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Post by pierkiss on Dec 11, 2018 0:42:19 GMT
It’s really interesting to watch the Republicans spin trump. Aaron Rupar.. ”On Fox News, @gopleader Kevin McCarthy downplays Trump campaign's repeated contacts with Russians in 2016. "If you're in an international city, people interact with a lot of individuals." ”McCarthy downplays Trump's involvement in crimes: "What it shows is that if POTUS hires an attorney to solve a problem, he expects them to do it in legal manner... If an impeachable offense is a campaign finance problem, there are a lots of members who are going to have to leave" ”McCarthy urges House Dems to not investigate Trump: "I think America is too great of a nation to have such a small agenda. I think there are other problems out there that we should be focused on... we've investigated this for a long time." I was really sorry CA re-elected this idiot. Right. If any Dem had had that much contact with any Russian national before an election they would all be going ape shit about it.
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Post by pierkiss on Dec 11, 2018 0:45:55 GMT
Newsweek.. “Donald Trump told John Kelly he was out right before Christmas dinner for White House staff: Report bit.ly/2RKF8wp” Merry Christmas John Kelly! Love Donald! Hey, that might have been the best Christmas present ever, wrapped in a shiny red bow!
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 11, 2018 0:45:59 GMT
Matt Murphy... “CNN reporting Mark Meadows turns down CoS job.” That is 2 that we know of. This is starting to get pretty hilarious. I’m pretty sure Mick Mulvaney doesn’t want the job, either. (I have to laugh because otherwise I’d be crying.) Lawyers’ bills are what’s scaring these people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 1:18:13 GMT
Q. to James Comey: Would a person who was not President be charged? A. from James Comey
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Post by ntsf on Dec 11, 2018 1:18:48 GMT
I have to say our local school district has very healthy meals.. salad bars in almost all schools.. and they have done a lot of teaching around healthy food. so we spend extra money to have fresh and appealing food and the kids eat it they have two entrees and a veggie option every meal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 1:20:59 GMT
The Evangelicals "Cambridge Analytica" analogue.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 1:31:11 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 11, 2018 1:32:29 GMT
This is an absolute disgrace! EVERY vote counts, but no in Florida!! More than 6000 mail-in ballots in Florida were not counted: officialsBY BROOKE SEIPEL - 12/10/18 08:09 PM EST More than 6,000 mailed ballots in Florida went uncounted in November's midterm elections, according to a report by the Associated Press. Officials at the Florida Department of State informed a federal judge last week that 6,670 ballots that were mailed in ahead of the November 6 midterm election were left uncounted because they arrived after Election Day. Ballots mailed inside the U.S. must reach election offices by 7 p.m. on Election Day under current Florida law. It is not yet clear why the ballots did not make it to the election offices on time. According to The Associated Press, the missing ballots came from 65 of Florida's 67 counties. The news comes as three extremely narrow races in the state are heading to a recount. The Florida Senate race between Sen. Bill Nelson (D) and Gov. Rick Scott (R), the race for agriculture commissioner and the gubernatorial race all went to recounts. thehill.com/homenews/campaign/420696-more-than-6000-mail-in-ballots-in-florida-were-not-counted-officials
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Post by gulfcoastgirl on Dec 11, 2018 1:33:49 GMT
The schools where I taught in central fl have had good food since forever! The school board had monthly lunch meetings at one school. It was one big southern comfort food jackpot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 2:49:40 GMT
Someone is watching Fox News..
”James Comey’s behind closed doors testimony reveals that “there was not evidence of Campaign Collusion” with Russia when he left the FBI. In other words, the Witch Hunt is illegal and should never have been started!”
”Former FBI Director James Comey under fire for his testimony acknowledging he knew that the Democrats paid for that phony Trump Dossier.” @loudobbs Details on Tuesday night.”
1. The Steel Dossier has not been disproved.
2. So what that the Democrats paid for opposition research? I suspect if the “outside world” got a look at internal emails and memos of the GOP, like they did with the Democrats, you would find pretty much the same thing they are accusing the left of doing.
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Post by Merge on Dec 11, 2018 2:57:25 GMT
Someone is watching Fox News.. ”James Comey’s behind closed doors testimony reveals that “there was not evidence of Campaign Collusion” with Russia when he left the FBI. In other words, the Witch Hunt is illegal and should never have been started!” ”Former FBI Director James Comey under fire for his testimony acknowledging he knew that the Democrats paid for that phony Trump Dossier.” @loudobbs Details on Tuesday night.” 1. The Steel Dossier has not been disproved. 2. So what that the Democrats paid for opposition research? I suspect if the “outside world” got a look at internal emails and memos of the GOP, like they did with the Democrats, you would find pretty much the same thing they are accusing the left of doing. People who do oppo research for a living don't stay in business long if they turn up false information.
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 11, 2018 3:27:20 GMT
Someone is watching Fox News.. ”James Comey’s behind closed doors testimony reveals that “there was not evidence of Campaign Collusion” with Russia when he left the FBI. In other words, the Witch Hunt is illegal and should never have been started!” ”Former FBI Director James Comey under fire for his testimony acknowledging he knew that the Democrats paid for that phony Trump Dossier.” @loudobbs Details on Tuesday night.” 1. The Steel Dossier has not been disproved. 2. So what that the Democrats paid for opposition research? I suspect if the “outside world” got a look at internal emails and memos of the GOP, like they did with the Democrats, you would find pretty much the same thing they are accusing the left of doing. So what that the Democrats paid for opposition research? I suspect if the “outside world” got a look at internal emails and memos of the GOP, like they did with the Democrats, you would find pretty much the same thing they are accusing the left of doing.That’s not the issue. The contention is that the Steele dossier was used as the basis for obtaining the FISA warrant to surveil Carter Page and others, and no one informed the FISA judge through several renewals that the FBI could not corroborate it. Additionally, no one informed the judge that the dossier was paid for by the Clinton campaign (although the request did have a footnote that the origin was such). Do NOT get the impression I’m defending Lou Dobbs or Fox here. I’m merely stating their contention. It is up to the FISA judge to determine if there was fault.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Dec 11, 2018 3:32:00 GMT
wasn't the dossier investigation started by Republicans? And I thought they debated the Carter Page FISA warrant ad nauseum and already settled it? ETA: Treason's Greetings!! I'm sitting here watching MSNBC-- Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell-- while I write out my Christmas cards!! LOL!!
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 11, 2018 3:40:36 GMT
wasn't the dossier investigation started by Republicans? And I thought they debated the Carter Page FISA warrant ad nauseum and already settled it? ETA: Treason's Greetings!! I'm sitting here watching MSNBC-- Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell-- while I write out my Christmas cards!! LOL!! No, they brought it up again in Comey's hearing this past Friday. Treason's Greetings to you, too!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 11, 2018 3:44:36 GMT
44 ex-senators pen op-ed calling Senate to defend democracy as Mueller probe concludesBY JUSTIN WISE - 12/10/18 09:48 PM EST A bipartisan group of more than 40 ex-senators are calling for the current members of the upper chamber to join together to defend democracy, saying that the U.S. is entering a "dangerous period" as the investigation into Russian election interference nears its conclusion. "We are on the eve of the conclusion of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation and the House’s commencement of investigations of the president and his administration," the 44 senators write in an op-ed addressed to current senators for The Washington Post. "The likely convergence of these two events will occur at a time when simmering regional conflicts and global power confrontations continue to threaten our security, economy and geopolitical stability. "It is a time, like other critical junctures in our history, when our nation must engage at every level with strategic precision and the hand of both the president and the Senate." The former senators go on to write that the U.S. is at an "inflection point" in which the core principles of democracy and national security interests "are at stake." The letter notes that at other times in U.S. history, the Senate has been the body to stand up for democracy during times when it was threatened. "Today is once again such a time," the senators write. "Regardless of party affiliation, ideological leanings or geography, as former members of this great body, we urge current and future senators to be steadfast and zealous guardians of our democracy by ensuring that partisanship or self-interest not replace national interest." ** 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/86507/trump-catch-scary-political-stuff?page=23&scrollTo=2374750** Along with this!! Hatch: ‘I don’t care’ if prosecutors are arguing Trump broke the lawBY JUSTIN WISE - 12/10/18 09:12 PM EST Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) on Monday dismissed federal charges implicating President Trump in crimes committed by his former lawyer, saying that he doesn't care about the argument made in a court filing by the Southern District of New York because Trump is a good president. "I don't care, all I can say is he's doing a good job as president," Hatch said in an interview with CNN, before adding that he's not bothered by the filing because he doesn't think Trump was involved in crimes. "The Democrats will do anything to hurt this president," he told CNN. "What happened before he was elected president is one thing, but since he’s been elected the economy’s done well, our country is moving ahead. We’re in better shape than when we were before he became president. And I think we ought to judge him on that basis."After CNN reporter Manu Raju noted that it wasn't Democrats, but federal prosecutors, that made the allegations about Trump, Hatch responded, "You think he's a Republican, do you?" "All I can say is this, President Trump before he became president, that’s another world. Since he’s become president, this economy has charged ahead. We’re all better off," Hatch added. *** More at link: thehill.com/homenews/senate/420704-hatch-i-dont-care-if-prosecutors-are-arguing-trump-broke-the-law** Don Lemon just had videos of Hatch talking back during the Clinton talks about how Clinton was wrong, should be held accountable etc.... John Dean was on too, an said that he thinks that Hatch seems to have deteriorated over the years............ oops! I can't remember all that was said.
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Post by flute4peace on Dec 11, 2018 4:00:10 GMT
wasn't the dossier investigation started by Republicans? And I thought they debated the Carter Page FISA warrant ad nauseum and already settled it? ETA: Treason's Greetings!! I'm sitting here watching MSNBC-- Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell-- while I write out my Christmas cards!! LOL!! I’ve been watching too and it’s very enlightening.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Dec 11, 2018 4:09:46 GMT
hahaha!!! Brian Williams just said 'where there's smock, there's fire' hahahaha!!!
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 11, 2018 5:34:49 GMT
Paging lizacreates . I searched your recent posts (result below) because I thought the “private transaction” defense sounded like something you had floated. Absent the possibility that you are advising the president (heh), is this the generally assumed roadblock to any possible indictment for the payoffs accusation? Or is it the assumed (and presumably sucessful) defense if indicted? If not indict-able, would it still have any teeth, e.g. an ethics violation? Talk Type to me slowly, please. I apologize if my answer will equate to an essay, but it’s necessary for clarity. Maybe to your first question, yes to your second, and unlikely to your third. I don’t know if you’ll recall this, but a few months ago he was interviewed by Fox (?) and he said the funds used were his own personal funds. (Actually his personal funds and Trump Org funds.) At that time, I said that he is beginning to set up a defense that since they were his private funds used, the payoffs had nothing to do with the campaign. AND even if it did, a candidate has no dollar limits as to how much he wants to put into his campaign. Let me first say that there is nothing illegal about payoffs as far as nondisclosure agreements are concerned, and I have said as much many times on this board before. In fact, NDAs are usually created with inducements. The issue in Trump’s case was the intent. Did he do this because he did not want knowledge of the affairs to negatively affect his electability OR did he do this to spare his family, business reputation or the like? If it’s the former, it is a campaign violation because of three reasons: (1) Cohen fronted the $130,000 to Daniels which exceeded the personal contribution limit by $127,300 EVEN if Trump reimbursed him; (2) the payoff to McDougal was through Trump Org and corporations are barred from making contributions to candidate committees; and (3) neither was reported in FEC filings. And Trump is implicated if it is true that he directed Cohen to do all this. However, if it’s the latter, none of these matter because they are not campaign-related. I don’t know if Mueller has evidence of intent, but one of the reasons campaign finance violations are difficult to prosecute is because of the high bar of proving intent (that’s exactly what happened in the Edwards case). In criminal prosecution, the standard of ‘knowingly and willfully’ has to be met. Having said all that, the “roadblock” to an indictment of Trump while in office is not whatever defense he has for this alleged crime; the roadblock is the fact that DOJ has longstanding rules that sitting presidents cannot be indicted. In the Office of Legal Counsel’s memos, the preferred mechanism for remedy is impeachment. BUT (because there’s always a but)…if Mueller has evidence of a crime by the president, he can ask the AG to excuse him from adherence to the DOJ rule and allow him to indict. The statute that governs the Special Counsel’s conduct and accountability provides that ability: "Should the Special Counsel conclude that the extraordinary circumstances of any particular decision would render compliance with required review and approval procedures by the designated Departmental component inappropriate, he or she may consult directly with the Attorney General." The “extraordinary circumstances” could include, but not be limited to: (1) current political climate of hyperpartisanship that would preclude the Senate from voting for impeachment; (2) the continuance of criminal acts absent indictment; and (3) the possibility of running out the clock on the statute of limitations. Then it’s up to the AG whether he agrees or not. As to whether Mueller would do this or the AG would agree, no one knows. But it’s a feasible alternative. It’ll be a battle royale between the two sides, of course, but it will finally settle this issue once and for all. I feel like I should pay you tuition. Or at least a RefuPea honorarium. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 6:15:24 GMT
Chris Lu..
“On Tuesday, Trump will be weakening federal rules that protect millions of acres of wetlands. This change has long been pushed by real estate developers and golf course owners. I’m sure there’s absolutely no connection to his business interests.”
Bit by bit trump is removing everything that stands in the way of trump the businessman from making a buck.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 6:46:49 GMT
This is starting to get pretty hilarious. I’m pretty sure Mick Mulvaney doesn’t want the job, either. (I have to laugh because otherwise I’d be crying.) Lawyers’ bills are what’s scaring these people. That might be 1 part of it, but I'd bet that all of these people know that they don't want their reputations tarnished + they don't want to be on Trump's bad side (a few weeks after they're hired). They know about the drama in the White House......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 7:45:49 GMT
Someone is watching Fox News.. ”James Comey’s behind closed doors testimony reveals that “there was not evidence of Campaign Collusion” with Russia when he left the FBI. In other words, the Witch Hunt is illegal and should never have been started!” ”Former FBI Director James Comey under fire for his testimony acknowledging he knew that the Democrats paid for that phony Trump Dossier.” @loudobbs Details on Tuesday night.” 1. The Steel Dossier has not been disproved. 2. So what that the Democrats paid for opposition research? I suspect if the “outside world” got a look at internal emails and memos of the GOP, like they did with the Democrats, you would find pretty much the same thing they are accusing the left of doing. So what that the Democrats paid for opposition research? I suspect if the “outside world” got a look at internal emails and memos of the GOP, like they did with the Democrats, you would find pretty much the same thing they are accusing the left of doing.That’s not the issue. The contention is that the Steele dossier was used as the basis for obtaining the FISA warrant to surveil Carter Page and others, and no one informed the FISA judge through several renewals that the FBI could not corroborate it. Additionally, no one informed the judge that the dossier was paid for by the Clinton campaign (although the request did have a footnote that the origin was such). Do NOT get the impression I’m defending Lou Dobbs or Fox here. I’m merely stating their contention. It is up to the FISA judge to determine if there was fault. The issue is trump and company wants one to believe the Steel dossier is some nefarious document that was somehow used to illegally obtain FISA warrants and led to the Russia investigation and that somehow the Clinton Campaign broke the law in contracting with Fusion to obtain opposition research on trump. When in fact there is nothing illegal in doing opposition research. Well maybe there would be a problem if the researcher broke the law in obtaining the information. While the Steel dossier was submitted as part of paperwork to obtain the FISA warrants, it was not the basis for them. All 4 judges that signed the FISA warrants knew the information on the dossier had not been proven or disproven but had come from someone the FBI felt was a credible source. The judges also knew the report was commissioned with the intent to find information to discredit trump. The Steel dossier is just a document of little importance until such time the information on it can be proven or disproven. trump thinks if he can somehow convince the world none of the information is true, Mueller’s investigation was started because of the fake information on the dossier and it’s illegal then he can discredit Mueller’s investigations and have fodder he can use to continue his attacks on Hillary.
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Post by dewryce on Dec 11, 2018 7:56:49 GMT
Hadn’t at least two other FISA warrants been issued for Carter page prior to the one referencing the Steele dossier in precious years? The man was already on our radar big time; so of course when new information comes through that he may need to be closely looked at again, from a trusted source at that, they feel it merits investigation even if not yet proven.
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Post by pierkiss on Dec 11, 2018 12:20:13 GMT
Chris Lu.. “On Tuesday, Trump will be weakening federal rules that protect millions of acres of wetlands. This change has long been pushed by real estate developers and golf course owners. I’m sure there’s absolutely no connection to his business interests.” Bit by bit trump is removing everything that stands in the way of trump the businessman from making a buck. Goodbye environment. And also, good luck to the assholes who decide to build a golf course on a wetland. I hope your endavour sinks into the muck and everyone gets eaten by alligators!
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Post by hop2 on Dec 11, 2018 12:25:30 GMT
ok. Looks like it’s time to clean house
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Post by hop2 on Dec 11, 2018 12:33:06 GMT
Chris Lu.. “On Tuesday, Trump will be weakening federal rules that protect millions of acres of wetlands. This change has long been pushed by real estate developers and golf course owners. I’m sure there’s absolutely no connection to his business interests.” Bit by bit trump is removing everything that stands in the way of trump the businessman from making a buck. Goodbye environment. And also, good luck to the assholes who decide to build a golf course on a wetland. I hope your endavour sinks into the muck and everyone gets eaten by alligators! by then it will be too late. The birds who need the wetlands for a habitat will be dead and the damage will be done up stream. The WORST human issue about not preserving wetlands is that wetlands hold water. If the swamp is turned into a dry golf course or a dry housing complex then there isn’t any place for the water to go which leads to more flooding. This contributes to why we have deeper more unusual flooding in places there wasn’t flooding before. It’s not rocket science people. ( well it’s earth science I guess Trump skipped 9th grade science )
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 11, 2018 13:56:43 GMT
I feel like I should pay you tuition. Or at least a RefuPea honorarium. Thank you. Lol. Always my pleasure.
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 11, 2018 14:03:29 GMT
The “extraordinary circumstances” could include, but not be limited to: (1) current political climate of hyperpartisanship that would preclude the Senate from voting for impeachment; (2) the continuance of criminal acts absent indictment; and (3) the possibility of running out the clock on the statute of limitations. Then it’s up to the AG whether he agrees or not. As to whether Mueller would do this or the AG would agree, no one knows. But it’s a feasible alternative. It’ll be a battle royale between the two sides, of course, but it will finally settle this issue once and for all. Actually all three would apply! Just clarifying something so there’s no misunderstanding. Those three enumerated above are not from the statute. Those were merely my suggestions for possible justifications given the situation we’re in now.
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