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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 4:52:34 GMT
"For more than a decade, a Baptist preacher in Oklahoma has been what he calls "a lone voice in the wilderness." Pastor Wade Burleson called on the Southern Baptist Convention to protect its flock by creating a database that would track church workers accused of sexual abuse. Such a list was published Monday, but not by the Baptists. The Houston Chronicle and San Antonio Express-News in an expansive investigation named 220 pastors, ministers, deacons, volunteers, Sunday school teachers and others who were found guilty of sexually abusing churchgoers over 20 years." www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/over-200-baptist-ministers-deacons-others-have-been-found-guilty-n970276700 victims of Southern Baptist sexual abuse www.christianpost.com/voice/700-victims-of-southern-baptist-sexual-abuse.htmlSome of the problems of blind allegiance to authority, silencing of victims, submission of women to the "headship" of men, etc. "There are evil men in all walks of life." "No one is perfect." Yeah, exactly. So I'll keep my Sunday mornings for what restores my soul: family, friends, cooking, hiking. And I'll keep my money for organizations that do good AND file 990's.
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Post by mom on Feb 12, 2019 5:04:19 GMT
I was raised Southern Baptist but non longer identify with them. I am glad this is being investigated. Just like in the Catholic Church, so many have been abused, then everything is just swept under the rug. The guilty need exposed.
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anniebygaslight
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Post by anniebygaslight on Feb 12, 2019 5:17:34 GMT
God save us all from religion.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Feb 12, 2019 5:20:52 GMT
So I'll keep my Sunday mornings for what restores my soul: family, friends, cooking, hiking. And I'll keep my money for organizations that do good AND file 990's. Me too, love, me too. (Although I have no idea what a 990 is!)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 5:35:47 GMT
So I'll keep my Sunday mornings for what restores my soul: family, friends, cooking, hiking. And I'll keep my money for organizations that do good AND file 990's. Me too, love, me too. (Although I have no idea what a 990 is!) It's the tax form all tax-exempt orgs have to file - except churches. STUPID idea to exempt them, imo. churchtransparency.org/faq/
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anniebygaslight
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Post by anniebygaslight on Feb 12, 2019 5:39:55 GMT
Me too, love, me too. (Although I have no idea what a 990 is!) It's the tax form all tax-exempt orgs have to file - except churches. STUPID idea to exempt them, imo. churchtransparency.org/faq/Guessed as much. Over here they are mostly registered charities, with all the benefits that charitable status brings. It stinks to high heaven, if you'll pardon the unintentional pun.
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Post by schizo319 on Feb 12, 2019 14:36:31 GMT
I just read the chronicle article this morning. My "favorite" part? "Some registered sex offenders returned to the pulpit. Others remain there, including a Houston preacher who sexually assaulted a teenager and now is the principal officer of a Houston nonprofit that works with student organizations, federal records show. Its name: Touching the Future Today Inc." I have to wonder: Did someone name the organization knowing he'd be the leader (as some kind of secret message)? Did HE name the organization to tout his "invincibility" and thumb his nose at victims? Did it just not occur to someone that hiring a registered sex offender for an organization with that name was going to raise eyebrows? It'd be nice if the Baptists would STFU about the Catholics now thankyouverymuch...
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Post by gar on Feb 12, 2019 14:42:30 GMT
It’s rife and abhorrent and totally unsurprising 😡
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Post by mellowyellow on Feb 12, 2019 15:03:26 GMT
Ugh...this is truly disgusting! Like a previous poster, I was raised SB but no longer identify with them. Can't stand organized religion.
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Post by rodeomom on Feb 12, 2019 15:33:20 GMT
Ugh...this is truly disgusting! Like a previous poster, I was raised SB but no longer identify with them. Can't stand organized religion. Me too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 15:43:30 GMT
Y'all are so foolish. You don't understand that organizations w/lots of authoritarian control and very little oversight are safe, but LGBT groups are "terrorists" www.wvgazettemail.com/news/legislative_session/gop-delegate-compares-gay-community-to-ku-klux-klan/article_d745c6cb-2de2-53a1-a757-048cb5f3eb19.html"“The LGBTQ is a modern day version of the Ku Klux Klan, without wearing hoods with their antics of hate,” Porterfield said in an interview Friday morning. He also called the gay community a “terrorist group” and said he is being “persecuted” by the gay community in retaliation for his remarks, including receiving threats on Facebook and voicemails. " Thankfully kids of all religious backgrounds are just saying "NO" to organized religion and/or to this brand of idiocy that deems the rapers of children as a problem to be covered up, but LGBT as "terrorists".
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Post by ntsf on Feb 12, 2019 16:02:51 GMT
my denomination is not perfect but it has been at least 10 yrs of a firm policy, discussed at all levels. at my little church, not only do we all have to sign onto the policy as officers, but every group that meets at our church has to agree to follow our child protection policies.
there is no excuse in this day for not having policies and enforcing them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 15:44:20 GMT
Cross posting this here because it's related to both the sex abuse post AND the bs "purity" post.
"Those who speak out about sexual abuse in authoritarian religious communities are often shamed in an attempt to quiet them. They may be accused of seeking attention, or of trying to bring down a godly man. They may be told they’re selfish — indulging in their own pain when they should be paying attention to the pain they are causing others, including the people who will turn away from the church and spend an eternity in hell because of the poor light they’ve portrayed the church in.
...Meanwhile, when women and girls come forward as survivors, purity culture — which focuses largely on them — can be used against them. Many of my interviewees and I were taught that men are weak when faced with the temptation of the female flesh and it was therefore our responsibility to protect men from the threat that our bodies posed to them. We had to walk, talk and dress just right to ensure the alleged purity of our entire community, safeguarding against all sexual expression outside of marriage — the implication being that anything that did happen, even sexual violence, was our fault.
When women and girls come forward as survivors, purity culture — which focuses largely on them — can be used against them.
Sexual abuse of adults is too often lumped in with so-called sexual sin more generally speaking. For example, and as I talk about in my book, until somewhat recently the “Sexual Misconduct” category of the Code of Student Conduct at the Catholic University of America included both rape and consensual sex outside of marriage."
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Post by workingclassdog on Feb 13, 2019 15:49:58 GMT
I'm sure the Catholic church is saying "phew, get the spotlight off us for awhile"...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 14:11:22 GMT
And then the Baptists wonder why they have a sex abuse scandal.
"Theologians" like this:
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Feb 15, 2019 15:32:00 GMT
Remember Rachael Denhollander? The victim of US Gymnastics doctor Larry Nasser whose victim impact statement went viral? She is also a very conservative Evangelical Christian and a lawyer. She received victim support within her own congregation but she and her husband were forced out when she advocated for victims of sexual abuse from church leaders in another Evangelical community. This is an excerpt from a Christianity Today interview with her. It’s long but helpful; I chose some answers where she delves into the theological and Evangelical-cultural forces at play when abusers are protected. The whole interview is worth a read. (Brackets below mine - for clarification.)
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Post by mallie on Feb 15, 2019 17:05:01 GMT
Doesn't surprise me.
Years ago, I worked with 2 faith based organizations from 2 different Protestant denominations.
One was very liberal and forward thinking, had female pastors and gay pastors, pastors of every color and ethincity. It had rules, many rules and policies, in place to protect children and adults. These rules were taken very seriously by everyone. Never had any issues with implementation. Never.
One was much more conservative, had female pastors (and had for over 40 years, but still a good bit of resistance. Any pastor who came out as gay/lesbian would be run out of the church within one week. (I know this was happending just 3 years ago, in fact.) Most of its pastors of color and ethinicity were brought in from foreign countries. This denomination copied its rules from the one above. This denomination had endless, repeated trouble with implementation, with people taking the rules seriously. The number of knock down drag out nasty fights I had with volunteers and pastors over enforcing these protective rules was discouraging and enlightening. What was particularly enlightening was that the obstinate remained obstinate about enforcing these rules at big events until I reminded them that when I recorded their refusal to abide by the rules,should something happen their denomination-provided liability insurance would not cover them... Amazing then, how fast they turned around. Sad to me that the only thing that motivated them was money. I wonder what Jesus would say about it.
If I were not an atheist before working with those 2 organizations, working with the 2nd one, truly cemented at least my belief in the damage of organized religion being so much greatear than the beneifts.
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Post by stittsygirl on Feb 15, 2019 18:48:41 GMT
Cross posting this here because it's related to both the sex abuse post AND the bs "purity" post. "Those who speak out about sexual abuse in authoritarian religious communities are often shamed in an attempt to quiet them. They may be accused of seeking attention, or of trying to bring down a godly man. They may be told they’re selfish — indulging in their own pain when they should be paying attention to the pain they are causing others, including the people who will turn away from the church and spend an eternity in hell because of the poor light they’ve portrayed the church in. ...Meanwhile, when women and girls come forward as survivors, purity culture — which focuses largely on them — can be used against them. Many of my interviewees and I were taught that men are weak when faced with the temptation of the female flesh and it was therefore our responsibility to protect men from the threat that our bodies posed to them. We had to walk, talk and dress just right to ensure the alleged purity of our entire community, safeguarding against all sexual expression outside of marriage — the implication being that anything that did happen, even sexual violence, was our fault. When women and girls come forward as survivors, purity culture — which focuses largely on them — can be used against them. Sexual abuse of adults is too often lumped in with so-called sexual sin more generally speaking. For example, and as I talk about in my book, until somewhat recently the “Sexual Misconduct” category of the Code of Student Conduct at the Catholic University of America included both rape and consensual sex outside of marriage." The exact same thing happens in the Mormon church, frequently. Too frequently. Too frequently everywhere. I’m so done and over organized religion and the multitude of sins it actually helps hide and perpetuate .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 20:25:01 GMT
About time. I bet they have databases for all kinds of stats about the independent churches in their denomination, like how much they receive and spend/year, how much they remit back to the SBC/year, etc. They can damn well keep a database for sexual assault claims, investigations and outcomes. www.nbcnews.com/news/religion/southern-baptist-president-says-database-sexual-abusers-possible-n973141"More than a decade after the Southern Baptist Convention rejected the idea of creating a database of ministers credibly accused of sexual abuse, leaders said on Monday night the possibility is on the table. The denomination already was looking at how it could better respond to abuse when two Texas newspapers published an investigation last week that detailed hundreds of cases of abuse in its churches. Those revelations added a sense of urgency to a meeting of the SBC's executive committee on Monday night, where President J.D. Greear reported on the progress of a sexual assault advisory committee. With 15 million members and over 47,000 churches, the Southern Baptist Convention is the nation's largest Protestant denomination. But the SBC's structure as a voluntary association of autonomous churches has hindered past efforts at fighting sexual abuse."
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