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Post by Merge on Oct 1, 2018 0:42:40 GMT
I don't know. To me, two things are telling: one, that he was described as falling-down drunk, so I find it difficult to believe that he made any real attempt to flee; and two, that he was not charged with attempting to flee.
I'm not sure the Politifact rating of 'mostly false' is warranted based on the information they gave in their own article.
I don't in any way condone or excuse his drunk driving, and neither does he. He did the court required diversion program and hasn't done anything like that since.
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Post by eleezybeth on Oct 1, 2018 1:19:25 GMT
He owned it, did the court required diversion and has no signs of continued behavior? I'm okay. He owned it. He worked to make it right. I don't need my politicians to be perfect, I need them to be responsible and willing to learn. I don't want them hiding behind excuses, I want them to own it and do what they need to do to make it right. Perfection is a lie, responsibility and their response is much more telling to me.
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Post by mom on Oct 1, 2018 1:27:20 GMT
I will be honest - I have had some trouble getting past his DWI.I have huge issues with people who take the lives of others into their own hands and act negligently. Drinking & driving is just not acceptable to me in any shape.
That being said, he has made good decisions (or so it seems) since then. Its been 20 years and seems to not have a pattern of this. It seems he has learned his lesson, so I am not thrilled about it but have accepted it for what it was - a mistake.
I still plan on voting for him.
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Post by dewryce on Oct 1, 2018 1:44:44 GMT
mom, I was really disappointed and upset when I found out about it as well. But I agree with the others, he has taken responsibility, learned from it, and not repeated his actions. Had anyone been really hurt, I'm not sure if I could move past it. As to the fleeing claim, I don't think enough information is there to feel strongly that that's what he was doing. It didn't say how far he drove, what direction, or why he stopped. He was falling down drunk. A classmate in HS lost her brother when he was struck by a drunk driver while standing on the side of the road. The other car didn't even slow down because they didn't even realize they had struck someone. So I think it's hard to gauge his intent to flee based on what we know. If he was at all evasive or untruthful about other details I wouldn't feel the same, I would doubt the sincerity of his claim that he did not try to flee.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 1:49:15 GMT
If a First Lady can be forgiven he can be too. There is nothing to say that he has done this over and over.
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Post by Skellinton on Oct 1, 2018 1:57:03 GMT
You didn’t link an article, so I google searched and I think it is extremely important to note that this was 20 years ago and as others have said seems to be something he not only takes responsibility it does not appear to be something that he has repeated. He is also not applying for a lifetime position as a judge which is very different then the situation I assume you are trying to compare this to.
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Post by librarylady on Oct 1, 2018 3:34:28 GMT
Since he was investigated at the time of the incident and no charges filed--I'm not clinging to the truth of this account.
He also has taken responsibility for what he did--not tried to downplay it or make excuses. He also has had no other incidents in 20 years, so it is not an issue with me.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 1, 2018 4:36:42 GMT
I heard him talk about it on a late night show a few weeks ago. He didn't try to hide it. I thought it was out there already.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 1, 2018 12:38:56 GMT
NO denial, accepting responsibility, no other incidents of note = not a problem!
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Post by myshelly on Oct 1, 2018 12:42:12 GMT
Hmmm...no mention of the fact that this was 20 years ago in the title or the OP and no link to the article.
Eyeroll.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 1, 2018 13:43:53 GMT
DWI wrong, 20 years ago. Apology and no further issues, ok.
On the other hand:
Let's see (some but not limited to.)
Lied about connections to get into Yale. Lied about legal drinking age in Maryland. It was NOT 18 as he stated. (18 was legal in DC at the time) Lied about excessive drinking. Many friends have signed statement/letters to what they had/have witnessed. Lied about Devil's Triangle, and other entries in his HS bio! Lied about Renata ... His supposed friend.... She is devistated by the comments. Lied about possession/usage of stolen documents. Well documented .... Lied about possible sexual assault.
Not so equal are they?
NOT one apology!
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Post by dewryce on Oct 1, 2018 14:08:36 GMT
Hmmm...no mention of the fact that this was 20 years ago in the title or the OP and no link to the article. Eyeroll. Eyeroll. Really? Another nice person on this board. The article states that it happened years ago. I was not trying to mislead you or anyone. The article wasn't linked and a lot of people just go by what is in the OP where you didn't mention how long ago it happened. Intentional or not, the affect is the same.
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Post by Merge on Oct 1, 2018 14:34:15 GMT
Hmmm...no mention of the fact that this was 20 years ago in the title or the OP and no link to the article. Eyeroll. Eyeroll. Really? Another nice person on this board. The article states that it happened years ago. I was not trying to mislead you or anyone. I think perhaps you forgot to link the article you were referencing. There is any amount of right wing propaganda floating around right now trying to make it sound as if this happened recently and/or is a shocking revelation that Beto had been trying to hide. Neither is true.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 1, 2018 15:39:48 GMT
Hmmm...no mention of the fact that this was 20 years ago in the title or the OP and no link to the article. Eyeroll. Eyeroll. Really? Another nice person on this board. The article states that it happened years ago. I was not trying to mislead you or anyone. And yet you didn’t link the article and left out that critical fact in both the title and OP. They are most certainly misleading.
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Post by FurryP on Oct 2, 2018 3:06:07 GMT
And yet you didn’t link the article and left out that critical fact in both the title and OP. They are most certainly misleading. Yeah, based on the post and the title, I thought it was recent until I read more of the responses. Many peas do not read responses. Or sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 2, 2018 3:16:52 GMT
Did he deny it? lie about under oath? Did he blame other people? Did he try to claim it was a conspiracy against him and therefore not his fault?
Did he do as the court orders him too?
Did he repeat the behavior?
There is a difference to owning your mistakes, paying for them as the legal system requires, learning from it and growing as opposed to lying, denying, repeating the mistakes and not growing from your mistake.
Two totally different things.
All Humans make mistakes. It is how we handle them that will show our true character.
The specific case in the OP doesn’t matter to me as I don’t vote in Texas. I guess each Texas voter needs to look at thier options and see who represents them best.
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Post by elaine on Oct 2, 2018 3:21:38 GMT
If this is already being discussed, I apologize for starting a duplicate thread. PolitiFact Texas says his claim that he did not try to leave the accident is mostly false. Opinions on the article? What article? Provide the link, please.
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Post by TXMary on Oct 2, 2018 3:55:45 GMT
I heard him talk about it on a late night show a few weeks ago. He didn't try to hide it. I thought it was out there already. It is. I have seen him speak at two town hall meetings. Questions about it came up at both of them. He made no attempts to avoid the questions and was very open and honest about it. He expressed sincere remorse for his actions at the time and clearly learned his lesson. I don’t excuse his drunk driving in any way, but if someone learns from a mistake they made 20 years ago, I am okay with moving forward.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 2, 2018 12:04:22 GMT
I heard him talk about it on a late night show a few weeks ago. He didn't try to hide it. I thought it was out there already. It is. I have seen him speak at two town hall meetings. Questions about it came up at both of them. He made no attempts to avoid the questions and was very open and honest about it. He expressed sincere remorse for his actions at the time and clearly learned his lesson. I don’t excuse his drunk driving in any way, but if someone learns from a mistake they made 20 years ago, I am okay with moving forward. You mean he didn’t try to blame Clinton or Obama? ( or Trump? ) That’s refreshing
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Post by frenchie on Oct 2, 2018 16:30:31 GMT
There is a report today that I saw online on CNN (sorry, I don't know how to link) that says Beto wrote a review in his college newspaper about their school musical. Apparently he wrote that the only qualities of the actresses were their large breasts and tight asses. Hopefully it's not true, although I don't think it should be a big deal because it was so long ago. Ugh! Hope it doesn't become an issue. He seems like such a great candidate.
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Post by gardengoddess on Oct 2, 2018 16:58:00 GMT
I think of all the Democratic candidates running for office in this country, it's Beto that has the GOP running scared. For him to even be in striking distance of that creepy ass Cruz in that area of Texas is incredible.
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