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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 5:27:02 GMT
The Lead CNN..
“After a full day of questioning, two things are clear to me. One, we could have done this in open setting, and two, when you read the transcript you will see that we're talking again about Hillary Clinton's e-mails for heaven's sakes," says ex-FBI director @comey on Capitol Hill”
If the GOP didn’t have the emails they would just use Benghazi. All the time ignoring the modern version of Nero fiddling while the country burns down around him. I don’t know, the vision of trump wearing a toga is kind of weird.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 8, 2018 13:06:44 GMT
If the GOP didn’t have the emails they would just use Benghazi. All the time ignoring the modern version of Nero fiddling while the country burns down around him. Rome is burning. Nero is tone deaf. The legislators from his party are struggling to even eke out a Suzuki Book I “Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star.” So much for learning to play by ear.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 13:12:00 GMT
trump...
“The idea of a European Military didn’t work out too well in W.W. I or 2. But the U.S. was there for you, and always will be. All we ask is that you pay your fair share of NATO. Germany is paying 1% while the U.S. pays 4.3% of a much larger GDP - to protect Europe. Fairness!”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 13:20:22 GMT
trump..
“AFTER TWO YEARS AND MILLIONS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS (and a cost of over $30,000,000), NO COLLUSION!”
So now the cost is back down to $30M, he probably forgot he raised it to $40M.
But now we have MILLIONS of pages of documents.
And before there is another debate about trump and his numbers, keep in mind that 99% of what he says he makes up so you know what he says is not worth a grain of salt.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 13:32:19 GMT
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Post by gar on Dec 8, 2018 13:35:20 GMT
trump... “The idea of a European Military didn’t work out too well in W.W. I or 2. But the U.S. was there for you, and always will be. All we ask is that you pay your fair share of NATO. Germany is paying 1% while the U.S. pays 4.3% of a much larger GDP - to protect Europe. Fairness!” He still doesn't get it does he...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 13:36:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 13:55:28 GMT
Nice summary of Individual 1's no-good, horrible, very-bad day:
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 15:46:38 GMT
EJ Dionne..
“Looking forward to what will be a popular new bumper sticker and T-shirt:
"I'm Proud I voted Against Individual 1."
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 8, 2018 15:53:41 GMT
Only this (Individual 1 is Trump): During the campaign, Cohen played a central role in two similar schemes to purchase the rights to stories – each from women who claimed to have had an affair with Individual-1 – so as to suppress the stories and thereby prevent them from influencing the election. With respect to both payments, Cohen acted with the intent to influence the 2016 presidential election. Cohen coordinated his actions with one or more members of the campaign, including through meetings and phone calls, about the fact, nature, and timing of the payments. (PSR ¶ 51). In particular, and as Cohen himself has now admitted, with respect to both payments, he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1. (PSR ¶¶ 41, 45). As a result of Cohen’s actions, neither woman spoke to the press prior to the election. (PSR ¶ 51). (So...he had falsely represented these payments as legal retainer and was seeking reimbursement by labeling his invoices as legal expenses.) Outstanding! Well, not really. At least not in my (contrarian) opinion. After reading all three documents, I was hoping for something more substantive in terms of tying all this directly to Trump. I mean, campaign finance violation for Trump? We already knew about that from summer when Cohen allocuted. Who would indict or impeach a president on that (especially after the Edwards case that bombed)? It’s a felony for Trump if you can prove intent to protect his candidacy, and prosecution of a federal crime requires establishment of intent. Any lawyer can tell you all Trump has to say in defense is he paid off mistresses to spare his family the distress/embarrassment so they’re not campaign-related. How does a prosecutor prove otherwise? Because Cohen said so? Defense can say Cohen is a proven liar (and they’re right because he lied to banks and to Congress). See what I mean? Further, DOJ rules stipulate that they don’t indict a sitting president. Neither can I see Pelosi supporting impeachment just on this. Even if she does (and that’s a big IF), you need 67 votes on the Senate side. What GOP senator would vote on impeachment just on alleged campaign finance violation? So, what could reasonably be done with this? What I was hoping to see is something about obstruction of justice because that would definitely be an impeachable offense, and something the GOP cannot sanitize. For example, in the continuing communications of Manafort with the Trump admin (which Manafort lied about), was there a time when he communicated to Trump the questions Mueller was asking him which prompted Trump’s answers to the questionnaire from Mueller? Or maybe witness tampering. For example, did Cohen lie to Congress about the Moscow Project because Trump told him to? There were references to Cohen’s having helped Mueller in the core investigation and we all know the core investigation is whether Trump and his campaign team conspired with the Russians in tilting the election in his favor. But there was no revelation of what exactly Cohen provided, and on the Manafort side there were redactions again so one can't tell. Those were the sorts of issues I was looking for, but I didn’t see any. I know Mueller can’t reveal everything now so I’m just hoping they can all be tied together for the public later on.
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Post by pyccku on Dec 8, 2018 16:02:37 GMT
What I was hoping to see is something about obstruction of justice because that would definitely be an impeachable offense, and something the GOP cannot sanitize. It's coming. McCabe opened an investigation into OOJ before the Mueller investigation started. Mueller is not going to reveal everything he knows until he's ready. And in any big case like this, you go after the underlings first, then the top guy is the last one you go after. In addition, there is no need to go after everything on everyone right away - as each piece of the puzzle is ready, you can indict and sentence for those charges, then come back for more later. I also think that if there is going to be an OOJ charge, it will come after the new congress is seated. In the meantime, individual #1 can keep tweeting and trying to intimidate and instruct witnesses, etc. It can all just be added to the pile.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 16:56:31 GMT
linkLet me tell you, if I was still working the last person I woukd ever vote for is a Republican. Here is what Michigan is in the process of doing.. “ Michigan Is the Latest Example of the Restaurant Lobby Subverting Democracy”From the article. “It’s been a bad week for democracy. While all eyes have been on a Republican power grab in Wisconsin, the Republican-controlled Michigan legislature quietly gutted its brand-new laws to increase the state’s minimum wage and provide residents with paid sick leave. Lawmakers initially passed the popular policies in September, after it became clear that ballot initiatives to raise the minimum wage to $12 an hour by 2022, phase out the tipped minimum wage, and guarantee 72 hours of paid sick leave were likely to be approved if they were put to the state’s voters in November. Concerned that they’d be unable to overturn a ballot initiative, which would require a three-fourths supermajority, Republican legislators took the extraordinary step of passing the law themselves — so they could come back and dismantle it with a simple majority in the current lame duck session. The new Republican bill delays the minimum wage increase by eight years, until the year 2030. Paid sick time is slashed in half, to just 36 hours per year. In addition, it maintains the tipped minimum wage, increasing it to just $4.58 by 2030, which earlier legislation would have phased out. The bill now heads to the desk of the outgoing Republican governor, Rick Snyder, who is expected to sign it into law.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 17:15:29 GMT
trump...
“This is collusion illusion, there is no smoking gun here. At this late date, after all that we have gone through, after millions have been spent, we have no Russian Collusion. There is nothing impeachable here.” @geraldorivera Time for the Witch Hunt to END!“
Someone responded “Unlike Geraldo Rivera, the FBI actually found Al Capone”. So like anyone is going to listen to anything he has to say.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 8, 2018 17:35:09 GMT
trump.. “AFTER TWO YEARS AND MILLIONS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS (and a cost of over $30,000,000), NO COLLUSION!” So now the cost is back down to $30M, he probably forgot he raised it to $40M. But now we have MILLIONS of pages of documents. And before there is another debate about trump and his numbers, keep in mind that 99% of what he says he makes up so you know what he says is not worth a grain of salt. He still ignores the seized monies/properties form Manafort are worth more then the $30 million.
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Post by lucyg on Dec 8, 2018 17:38:41 GMT
trump... “The idea of a European Military didn’t work out too well in W.W. I or 2. But the U.S. was there for you, and always will be. All we ask is that you pay your fair share of NATO. Germany is paying 1% while the U.S. pays 4.3% of a much larger GDP - to protect Europe. Fairness!” OMG. WTF is he talking about? There was no “European Military” in WWI or WWII. Tillerson was right. Trump is a moron.
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Post by Just T on Dec 8, 2018 17:45:16 GMT
trump... “The idea of a European Military didn’t work out too well in W.W. I or 2. But the U.S. was there for you, and always will be. All we ask is that you pay your fair share of NATO. Germany is paying 1% while the U.S. pays 4.3% of a much larger GDP - to protect Europe. Fairness!” OMG. WTF is he talking about? There was no “European Military” in WWI or WWII. Tillerson was right. Trump is a moron. You mean a maroon?
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Post by peano on Dec 8, 2018 17:49:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 17:53:04 GMT
trump..
“Very sad day & night in Paris. Maybe it’s time to end the ridiculous and extremely expensive Paris Agreement and return money back to the people in the form of lower taxes? The U.S. was way ahead of the curve on that and the only major country where emissions went down last year!”
Lower taxes? Here? Raise your hand if a)you got a tax reduction of more than a few dollars a check or b) your salary went up because of the tax cut.
He is such an idiot.
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Post by Just T on Dec 8, 2018 18:01:45 GMT
trump.. “Very sad day & night in Paris. Maybe it’s time to end the ridiculous and extremely expensive Paris Agreement and return money back to the people in the form of lower taxes? The U.S. was way ahead of the curve on that and the only major country where emissions went down last year!” Lower taxes? Here? Raise your hand if a)you got a tax reduction of more than a few dollars a check or b) your salary went up because of the tax cut. He is such an idiot. I got $14 a month.
And in January, my health insurance is going up $300 a month.
Winning here!
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Dec 8, 2018 18:03:44 GMT
Well, not really. At least not in my (contrarian) opinion. After reading all three documents, I was hoping for something more substantive in terms of tying all this directly to Trump. I mean, campaign finance violation for Trump? We already knew about that from summer when Cohen allocuted. Who would indict or impeach a president on that (especially after the Edwards case that bombed)? It’s a felony for Trump if you can prove intent to protect his candidacy, and prosecution of a federal crime requires establishment of intent. Any lawyer can tell you all Trump has to say in defense is he paid off mistresses to spare his family the distress/embarrassment so they’re not campaign-related. How does a prosecutor prove otherwise? Because Cohen said so? Defense can say Cohen is a proven liar (and they’re right because he lied to banks and to Congress). See what I mean? Further, DOJ rules stipulate that they don’t indict a sitting president. Neither can I see Pelosi supporting impeachment just on this. Even if she does (and that’s a big IF), you need 67 votes on the Senate side. What GOP senator would vote on impeachment just on alleged campaign finance violation? So, what could reasonably be done with this? What I was hoping to see is something about obstruction of justice because that would definitely be an impeachable offense, and something the GOP cannot sanitize. For example, in the continuing communications of Manafort with the Trump admin (which Manafort lied about), was there a time when he communicated to Trump the questions Mueller was asking him which prompted Trump’s answers to the questionnaire from Mueller? Or maybe witness tampering. For example, did Cohen lie to Congress about the Moscow Project because Trump told him to? There were references to Cohen’s having helped Mueller in the core investigation and we all know the core investigation is whether Trump and his campaign team conspired with the Russians in tilting the election in his favor. But there was no revelation of what exactly Cohen provided, and on the Manafort side there were redactions again so one can't tell. Those were the sorts of issues I was looking for, but I didn’t see any. I know Mueller can’t reveal everything now so I’m just hoping they can all be tied together for the public later on. It doesn’t matter if anything is an impeachable offense or not. Mueller is playing the long game now. Anything that happens to Trump will be done by the states or the DOJ after he is out of office. Even if House Democrats vote to impeach (bad idea for the 2020 election, by the way), You will never get the required 67 votes in the Senate.! The statute of limitations is suspended while he is in office, so he can’t just sit this out unless he is hoping for a federal pardon by whomever replaces him someday. Of course, a Democrat in office won’t pardon him, but a Republican might under the guise of “healing” our nation putting this behind us. If a Democrat wins in 2020, look for Don to resign the final days of his presidency to allow Pence to pardon him. However, state charges can’t be pardoned by the president, so he still won’t be off the hook unless the governors of the affected states pardon him.
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 8, 2018 18:33:09 GMT
Well, not really. At least not in my (contrarian) opinion. After reading all three documents, I was hoping for something more substantive in terms of tying all this directly to Trump. I mean, campaign finance violation for Trump? We already knew about that from summer when Cohen allocuted. Who would indict or impeach a president on that (especially after the Edwards case that bombed)? It’s a felony for Trump if you can prove intent to protect his candidacy, and prosecution of a federal crime requires establishment of intent. Any lawyer can tell you all Trump has to say in defense is he paid off mistresses to spare his family the distress/embarrassment so they’re not campaign-related. How does a prosecutor prove otherwise? Because Cohen said so? Defense can say Cohen is a proven liar (and they’re right because he lied to banks and to Congress). See what I mean? Further, DOJ rules stipulate that they don’t indict a sitting president. Neither can I see Pelosi supporting impeachment just on this. Even if she does (and that’s a big IF), you need 67 votes on the Senate side. What GOP senator would vote on impeachment just on alleged campaign finance violation? So, what could reasonably be done with this? What I was hoping to see is something about obstruction of justice because that would definitely be an impeachable offense, and something the GOP cannot sanitize. For example, in the continuing communications of Manafort with the Trump admin (which Manafort lied about), was there a time when he communicated to Trump the questions Mueller was asking him which prompted Trump’s answers to the questionnaire from Mueller? Or maybe witness tampering. For example, did Cohen lie to Congress about the Moscow Project because Trump told him to? There were references to Cohen’s having helped Mueller in the core investigation and we all know the core investigation is whether Trump and his campaign team conspired with the Russians in tilting the election in his favor. But there was no revelation of what exactly Cohen provided, and on the Manafort side there were redactions again so one can't tell. Those were the sorts of issues I was looking for, but I didn’t see any. I know Mueller can’t reveal everything now so I’m just hoping they can all be tied together for the public later on. It doesn’t matter if anything is an impeachable offense or not. Mueller is playing the long game now. Anything that happens to Trump will be done by the states or the DOJ after he is out of office. Even if House Democrats vote to impeach (bad idea for the 2020 election, by the way), You will never get the required 67 votes in the Senate.! The statute of limitations is suspended while he is in office, so he can’t just sit this out unless he is hoping for a federal pardon by whomever replaces him someday. Of course, a Democrat in office won’t pardon him, but a Republican might under the guise of “healing” our nation putting this behind us. If a Democrat wins in 2020, look for Don to resign the final days of his presidency to allow Pence to pardon him. However, state charges can’t be pardoned by the president, so he still won’t be off the hook unless the governors of the affected states pardon him. I didn’t know you could toll the SoL for a president. The only way I know of is by filing a sealed indictment which will effectively stop the clock. Is there a statute for this tolling? If there is, kindly provide a link. I’m really curious as this is the first time I’ve heard of this.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 8, 2018 18:48:15 GMT
trump... “The idea of a European Military didn’t work out too well in W.W. I or 2. But the U.S. was there for you, and always will be. All we ask is that you pay your fair share of NATO. Germany is paying 1% while the U.S. pays 4.3% of a much larger GDP - to protect Europe. Fairness!” OMG. WTF is he talking about? There was no “European Military” in WWI or WWII. Tillerson was right. Trump is a moron. dt still does not understand it is far better to fight overseas then on US soil............ (sorry to say that to our friends overseas....) With KJU in Korea and Putin n Russia with nuclear weapons, we are not likely to fight anywhere............. we will be bombed and dead thanks to dt....
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 8, 2018 18:50:36 GMT
Hey , wait, WE own a unit in that tower!!! Well, a work in progress I guess.......... Thanks to Manafort!!
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Dec 8, 2018 19:46:24 GMT
It doesn’t matter if anything is an impeachable offense or not. Mueller is playing the long game now. Anything that happens to Trump will be done by the states or the DOJ after he is out of office. Even if House Democrats vote to impeach (bad idea for the 2020 election, by the way), You will never get the required 67 votes in the Senate.! The statute of limitations is suspended while he is in office, so he can’t just sit this out unless he is hoping for a federal pardon by whomever replaces him someday. Of course, a Democrat in office won’t pardon him, but a Republican might under the guise of “healing” our nation putting this behind us. If a Democrat wins in 2020, look for Don to resign the final days of his presidency to allow Pence to pardon him. However, state charges can’t be pardoned by the president, so he still won’t be off the hook unless the governors of the affected states pardon him. I didn’t know you could toll the SoL for a president. The only way I know of is by filing a sealed indictment which will effectively stop the clock. Is there a statute for this tolling? If there is, kindly provide a link. I’m really curious as this is the first time I’ve heard of this. SOL is generally tolled if you cannot be legally prosecuted. If the law says you cannot indict a sitting president, then you can wait until he is out of office to do it. I don’t think there is a specific law that provides for this. Inbelievenit is just interpretation. I don’t have a citation, but I have seen it discussed a few times since 2016. Of course, this assumes that there is actually a decision that the president cannot be indicted. I have no doubt that there will be state charges filed if there is any risk the SOL will run out. Then, if a court ruled he cannot be indivmcted while in office, the statute would be tolled.
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Post by gardengoddess on Dec 8, 2018 19:54:09 GMT
LOL They need to add orange spray tan booths too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 20:07:16 GMT
trump..
“Watched Da Nang Dick Blumenthal on television spewing facts almost as accurate as his bravery in Vietnam (which he never saw). As the bullets whizzed by Da Nang Dicks head, as he was saving soldiers....
left and right, he then woke up from his dream screaming that HE LIED. Next time I go to Vietnam I will ask “the Dick” to travel with me!”
I don’t know Blumenthal’s story other then he was in the reserves during Vietnam nor do I care.
Having said that donnie the coward really shouldn’t ridicule anyone’s military service considering he found ways not to serve during Vietnam and he still hasn’t visited our troops in the Middle East. In other words the Commander-in-Chief is a coward.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 20:21:08 GMT
ABC News...
“BREAKING: Pres. Trump says that Chief of Staff John Kelly will be "leaving at the end of the year."
"We'll be announcing who will be taking John's place...I'll be announcing that over the next day or two." abcn.ws/2EnIZfG”
trump 1/10/2012..
“3 Chief of Staffs in less than 3 years of being President: Part of the reason why @barackobama can't manage to pass his agenda.”
Well he managed to do in 2 years that took President Obama three years to do. Who knows how many more Chief of Staffs he will go through in the next year. He could break another record.
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 8, 2018 20:22:55 GMT
I didn’t know you could toll the SoL for a president. The only way I know of is by filing a sealed indictment which will effectively stop the clock. Is there a statute for this tolling? If there is, kindly provide a link. I’m really curious as this is the first time I’ve heard of this. SOL is generally tolled if you cannot be legally prosecuted. If the law says you cannot indict a sitting president, then you can wait until he is out of office to do it. I don’t think there is a specific law that provides for this. Inbelievenit is just interpretation. I don’t have a citation, but I have seen it discussed a few times since 2016. Of course, this assumes that there is actually a decision that the president cannot be indicted. I have no doubt that there will be state charges filed if there is any risk the SOL will run out. Then, if a court ruled he cannot be indivmcted while in office, the statute would be tolled. Of course he can be indicted when out of office, but you cannot toll a SoL just because he’s a sitting president unless there’s a sealed indictment against him because that is what would hold the prosecution in abeyance until he’s out of office. Is there one you know of? Otherwise, the general SoL of five years for federal crimes is still running. If he wins in 2020, the SoL will expire before that term is up. If he doesn’t win, then no problem.
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