lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 12, 2018 18:31:26 GMT
MSNBC.. “Flynn asks for no jail time, cites FBI not warning him not to lie” ”Michael Flynn's defense attorneys ask for no jail time for the former national security adviser in late-night court filing.” So why would you lie in the first place to FBI Agents regardless of what they did or didn’t say once they presented themselves as FBI Agents. lol. Not lying to the FBI should be basic and common knowledge among adults in the government (and every other sector in this country). You don’t lie to the FBI. This needs to be clarified. It's not that Flynn did not know he wasn’t supposed to lie. He, of course, knows it because he was a director of an intelligence agency. The issue is that the relevant statue obligates federal agents to issue a warning prior to an interview, irrespective of whether a prospective defendant is aware of his rights or not. And they did not. The explanation for this is right in the pleading his lawyers submitted to the court (pages 8-9). What his lawyers are saying is that this procedural fault be one of the considerations, not the only, or even the main, consideration in Flynn's sentencing. The main considerations are his military service and cooperation with investigators after his plea deal. (Why Flynn met with the FBI for a “sit-down” without legal counsel is unknown to me. No one, public or private individual, should speak to the FBI without his/her lawyer present. That’s a protection guaranteed under the law. If you will recall, Hillary herself is a lawyer, cognizant of all her constitutional rights, but despite that fact, she brought her lawyers with her when she sat down with the FBI. That’s the way it should be handled.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 19:05:57 GMT
lol. Not lying to the FBI should be basic and common knowledge among adults in the government (and every other sector in this country). You don’t lie to the FBI. This needs to be clarified. It's not that Flynn did not know he wasn’t supposed to lie. He, of course, knows it because he was a director of an intelligence agency. The issue is that the relevant statue obligates federal agents to issue a warning prior to an interview, irrespective of whether a prospective defendant is aware of his rights or not. And they did not. The explanation for this is right in the pleading his lawyers submitted to the court (pages 8-9). What his lawyers are saying is that this procedural fault be one of the considerations, not the only, or even the main, consideration in Flynn's sentencing. The main considerations are his military service and cooperation with investigators after his plea deal. (Why Flynn met with the FBI for a “sit-down” without legal counsel is unknown to me. No one, public or private individual, should speak to the FBI without his/her lawyer present. That’s a protection guaranteed under the law. If you will recall, Hillary herself is a lawyer, cognizant of all her constitutional rights, but despite that fact, she brought her lawyers with her when she sat down with the FBI. That’s the way it should be handled.) No I don’t thing anything needs to be clarified from the point of the post and that is why would anyone think it’s a good idea to lie to the FBI. Nothing was said ,in either of the posts, about the desperate attempt of Flynn’s attorneys to try and get some leniency because the FBI didn’t properly identify the purpose of the meeting. I mean if he had known the purpose of the meeting he wouldn’t of lied but not knowing he felt it was ok to lie to the FBI Do you see how ridiculous that is, and that was the point of the original post. Nothing more.
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Post by pierkiss on Dec 12, 2018 19:12:23 GMT
lol. Not lying to the FBI should be basic and common knowledge among adults in the government (and every other sector in this country). You don’t lie to the FBI. This needs to be clarified. It's not that Flynn did not know he wasn’t supposed to lie. He, of course, knows it because he was a director of an intelligence agency. The issue is that the relevant statue obligates federal agents to issue a warning prior to an interview, irrespective of whether a prospective defendant is aware of his rights or not. And they did not. The explanation for this is right in the pleading his lawyers submitted to the court (pages 8-9). What his lawyers are saying is that this procedural fault be one of the considerations, not the only, or even the main, consideration in Flynn's sentencing. The main considerations are his military service and cooperation with investigators after his plea deal. (Why Flynn met with the FBI for a “sit-down” without legal counsel is unknown to me. No one, public or private individual, should speak to the FBI without his/her lawyer present. That’s a protection guaranteed under the law. If you will recall, Hillary herself is a lawyer, cognizant of all her constitutional rights, but despite that fact, she brought her lawyers with her when she sat down with the FBI. That’s the way it should be handled.) Oh, so similar (or the same?) as saying the police did not fully ready you your rights upon arrest? Thank You for clarifying!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 19:17:34 GMT
NPR....
”Just in: Federal prosecutors signed an agreement with tabloid publisher American Media, Inc., agreeing it will not be prosecuted in exchange for its cooperation in their investigation into payments made to keep a woman quiet about allegations against Donald Trump in 2016.”
What a mess. You have the Russians meddling in the election. Comey released the letter about nothing days before the election. And now there is proof that at least two women were “bribed “ , with trump’s blessing, to keep their mouths shut so what they had to tell couldn’t hurt candidate trump before the election.
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 12, 2018 19:20:52 GMT
This needs to be clarified. It's not that Flynn did not know he wasn’t supposed to lie. He, of course, knows it because he was a director of an intelligence agency. The issue is that the relevant statue obligates federal agents to issue a warning prior to an interview, irrespective of whether a prospective defendant is aware of his rights or not. And they did not. The explanation for this is right in the pleading his lawyers submitted to the court (pages 8-9). What his lawyers are saying is that this procedural fault be one of the considerations, not the only, or even the main, consideration in Flynn's sentencing. The main considerations are his military service and cooperation with investigators after his plea deal. (Why Flynn met with the FBI for a “sit-down” without legal counsel is unknown to me. No one, public or private individual, should speak to the FBI without his/her lawyer present. That’s a protection guaranteed under the law. If you will recall, Hillary herself is a lawyer, cognizant of all her constitutional rights, but despite that fact, she brought her lawyers with her when she sat down with the FBI. That’s the way it should be handled.) Oh, so similar (or the same?) as saying the police did not fully ready you your rights upon arrest? Thank You for clarifying!!! Yes, exactly that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 19:22:41 GMT
Michael Cohen 12/19/2015...
“@hillaryclinton when you go to prison for defrauding America and perjury, your room and board will be free!”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 19:29:32 GMT
trump...
”Another very bad terror attack in France. We are going to strengthen our borders even more. Chuck and Nancy must give us the votes to get additional Border Security!”
“The Democrats and President Obama gave Iran 150 Billion Dollars and got nothing, but they can’t give 5 Billion Dollars for National Security and a Wall?”
He is actually showing some restraint when it comes to “Chuck and Nancy”.
But of course he just has to lie. I wonder if he even knows what the truth is anymore.
He still hasn’t said what he is going to do about the angry white guys with guns in this country.
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Post by Skellinton on Dec 12, 2018 19:44:11 GMT
trump... ”Another very bad terror attack in France. We are going to strengthen our borders even more. Chuck and Nancy must give us the votes to get additional Border Security!” “The Democrats and President Obama gave Iran 150 Billion Dollars and got nothing, but they can’t give 5 Billion Dollars for National Security and a Wall?” He is actually showing some restraint when it comes to “Chuck and Nancy”. But of course he just has to lie. I wonder if he even knows what the truth is anymore. He still hasn’t said what he is going to do about the angry white guys with guns in this country. One thing he said in that very mature meeting yesterday struck me as odd and maybe a new facet to his argument. He mentioned that the people crossing the border are bringing contagious dieseases, is that a new threat he is using to scare everyone, or have I just missed it with all the other crazy? And is it safe to assume there is really no basis for this?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Dec 12, 2018 19:47:21 GMT
no, it's not a new argument, and there's no basis for it. No new diseases, no old diseases... I think one of the crazy right-wingers was even belly-aching on about smallpox (?) in the caravan hullabaloo, IIRC. It just goes to show that people who only watch (Fox) TV for their news don't ever bother to do any fact-checking.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 20:11:24 GMT
linkThe Atlantic... “Trump Moves to Deport Vietnam War Refugees”From the article. The Trump administration is resuming its efforts to deport certain protected Vietnamese immigrants who have lived in the United States for decades—many of them having fled the country during the Vietnam war. This is the latest move in the president’s long record of prioritizing harsh immigration and asylum restrictions, and one that’s sure to raise eyebrows—the White House had hesitantly backed off the plan in August before reversing course. In essence, the administration has now decided that Vietnamese migrants who arrived in the country before the establishment of diplomatic ties between the United States and Vietnam are subject to standard immigration law—meaning they are all eligible for deportation.” It just never ends with his racism. As noted in the article some of these people have been in this country since the Vietnam War.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 20:43:20 GMT
Paul Waldman...
“One thing that strikes me about Cohen, Manafort, and Flynn: They're all shady characters who thought Trump could be a vehicle for either redemption or an elevation in status. Instead, getting to close to him was their complete undoing.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 20:48:29 GMT
Ben Carson..
”The seeds the President has planted are growing and the promise they hold will improve places long forgotten, and the lives of those who call those places home.”
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Dec 12, 2018 20:50:57 GMT
Ben Carson.. ”The seeds the President has planted are growing and the promise they hold will improve places long forgotten, and the lives of those who call those places home.” wait-- he woke up? lol. I agree with the part about 'the seeds he planted are growing' but they fruit they're bearing is indictments, not improvements. (at least not improvements for THOSE people- the indictments are improving things for the REST of us, lol.)
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Post by hop2 on Dec 12, 2018 20:54:39 GMT
trump... ”Another very bad terror attack in France. We are going to strengthen our borders even more. Chuck and Nancy must give us the votes to get additional Border Security!” “The Democrats and President Obama gave Iran 150 Billion Dollars and got nothing, but they can’t give 5 Billion Dollars for National Security and a Wall?” He is actually showing some restraint when it comes to “Chuck and Nancy”. But of course he just has to lie. I wonder if he even knows what the truth is anymore. He still hasn’t said what he is going to do about the angry white guys with guns in this country. Ummm wasn’t the guy who attacked people in France born in France? So what does border security have to do with it? Same as the attacks by white dudes with guns& bombs born here - border security won’t do a thing.
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Post by prapea on Dec 12, 2018 21:09:12 GMT
trump... ”Another very bad terror attack in France. We are going to strengthen our borders even more. Chuck and Nancy must give us the votes to get additional Border Security!” “The Democrats and President Obama gave Iran 150 Billion Dollars and got nothing, but they can’t give 5 Billion Dollars for National Security and a Wall?” He is actually showing some restraint when it comes to “Chuck and Nancy”. But of course he just has to lie. I wonder if he even knows what the truth is anymore. He still hasn’t said what he is going to do about the angry white guys with guns in this country. One thing he said in that very mature meeting yesterday struck me as odd and maybe a new facet to his argument. He mentioned that the people crossing the border are bringing contagious dieseases, is that a new threat he is using to scare everyone, or have I just missed it with all the other crazy? And is it safe to assume there is really no basis for this? Trump should probably worry more about the idiota in this country who refuse to vaccinate their own kids.
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Post by prapea on Dec 12, 2018 21:09:56 GMT
trump... ”Another very bad terror attack in France. We are going to strengthen our borders even more. Chuck and Nancy must give us the votes to get additional Border Security!” “The Democrats and President Obama gave Iran 150 Billion Dollars and got nothing, but they can’t give 5 Billion Dollars for National Security and a Wall?” He is actually showing some restraint when it comes to “Chuck and Nancy”. But of course he just has to lie. I wonder if he even knows what the truth is anymore. He still hasn’t said what he is going to do about the angry white guys with guns in this country. Ummm wasn’t the guy who attacked people in France born in France? So what does border security have to do with it? Same as the attacks by white dudes with guns& bombs born here - border security won’t do a thing. So do I get a “personal wall” against racist/gun toting white people? Lolol
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 12, 2018 22:20:34 GMT
But of course he just has to lie. I wonder if he even knows what the truth is anymore. He still hasn’t said what he is going to do about the angry white guys with guns in this country. He is delusional He will do nothing about angry white men with guns! The Trump administration is resuming its efforts to deport certain protected Vietnamese immigrants who have lived in the United States for decades—many of them having fled the country during the Vietnam war. A wart he was too cowardly to go to! Ben Carson.. ”The seeds the President has planted are growing and the promise they hold will improve places long forgotten, and the lives of those who call those places home.” Planted seeds of hate, sexual assault, take from the poor give to the 1% and the list goes on and on! He is a nationalist!
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Post by lucyg on Dec 12, 2018 22:26:16 GMT
linkThe Atlantic... “Trump Moves to Deport Vietnam War Refugees”From the article. The Trump administration is resuming its efforts to deport certain protected Vietnamese immigrants who have lived in the United States for decades—many of them having fled the country during the Vietnam war. This is the latest move in the president’s long record of prioritizing harsh immigration and asylum restrictions, and one that’s sure to raise eyebrows—the White House had hesitantly backed off the plan in August before reversing course. In essence, the administration has now decided that Vietnamese migrants who arrived in the country before the establishment of diplomatic ties between the United States and Vietnam are subject to standard immigration law—meaning they are all eligible for deportation.” It just never ends with his racism. As noted in the article some of these people have been in this country since the Vietnam War. WTAF? This deserves its own thread.
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Post by lucyg on Dec 12, 2018 22:27:35 GMT
Ben Carson.. ”The seeds the President has planted are growing and the promise they hold will improve places long forgotten, and the lives of those who call those places home.” also
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Post by prapea on Dec 12, 2018 22:36:31 GMT
linkThe Atlantic... “Trump Moves to Deport Vietnam War Refugees”From the article. The Trump administration is resuming its efforts to deport certain protected Vietnamese immigrants who have lived in the United States for decades—many of them having fled the country during the Vietnam war. This is the latest move in the president’s long record of prioritizing harsh immigration and asylum restrictions, and one that’s sure to raise eyebrows—the White House had hesitantly backed off the plan in August before reversing course. In essence, the administration has now decided that Vietnamese migrants who arrived in the country before the establishment of diplomatic ties between the United States and Vietnam are subject to standard immigration law—meaning they are all eligible for deportation.” It just never ends with his racism. As noted in the article some of these people have been in this country since the Vietnam War. WTAF? This deserves its own thread. Is this for real? Oh good god. Karma, where are you?
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imsirius
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Post by imsirius on Dec 12, 2018 22:48:03 GMT
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 23:34:42 GMT
NBC...
“Orrin Hatch warns Senate 'is in crisis' in farewell speech”
“WASHINGTON — Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch, in his farewell address on Wednesday, warned his colleagues that the upper chamber of Congress where he has served for four decades "is in crisis."
“All the evidence points to an unsettling truth: The Senate, as an institution, is in crisis or at least may be in crisis. The committee process lies in shambles," Hatch said in remarks delivered on the Senate floor. "Regular order is a relic of the past. And compromise — once the guiding credo of this great institution — is now synonymous with surrender."
Hatch, 84, is retiring this month after serving in the Senate since 1977. He is currently the Senate's president pro tempore.
On Wednesday, he reminisced about a time when the chamber was "the world's greatest deliberative body."
"Times have certainly changed," the Utah Republican said, adding that to "mend the nation, we must first mend the Senate."
"We must restore the culture of comity, compromise, and mutual respect that used to exist here. Both in our personal and public conduct, we must be the very change we want to see in the country. We must not be enemies but friends," Hatch said.
Over the last several years, Hatch said that he witnessed the deterioration of the judicial confirmation process and abandonment of regular order.
He also recounted "unlikely" friendships with Democrats in previous years, including with the late Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., and wondered if their friendship could exist today.
Hatch argued in his remarks that lawmakers should keep in mind that there is a "trickle-down effect" from what takes place on Capitol Hill to American society.
Though rarely critical of President Donald Trump, Hatch called out the president for his rhetoric, saying that, "Restoring civility requires that each of us speak responsibly. That means the president. That means Congress. And that means everyone listening today."
During his long Senate career, Hatch served as chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Senate Judiciary Committee and Senate Labor Committee. Hatch will be succeeded by Republican Sen.-elect Mitt Romney, the 2012 GOP presidential nominee.”
This comes from the guy who doesn’t care the president has committed crimes because he is doing a good job. This comes from the guy who never spoke out against the crap Mcaconnell pulled. Don’t like today’s Senate? Then he shouldn’t have been complicate to what was happening in the Senate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 0:27:36 GMT
Elizabeth de la Vega (former Fed Pros - Organized Crime )
“Btw, it's imp't for everyone to know that no warnings are needed for a voluntary, non-custodial interview. Also, of course, the idea that Flynn didn't know lying to the FBI was a crime is ludicrous, as is the idea that he thought lying would be cool because everyone was jocular.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 0:49:00 GMT
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imsirius
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Post by imsirius on Dec 13, 2018 2:02:56 GMT
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Post by lucyg on Dec 13, 2018 3:05:01 GMT
I am 0% interested in anything Orrin Hatch has to say today. And you’re right, he IS complicit in Mitch McConnell’s politics of party and power over nation and decency.
Go away, Orrin. And take your asshole friend Mitch with you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 14:13:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 14:15:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 14:54:37 GMT
This from the Daily Beast..
“Melania Trump: Journalists are "opportunists" using Trump name to "advance themselves"
Prompted this response from Paul Waldman...
”She considers REPORTING on the president and the first lady to be "using the Trump name," as though journalists ought to pay her a royalty fee for the privilege.”
Its becoming clearer that Melania and trump are alike in many ways.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 15:05:35 GMT
trump..
“I often stated, “One way or the other, Mexico is going to pay for the Wall.” This has never changed. Our new deal with Mexico (and Canada), the USMCA, is so much better than the old, very costly & anti-USA NAFTA deal, that just by the money we save, MEXICO IS PAYING FOR THE WALL!”
You got to give the guy credit for his creative thinking. Unbelievable.
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