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Post by tara on Sept 4, 2018 3:11:20 GMT
Kneeling is not disrespectful. Yeah, just go on telling yourself that; that Kapernick had his own way of being respectful to the flag during the National Anthem and meant no disrespect.  A green beret suggested taking a knee instead of sitting during the anthem. When my son played high school football. He took a knee when one of his teammates was hurt on the field. In the military you took a knee for your fallen comrades. I would think a green beret would have the utmost respect for the flag. |
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Post by ntsf on Sept 4, 2018 3:11:34 GMT
well.. not hiring colin back was a big mistake for the 49ers.. and they can't give away seats now... we all knew why he was protesting.. and it had nothing to do with the army and everything to do with upholding the american ideals of everyone being treated equally.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 3:12:31 GMT
He whined and moaned when no teams would pick him up. He's considering suing the NFL. He's bemoaning the fact that he is being faced with the consequences of his actions. Don't the liberals here say that everyone has the right to freedom of expression but not to be free from the consequences of that speech? I know I've seen said here repeatedly. Seems the attitude changes when the person speaking out is saying something you agree with as opposed to something you don't. The fact is he squealed like a baby when he found that he was no longer attractive to any team because of the negative publicity and controversy he brought with him and he pouted and said "I'll sue" and of course the typical "racism" claim was made. IMO, that's not staying strong. That's being a baby. Ok, so we have different ideas of what being strong is. For you, it meant 'goes away quietly'. For me, it means 'doesn't back down'. A lawsuit, in this case, would be a sign of strength for me. Anyone can file a suit. Anyone at all. Winning it is another matter. And yes, we clearly have a different idea of strong. |
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 3:14:33 GMT
well.. not hiring colin back was a big mistake for the 49ers.. and they can't give away seats now... we all knew why he was protesting.. and it had nothing to do with the army and everything to do with upholding the american ideals of everyone being treated equally. The entire NFL was having this problem following Kapernick's antics and the leagues failure to take action. So now we're down to one team doing poorly. Seems like things are looking up. |
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Post by dewryce on Sept 4, 2018 3:14:50 GMT
Kneeling is not disrespectful. In fact, on the playing field it has been used as a sign of respect and good wishes for an injured player. I never see that mentioned. |
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Post by likescarrots on Sept 4, 2018 3:15:33 GMT
I am now a Nike customer. Fully support Kaepernick. How on earth is the Serena ad controversial? Oh, I didn’t mean to imply Serena’s is controversial - in my head, I was thinking about Kap’s ad- but I totally see how my post reads that Serena’s is also causing a kerfuffle. the one posted above wasn't that controversial, however this one was because it's Nike standing up to officials of a major athletic tournament. (Spoilered because I'm on my phone and unsure of the size) |
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Post by busy on Sept 4, 2018 3:16:28 GMT
The ad copy states perfectly why I admire him. Not many people are that strong in their convictions. Most people would have given in to the pressure. If you follow the news, Colin did not stay strong. He's even considering suing the NFL. He simply never believed that anything would happen to him for being so disrespectful of the flag. Now he's in a position where he has no choice about whether or not her plays. Yes, he did stay strong. He could have given in and kneeled. If you followed the news, you’d know that he’s not considering suing the NFL - he is, and has a pretty good case. And there was a pretty significant step forward in his case last week. www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html |
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 3:16:35 GMT
Kneeling during the National Anthem is not a sign of respect no matter how much you try to spin it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 3:18:22 GMT
Hmmm, I don't recall Obama staying silent. But then, I'm sure you will find a way to claim "that's different". And fwiw, I'm glad that the president of the United States had something to say about football player making millions of dollars in the US being disrespectful of the flag and the country that gave him the opportunity to become rich. Talk about deaf ears. After reading your comments I understand a bit better why racism is still such a problem in this country. |
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 3:19:51 GMT
If you follow the news, Colin did not stay strong. He's even considering suing the NFL. He simply never believed that anything would happen to him for being so disrespectful of the flag. Now he's in a position where he has no choice about whether or not her plays. Yes, he did stay strong. He could have given in and kneeled. If you followed the news, you’d know that he’s not considering suing the NFL - he is, and has a pretty good case. And there was a pretty significant step forward in his case last week. www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html1. I'm not a sports fan so you'll have to excuse me for not followin gthe news. 2. According to that article, all Kapernick was given was the right to a full hearing. That has no bearing on whether or not he'll win. Just that his case wasn't thrown out right at the beginning. I have no idea who will preside at that hearing but if it's an Obama appointed judge, then I'm sure Kapernick will win; regardless of the merits of his case. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 3:21:13 GMT
well.. not hiring colin back was a big mistake for the 49ers.. and they can't give away seats now... we all knew why he was protesting.. and it had nothing to do with the army and everything to do with upholding the american ideals of everyone being treated equally. I think the mistake was made when they traded Alex Smith and kept Colin. While he may not be my favorite quarterback I do respect what he has done and yes, he has paid a price for it. |
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Post by nurseypants on Sept 4, 2018 3:23:08 GMT
I wonder if someone’s spouse has left someone yet. I wonder if that’s why someone spends his/her time goading the peas.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 3:23:24 GMT
Hmmm, I don't recall Obama staying silent. But then, I'm sure you will find a way to claim "that's different". And fwiw, I'm glad that the president of the United States had something to say about football player making millions of dollars in the US being disrespectful of the flag and the country that gave him the opportunity to become rich. Talk about deaf ears. After reading your comments I understand a bit better why racism is still such a problem in this country. It's not. The problem is that the word racism has been used so often and when so clearly unmerited that it no longer carries the stigma or the cringe factor that it once did. Do you know that in these days even have facial hair has been deemed racist? PB&J is racist. Hoop earrings are racist. It's laughable and what you've done is just the opposite of what you had hoped to do....the vast majority of people you call racist no longer care. We shrug our shoulders and chuckle. The tragedy is that true forms of racism will most likely never get the attention they deserve because people like you have made the word commensurate with the boy who cried wolf. |
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 3:24:15 GMT
I wonder if someone’s spouse has left someone yet. I wonder if that’s why someone spends his/her time goading the peas. My husband is still here. And from where I'm sitting, it's you who are doing the goading. I'm just having the temerity to disagree with your viewpoint. Now if I were one of those who high-fived every negative Trump comment, you'd be welcoming me with open arms and digs about spouses would never come out of your mouth. |
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Post by busy on Sept 4, 2018 3:24:48 GMT
1. I'm not a sports fan so you'll have to excuse me for not followin gthe news. 2. According to that article, all Kapernick was given was the right to a full hearing. That has no bearing on whether or not he'll win. Just that his case wasn't thrown out right at the beginning. I have no idea who will preside at that hearing but if it's an Obama appointed judge, then I'm sure Kapernick will win; regardless of the merits of his case. 1. If you’re not a sports fan, why the fuck do you care about any of this? 2. Before you accuse someone else of not being informed about a subject, maybe you should know what you’re talking about. 3. Gee, thanks so much for clarifying that getting a hearing doesn’t mean he’ll win. Your brilliant legal mind never ceases to amaze me. 4. I don’t know why I bothered to try to have a conversation. Engaging with you is beyond pointless. |
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 3:26:57 GMT
1. I'm not a sports fan so you'll have to excuse me for not followin gthe news. 2. According to that article, all Kapernick was given was the right to a full hearing. That has no bearing on whether or not he'll win. Just that his case wasn't thrown out right at the beginning. I have no idea who will preside at that hearing but if it's an Obama appointed judge, then I'm sure Kapernick will win; regardless of the merits of his case. 1. If you’re not a sports fan, why the fuck do you care about any of this? 2. Before you accuse someone else of not being informed about a subject, maybe you should know what you’re talking about. 3. Gee, thanks so much for clarifying that getting a hearing doesn’t mean he’ll win. Your brilliant legal mind never ceases to amaze me. 4. I don’t know why I bothered to try to have a conversation. Engaging with you is beyond pointless. 1. Because it's being discussed here. Why the fuck do you care which threads I post on? 2. No idea what your talking about. 3. Any adult who's had even a few weeks of civics class understands enough of our legal system to make the comment I did. So thank you for your praise of my legal mind. 4. Don't bother than. It's no loss to me if you choose to not respond to my posts. You're not interested in conversation. You want me to agree that you're right and I'm wrong and when you can't get me to do that you hairflip. So bye-bye. |
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Post by tara on Sept 4, 2018 3:27:44 GMT
You mean the country that made Trumps daddy rich and Trump dodged the draft because he didn’t want to go fight for it? You keep saying this as if somehow it's supposed to bother me. I did not make a mistake electing Trump. If faced today with the choice of voting for him or for Hillary, I'd do it again; and again; and again. Your side lost the election when you gave in to the idea that she was entitled to be elected and ignored all of her faults and the animosity she created. Your own blindness played a large part in Trumps election. Your insistence of vilifying Republicans will likely lead to his re-election. I don’t think I said Republicans. I said people and people like you. I was also a conservative and didn’t think that much of Hillary but I saw through Trump and his evil. You came on this thread asking questions but you don’t want to answer our questions. We always hear the same things from you. Edit because of hear instead of here. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 3:27:45 GMT
Talk about deaf ears. After reading your comments I understand a bit better why racism is still such a problem in this country. It's not. The problem is that the word racism has been used so often and when so clearly unmerited that it no longer carries the stigma or the cringe factor that it once did. Do you know that in these days even have facial hair has been deemed racist? PB&J is racist. Hoop earrings are racist. It's laughable and what you've done is just the opposite of what you had hoped to do....the vast majority of people you call racist no longer care. We shrug our shoulders and chuckle. The tragedy is that true forms of racism will most likely never get the attention they deserve because people like you have made the word commensurate with the boy who cried wolf. Do you even know or understand why he kneeled or does your deaf years extend to that as well? |
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Post by PaperAngel on Sept 4, 2018 3:29:33 GMT
I like Colin Kaepernick as the face of Nike's anniversary (& also the new Serena Williams ad)! IMHO Nike has grown to be an industry leader because the corporation knows its customer base. I predict both Nike & Kaepernick will financially benefit from this campaign.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 3:29:56 GMT
You keep saying this as if somehow it's supposed to bother me. I did not make a mistake electing Trump. If faced today with the choice of voting for him or for Hillary, I'd do it again; and again; and again. Your side lost the election when you gave in to the idea that she was entitled to be elected and ignored all of her faults and the animosity she created. Your own blindness played a large part in Trumps election. Your insistence of vilifying Republicans will likely lead to his re-election. I don’t think I said Republicans. I said people and people like you. I was also a conservative and didn’t think that much of Hillary but I saw through Trump and his evil. You came on this thread asking questions but you don’t want to answer our questions. We always here the same things from you. Only one person gave an answer; and it wasn't you. And if you want to talk about always hearing the same thing, take a look at the "I hate Trump", "Trump's evil", "Trump supporters are duped" mantras you and others post several times daily and have done so for the last 20 months. |
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 3:31:17 GMT
I like Colin Kaepernick as the face of Nike's anniversary (& also the new Serena Williams ad)! IMHO Nike has grown to be an industry leader because the corporation knows its customer base. I predict both Nike & Kaepernick will financially benefit from this campaign. Well Kapernick certainly will. Whether or not Nike does is yet to be seen. |
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Post by pjaye on Sept 4, 2018 3:31:25 GMT
I will never forgive Nike for hiring Michael Vick.
Never bought a single thing from them since and never will.
Obviously they are trying again to gain publicity by being controversial.
I happen to agree with the political statement they are making in this instance, but it will never be enough to change my negative opinion of the company and forgive them for Vick.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 3:33:04 GMT
Pjaye, I respect you for your integrity. Sadly, you are a rarity here and in the world in general.
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Post by tara on Sept 4, 2018 3:38:26 GMT
I don’t think I said Republicans. I said people and people like you. I was also a conservative and didn’t think that much of Hillary but I saw through Trump and his evil. You came on this thread asking questions but you don’t want to answer our questions. We always here the same things from you. Only one person gave an answer; and it wasn't you. And if you want to talk about always hearing the same thing, take a look at the "I hate Trump", "Trump's evil", "Trump supporters are duped" mantras you and others post several times daily and have done so for the last 20 months. Yes you got your answer and a lot of us didn’t want to post just to post ditto. I didn’t get my answer tho. why villify one person but not the other? |
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Post by PLurker on Sept 4, 2018 3:38:34 GMT
The nfl/kneeling goes hand in hand to all those online complaining and posting memes about what's wrong with these days is the pledge isn't said in school. Or prayer is banned.
Neither is true. Most schools that I'm aware of still have the pledge recited every morning. Students have free will to participate or sit quietly and do other things, silent prayer included.
Free will.
Forced patriotism isn't really patrotism.
I would rather everyone be in a place that they want to "be patriotic" - not forced.
Makes no sense.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 3:40:11 GMT
Only one person gave an answer; and it wasn't you. And if you want to talk about always hearing the same thing, take a look at the "I hate Trump", "Trump's evil", "Trump supporters are duped" mantras you and others post several times daily and have done so for the last 20 months. Yes you got your answer and a lot of us didn’t want to post just to post ditto. I didn’t get my answer tho. why villify one person but not the other? And I responded to the one person who actually answered my question. And I did so respectfully. I thanked that person and indicated I didn't agree. So what's your beef? And which two people are you referring to?. |
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Post by PLurker on Sept 4, 2018 3:44:02 GMT
I will never forgive Nike for hiring Michael Vick. Never bought a single thing from them since and never will. Obviously they are trying again to gain publicity by being controversial. I happen to agree with the political statement they are making in this instance, but it will never be enough to change my negative opinion of the company and forgive them for Vick. I am unaware of the past campaign with Vick. I can't even speak of all Nikes business practices. Being that they are a huge company I am sure there are things I would not agree with. I am only speaking of this ad campaign, which I agree with. I admire you for sticking to your guns, too, pjaye |
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Post by tara on Sept 4, 2018 3:48:32 GMT
Yes you got your answer and a lot of us didn’t want to post just to post ditto. I didn’t get my answer tho. why villify one person but not the other? And I responded to the one person who actually answered my question. And I did so respectfully. I thanked that person and indicated I didn't agree. So what's your beef? And which two people are you referring to?. My question was why are some people including you so against Colin whatever his name is but be so pro Trump who is a five time draft dodger who disrespected a war hero? |
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Post by Skellinton on Sept 4, 2018 3:49:04 GMT
I will never forgive Nike for hiring Michael Vick. Never bought a single thing from them since and never will. Obviously they are trying again to gain publicity by being controversial. I happen to agree with the political statement they are making in this instance, but it will never be enough to change my negative opinion of the company and forgive them for Vick. I have never liked or supported Nike for a myriad of reasons, but the Vick hiring sealed the deal for me as well. I also agree with the statement they are making and I love the Serena Williams ad, but Nike is a terrible company. |
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Post by LiLi on Sept 4, 2018 3:49:11 GMT
Fair and balanced. What a hoot. The tragic part is that you really believe that crap about yourself. Nike crunched the numbers but they may have wanted to check with Starbucks and other companies that decided they didn't need conservative money and then quickly discovered how wrong they were. Are you somehow upset that a conservative came back, Sarah? I was kind of hoping that some of the libtards like you would have found a modicum of the decency and acceptance you love to profess having (although we all understand that it only applies if people agree with you and your viewpoints). In any event, I will continue to come and go as I please. And fwiw, I have found another forum. But sometimes it's interesting to come and see if you've become any better. Why does this discussion have to be one you turn to a personal attack? |
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