Nanner
Drama Llama
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Post by Nanner on Jan 13, 2019 17:15:27 GMT
Sending you hugs, Elaine. I hope you can get that waiver this time, and soon.
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Post by scrapmaven on Jan 13, 2019 20:41:01 GMT
Eli has a great mama. You are doing all that you can to protect him and to get him the help he needs. How I wish that our system would cooperate w/you. I'm continuing to pray for you and your son. May an opening happen quickly.
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Post by mom on Jan 16, 2019 1:56:07 GMT
Checking in on you and Eli elaine . How are things? How are YOU?
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Post by hop2 on Jan 16, 2019 2:30:19 GMT
While I don’t disagree with you about the timing etc. of the dismantling of the state hospital system, the former system wasn’t effective for the patients either.
What the former system provided was a place to bring a family member with mental illness and plop them there. It was somewhat better & safer & better for the family, but they had to endure seeing what their family went thru in the far far from acceptable mental health system. Sometimes abusive, often inadequate care.
What the former state hospital system did provide was more stability for the community. When little Johnny down the street tortured puppies his family could pack him up and drop him off at the local state hospital before little Johnny graduated to killing people. I know this because I lived down the street from little Johnny. And after he tortured a few field mice & rabbits then killed the family cat and punched a few kids in school, then killed the neighbors pet, they packed him up and he never came home again. Lord knows what horrors he was subjected to, his mother was never the same. But we the community were protected. He didn’t come to school and kill anyone.
So I do think the former mental health hospital system should have been revamped & changed & improved it was unhealthy for the community for it to be dismantled. The former system was sometimes dangerous to the patients and heartbreaking for families the space/beds were and are needed. Too many beds were just erased. And now when a family has a violent family member with mental health problems there isn’t a place to bring them. We have 80% less mental health beds per capita than we did in 1980.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 16, 2019 2:31:30 GMT
And Hugs Elaine hang in there. I hope you can find him the help he needs.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 16, 2019 10:52:36 GMT
While I don’t disagree with you about the timing etc. of the dismantling of the state hospital system, the former system wasn’t effective for the patients either. What the former system provided was a place to bring a family member with mental illness and plop them there. It was somewhat better & safer & better for the family, but they had to endure seeing what their family went thru in the far far from acceptable mental health system. Sometimes abusive, often inadequate care. What the former state hospital system did provide was more stability for the community. When little Johnny down the street tortured puppies his family could pack him up and drop him off at the local state hospital before little Johnny graduated to killing people. I know this because I lived down the street from little Johnny. And after he tortured a few field mice & rabbits then killed the family cat and punched a few kids in school, then killed the neighbors pet, they packed him up and he never came home again. Lord knows what horrors he was subjected to, his mother was never the same. But we the community were protected. He didn’t come to school and kill anyone. So I do think the former mental health hospital system should have been revamped & changed & improved it was unhealthy for the community for it to be dismantled. The former system was sometimes dangerous to the patients and heartbreaking for families the space/beds were and are needed. Too many beds were just erased. And now when a family has a violent family member with mental health problems there isn’t a place to bring them. We have 80% less mental health beds per capita than we did in 1980. May I ask you what decade this was?
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Post by dasmith2 on Jan 16, 2019 11:06:26 GMT
My thoughts and prayers are with your family I hope your son gets the help he needs 💕
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 11:10:35 GMT
I hope thing will start to move forward for you and Eli pretty soon elaine . It must be so frustrating for you ((((hugs))))
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Post by hop2 on Jan 16, 2019 12:30:14 GMT
And Hugs Elaine hang in there. I hope you can find him the help he needs. at some point during the early/mid 1970’s in NY. I did not know the family well enough to know what things the did before ‘Johnny’ just was gone. But I do know he went to the state hospital after the neighbors cat incident. I don’t know if/when he got out but he never came home before I moved away to college in the 80’s. Yes I realize this was the end of the era of institutionalized mental health facilities. Grey stone state mental hospital in NJ was open until the early 2000’s my co worker MIL lived there permanently. There’s still a mental health hospital there but it’s much much smaller - much less beds available. I just mentioned it because while we have a huge huge shortage of beds for mental health care now, and that’s a huge issue, the former system wasn’t really any thing to cling to for the benefit of the patient. The care they get now when you can get it is much more humane. So the ‘old’ system needed to be changed as opposed to dismantled was my point. I’ve read several articles which list the decline of beds available per capita from the 1950’s until the 2000’s the lowest I read was 80% less beds per capita the article I found today says 96% less beds per capita. Which I feel is a crisis www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/storage/documents/backgrounders/bed-supply-need-per-capita.pdf
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 12:50:11 GMT
Hugs for today.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 16, 2019 14:16:04 GMT
marking my spot on this thread because I didn't see it before. will come back to post again after reading. ETA: elaine, I am so sorry I missed seeing this thread the first time around-- huge (((((HUGS))))) to you and your family for what you're going through right now. It's hard enough recovering from a medical procedure, without having to deal with something like this on top of it! While I don't have any experience with this type of issue, I do know the frustration of playing phone-tag and getting the runaround from medical providers, insurance company 'customer service' reps, etc. I hope you're having a better day today!
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inkedup
Pearl Clutcher
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Post by inkedup on Jan 16, 2019 17:55:08 GMT
Sending love to you, Eli, your husband and your other son. You have all been in my thoughts.
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