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Post by elaine on Feb 2, 2019 22:57:28 GMT
That press conference was a train wreck. The more he speaks, the more obvious it is that he needs to step down. He is acting very Kavanaughish. I agree. Yet one more instance of privileged white male feeling entitled to everything and beholden to no one. He owes a world of apologies at this point while resigning his governor seat. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 2, 2019 23:02:33 GMT
And for the record, I am firmly pro-choice. I've no desire to have Roe v Wade reversed or to make abortions unattainable or difficult for women to access. I just think we need to take a hard look at the extremes to which it now seems to be going. I personally think that the anti-abortion crew wants people to think that abortion is "going to extremes" by posting and sharing things like what your interpretation of what late term abortion is, and so on. I have seen it several times this week on Facebook. I don't think that those extremes really exist. I think that it is important to understand what their agenda is, and look at the facts, read the actual legislature, pay attention to the context of a discussion. For example...based on one of your first comments on the abortion topic--do you really think that simply saying, "I don't want to have this baby" or something similar, out of pain and anguish during labor, would lead to the doctor saying, "Ok, let's do an abortion. That is what she wants"? Where did you get the idea that that is how late term abortion works? I'm not asking that to be snarky. Seriously, think about why you would think that that is what happens? Is it that you saw something on facebook or heard Trump say that they are ripping babies out of the womb right up to birth? Or the picture of the sweet smiling baby that says, "I was born at 12:05. In NY it would be legal to kill me"? Those are the types of things that are driving me crazy. They are not real, accurate, or providing education about what is really going on. |
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Post by Just T on Feb 2, 2019 23:54:10 GMT
And for the record, I am firmly pro-choice. I've no desire to have Roe v Wade reversed or to make abortions unattainable or difficult for women to access. I just think we need to take a hard look at the extremes to which it now seems to be going. I personally think that the anti-abortion crew wants people to think that abortion is "going to extremes" by posting and sharing things like what your interpretation of what late term abortion is, and so on. I have seen it several times this week on Facebook. I don't think that those extremes really exist. I think that it is important to understand what their agenda is, and look at the facts, read the actual legislature, pay attention to the context of a discussion. For example...based on one of your first comments on the abortion topic--do you really think that simply saying, "I don't want to have this baby" or something similar, out of pain and anguish during labor, would lead to the doctor saying, "Ok, let's do an abortion. That is what she wants"? Where did you get the idea that that is how late term abortion works? I'm not asking that to be snarky. Seriously, think about why you would think that that is what happens? Is it that you saw something on facebook or heard Trump say that they are ripping babies out of the womb right up to birth? Or the picture of the sweet smiling baby that says, "I was born at 12:05. In NY it would be legal to kill me"? Those are the types of things that are driving me crazy. They are not real, accurate, or providing education about what is really going on. Yes, exactly. And for those who think that doctors are ripping full term babies from the womb, do you know that only two states allow abortions after a certain week? (I am not sure what that is, but maybe someone else does?) So again, some 38 week mom isn't walking into a hospital and saying, "I want an abortion" and getting one.
The other thing is that the moms that I have worked with who had late term abortions were induced, delivered their baby, and were able to see, hold, take photos and spend time with their baby. Their babies weren't ripped from their wombs as the facebook memes and politicians want people to believe.
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Post by *leslie* on Feb 3, 2019 0:25:07 GMT
I'm sorry, but I need someone to explain to me how you keep a full-term, aborted*, deceased infant 'comfortable' while you take the time to discuss whether to resuscitate it or not. After resuscitation, you have further discussions on whether to continue to keep the child alive or not? How is that not murder? *Aborted because the mother decided, in the throes of labor, that she did not want to have a baby. I've given birth 4 times. I KNOW I said I didn't want to do it many times during labor. The pain of labor makes you say crazy things. Now, I know there is probably more to the decision-making than Northam addressed and my comment above is simplifying it, but criminies. Once a baby is born, it's a human life and is a protected life. The very idea that anyone thinks elective death of a born, full-term baby is even remotely acceptable is horrifying to me. Shades of Auschwitz, actually. Why is it so hard for people to understand that there are reasons people get abortions besides just "not wanting a baby"  ?? This is what is driving me crazy on Facebook this week. There are lots of articles and explanations, but here is one. www.scarymommy.com/late-term-abortions-viral-thread/?fbclid=IwAR19BgURhk_DQGKtBi5ASy7EjitT79xPo6VId4gd6SGFruATHf_YkM4Kmn8Hi Melissa, I have a couple of questions. With a 3rd trimester abortion and the mothers life in jeopardy, the baby has to be delivered either vaginally or by cesarean anyway? Why kill it first? |
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Post by artsydaisy on Feb 3, 2019 6:46:48 GMT
I have a friend on FB who is basically claiming that ALL late term abortions mean that you are delivering a full-term, absolutely healthy baby and then changing your mind about wanting to be a parent. So of course you bludgeon the baby to death with a shovel, in the hospital, with doctors and nurses cheering you on. Sometimes I feel like I am having an out of body experience when I see stuff like this. It is so removed from reality.
Re the Virginia governor, this is also venturing into bizarro world. I did it, I'm sorry, wait that was absolutely not me, I mixed it up with other racist photos I took that I didn't submit to the yearbook, but you can't catch me, I'm the kavanaugh man. WTFH?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 3, 2019 10:14:16 GMT
Is there any call for Steve King to step down and resign?
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 3, 2019 12:26:11 GMT
I agree with this opinion piece by Tom Nichols, a conservative and a never-trumper. Northam can no longer govern effectively and should resign. But the idea of conservatives lik the House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy calling him out for racism is laughable, full stop. The old saying about glass houses comes to mind. www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/02/03/sorry-republicans-you-cant-call-out-northam-racism-give-trump-pass/Excerpt: “Finally, the GOP is calling out a chief executive for his appalling insensitivity on an issue of race: Saturday, via Twitter, Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), the highest-ranking Republican in the House of Representatives, decried that chief executive’s “past racist behavior” and said “He should resign.” In two tweets posted on Saturday, Republican Party chair Ronna McDaniel listed off what she sees as that same chief executive’s callousness on race, including, apparently, his appearance, in a photo, 35 years ago, in which one person is in blackface and the other is wearing a Ku Klux Klan hood. The conduct that these Republicans denounced clearly deserves condemnation, no matter how or when it occurred. Unfortunately, they’ve reserved their scorn for one chief executive, Virginia’s Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat, and held back when it comes to criticizing a chief executive from their own party, President Trump, for his racially divisive statements and public positions. That is naked hypocrisy.” |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 3, 2019 14:48:34 GMT
Unfortunately, they’ve reserved their scorn for one chief executive, Virginia’s Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat, and held back when it comes to criticizing a chief executive from their own party, President Trump, for his racially divisive statements and public positions. That is naked hypocrisy.” Yes, yes yes.............. |
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 3, 2019 16:14:52 GMT
I agree with this opinion piece by Tom Nichols, a conservative and a never-trumper. Northam can no longer govern effectively and should resign. But the idea of conservatives lik the House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy calling him out for racism is laughable, full stop. The old saying about glass houses comes to mind. www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/02/03/sorry-republicans-you-cant-call-out-northam-racism-give-trump-pass/Excerpt: “Finally, the GOP is calling out a chief executive for his appalling insensitivity on an issue of race: Saturday, via Twitter, Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), the highest-ranking Republican in the House of Representatives, decried that chief executive’s “past racist behavior” and said “He should resign.” In two tweets posted on Saturday, Republican Party chair Ronna McDaniel listed off what she sees as that same chief executive’s callousness on race, including, apparently, his appearance, in a photo, 35 years ago, in which one person is in blackface and the other is wearing a Ku Klux Klan hood. The conduct that these Republicans denounced clearly deserves condemnation, no matter how or when it occurred. Unfortunately, they’ve reserved their scorn for one chief executive, Virginia’s Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat, and held back when it comes to criticizing a chief executive from their own party, President Trump, for his racially divisive statements and public positions. That is naked hypocrisy.” Or Trump calling him out. I actually laughed - loudly and openly - when I saw that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 16:34:13 GMT
Hi Melissa, I have a couple of questions. With a 3rd trimester abortion and the mothers life in jeopardy, the baby has to be delivered either vaginally or by cesarean anyway? Why kill it first? I'm really intrigued by this and having difficulty in understanding it......do they kill them? every one of them? Do you have any factual evidence to corroborate this? I find it really difficult to accept that this is reality. A 3rd trimester if defined as after 24 weeks of a pregnancy ( viability) to term. If they are delivering the baby vaginally or by cesarean to protect the health of the mother post 24 weeks, surely that wouldn't be an abortion? Wouldn't that be classed as a medically induced premature delivery. In fact this is quite common for a number of reasons such as Pre-eclampsia. In such cases it wouldn't be necessary to " kill the baby". More likely that baby was a much longed for baby but to protect the mother it needs to get out of her body, in some cases for both of them to survive. Another example of a post 24 weeks delivery is a serious anomaly with the baby in which case surely it would be classed as premature non-viable delivery. It's pretty certain in such cases that the baby wouldn't survive on birth, which is what the governor was trying to explain. Again there would be no reason to "kill" it before delivery. If the baby had already died naturally in the womb then it would be a premature still birth. Neither of the above examples can be classed as an "abortion" in the general use of the word IMO. I would think there are very few late term abortions ( post 24 weeks) in the literal term, most women are not that callous. |
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Post by katybee on Feb 3, 2019 16:38:03 GMT
Is there any call for Steve King to step down and resign? The Republican Party is full of racists. Including the POTUS. But IOKIYAR. I hold people to a higher standard. Northam needs to resign. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 3, 2019 21:30:04 GMT
Is there any call for Steve King to step down and resign? The Republican Party is full of racists. Including the POTUS. But IOKIYAR. I hold people to a higher standard. Northam needs to resign. Bunch of ridiculous hypocrites. |
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Post by redhead32 on Feb 4, 2019 2:52:37 GMT
And for the record, I am firmly pro-choice. I've no desire to have Roe v Wade reversed or to make abortions unattainable or difficult for women to access. I just think we need to take a hard look at the extremes to which it now seems to be going. I personally think that the anti-abortion crew wants people to think that abortion is "going to extremes" by posting and sharing things like what your interpretation of what late term abortion is, and so on. I have seen it several times this week on Facebook. I don't think that those extremes really exist. I think that it is important to understand what their agenda is, and look at the facts, read the actual legislature, pay attention to the context of a discussion. For example...based on one of your first comments on the abortion topic--do you really think that simply saying, "I don't want to have this baby" or something similar, out of pain and anguish during labor, would lead to the doctor saying, "Ok, let's do an abortion. That is what she wants"? Where did you get the idea that that is how late term abortion works? I'm not asking that to be snarky. Seriously, think about why you would think that that is what happens? Is it that you saw something on facebook or heard Trump say that they are ripping babies out of the womb right up to birth? Or the picture of the sweet smiling baby that says, "I was born at 12:05. In NY it would be legal to kill me"? Those are the types of things that are driving me crazy. They are not real, accurate, or providing education about what is really going on. I think we have the same FB friends. I've seen exactly what you are describing this week. And when I tried to respond with facts (and called LifeNews a non-news source) it did not go well. How can people discuss this rationally when the pro-life side (the extremists on that side) only believe half-truths and misrepresentations, and reject facts or firsthand knowledge? |
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Post by melissa on Feb 4, 2019 3:34:14 GMT
I am prolife but not anti legal abortion. I had a discussion with some nurses at work the other day who began the discussion saying they are pro-life. We talked about how pro-life today now means anti-abortion and pretty much anti-abortion at all costs. And how pro-choice has been twisted to mean "in favor of baby killing" but some. If you suppose legal abortion, then you are actually pro-choice (in my book at least, and that and $3.95 might buy you a cup of coffee somewhere  . You can be for life but still be in favor of legal abortion. Anyway, I am thinking this governor will resign or take a very lengthy leave of absence within a few days. Just a guess. And a hope. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 4, 2019 4:23:11 GMT
Northam has called a very unusual emergency meeting with his administration tonight. No explanation as to why for now!
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Post by elaine on Feb 4, 2019 5:15:19 GMT
And again, for those who aren’t familiar with our state, our governors only serve one 4-year term. Legally, they could serve more terms, but not consecutively.
So, for all practical purposes our governors change every 4 years.
They are one and done.
And if you have a major screw-up, you don’t have years and years to work it through and put it behind you.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 4, 2019 6:09:46 GMT
And again, for those who aren’t familiar with our state, our governors only serve one 4-year term. Legally, they could serve more terms, but not consecutively. So, for all practical purposes our governors change every 4 years. They are one and done. And if you have a major screw-up, you don’t have years and years to work it through and put it behind you. 'they' (news stations) have been saying that if the Lt Gov takes over he can run after serving the rest of Northam's term and for one of his own too. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 14:50:56 GMT
where there's smoke..... which makes me wonder why people can't see the conflagration in the offices of King, Trump, etc. It's long past time for Northam to resign. (Trump and King too). |
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Post by lbp on Feb 4, 2019 15:02:31 GMT
As for the current governor of Virginia, I would like to see what his actions tell us about who he is before I judge him solely on a photo from 35 years ago. Was that an isolated incident? Did he engage in similar behavior on a regular basis? Yes, the pictures are disgusting. But I can guarantee you that I knew a lot of people who dressed up in “tasteless” costumes back then and never gave it a second thought. Today it is considered racist to wear a sombrero for Halloween, but back then it was just a costume. If he did this regularly, or used racist language on a regular basis, then I would judge him harshly. I would be even harder on him if there is evidence that he continued this type of behavior over the years. This isn’t a case of “boys being boys.” But it could be a case of someone just not being culturally aware. I grew up in a very white community, and I was 16years old when I first met a person of color. I know I used phrases that were racist (“call a spade a spade” for example) but stopped when the racism was pointed out to me. I definitely benefited from white privileged long before the term was coined, and I had a hard time understanding different perspectives. I NEVER dressed in blackface or Klan gear, but there was a time I might have laughed at someone who did. But when you know better, you need to do better. That’s the test I apply to Robert Byrd, and that is the test I apply to this governor. He has apologized and said it was wrong. Now I want to know more about his actions since then. Yeah. This. I did not vote for him but I can't condemn someone for what they did 35 years ago. I dressed in black face when I was a teen as Aunt Jemima. I understand now that it is not acceptable but back then no one gave it a second glance. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 4, 2019 15:23:50 GMT
But when you know better, you need to do better. That’s the test I apply to Robert Byrd, and that is the test I apply to this governor. He has apologized and said it was wrong. Now I want to know more about his actions since then. Problem is that he has NOT accepted responsibility. He was headed there on Friday night with a sort of apology. He blew it on Saturday when he said he was NOT in the picture. |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Feb 4, 2019 17:39:17 GMT
But when you know better, you need to do better. That’s the test I apply to Robert Byrd, and that is the test I apply to this governor. He has apologized and said it was wrong. Now I want to know more about his actions since then. Problem is that he has NOT accepted responsibility. He was headed there on Friday night with a sort of apology. He blew it on Saturday when he said he was NOT in the picture. I agree 100%. I posted after the press conference and said he needs to resign. But that might have been on the other thread. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 4, 2019 18:03:17 GMT
I think the focus needs to be on the current racism and misogyny and xenophobia.
He should resign—I don’t think that he can effectively govern give the swarm around him now.
I think that what I’ve been seeing/reading from conservatives/republicans —-they need to sit the fuck down and shut it—they are the biggest hypocrites ever—won’t hold their own accountable yet are aggressively attacking anyone not a Republican. (Steve king, trump, anyone??? Bueller? Hello is this thing on?)
There is most definitely an increase—a scary increase—in racism, racist attacks, racist speech, and it IS absolutely being egged in and fueled by this administration.
It is really moot if trump is a racist or not —ANYTHING to keep divisions going helps and benefits him in every single way.
It is downright shameful that anyone defends racism.
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?? This is what is driving me crazy on Facebook this week. There are lots of articles and explanations, but here is one. 
. You can be for life but still be in favor of legal abortion. 
