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Post by mom26 on Jan 25, 2019 1:20:29 GMT
Who said? Just so people can argue and say how wrong I am ? I could care less what people on the internet think about me and my opinions. I thought the op was taking a census of some sort. I already said upthread I am fiscally conservative but lean more liberal on some social issues. I really don't have any problem with you not wanting to get into a discussion (I get it), but if you TRULY didn't care what anyone here thinks, you wouldn't mind putting your opinion out there. mom26 I'm another who would love to hear what this "unfiltered hate" from the left consists of. I must have missed it. Probably because my TV is never on Fox News. The 'unfiltered hate' is everywhere. Kathy Griffin holding a fake bloody head of Trump. Madonna wanting to blow up the White House. Snoop Dog pretending to shoot the president. Five minutes of Joy Behar. Debra Messing's (and others) tweets about the Covington kids. They're 14yo kids, for cripe's sake, and they and their families have received death threats. Maxine Waters and her incessant calls for violence on Republicans. Any of the 24/20+ pages of 'Trump catch all' threads. Quite a bit of hate can be found in those. I've seen people disown family and friends over political differences. Saying truly horrid things about them. But, I'm thinking if you don't see it, it's because you agree with it. (You is general you, not specific you.) And, yeah, I saw the Fox News dig. That is such an old and tired insult. Not everyone who is not left-leaning are Fox sheeple. I only watch one show on Fox - The Five - because they have a liberal panel member and I like to hear their views.
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Post by wholarmor on Jan 25, 2019 1:23:41 GMT
Right on some issues, left on others. Environment - left. The chemicals in our air and water. The destruction of the planet. We need to change our thinking. Planet > Profits. Immigration - right. We need to take care of those already here. The homeless and mental illness. The elderly and good health care. Good nutrition for all. Good health care for all. We are a sinking ship. Once we get our country stabilized, then I would support more immigration. The people we have elected at all levels, both parties, have failed us. Good healthcare for all is not a right leaning issue, lol.
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Post by gardengoddess on Jan 25, 2019 1:58:21 GMT
Interesting because I find it far more appalling that the right wing news/pundits/blogs and their conservative followers would go after the students that survived the Parkland High School shooting. They're high school kids, for cripe's sake and they and their families have received death threats.
So, want to compare? Kids that survived a school shooting vs. kids that decided it was a good idea to wear MAGA hats and act like cretins on a school trip.
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Post by mom26 on Jan 25, 2019 2:03:27 GMT
Interesting because I find it far more appalling that the right wing news/pundits/blogs and their conservative followers would go after the students that survived the Parkland High School shooting. They're high school kids, for cripe's sake and they and their families have received death threats. So, want to compare? Kids that survived a school shooting vs. kids that decided it was a good idea to wear MAGA hats and act like cretins on a school trip. Any and all who ripped the Parkland kids went on instant ignore for me. It was beyond deplorable. But seriously, blaming a MAGA hat as justification for harassment and death threats? Why not go back to blaming women being raped on the 'suggestive clothes' she was wearing. Come on. Grow up and be better than that.
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Post by mom26 on Jan 25, 2019 2:10:31 GMT
Raising my hand. I'm very liberal on social issues and very right-leaning pragmatic on financial and security issues, but the unfiltered HATE coming from the radical left is going to kill this country. This is at least the third time I’m specifically asking you this: ideologically, what characterizes the “radical left”? I haven’t gotten any answer before, so if any of the 11 of you who LIKEd this stance is willing, I would appreciate learning what you considered “radical left” to mean when you agreed with it. I’m honestly curious - and this is not the only poster here I have asked this question of who hasn’t replied. (Carp, that was a radically bad sentence.) I’ve asked it of at least four people here and none has ever replied. I’ve also asked what people mean when they write that the Democratic Party has moved alarmingly Left - and also not received any reply. (Note: normally wouldn’t interrupt a thread like this, but I am mystified why this continues to be a claim without explanation, so thought I’d try here. Full disclosure, I have more than once written here about my beliefs about the history and progression of Rightward movement in the Republican Party since the 1970s, but again: wrong thread for that. I just wanted to establish that I am personally willing to explain my own claims about shifting political ideology.) I consider the radical left to be those who fully embrace socialism. Ocasio-Cortez is a good example. It's worrisome to me because socialism can easily go extreme and quickly turn into communism. I don't want that for my country which is founded on freedom, not force..
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 25, 2019 2:26:44 GMT
Former Republican, now independent. The longer this administration is in office, the more left I become. Raising hand ✋. Me too. Yes, I believe there's a radical left. And at this point I'm not sure I believe they are worse than the radical right.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 25, 2019 2:41:25 GMT
Interesting because I find it far more appalling that the right wing news/pundits/blogs and their conservative followers would go after the students that survived the Parkland High School shooting. They're high school kids, for cripe's sake and they and their families have received death threats. So, want to compare? Kids that survived a school shooting vs. kids that decided it was a good idea to wear MAGA hats and act like cretins on a school trip. Any and all who ripped the Parkland kids went on instant ignore for me. It was beyond deplorable. But seriously, blaming a MAGA hat as justification for harassment and death threats? Why not go back to blaming women being raped on the 'suggestive clothes' she was wearing. Come on. Grow up and be better than that. Who has said that? And surely you realize that with your original list we can find equally disturbing examples from the right?
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 25, 2019 2:45:14 GMT
I used to be, before this administration pushed me so far to the left, I'm considering a bra burning... I am not far to the left and I go without a bra every minute that I can. Bra burning does not sound like a wild and crazy thing to me. Just trying to throw a glitch into the OP's spreadsheet.
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Post by mom26 on Jan 25, 2019 2:48:36 GMT
Any and all who ripped the Parkland kids went on instant ignore for me. It was beyond deplorable. But seriously, blaming a MAGA hat as justification for harassment and death threats? Why not go back to blaming women being raped on the 'suggestive clothes' she was wearing. Come on. Grow up and be better than that. Who has said that? And surely you realize that with your original list we can find equally disturbing examples from the right? Have you not seen the Savannah Guthrie interview? She makes it a point that 'if he'd not been wearing *the hat*'. Many others have made the same suggestion. I've even seen it said here that the MAGA hat is equal to a Swastika. That's beyond nuts. And, can any of your examples be as far as a baseball field of Republicans being shot at?
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Post by inkedup on Jan 25, 2019 3:05:32 GMT
Who has said that? And surely you realize that with your original list we can find equally disturbing examples from the right? Have you not seen the Savannah Guthrie interview? She makes it a point that 'if he'd not been wearing *the hat*'. Many others have made the same suggestion. I've even seen it said here that the MAGA hat is equal to a Swastika. That's beyond nuts. And, can any of your examples be as far as a baseball field of Republicans being shot at? Gabrielle Giffords.
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Post by gardengoddess on Jan 25, 2019 3:09:48 GMT
Interesting because I find it far more appalling that the right wing news/pundits/blogs and their conservative followers would go after the students that survived the Parkland High School shooting. They're high school kids, for cripe's sake and they and their families have received death threats. So, want to compare? Kids that survived a school shooting vs. kids that decided it was a good idea to wear MAGA hats and act like cretins on a school trip. Any and all who ripped the Parkland kids went on instant ignore for me. It was beyond deplorable. But seriously, blaming a MAGA hat as justification for harassment and death threats? Why not go back to blaming women being raped on the 'suggestive clothes' she was wearing. Come on. Grow up and be better than that. Who blamed the MAGA hats? Sorry you're so sensitive and defensive about them. You might want to work on that.
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Post by mellyw on Jan 25, 2019 3:13:11 GMT
Who has said that? And surely you realize that with your original list we can find equally disturbing examples from the right? Have you not seen the Savannah Guthrie interview? She makes it a point that 'if he'd not been wearing *the hat*'. Many others have made the same suggestion. I've even seen it said here that the MAGA hat is equal to a Swastika. That's beyond nuts. And, can any of your examples be as far as a baseball field of Republicans being shot at? Oh, I don’t know, but bombs being sent to President Obama, Vice President Biden, Hilary Clinton, George Soros, CNN, etc.. seems a comparable example. Thankfully the bombs didn’t go off, doesn’t make the intent any less than what happened on that ball field.
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Post by mom26 on Jan 25, 2019 3:15:00 GMT
Have you not seen the Savannah Guthrie interview? She makes it a point that 'if he'd not been wearing *the hat*'. Many others have made the same suggestion. I've even seen it said here that the MAGA hat is equal to a Swastika. That's beyond nuts. And, can any of your examples be as far as a baseball field of Republicans being shot at? Gabrielle Giffords. While not on the same scale, the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords was a horrid thing and I remember it well. I have to ask, though, if you're thinking is tit-for-tat is okay with you? I hope not.
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Post by mellyw on Jan 25, 2019 3:16:09 GMT
And add in the f*cking President of the United States tweeting out a picture with most of those on the receiving end of said bombs behind bars?
Any handy examples that go that far?
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Post by mom26 on Jan 25, 2019 3:16:58 GMT
Have you not seen the Savannah Guthrie interview? She makes it a point that 'if he'd not been wearing *the hat*'. Many others have made the same suggestion. I've even seen it said here that the MAGA hat is equal to a Swastika. That's beyond nuts. And, can any of your examples be as far as a baseball field of Republicans being shot at? Oh, I don’t know, but bombs being sent to President Obama, Vice President Biden, Hilary Clinton, George Soros, CNN, etc.. seems a comparable example. Thankfully the bombs didn’t go off, doesn’t make the intent any less than what happened on that ball field. Not okay at ALL, but it seems we have a payback mentality going on here. Does that not disturb you?
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Post by gardengoddess on Jan 25, 2019 3:17:36 GMT
Have you not seen the Savannah Guthrie interview? She makes it a point that 'if he'd not been wearing *the hat*'. Many others have made the same suggestion. I've even seen it said here that the MAGA hat is equal to a Swastika. That's beyond nuts. And, can any of your examples be as far as a baseball field of Republicans being shot at? Gabrielle Giffords. Also the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston where nine African Americans were gunned down by a white supremacist that I can confidentially say wasn't towing the liberal mindset.
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Post by rodeomom on Jan 25, 2019 3:18:56 GMT
While not on the same scale, the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords was a horrid thing and I remember it well. I have to ask, though, if you're thinking is tit-for-tat is okay with you? I hope not. "And, can any of your examples be as far as a baseball field of Republicans being shot at?" You are the one who asked for examples. ETA: spelling
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Post by mellyw on Jan 25, 2019 3:19:36 GMT
Oh, I don’t know, but bombs being sent to President Obama, Vice President Biden, Hilary Clinton, George Soros, CNN, etc.. seems a comparable example. Thankfully the bombs didn’t go off, doesn’t make the intent any less than what happened on that ball field. Not okay at ALL, but it seems we have a payback mentality going on here. Does that not disturb you? Who the hell is mentioning payback? You specifically asked if there are any examples of that go as far as the baseball shooting. I gave you one. No tit for tat, payback. I answered your inquiry that you now want to turn around on those of us answering.
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Post by inkedup on Jan 25, 2019 3:20:38 GMT
While not on the same scale, the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords was a horrid thing and I remember it well. I have to ask, though, if you're thinking is tit-for-tat is okay with you? I hope not. You asked a question and I answered. The same can be asked of those of you who continue to support this administration. There is no valid criticism of the right according to most of the people I know who identify as such. All criticism of Trump and the right are excused away with "but Obama/Hillary/Benghazi/Kathy Griffin."
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Post by mom26 on Jan 25, 2019 3:21:53 GMT
Also the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston where nine African Americans were gunned down by a white supremacist that I can confidentially say wasn't towing the liberal mindset. Dylan Roof was a straight up mentally disturbed human being and not a republican. Are you saying all non-left are mentally disturbed? Again with the hate. Thanks for making my point for me.
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Post by rodeomom on Jan 25, 2019 3:23:30 GMT
Also the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston where nine African Americans were gunned down by a white supremacist that I can confidentially say wasn't towing the liberal mindset. Dylan Roof was a straight up mentally disturbed human being. Are you saying all non-left are mentally disturbed? Again with the hate. Thanks for making my point for me. ETA: Where did anyone say that all non-left are mentally disturbed? What hate?? What point??
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Post by inkedup on Jan 25, 2019 3:25:14 GMT
Also the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston where nine African Americans were gunned down by a white supremacist that I can confidentially say wasn't towing the liberal mindset. Dylan Roof was a straight up mentally disturbed human being. Are you saying all non-left are mentally disturbed? Again with the hate. Thanks for making my point for me. The mental gymnastics here are exhausting. I said no such thing. I have no desire to listen to any more of The Ballad of the Persecuted Right. History will be on my side, I'm sure.
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Post by mom26 on Jan 25, 2019 3:25:57 GMT
I'm out. I can't keep trying to talk to people who refuse to hear.
Keep on enjoying your hate and justifying it.
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Post by mellyw on Jan 25, 2019 3:27:12 GMT
Also the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston where nine African Americans were gunned down by a white supremacist that I can confidentially say wasn't towing the liberal mindset. Dylan Roof was a straight up mentally disturbed human being. Are you saying all non-left are mentally disturbed? Again with the hate. Thanks for making my point for me. Well, now, that is one giant leap of logic there. The only hate in her post is in your imagination, insinuating she said all non left are mentally disturbed. How on earth did you get that from the words she typed?
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Post by gardengoddess on Jan 25, 2019 3:27:31 GMT
Also the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston where nine African Americans were gunned down by a white supremacist that I can confidentially say wasn't towing the liberal mindset. Dylan Roof was a straight up mentally disturbed human being. Are you saying all non-left are mentally disturbed? Again with the hate. Thanks for making my point for me. "Again with the hate?" What point? You haven't made any point except in your own mind. Now you're whining about others pointing out that your list can easily be contraindicated by examples of hate from the right.
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Post by inkedup on Jan 25, 2019 3:30:14 GMT
I'm out. I can't keep trying to talk to people who refuse to hear. Keep on enjoying your hate and justifying it. Funny, I feel the exact same way. Your hate wears a red ball cap. My "hate" says humans deserve human treatment, even if those humans are different than me. You keep supporting the Hatemonger in Chief and justifying your own brand of hate.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 25, 2019 3:31:24 GMT
I am pretty sure I annoy both sides here. I'm pretty certain I can piss off people of just about every political philosophy. ideologically, what characterizes the “radical left”? You have not asked me, at least not that I've seen, and probably because I try very hard not to speak in those terms on this board. To me, there is a radically different perspective that is continuing to widen between interpretations of current events from those who identify as liberal/left/typically Democrat and conservative/right/typically Republican. For the life of me, I disagree with the "left" (shorthand for this post) interpretation of even the most basic statements. It's as if the statement I hear as "I like chocolate ice cream," is heard by others as "I want to murder innocent women and children!!!!!!!" (Ice cream chosen here because the last I checked, it was not headline news.) That's a radical difference in what is "heard". The differences in interpretation have become so extreme that we may as well be speaking different languages. If I interpreted what I heard the same way, I'd be similarly outraged. But, I simply do not interpret things the same at all. I'm willing to allow differences of opinion to be given without the need to constantly and publicly denigrate them. The same can not be said in reverse. The incessant debasing of a huge segment of our population brings shame on those who have lost all ability to remain civil and open-minded. When you have school personnel in a meeting to discuss the problems a student is facing and it is acceptable to declare that the parents sat up front at a Trump rally and that explains everything, you have lost all reasonable perspective and have become radically to the left. That this conclusion is not only tolerated but accepted as fact should trouble every single one of us. Yet, it does not. *The above example is from real life, not my own, and not from the news. There are no links. No sources. No Snopes fact checks available. And I don't care. This is the level of discrimination many Americans think is OK. If you don't think it's radical, then substitute the phrase "sat up front at a Trump rally" with "worship in a synagogue" or "are of African heritage" or "speak only Spanish at home" and see if that doesn't challenge you. I responded, AmeliaBloomer, because I like you. I'm having some pretty challenging anxiety right now and I am not up for "discussions" about how wrong I am. (Directed to General You.)
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Post by rodeomom on Jan 25, 2019 3:32:36 GMT
Well that was weird
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Post by Just T on Jan 25, 2019 3:39:08 GMT
I have really thought about how to respond here. If this same exact topic had been posted three years ago, I would have raised my hand as a right leaning pea with no hesitation.
I am no longer a right leaning pea. I don't know what I am exactly. I am not right leaning, or left leaning. I HATE the extremes of both parties. I am middle of the road, I guess. And in this political climate, that is a difficult place to be. I don't really fit in anywhere. I never am sure of what I should post on political threads.
*I have always been for tight immigration laws, but I am definitely against spending billions of $$$ on a wall because I don't think it will solve any of the problems we have with illegal immigrants.
*I am not in favor of socialized medicine, but I do believe we desperately need to find a way to fix our healthcare system.
*I do not believe that people should be discriminated against because of their sexual orientation. This hits very close to home for me.
*I am pro-choice. NOT "pro-abortion." I hope and pray that none of my children will ever have an abortion, but I also hope and pray that there is never a time when we go back to the days of unsafe abortions.
*The 2016 election was one of only 3 times since I was old enough to vote that I did not vote for a Republican president. (The first time I was of age to vote was when I voted for Reagan). I've never been a registered Republican, but I have rarely voted any other party.
I am so disillusioned now. I did not vote for Trump, but when he won, I told myself that the party would rein him in. Checks and balances, ya know? But that hasn't happened, and I have found myself really disillusioned with the Republican party.
I feel lost politically.
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Post by gale w on Jan 25, 2019 3:44:54 GMT
So...this thread has gone exactly as expected.
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