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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 7, 2018 0:41:12 GMT
There seems to be more outrage over kneeling to protest police brutality, or a private company selecting that individual to represent them in a advertising campaign, than there is at children being slaughtered in schools, or children held in cages and separated from their parents. We so have the First Amendment that allows for peaceful protest. It is an American right to protest as you chose. The flag is a symbol of our Country, and does not define whether you support the military and policemen. Twisting this protest by CK as an attack on the military rather than as an objection that many people of color are not treating equally is a one sided view. You have a right to not support Nike, or support the NFL or protest in any way you choose. But it says a lot about your views if this upsets you more than the other issues that are facing this country at this time. 👍 |
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Post by marimoose on Sept 7, 2018 1:16:14 GMT
I saw part of the ad today on the View. I really liked it. Me too. It is about so much more than CK and it is a shame that so many are overlooking that. Like a dog with a bone, very centered only on that item😕. Nike makes a great product, have for many years. Their running tights are about the only ones that fit me and like swimsuit or bra shopping, not a fun task so I am going to continue purchasing from them even if they put Trump’s face on their campaigns. Won’t affect the product. |
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Post by stampbooker on Sept 7, 2018 1:27:15 GMT
I'm posting late, and haven't read yet, but just wanted to chime in and say I was THRILLED when I heard this news today! I have never purchased anything Nike before, but since I need some new workout gear anyway I will be proudly wearing some Nike apparel soon!
Julie
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Post by tara on Sept 7, 2018 1:30:50 GMT
Really because that’s all I’m hearing from the haters. Btw I know a few people who look rich but have no money in the bank. It’s not how much you make. It’s how much you spend. We don’t know how much money he has. REALLY... yes REALLY.. I don't HATE CK or anyone..well there is someone on this board that I come close to hating... But I appreciate the adult answers from freecharlie and pycckuI noticed you didn’t answer my question. Did Kaepernick hurt anybody? |
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 7, 2018 1:32:50 GMT
I saw part of the ad today on the View. I really liked it. Me too. It is about so much more than CK and it is a shame that so many are overlooking that. Like a dog with a bone, very centered only on that item😕. Nike makes a great product, have for many years. Their running tights are about the only ones that fit me and like swimsuit or bra shopping, not a fun task so I am going to continue purchasing from them even if they put Trump’s face on their campaigns. Won’t affect the product. So you clearly didn't see the picture Don Jr. posted. It was an older one because he didn't have his usual vagina neck. (That always creeps me out.) |
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 7, 2018 1:33:54 GMT
I'm posting late, and haven't read yet, but just wanted to chime in and say I was THRILLED when I heard this news today! I have never purchased anything Nike before, but since I need some new workout gear anyway I will be proudly wearing some Nike apparel soon! Julie Whaaaaat? Nike is a staple in our house. I even kept wearing it after Tiger's downfall. |
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Post by marimoose on Sept 7, 2018 1:41:25 GMT
Me too. It is about so much more than CK and it is a shame that so many are overlooking that. Like a dog with a bone, very centered only on that item😕. Nike makes a great product, have for many years. Their running tights are about the only ones that fit me and like swimsuit or bra shopping, not a fun task so I am going to continue purchasing from them even if they put Trump’s face on their campaigns. Won’t affect the product. So you clearly didn't see the picture Don Jr. posted. It was an older one because he didn't have his usual vagina neck. (That always creeps me out.) Ewww, no I missed it. Almost afraid to go look for it  |
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Post by christine58 on Sept 7, 2018 2:06:29 GMT
REALLY... yes REALLY.. I don't HATE CK or anyone..well there is someone on this board that I come close to hating... But I appreciate the adult answers from freecharlie and pycckuI noticed you didn’t answer my question. Did Kaepernick hurt anybody? I didn’t answer your question about whether he had “harmed” anyone because I NEVER said he did. |
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Post by Zee on Sept 7, 2018 2:10:59 GMT
Can someone who has NO issue with CK and this ad please tell me WHAT HE has sacrificed?? PLEASE... I like the message just not the messenger Look how he's been vilified right here in this thread and think real hard. Now multiply that by the population of the US and think again. I'm guessing you don't really like "the message" at all or you'd at least be willing to concede that his method has gotten people to think and discuss, if nothing else. Focus on what he's bringing attention to and see if it makes more sense. ETA sorry for my bitchy tone. This discussion makes me irritable. |
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Post by scrapngranny on Sept 7, 2018 2:11:49 GMT
With all of the crap going on with Trump and complicit Congress why do we given a damn about Nike, Kaepernick, or the NFL. Keep our eyes on the ball, and that’s not a football.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 7, 2018 2:20:35 GMT
With all of the crap going on with Trump and complicit Congress why do we given a damn about Nike, Kaepernick, or the NFL. Keep our eyes on the ball, and that’s not a football. ding ding ding |
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 7, 2018 2:23:48 GMT
REALLY... yes REALLY.. I don't HATE CK or anyone..well there is someone on this board that I come close to hating... But I appreciate the adult answers from freecharlie and pycckuI noticed you didn’t answer my question. Did Kaepernick hurt anybody? people make judgements all the time with actually having harmed anybody. One side doesn't get to be 100% right. There is room to see the other side. And if there isn't, then imo, you a part of the problem. |
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Post by tara on Sept 7, 2018 2:48:24 GMT
I noticed you didn’t answer my question. Did Kaepernick hurt anybody? people make judgements all the time with actually having harmed anybody. One side doesn't get to be 100% right. There is room to see the other side. And if there isn't, then imo, you a part of the problem. Everybody makes judgements but the normal people will say “that guy’s an asshole” then go on. But calling for people to lose their jobs, sending death threats, hate mail, burning clothes with that persons name on it, that’s going beyond the pale. Heck I feel even the nazis in Charlottesville had the right to be there. I hated their message but if we tried to shut them up then we will be made to shut up eventually. That is until one ran a woman down with a car. |
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Post by tara on Sept 7, 2018 2:51:52 GMT
With all of the crap going on with Trump and complicit Congress why do we given a damn about Nike, Kaepernick, or the NFL. Keep our eyes on the ball, and that’s not a football. [ Yep. I’m sure trump is loving all the attention on Nike. It takes away some of the attention off of all his problems. |
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Post by tara on Sept 7, 2018 2:59:30 GMT
I noticed you didn’t answer my question. Did Kaepernick hurt anybody? I didn’t answer your question about whether he had “harmed” anyone because I NEVER said he did. If he didn’t harm anyone then why all the hatred? Notice I didn’t say YOU hated but you can’t deny he does get a lot of hate. Why? |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 7, 2018 3:22:19 GMT
Yup. Admittedly, I have never understood the need for public flag reverence at sporting events (why not concerts, plays, movies?), but what is truly baffling is the insistence on interpreting any flag-based protest (actually, the athlete kneeling seems more like a mourning) as explicitly disrespecting veterans. Why don’t we recognize the myriad of other concepts equally represented in our “logo,” including equal opportunity and freedom from oppression...or even just plain freedom, our supposed dearest value, as this same flag flew over a slave nation, and we’re still dealing with the repercussions. Or not dealing, which is kind of the point. I have no idea what manner of protest would be acceptable in such a politically charged Us Against Them climate. Because how can people‘s eyes be opened to systemic oppression when so many of them are suckling their own lopsided interpretation of oppression/persecution? addressing the flag at sporting, but not other events: The anthem starting being played at baseball games during world war II as a symbol of patriotism and unity. Okay, that’s another sporting event. I’m perplexed by why before only sporting events. Why not before other entertainment crowds attend like movies, plays, concerts? At the Olympics or the World Cup? Sure, teams are representing countries. It’s a rallying moment that I believe has more to do with identity and allegiance than patriotism. Or maybe nationalism over patriotism, which doesn’t always end well, but still. It works, thematically. But to usher in a game between the Green Bay Packers and the Chicago Bears? And then pick and choose acceptable displays of reverence? Including men wearing hats and swilling beer who start to hoot’n’holler nine measures before the song is over? Or because of the holy alliance of Flag, Faith, Family, Football? Sounds more like tribalism. And now it’s morphed into political tribalism, encouraged by the president. (F)Phooey. |
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 7, 2018 3:28:22 GMT
With all of the crap going on with Trump and complicit Congress why do we given a damn about Nike, Kaepernick, or the NFL. Keep our eyes on the ball, and that’s not a football. ding ding ding One of my favorite comments on FB about the whole thing was "When people care more about a sporting company's advertisement than children getting shot in schools..." It really hits you (or it did me). |
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 7, 2018 3:51:24 GMT
addressing the flag at sporting, but not other events: The anthem starting being played at baseball games during world war II as a symbol of patriotism and unity. Okay, that’s another sporting event. I’m perplexed by why before only sporting events. Why not before other entertainment crowds attend like movies, plays, concerts? At the Olympics or the World Cup? Sure, teams are representing countries. It’s a rallying moment that I believe has more to do with identity and allegiance than patriotism. Or maybe nationalism over patriotism, which doesn’t always end well, but still. It works, thematically. But to usher in a game between the Green Bay Packers and the Chicago Bears? And then pick and choose acceptable displays of reverence? Including men wearing hats and swilling beer who start to hoot’n’holler nine measures before the song is over? Or because of the holy alliance of Flag, Faith, Family, Football? Sounds more like tribalism. And now it’s morphed into political tribalism, encouraged by the president. (F)Phooey. perhaps to symbolize unity before a game as then there are opposing sides. Or to unite the fans. My best guess though, is that when played for patriotic reasons during the war, it brought people together. It should respect to those fighting while others got to watch a game. It spread to other sports and became a tradition. There is no conflict in a movie or a play or a concert. Everybody is there to enjoy the spectacle and nobody takes sides. There is no need to unite and thus no anthem. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Sept 7, 2018 5:36:11 GMT
addressing the flag at sporting, but not other events: The anthem starting being played at baseball games during world war II as a symbol of patriotism and unity. Okay, that’s another sporting event. I’m perplexed by why before only sporting events. Why not before other entertainment crowds attend like movies, plays, concerts? At the Olympics or the World Cup? Sure, teams are representing countries. It’s a rallying moment that I believe has more to do with identity and allegiance than patriotism. Or maybe nationalism over patriotism, which doesn’t always end well, but still. It works, thematically. But to usher in a game between the Green Bay Packers and the Chicago Bears? And then pick and choose acceptable displays of reverence? Including men wearing hats and swilling beer who start to hoot’n’holler nine measures before the song is over? Or because of the holy alliance of Flag, Faith, Family, Football? Sounds more like tribalism. And now it’s morphed into political tribalism, encouraged by the president. (F)Phooey. The National Anthem was sung at a concert I went to August 30th. It’s also played at our county fair every morning. And at our dog shows every morning. |
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Post by used2scrap on Feb 15, 2019 3:05:26 GMT
I’ve got to say, the fashion designer who draped a model in the American flag to Don Jr and his Fox News girlfriend’s approval seems far more disrespectful then a man taking a respectful knee in protest in a country born of protest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 14:24:21 GMT
Well, better late than never. But not much better in this case you racist greedy asses
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell Admits League Incorrectly Handled Kneeling Protests
"NFL commissioner Roger Goodell admitted in video posted to Twitter on Friday that the league should’ve listened to players’ protests against racism and police brutality earlier, and expressed support on behalf of the NFL for the Black Lives Matter movement."
Ya think?!?!?!
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 6, 2020 16:23:50 GMT
Well, there are some poster's on this thread whose opinions haven't aged well.
Goodall still hasn't done enough. He needs to apologize personally to Kaepernick, you know, using his name. All Goodall is doing with his generic apology is to calm down his employees. Considering that about 70% of football players are black he had to say something. His bank account depends on it.
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Post by Olan on Jun 6, 2020 16:32:00 GMT
Well, there are some poster's on this thread whose opinions haven't aged well. Goodall still hasn't done enough. He needs to apologize personally to Kaepernick, you know, using his name. All Goodall is doing with his generic apology is to calm down his employees. Considering that about 70% of football players are black he had to say something. His bank account depends on it. A lot of pea opinions haven’t aged well. I’m sure it’s why folks hate it when I bump old threads and would love it if I was banned or stopped posting. www.knowyourrightscamp.com/who-we-arewww.cnn.com/2020/04/17/us/colin-kaepernick-coronavirus-donation-spt-trnd/index.html |
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Post by purplebee on Jun 6, 2020 16:48:44 GMT
Well, there are some poster's on this thread whose opinions haven't aged well. Goodall still hasn't done enough. He needs to apologize personally to Kaepernick, you know, using his name. All Goodall is doing with his generic apology is to calm down his employees. Considering that about 70% of football players are black he had to say something. His bank account depends on it. Agree that a blanket apology is not enough. Sadly, it’s all about the money. |
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Post by andreasmom on Jun 6, 2020 16:57:54 GMT
Well, better late than never. But not much better in this case you racist greedy asses NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell Admits League Incorrectly Handled Kneeling Protests "NFL commissioner Roger Goodell admitted in video posted to Twitter on Friday that the league should’ve listened to players’ protests against racism and police brutality earlier, and expressed support on behalf of the NFL for the Black Lives Matter movement."Ya think?!?!?! A little too late and too vague. He needs to apologize to CK. |
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Post by ntsf on Jun 6, 2020 17:13:02 GMT
and colin is still not employed..
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 6, 2020 17:27:32 GMT
I'm not impressed with his statement.
I do think this video from the players is powerful.
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