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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 0:07:44 GMT
Exactly. Also, employers can decide which plan they want each year. Obama had no control over whether or not an employer kept the same policy. That was Obama's error. He should have realized that employers & insurance companies, etc, were going to be unethical. Law should have been that they were legally REQUIRED to keep t&c same & continue offering same plans. It was a ploy by these people sabotage the ACA & they shouldn't have been allowed to do it. That would have been the government overstepping their authority to force the insurance companies to keep the same plans. Especially since one of the main functions of the ACA was to move folks off junk policies onto broader policies that actually covered things. It was my understanding that the “same plans” were grandfathered in, but only for a specific period of time and then all plans would have to comply with the minimum benefit requirements outlined in the ACA. There was no question the insurance companies shafted President Obama on that. They saw a way to get folks on the more expensive, broader policies and they took it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 0:14:14 GMT
He lied. He said "You can keep your doctor. Period. You can keep your insurance. Period." Then he came back and said, "I didn't say that. What I said was you can keep your insurance if and or but..." Covering, excusing and backtracking on what he said vs. claiming the insurance companies screwed it up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 0:20:42 GMT
Howard Finemen...
“My @msnbc colleague @arimelber makes a brilliant point about the obvious (and therefore easy to miss) flaw in @realdonaldtrump’s “national emergency” threat: it’s not an “emergency” if you claim that you can declare it at your leisure!”
He’s has point.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 12, 2019 0:24:15 GMT
He lied. He said "You can keep your doctor. Period. You can keep your insurance. Period." Then he came back and said, "I didn't say that. What I said was you can keep your insurance if and or but..." Covering, excusing and backtracking on what he said vs. claiming the insurance companies screwed it up. I think he should have worded his statement differently given the nuances of the insurance industry. However, using that as an example of a "lie" when comparing to Trump is laughable.
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Post by pyccku on Jan 12, 2019 1:02:30 GMT
I don't really care what Obama did or didn't do. I do care that right now, there are many people hurting because THIS president* has decided that his vanity project is worth more than the livelihoods of a whole lot of people who are already living paycheck to paycheck.
Obama is not the one who can change this now. We are in a shutdown because of Trump. It's the Trump shutdown. Congress had a bill that both houses were fine with, but Trump is the one who wouldn't sign it. It's him. It's all him.
I care that children are put in cages because Trump is a racist who sees them as vermin. I care that our soybean farmers have seen the Chinese soy market completely go away. I care that the quarterly statement for my 401K that I've received in the past couple of days are down thousands from where they were three months ago, thanks to Trump's stupid trade wars. I care that the face of my country is an orange-faced buffoon who can't keep it in his pants and seems to think he's a genius of amazing intellect when he's really the dumbest person on the planet.
Whatever Obama, or Clinton, or Bush, or Carter did...none of it matters right now. The one person who could end this immediately has decided that he's not going to, because he wants his phallic symbol along the southern border no matter who gets hurt along the way.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 12, 2019 1:39:26 GMT
What’s your point? That lying in politics is ok? It wasn’t ok when Obama said that, and it’s not ok that Donald Trump lies every single day about everything under the sun. Lying to the American people Is. Not. Ok. But, it was okay for Obama to lie. It was okay with those here who worship him. Excuses were made for him lying and people demonized for objecting to his lying. It's happening in this very thread. Excuses have already been made. It. Is. Okay. here on this board. For. Obama. To. Lie. To. The. American. People. Because Obama. I am a person on this board. It was not ok then and it’s not ok now. I would like to point out that when Obama said that, he was not lying. He did not know that the insurance companies would changes their rules and regs and coverages once ACA was approved. He didn’t know hat half of the government would fight nonstop to only overrun, thus throwing the market into chaos. Should he have expected it, probably. But he was not just making up random “facts” to get his way. Donald trump, on the other hand, is actively making up “facts” in order to get what he wants when he wants it. He is lying nonstop in order to “win” whatever the hell that means. Almost everything he says can be fact checked and proven false by multiple researchers independent of one another. That level of lying should be unbearable to the American public and to those in power in Washington. But for some fucked up reason, it’s not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 1:40:53 GMT
He lied. He said "You can keep your doctor. Period. You can keep your insurance. Period." Then he came back and said, "I didn't say that. What I said was you can keep your insurance if and or but..." Covering, excusing and backtracking on what he said vs. claiming the insurance companies screwed it up. I think he should have worded his statement differently given the nuances of the insurance industry. However, using that as an example of a "lie" when comparing to Trump is laughable. It was an Obama quote that was a some sort of "clarification", back tracking, lie, whatever... of what he said. It was in comparison to the Trump quote that was some sort of "clarification", back tracking, whatever... of what Trump said. In that way it was comparable. I'm not the one nitpicking everything to death, pjaye. Your definition of right fighting and nitpicking seems to be I'm supposed to sit down, shut up and agree with whatever the group thinks. Any backing up of what I say is met with accusations of trolling, nitpicking and right fighting. That's not a discussion, it's an echo chamber.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 12, 2019 1:41:26 GMT
OMG ricky does the same “but Obama” over every damn thing and right fights and nit picks every exact wording...just like Gia, so it's going to the land of ignore too. As for the name calling...I'm good, I plan to stop when he starts acting like a proper president. All this 'higher ground' is bullshit and I don't blame anyone for not taking it where's he's concerned. He's not some powerless underprivileged kid who can't defend defend himself and needs someone to step in to protect him. He's a fat, privileged white guy who keeps telling us he's a billionaire, and who himself calls other world leaders childish names. So no, I'm not going to pretend it's somehow a bad thing to call him names...he's a fat, ugly, orange trantrum throwing toddler with a fucked up combover and it makes me feel better to say that & I won't be stopping anytime soon. That applies to sewer rat Barbie & her sister wife Sanders as well. I think I love you. 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 1:53:32 GMT
I don't really care what Obama did or didn't do. I do care that right now, there are many people hurting because THIS president* has decided that his vanity project is worth more than the livelihoods of a whole lot of people who are already living paycheck to paycheck. Obama is not the one who can change this now. We are in a shutdown because of Trump. It's the Trump shutdown. Congress had a bill that both houses were fine with, but Trump is the one who wouldn't sign it. It's him. It's all him. I care that children are put in cages because Trump is a racist who sees them as vermin. I care that our soybean farmers have seen the Chinese soy market completely go away. I care that the quarterly statement for my 401K that I've received in the past couple of days are down thousands from where they were three months ago, thanks to Trump's stupid trade wars. I care that the face of my country is an orange-faced buffoon who can't keep it in his pants and seems to think he's a genius of amazing intellect when he's really the dumbest person on the planet. Whatever Obama, or Clinton, or Bush, or Carter did...none of it matters right now. The one person who could end this immediately has decided that he's not going to, because he wants his phallic symbol along the southern border no matter who gets hurt along the way. The same Democrats that voted to build a wall and stop illegal immigration are now calling that action immoral. The same people that put kids in cages are calling Trump racist for doing so. Obama shut down the government and made moves and specific closures meant to be vindictive and make an impression and that was the Republican's fault, according to the left. Now it's Trump and it's still the Republican's fault, according the the left. It's the same shit, different year and certain people will always put the blame on the other side, no matter what. Because that's who they are. It's the same actions, but they take no responsibility when they do them. If Pelosi, Schumer & co. wanted this before and were even willing to spend way more than now to do it, then it can be said they are putting their Trump hate above the livelihoods of a whole lot of people who are already living paycheck to paycheck. There's more than one way to look at things and I see it differently than many of you. And that should be okay. I shouldn't be steamrolled and demonized into submission.
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Post by pyccku on Jan 12, 2019 2:02:55 GMT
I’m siding with the ones who aren’t being investigated as to whether or not they are secretly working for Russia.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2019 2:08:45 GMT
I think he should have worded his statement differently given the nuances of the insurance industry. However, using that as an example of a "lie" when comparing to Trump is laughable. It was an Obama quote that was a some sort of "clarification", back tracking, lie, whatever... of what he said. It was in comparison to the Trump quote that was some sort of "clarification", back tracking, whatever... of what Trump said. In that way it was comparable. I'm not the one nitpicking everything to death, pjaye. Your definition of right fighting and nitpicking seems to be I'm supposed to sit down, shut up and agree with whatever the group thinks. Any backing up of what I say is met with accusations of trolling, nitpicking and right fighting. That's not a discussion, it's an echo chamber. Peas are telling you the facts, you refuse to believe them. That doesn’t equate to it being an echo chamber, it’s you’d rather believe your false claims.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 2:10:03 GMT
It was an Obama quote that was a some sort of "clarification", back tracking, lie, whatever... of what he said. It was in comparison to the Trump quote that was some sort of "clarification", back tracking, whatever... of what Trump said. In that way it was comparable. I'm not the one nitpicking everything to death, pjaye . Your definition of right fighting and nitpicking seems to be I'm supposed to sit down, shut up and agree with whatever the group thinks. Any backing up of what I say is met with accusations of trolling, nitpicking and right fighting. That's not a discussion, it's an echo chamber. Peas are telling you the facts, you refuse to believe them. That doesn’t equate to it being an echo chamber, it’s you’d rather believe your false claims. You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in your shiny metal ass.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2019 2:11:26 GMT
I don't really care what Obama did or didn't do. I do care that right now, there are many people hurting because THIS president* has decided that his vanity project is worth more than the livelihoods of a whole lot of people who are already living paycheck to paycheck. Obama is not the one who can change this now. We are in a shutdown because of Trump. It's the Trump shutdown. Congress had a bill that both houses were fine with, but Trump is the one who wouldn't sign it. It's him. It's all him. I care that children are put in cages because Trump is a racist who sees them as vermin. I care that our soybean farmers have seen the Chinese soy market completely go away. I care that the quarterly statement for my 401K that I've received in the past couple of days are down thousands from where they were three months ago, thanks to Trump's stupid trade wars. I care that the face of my country is an orange-faced buffoon who can't keep it in his pants and seems to think he's a genius of amazing intellect when he's really the dumbest person on the planet. Whatever Obama, or Clinton, or Bush, or Carter did...none of it matters right now. The one person who could end this immediately has decided that he's not going to, because he wants his phallic symbol along the southern border no matter who gets hurt along the way. The same Democrats that voted to build a wall and stop illegal immigration are now calling that action immoral. The same people that put kids in cages are calling Trump racist for doing so. Obama shut down the government and made moves and specific closures meant to be vindictive and make an impression and that was the Republican's fault, according to the left. Now it's Trump and it's still the Republican's fault, according the the left. It's the same shit, different year and certain people will always put the blame on the other side, no matter what. Because that's who they are. It's the same actions, but they take no responsibility when they do them. If Pelosi, Schumer & co. wanted this before and were even willing to spend way more than now to do it, then it can be said they are putting their Trump hate above the livelihoods of a whole lot of people who are already living paycheck to paycheck. There's more than one way to look at things and I see it differently than many of you. And that should be okay. I shouldn't be steamrolled and demonized into submission. You can look at it anyway you want—the peas here are providing facts, countering your false claims and lies. You are not being demonized (more gaslighting on your part) you’re being educated as to the facts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 2:14:14 GMT
OMG ricky does the same “but Obama” over every damn thing and right fights and nit picks every exact wording...just like Gia, so it's going to the land of ignore too. As for the name calling...I'm good, I plan to stop when he starts acting like a proper president. All this 'higher ground' is bullshit and I don't blame anyone for not taking it where's he's concerned. He's not some powerless underprivileged kid who can't defend defend himself and needs someone to step in to protect him. He's a fat, privileged white guy who keeps telling us he's a billionaire, and who himself calls other world leaders childish names. So no, I'm not going to pretend it's somehow a bad thing to call him names...he's a fat, ugly, orange trantrum throwing toddler with a fucked up combover and it makes me feel better to say that & I won't be stopping anytime soon. That applies to sewer rat Barbie & her sister wife Sanders as well. This is 100% on point!! Thanks for the chuckle!
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 12, 2019 6:00:03 GMT
Sometimes I think the periodic visits of our resident shapeshifting hypocrisy police chief are tiresome. Other times, I learn. This time I learned that political cartoonists exaggerate the facial features of subjects who actively CHOOSE to make those features more distinctive. <Head smack> <Trip to Google images> Barack Obama willing his ears to stick out: Lindsay Graham purposely half-closing his eyes for that heavy-lidded look: Nancy Pelosi intentionally making her eyes protrude: Me? I’m staring into my iPad right this very second - yeah, you see me - trying to make the bump on my nose look more prominent. Is it working?
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Post by used2scrap on Jan 12, 2019 6:04:23 GMT
I don't really care what Obama did or didn't do. I do care that right now, there are many people hurting because THIS president* has decided that his vanity project is worth more than the livelihoods of a whole lot of people who are already living paycheck to paycheck. Obama is not the one who can change this now. We are in a shutdown because of Trump. It's the Trump shutdown. Congress had a bill that both houses were fine with, but Trump is the one who wouldn't sign it. It's him. It's all him. I care that children are put in cages because Trump is a racist who sees them as vermin. I care that our soybean farmers have seen the Chinese soy market completely go away. I care that the quarterly statement for my 401K that I've received in the past couple of days are down thousands from where they were three months ago, thanks to Trump's stupid trade wars. I care that the face of my country is an orange-faced buffoon who can't keep it in his pants and seems to think he's a genius of amazing intellect when he's really the dumbest person on the planet. Whatever Obama, or Clinton, or Bush, or Carter did...none of it matters right now. The one person who could end this immediately has decided that he's not going to, because he wants his phallic symbol along the southern border no matter who gets hurt along the way. The same Democrats that voted to build a wall and stop illegal immigration are now calling that action immoral. The same people that put kids in cages are calling Trump racist for doing so. Obama shut down the government and made moves and specific closures meant to be vindictive and make an impression and that was the Republican's fault, according to the left. Now it's Trump and it's still the Republican's fault, according the the left. It's the same shit, different year and certain people will always put the blame on the other side, no matter what. Because that's who they are. It's the same actions, but they take no responsibility when they do them. If Pelosi, Schumer & co. wanted this before and were even willing to spend way more than now to do it, then it can be said they are putting their Trump hate above the livelihoods of a whole lot of people who are already living paycheck to paycheck. There's more than one way to look at things and I see it differently than many of you. And that should be okay. I shouldn't be steamrolled and demonized into submission. The Republican majority congress passed a spending bill before Christmas that would have kept the government open while border security was negotiated. But the Republican president refused to sign it. Heck the Republicans have had 2 years in control to solve the issue and fund the government beyond kicking the can down the road with continuing resolutions...
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Post by lucyg on Jan 12, 2019 7:40:50 GMT
He also didn't lie, and get caught in his lies, multiple times EVERY GOSH DARN DAY. Yea, all politicians lie, and it sucks and they shouldn't. But Trump literally makes sh!t up, every single freaking day.
Sorry, but there is just NO one who compares to Trump when it comes to lying to the American people. Bill Clinton lied about whether he had sex with someone and was impeached. Trump lies about everything, and still, people support him. I don't get it.
And for the record, I was no Clinton fan. Not really a huge Obama fan at the time either. But looking back...
Hillary was shown to lie an insane amount and people still supported her. Go figure. She and Trump were compared by the fact checkers and Trump's count was higher, but not enough to matter. They were so close. I corrected this idiocy (with links) in the other thread, but I’m sure you will ignore it in both places. Hillary lied or misspoke a handful of times over a very long public career. Trump lies about everything, daily, many thousands of times just in the past two years. No legitimate fact checker compared them and said they’re close in any way.
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Post by lucyg on Jan 12, 2019 7:51:46 GMT
oh, good lord. Gia? Is that you? I’m done. This argument will just go around and around in circles forever.
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Post by missfrenchjessica on Jan 12, 2019 12:09:01 GMT
I don't really care what Obama did or didn't do. I do care that right now, there are many people hurting because THIS president* has decided that his vanity project is worth more than the livelihoods of a whole lot of people who are already living paycheck to paycheck. Obama is not the one who can change this now. We are in a shutdown because of Trump. It's the Trump shutdown. Congress had a bill that both houses were fine with, but Trump is the one who wouldn't sign it. It's him. It's all him. I care that children are put in cages because Trump is a racist who sees them as vermin. I care that our soybean farmers have seen the Chinese soy market completely go away. I care that the quarterly statement for my 401K that I've received in the past couple of days are down thousands from where they were three months ago, thanks to Trump's stupid trade wars. I care that the face of my country is an orange-faced buffoon who can't keep it in his pants and seems to think he's a genius of amazing intellect when he's really the dumbest person on the planet. Whatever Obama, or Clinton, or Bush, or Carter did...none of it matters right now. The one person who could end this immediately has decided that he's not going to, because he wants his phallic symbol along the southern border no matter who gets hurt along the way. I wish I could like this a million times. You sum up my feelings about this exactly! God, I hate this man. What an asshole.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 15:01:46 GMT
linkHere is example of how the poison that oozes from trump has spread to other parts of the government. Lawfare.. “Case Closed: The Justice Department Won’t Stand Behind Its Report on Immigrants and Terrorism”From the article.. Don’t look now, but the United States Department of Justice just came perilously close to admitting that it engaged in disinformation about immigrants and terrorism in a formal government report. I say perilously close, because the department did not quite admit it; in fact, the letter sent to a group of people, including me, who had raised concerns about a report the Justice Department published last January, announces that the department has concluded that “the Report should not be withdrawn or corrected.” But the letter, sent to us by Deputy Assistant Attorney General Michael H. Allen, also concedes that “the Report could be criticized by some readers, consistent with some of the concerns presented,” and promises that the department will follow the “principles” of an obscure law known as the Information Quality Act better “in issuing future reports ... to better present such information to the public.” This is about as close as the Trump administration is going to get to admitting that it used a formal government report to distort data to slime Muslims and immigrants. Let’s back up and consider the whole story in context.” ETA - You have to read the article to see the whole story. I just put the beginning and ending of the article. IMO it’s worth reading.”In short, the department’s position appears to be that it acknowledges error and promises not to make such errors again in the future; it just doesn’t acknowledge that the errors are bad enough to warrant correction. Whatevs, guys. I could wax at some length about how wrong it is for the government to put out a report on a critical matter of national security designed to influence the public’s understanding of national security and immigration policy, to acknowledge that is full of errors and could be perceived to lack objectivity, and yet to refuse to do anything about it. I could complain all day about a decision to let that report stand as the government's definitive statement on the matter, so that readers of the report won't have any way of knowing how flawed it is. But I’m not going to do that. Because at this point, from my vantage point, the record is quite clear: The president of the United States told a frank falsehood to a joint session of Congress, citing Justice Department data that do not exist in order to do so. He did this despite warnings from career FBI and Justice Department officials that the real data could not support such statements. And the Justice Department, a year later, released a report that—while stopping short of the president’s outright falsehoods—was designed to be as suggestive of them as possible; while the department will not retract this report, it also will not defend it, and it has committed itself, as I read its letter, to not repeating its error in this tawdry episode. Here’s hoping that, at least, is the truth”
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2019 15:37:06 GMT
Peas are telling you the facts, you refuse to believe them. That doesn’t equate to it being an echo chamber, it’s you’d rather believe your false claims. You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in your shiny metal ass. Sweetheart—look in a mirror. I’ve posted more truth and real, accurate facts in the last 2 days than you have in your entire trolling/alt ID here. You are a liar. You are a hypocrite. You are a gaslighter. You are a trump apologist. You are a far right conservative propagandist.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 15:48:02 GMT
The same Democrats that voted to build a wall and stop illegal immigration are now calling that action immoral. The same people that put kids in cages are calling Trump racist for doing so. Obama shut down the government and made moves and specific closures meant to be vindictive and make an impression and that was the Republican's fault, according to the left. Now it's Trump and it's still the Republican's fault, according the the left. It's the same shit, different year and certain people will always put the blame on the other side, no matter what. Because that's who they are. It's the same actions, but they take no responsibility when they do them. If Pelosi, Schumer & co. wanted this before and were even willing to spend way more than now to do it, then it can be said they are putting their Trump hate above the livelihoods of a whole lot of people who are already living paycheck to paycheck. There's more than one way to look at things and I see it differently than many of you. And that should be okay. I shouldn't be steamrolled and demonized into submission. There is nothing wrong with looking at things differently, nothing at all. But when one cherry picks the facts to create a false narrative and pushes it as “seeing it differently “ then it becomes a dishonest argument and not just someone seeing things differently. And that is exactly what you have done with your two examples above. And when you are called on it, you start playing the role of a victim by claiming you are being “steamrolled and demonized into submission”. What a fraud.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 15:55:37 GMT
linkReuters,,, ”OPEC is not the enemy of the U.S., UAE energy minister says” Now that’s funny.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 16:00:00 GMT
Greg Sargent...
”We need to be clearer about the true pathology and cruelty of Trump's stance.
Trump keeps calling on Dems to help solve the "humanitarian crisis."
But Trump won't let solutions to the humanitarian side of the crisis proceed, because he's holding them hostage to get his wall:”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 16:04:21 GMT
In all honesty, can you believe these numbers?
trump...
“23% of Federal inmates are illegal immigrants. Border arrests are up 240%. In the Great State of Texas, between 2011 & 2018, there were a total of 292,000 crimes by illegal aliens, 539 murders, 32,000 assaults, 3,426 sexual assaults and 3000 weapons charges. Democrats come back!”
Ronna McDaniel (GOP Chairwoman)
Chuck & Nancy need to stop their political games & address the border crisis:
*1 in 3 migrant women are sexually assaulted on the journey northward
*50 illegal migrants a day are referred for emergency medical care
*CBP rescues 4,300 people a year who are in danger & distress
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Post by gar on Jan 12, 2019 16:09:54 GMT
OMG ricky does the same “but Obama” over every damn thing and right fights and nit picks every exact wording...just like Gia, . Funny that 😉
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 16:10:49 GMT
One has to wonder how the country has gotten into the mess it is in today.
Then you read this from Newsweek and you start to get an idea.....
”Utah police warn people not to drive blindfolded after teen crashes car in "Bird Box challenge"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 16:15:07 GMT
And we now have this from our fearless leader..
”I just watched a Fake reporter from the Amazon Washington Post say the White House is “chaotic, there does not seem to be a strategy for this Shutdown. There is no plan.” The Fakes always like talking Chaos, there is NONE. In fact, there’s almost nobody in the W.H. but me, and...”
”...I do have a plan on the Shutdown. But to understand that plan you would have to understand the fact that I won the election, and I promised safety and security for the American people. Part of that promise was a Wall at the Southern Border. Elections have consequences!”
That is true, elections have consequences and the American people are going to pay a heavy price for the consequences of this election for years.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2019 16:24:38 GMT
The same Democrats that voted to build a wall and stop illegal immigration are now calling that action immoral. The same people that put kids in cages are calling Trump racist for doing so. Obama shut down the government and made moves and specific closures meant to be vindictive and make an impression and that was the Republican's fault, according to the left. Now it's Trump and it's still the Republican's fault, according the the left. It's the same shit, different year and certain people will always put the blame on the other side, no matter what. Because that's who they are. It's the same actions, but they take no responsibility when they do them. If Pelosi, Schumer & co. wanted this before and were even willing to spend way more than now to do it, then it can be said they are putting their Trump hate above the livelihoods of a whole lot of people who are already living paycheck to paycheck. There's more than one way to look at things and I see it differently than many of you. And that should be okay. I shouldn't be steamrolled and demonized into submission. There is nothing wrong with looking at things differently, nothing at all. But when one cherry picks the facts to create a false narrative and pushes it as “seeing it differently “ then it becomes a dishonest argument and not just someone seeing things differently. And that is exactly what you have done with your two examples above. And when you are called on it, you start playing the role of a victim by claiming you are being “steamrolled and demonized into submission”. What a fraud. Perfectly stated.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 16:36:21 GMT
Nate Silver...
”Still kind of an amazing sequence: 1—Republicans have unified control of government for 2 years but don't even come close to passing a border wall, one of Trump's signature priorities. 2—Then they badly lose a midterm in which Trump's attempts to demonize immigrants fail (cont…)
”3—As Dems are about to take over the House, Trump shuts down the government to demand a border wall. He later claims he has a mandate for the wall, stemming from the 2016 election, despite the midterm results and polls showing both the wall and the shutdown are highly unpopular.”
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