that the right word-or is it even a word?) is so strong compared to what we have here. We may not like our PM, but for the most part we all get along.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 23, 2018 20:49:53 GMT
Do you really think it's necessary for John Brennan, or anyone else, to have a top security clearance to be a commentator on a news program? I was wondering about their need for security clearance also, well without the snarky remark suggesting that being a commentator is all they now do. I'll admit I don't know if they are consulted or called back to their agencies and therefore need the clearance for those activities. And the thing is, if he was bringing it up as a security issue, we would all react a lot differently. But he's not, he's doing it because they dared speak negatively about him, and we know this because his press secretary said so. Think about the implications of that for a minute. He is trying to silence people and be vindictive simply because they are speaking out against him. That is the point of the article, and that is what people have the problem with. As we all should, because it's terrifying.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 23, 2018 20:51:11 GMT
Yes. Depending on the poll 72-88% of Republican's are happy with him. Terrifying. I am very uneducated about US politics and I admit that fully, but it seems like you live in two countries. Those who agree and those who don’t. This divisiveness (is that the right word-or is it even a word?) is so strong compared to what we have here. We may not like our PM, but for the most part we all get along. Yes, that is one of the reasons this administration is so bad for the country, they are purposefully devisive because it suits their purpose. The exact opposite of what a true leader does for their country.
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Post by maryannscraps on Jul 23, 2018 20:51:51 GMT
Do you really think it's necessary for John Brennan, or anyone else, to have a top security clearance to be a commentator on a news program? That's not exactly how it works. Security clearances are only valid for the government or private sector work that require it. The clearance means that he has the background checks, personal integrity, and other requirements to hold it. It doesn't mean he gets to read top secret documents while he's a commentator. If he were to get another job that requires a clearance within the next two years, it just means he wouldn't have to start the clearance process from scratch.
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Post by maryannscraps on Jul 23, 2018 20:57:30 GMT
I'm a lot more worried about Jared Kushner's lack of a security clearance. It means he has not passed the background checks that are needed to do his job.
Brennan had the clearance needed to do his job. Trump's trying to revoke it is only a vindictive act. He knows perfectly well that it can't be used.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 23, 2018 20:59:24 GMT
Do you really think it's necessary for John Brennan, or anyone else, to have a top security clearance to be a commentator on a news program? That's not exactly how it works. Security clearances are only valid for the government or private sector work that require it. The clearance means that he has the background checks, personal integrity, and other requirements to hold it. It doesn't mean he gets to read top secret documents while he's a commentator. If he were to get another job that requires a clearance within the next two years, it just means he wouldn't have to start the clearance process from scratch. This is what I suspected, but haven't found a good source for yet. I imagine it's not that they have a secret password they can use to log into a database to see whatever they want, whenever they want. Which, let's face it, is likely the impression the administration is hoping we will come away with so that we are outraged at their access.
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Post by lindas on Jul 23, 2018 21:00:54 GMT
Do you really think it's necessary for John Brennan, or anyone else, to have a top security clearance to be a commentator on a news program? I was wondering about their need for security clearance also, well without the snarky remark suggesting that being a commentator all they now do. I'll admit I don't know if they are consulted or called back to their agencies and therefore need the clearance for those activities. And the thing is, if he was bringing it up as a security issue, we would all react a lot differently. But he's not, he's doing it because they dared speak negatively about him, and we know this because his press secretary said so. Think about the implications of that for a minute. He is trying to silence people and be vindictive simply because they are speaking out against him. That is the point of the article, and that is what people have the problem with. As we all should, because it's terrifying. Pulling their clearance isn't going to stop them from speaking negatively about Trump. It will only keep them from having access to sensitive info they no longer need to know about. I'm not happy if his reason for doing it is strictly to be vindictive but I think he should pull them and I also think it should become policy going forward.
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Post by maryannscraps on Jul 23, 2018 21:02:34 GMT
The State Dept webpage has a good FAQ about security clearances. ETA: I meant to say that those clearances are usually kept in place in case their successors need to consult with them.
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Post by thundergal on Jul 23, 2018 21:06:53 GMT
I don't think many of the ones he mentioned even have security clearances anymore!
Hell, I hope he doesn't revoke MINE...then I can't tell you guys what a complete and total piece of shit I think he is.
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Post by Mystie on Jul 23, 2018 21:08:04 GMT
Yes. Depending on the poll 72-88% of Republican's are happy with him. Terrifying. I am very uneducated about US politics and I admit that fully, but it seems like you live in two countries. Those who agree and those who don’t. This divisiveness (is that the right word-or is it even a word?) is so strong compared to what we have here. We may not like our PM, but for the most part we all get along. Oh, Elannah, we're not just living in two different countries here in the US, we're living in two completely different realities. I can't tell you how unsettling it is.
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Post by busy on Jul 23, 2018 21:10:08 GMT
Do you really think it's necessary for John Brennan, or anyone else, to have a top security clearance to be a commentator on a news program? The article says it allows them to work on projects that require security clearance. Sounds like maintaining security clearance is standard operating procedure in these kinds of roles. Removing them for petty personal reasons is exactly that - petty. Surely they are subject to the same renewals and scrutiny as anyone else with that level of clearance.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 23, 2018 21:11:51 GMT
That's not exactly how it works. Security clearances are only valid for the government or private sector work that require it. The clearance means that he has the background checks, personal integrity, and other requirements to hold it. It doesn't mean he gets to read top secret documents while he's a commentator. If he were to get another job that requires a clearance within the next two years, it just means he wouldn't have to start the clearance process from scratch. Some 'retirees' still have a lot of classified/etc info in their brains... Security is important... Just think of hat dt will be walking away with when/however he leaves. That is scary too! ETA: Just thinking how many have left dt's administration with information they should not have or used............?!?!?! AND he is the biggest leaker!
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Post by dewryce on Jul 23, 2018 21:21:10 GMT
I was wondering about their need for security clearance also, well without the snarky remark suggesting that being a commentator all they now do. I'll admit I don't know if they are consulted or called back to their agencies and therefore need the clearance for those activities. And the thing is, if he was bringing it up as a security issue, we would all react a lot differently. But he's not, he's doing it because they dared speak negatively about him, and we know this because his press secretary said so. Think about the implications of that for a minute. He is trying to silence people and be vindictive simply because they are speaking out against him. That is the point of the article, and that is what people have the problem with. As we all should, because it's terrifying. Pulling their clearance isn't going to stop them from speaking negatively about Trump. It will only keep them from having access to sensitive info they no longer need to know about. I'm not happy if his reason for doing it is strictly to be vindictive but I think he should pull them and I also think it should become policy going forward. We know their reasons for doing it, SHS told us. The fact that they are criticizing the president should absolutely not have been part of their decision making process, much less be the main catalyst for the decision. But it was and this is a terrible precedent to set. I also haven't seen the reason for them keeping their clearance, if they have real need to use it. I suspect it may be for consulting, possibly even with our government, but can't find anything definitive. Have you? I'd love a source because I'm coming up with nadda. It seems like you're not happy with their methods, but you'll accept them if you like the outcome. The other reason SHS indicated, was that they were using it for monetary gain. That's a serious accusation to make, and she just floated it without details. Why? This administration routinely does this, it undermines those that speak out against them so the public is less likely to believe them. No matter the cost. See: how they've treated our intelligence agencies from the first whiff that Trump was being investigated. All to protect him. At what point do we draw the line?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 23, 2018 21:23:02 GMT
All to protect him. At what point do we draw the line? We can draw the line but Congress won't.
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Post by busy on Jul 23, 2018 21:24:38 GMT
Pulling their clearance isn't going to stop them from speaking negatively about Trump. It will only keep them from having access to sensitive info they no longer need to know about. I'm not happy if his reason for doing it is strictly to be vindictive but I think he should pull them and I also think it should become policy going forward. We know their reasons for doing it, SHS told us. The fact that they are criticizing the president should absolutely not have been part of their decision making process, much less be the main catalyst for the decision. But it was and this is a terrible precedent to set. I also haven't seen the reason for them keeping their clearance, if they have real need to use it. I suspect it may be for consulting, possibly even with our government, but can't find anything definitive. Have you? I'd love a source because I'm coming up with nadda. It seems like you're not happy with their methods, but you'll accept them if you like the outcome. The other reason SHS indicated, was that they were using it for monetary gain. That's a serious accusation to make, and she just floated it without details. Why? This administration routinely does this, it undermines those that speak out against them so the public is less likely to believe them. No matter the cost. See: how they've treated our intelligence agencies from the first whiff that Trump was being investigated. All to protect him. At what point do we draw the line? I don’t necessarily think it’s a serious allegation (though the way she says it makes it sound scandalous). Lots of retired government officials consult with various organizations/contractors and of course are paid for it. Their security clearance allows them to work on projects where their experience and knowledge are of most value.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 23, 2018 21:35:11 GMT
We know their reasons for doing it, SHS told us. The fact that they are criticizing the president should absolutely not have been part of their decision making process, much less be the main catalyst for the decision. But it was and this is a terrible precedent to set. I also haven't seen the reason for them keeping their clearance, if they have real need to use it. I suspect it may be for consulting, possibly even with our government, but can't find anything definitive. Have you? I'd love a source because I'm coming up with nadda. It seems like you're not happy with their methods, but you'll accept them if you like the outcome. The other reason SHS indicated, was that they were using it for monetary gain. That's a serious accusation to make, and she just floated it without details. Why? This administration routinely does this, it undermines those that speak out against them so the public is less likely to believe them. No matter the cost. See: how they've treated our intelligence agencies from the first whiff that Trump was being investigated. All to protect him. At what point do we draw the line? I don’t necessarily think it’s a serious allegation (though the way she says it makes it sound scandalous). Lots of retired government officials consult with various organizations/contractors and of course are paid for it. Their security clearance allows them to work on projects where their experience and knowledge are of most value. Her implication was that it was an inappropriate use of their clearance. Otherwise, how is that a reason to remove it? I understand that what they are doing is completely above board, as do you and most of the people in these threads I imagine. But the way she stated it purposefully made it seem like their use of their clearance wasn't, it was as you stated, somehow scandalous. I don't think most of what comes out of their mouths is actually going to come to pass, or even has any real merit. But that's not the case for a surprisingly large portion of our population and it infuriates me that they routinely throw out BS allegations like this...and get away with it.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 23, 2018 22:32:48 GMT
Do you really think it's necessary for John Brennan, or anyone else, to have a top security clearance to be a commentator on a news program? No, but that’s not the point. He is almost certainly doing this to get back at people who have shown themselves to be trustworthy, hard-working, competent people. He is doing this because being petty is in his DNA. He out-Nixons Nixon.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 23, 2018 22:43:29 GMT
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