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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 3:51:21 GMT
I don't equate a politician with a professional athlete.
IMO, John McCain threw the first punch against Trump and knowing Trump he should have expected a quick and dirty response. Do I thing Trump should have done it? No. But then I don't equate John McCain with the United States of America or it's flag either.
So, when Trump kneels during the playing of the national anthem, then you can't ask if I'm against him the same way I was with Kapernick.
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Post by Skellinton on Sept 4, 2018 3:51:38 GMT
Fair and balanced. What a hoot. The tragic part is that you really believe that crap about yourself. Nike crunched the numbers but they may have wanted to check with Starbucks and other companies that decided they didn't need conservative money and then quickly discovered how wrong they were. Are you somehow upset that a conservative came back, Sarah? I was kind of hoping that some of the libtards like you would have found a modicum of the decency and acceptance you love to profess having (although we all understand that it only applies if people agree with you and your viewpoints). In any event, I will continue to come and go as I please. And fwiw, I have found another forum. But sometimes it's interesting to come and see if you've become any better. Why does this discussion have to be one you turn to a personal attack? All her discussions (except the fluff threads she posts after disappearing in a huff for a bit and right before she comes back belittling people and announcing her superiority) turn to personal attacks. That is what she does.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 3:55:44 GMT
Bite me. The personal attack was first made by Sarah H.
But then, you know that. It just doesn't matter to you. You'll twist it all to suit the recording in your head. That's what you do.
And I'll post on fluff threads and/or political threads as and how I please. What makes me smile is that it clearly bothers you but there's nothing you can do about it.
Off to a fluff thread now.
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Post by LiLi on Sept 4, 2018 4:00:06 GMT
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Post by trollie on Sept 4, 2018 4:00:50 GMT
Nope, kneeling is not disrespectful, it is a sign of reverence. You kneel when you pray, a man kneels to propose marriage, the list goes on....
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 4:02:14 GMT
As I said, keep on telling yourself that kneeling during the National Anthem is a sign of respect. Even Kapernick doesn't make that claim but if it makes you feel better.....
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Post by trollie on Sept 4, 2018 4:05:15 GMT
I don't need to feel better. I know the truth. You my friend, are dead wrong on this one. Peace.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 4:05:53 GMT
Back atcha.
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Post by tara on Sept 4, 2018 4:07:16 GMT
I don't equate a politician with a professional athlete. IMO, John McCain threw the first punch against Trump and knowing Trump he should have expected a quick and dirty response. Do I thing Trump should have done it? No. But then I don't equate John McCain with the United States of America or it's flag either. So, when Trump kneels during the playing of the national anthem, then you can't ask if I'm against him the same way I was with Kapernick. Lol you would think a president would have a lot more love for our country than a professional athlete. Trumps past does not show that. Trump should have never went were he went with McCain. Saying his hero’s are the ones who don’t get captured or something like that! How many years was McCain a prisoner fighting for our country? The man you don’t equate with our country? Was it five? While Trump dodged the draft five times. A dirty response is right!
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 4:10:57 GMT
No matter how many times you say he dodged the draft (and I think your most recent post makes 6 times in this thread alone) is not going to sway me to your point of view.
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Post by tara on Sept 4, 2018 4:14:53 GMT
As I said, keep on telling yourself that kneeling during the National Anthem is a sign of respect. Even Kapernick doesn't make that claim but if it makes you feel better..... I totally agree and honor why he is protesting. Myself I wouldn’t go that way but I support the reason why he is doing it. What I don’t agree with are the people who want to take away his right to protest. Slippery slope. Once you take away one right you give up them all. Your rights and mine.
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Post by tara on Sept 4, 2018 4:16:38 GMT
No matter how many times you say he dodged the draft (and I think your most recent post makes 6 times in this thread alone) is not going to sway me to your point of view. 00 Lol covering your ears. I’m not listening. I’m not listening.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 4:17:02 GMT
No one has taken away his right to protest. He hasn't been arrested or jailed by the government. In fact, the government has taken no action at all with respect to him.
The right to protest doesn't guarantee you that a private individual or corporation won't be offended by your action and decide they want nothing to do with you any more.
There is no slippery slope. The "rights" you speak of are given in the Constitution and are meant to protect us from the government. It's not a get out of jail free card from any any all repercussions of your actions.
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Post by seaexplore on Sept 4, 2018 4:18:51 GMT
Kapernick is an asshat.
Serena is awesome.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 4, 2018 4:19:08 GMT
Ya know.... I really just don't care.
I thought I might, but I don't.
Taking a knee during the Star Spangled Banner is disrespectful to the wrong people for the wrong reasons along with being against the rules the NFL imposed on other players, and for those reasons this form of protest for Kaepernick is not something I agree with.
Overall, I found the ad in the OP to be pretty good. Kaepernick can protest whatever he wants and the ad isn't specifically endorsing taking a knee during the National Anthem. It just doesn't bother me at all.
Serena Williams is a terrific role model. I was thinking that I'd be more interested in something she endorsed until I realized that no, that probably wouldn't affect my decision after all. In like manner, it would take more than the ad in the OP with Kaepernick to sway me.
The more I think about it, the less I care.
I believe in the right of a company to use whomever they wish as a representative whether that person is politically acceptable or not.
ETA -- I've only looked at the print ad in the OP
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 4:20:50 GMT
I think the one thing everyone on this thread agrees with is: "I believe in the right of a company to use whomever they wish as a representative whether that person is politically acceptable or not.
Or, at least I think they agree.
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Post by tara on Sept 4, 2018 4:22:54 GMT
No one has taken away his right to protest. He hasn't been arrested or jailed by the government. In fact, the government has taken no action at all with respect to him. The right to protest doesn't guarantee you that a private individual or corporation won't be offended by your action and decide they want nothing to do with you any more. There is no slippery slope. The "rights" you speak of are given in the Constitution and are meant to protect us from the government. It's not a get out of jail free card from any any all repercussions of your actions. You have a president telling the nfl owners to fire these athletes then you are making them lose their rights. You can say oh well to a rich professional athlete who can live on his investments but what about a regular person who has a family and really needs their job?
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 4:25:50 GMT
So what. The NFL is under no obligation to listen to what he says. It's not like the team owners will be arrested. Trump is voicing his opinion. (just like Obama did many times) And they didn't decide not to sign Kapernick because Trump said so; they did it because their bottom line tanked because of outraged fans. In the end, the almight dollar swayed the NFL. Kapernick was a money loser. So he went. Do you honestly believe that if Trump says "fire the bastard" that professional football team owners are going to scramble to do that? Really?
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 4, 2018 4:27:51 GMT
You have a president telling the nfl owners to fire these athletes then you are making them lose their rights. When a president of the United States can fire athletes and strip them of their rights, then you have a point. As it is, Trump's just another celebrity making noise.
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Post by trollie on Sept 4, 2018 4:32:39 GMT
You have a president telling the nfl owners to fire these athletes then you are making them lose their rights. When a president of the United States can fire athletes and strip them of their rights, then you have a point. As it is, Trump's just another celebrity making noise. Unfortunately he's not just another celebrity making noise, he is the President of the United States.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 4:34:28 GMT
You are missing the point. He has no authority to fire athletes or strip them of their rights.
Sometimes you just have to shake your head.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 4, 2018 4:34:52 GMT
When a president of the United States can fire athletes and strip them of their rights, then you have a point. As it is, Trump's just another celebrity making noise. Unfortunately he's not just another celebrity making noise, he is the President of the United States. Yeah. What's your point? You really think that unlike any other president before him, companies hire and fire because of his tweets? OK, believe that. Fine by me. I don't.
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Post by tara on Sept 4, 2018 4:35:46 GMT
So what. The NFL is under no obligation to listen to what he says. It's not like the team owners will be arrested. Trump is voicing his opinion. (just like Obama did many times) And they didn't decide not to sign Kapernick because Trump said so; they did it because their bottom line tanked because of outraged fans. In the end, the almight dollar swayed the NFL. Kapernick was a money loser. So he went. Do you honestly believe that if Trump says "fire the bastard" that professional football team owners are going to scramble to do that? Really? Trump has done more than voice his opinion. He fires his people up into a frenzy and he knows it. That’s what makes him so dangerous. He fires them up so they don’t think about the issues at hand. They don’t think it through. I know you people don’t like hearing it because it’s true but he is too much like Hitler for my taste.
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Post by tara on Sept 4, 2018 4:37:11 GMT
You have a president telling the nfl owners to fire these athletes then you are making them lose their rights. When a president of the United States can fire athletes and strip them of their rights, then you have a point. As it is, Trump's just another celebrity making noise. I wouldn’t call the president of the United States just another celebrity.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2018 4:39:05 GMT
So what. The NFL is under no obligation to listen to what he says. It's not like the team owners will be arrested. Trump is voicing his opinion. (just like Obama did many times) And they didn't decide not to sign Kapernick because Trump said so; they did it because their bottom line tanked because of outraged fans. In the end, the almight dollar swayed the NFL. Kapernick was a money loser. So he went. Do you honestly believe that if Trump says "fire the bastard" that professional football team owners are going to scramble to do that? Really? Trump has done more than voice his opinion. He fires his people up into a frenzy and he knows it. That’s what makes him so dangerous. He fires them up so they don’t think about the issues at hand. They don’t think it through. I know you people don’t like hearing it because it’s true but he is too much like Hitler for my taste. So, now we've gone from it's a slippery slope because trump caused the NFL to fire Kapernick to Trump is dangerous because he fires his own employees. And with the typical casual tossing in of Hitler, I'll leave you to your own illogical self.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 4, 2018 4:44:12 GMT
When a president of the United States can fire athletes and strip them of their rights, then you have a point. As it is, Trump's just another celebrity making noise. I wouldn’t call the president of the United States just another celebrity. Nor did I. AS IT IS, the president of the United States is NOT firing athletes, nor is he stripping them of their rights. His personal opinion on this, therefore, is that of a celebrity and is not an official verdict from the office of President. I'm no fan of Trump's tweets. I am not defending them here. I simply do not give them the weight of importance that drives so many people crazy since they do not carry any real legal authority. And with that, I'm out.
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Post by trollie on Sept 4, 2018 4:46:09 GMT
Spicer said tweets from the President were official statements.
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Post by tara on Sept 4, 2018 4:50:17 GMT
Trump has done more than voice his opinion. He fires his people up into a frenzy and he knows it. That’s what makes him so dangerous. He fires them up so they don’t think about the issues at hand. They don’t think it through. I know you people don’t like hearing it because it’s true but he is too much like Hitler for my taste. So, now we've gone from it's a slippery slope because trump caused the NFL to fire Kapernick to Trump is dangerous because he fires his own employees. And with the typical casual tossing in of Hitler, I'll leave you to your own illogical self. Who said anything about firing his employees? I said he fires his people up into a frenzy! Meaning his sheeple.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 4, 2018 5:04:47 GMT
I fully support Kaepernick’s message but I don’t support how he delivered that message. I know that he wanted to protest peacefully and bring attention to the issues of racial injustice and police brutality. I get it; those are issues that should concern us all. However, when you have a message of such import, the best way to deliver it is by unifying people, not dividing them and causing an uproar in this country so the message gets lost in all that noise. He is a sports figure – he and the other NFL players could have banded together and called a press conference and spoken about those issues to a wide audience. I bet every major and cable network would have televised that press conference. By doing what he did, Kaepernick just caused an unnecessary fight that has divided people even more AND overshadowed the underlying issues. Even if I took Trump out of the equation, I think any Republican president would have said something critical (though none of them would call the players “sons of bitches” like Trump did). Is there anyone who really thinks a Reagan or a Bush would be mum about it? Now it’s all about the NFL, Trump and Kaepernick because the ACTUAL issues (the really, truly important element) have been overwhelmed by the scandal.
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Post by cycworker on Sept 4, 2018 6:24:52 GMT
You mean the country that made Trumps daddy rich and Trump dodged the draft because he didn’t want to go fight for it? You keep saying this as if somehow it's supposed to bother me. I did not make a mistake electing Trump. If faced today with the choice of voting for him or for Hillary, I'd do it again; and again; and again. Your side lost the election when you gave in to the idea that she was entitled to be elected and ignored all of her faults and the animosity she created. Your own blindness played a large part in Trumps election. Your insistence of vilifying Republicans will likely lead to his re-election. #notLauren Trump wasn't elected, he was installed by Putin. He won't be "reelected" because Mueller is going to get him,
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