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Post by hennybutton on Oct 2, 2014 20:21:11 GMT
I remember when all the grocery bags were paper. I don't remember not having plastic wrap though. But, when I was a kid there were no Ziplock bags. We had Baggies (that was a brand, but my mom got store-brand ones) that closed with a twist-tie. For lunch, there were sandwich bags that had a flip-over pocket. We had metal lunch boxes with glass-lined Thermos bottles for milk or juice. Water did not come in single-use bottles. It came out of the tap. If your parents wanted to spend the money, you could get your water out of a dispenser that had a 5-gallon bottle on top. Every week or two, the water man would pick up your empty bottles and drop off full ones. Or, if you had a spring nearby, you could go fill your 5-gallon bottles from a tap there. Wow, typing all that made me realize how much more we expect these days. How did everyone deal with the things that people now use plastic grocery bags for before there were plastic grocery bags? Oh, hennybutton that reminds me of the time I asked my grandmother what they did before sanitary napkins were invented. She gave me this look and said where do you think the term "on the rag" came from. She then proceed to explain that they were not disposable and how to care for them. I'm so glad that was before my time. Those thick pads with the belt were bad enough.
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Post by georgiapea on Oct 2, 2014 20:23:23 GMT
Compwalla, I never see plastic bags blowing about. Do you feel the citizens of your town are particularly careless about them? I was folding mine this morning before coming to work and 2 out of 3 had holes, therefore being tied to throw away. I really should save those to crochet something useful!
We all know we would adapt if that particular cheese were to be moved - we always do, but it would be difficult getting used to the new situation. My town stopped recycling pick up. It was determined cheaper to buy more land for a new landfill than the cost of operating the recycling sorting center.
Dog poo pick up bags in rolls can be bought at Dollar Tree. I think there are 6 rolls in the package. Maybe it's 8.
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Post by scorpeao on Oct 2, 2014 20:26:46 GMT
Yes I'm destitute. I can't afford 1.77 per month to bag dog shit. JFC... ETA: On Amazon you have to have prime. And yes, I AM on such a tight budget that I cannot afford prime. www.dogwastedepot.com/DOG-WASTE-BAGS-Prodview.htmlTwo cents a bag, free shipping. Also you can reuse bread bags and other bags from packages for poo bags. If you don't eat bread then you can ask for bread bags on freecycle or at work. I am sorry it's a hardship but I don't think we should keep allowing unlimited free plastic bags to litter our towns because a few people cannot afford two cent poo bags or figure out some other solution that fits their budget. There is more than one way to pick up poo for free besides grocery sacks. If you read all my posts instead of fixating on one you'd see that I already said I'd reuse food bags, so it's really not a big deal.
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Post by scorpeao on Oct 2, 2014 20:29:22 GMT
www.dogwastedepot.com/DOG-WASTE-BAGS-Prodview.htmlTwo cents a bag, free shipping. Also you can reuse bread bags and other bags from packages for poo bags. If you don't eat bread then you can ask for bread bags on freecycle or at work. I am sorry it's a hardship but I don't think we should keep allowing unlimited free plastic bags to litter our towns because a few people cannot afford two cent poo bags or figure out some other solution that fits their budget. There is more than one way to pick up poo for free besides grocery sacks. If you read all my posts instead of fixating on one you'd see that I already said I'd reuse food bags, so it's really not a big deal. And again, I can afford the bags. Like someone else said...I don't want to buy bags I usually get for free. While I'm posting again, I don't ever see bags floating around town. I don't know where you live that this is the norm, but perhaps you want to consider relocating.
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Post by georgiapea on Oct 2, 2014 20:39:50 GMT
Ah, yes, the sanitary napkin belts! And of course my own mother had to tell me how much better I had it than when she was young! Shudder. But when the change from a gauze covering - which could leak - to the current version - which does not, came out, I didn't like those sticky things! So if all plastic goes away, we will once again adapt.
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Post by compwalla on Oct 2, 2014 20:54:26 GMT
Compwalla, I never see plastic bags blowing about. Do you feel the citizens of your town are particularly careless about them? I was folding mine this morning before coming to work and 2 out of 3 had holes, therefore being tied to throw away. I really should save those to crochet something useful! I think it's a combination of things. The weather - "Wild as the west Texas wind" isn't just a line from a song. The wind is strong enough to knock over wheelie bins and it has blown open the lids of our dumpster so bags end up blowing right out of trash cans. Add the high number of pick up trucks (bags blow out the back of them), hundreds of oilfield sites where people are stuck on location without a good place to throw their garbage, and relatively flat terrain and it adds up to a plastic bag problem. Right now it's not so bad. Later this fall the winds will pick up and it will be pretty terrible. Our Midland Democratic Womens' group adopted a stretch of highway and we spend a lot of the time extricating shreds of plastic bags from mesquite bushes and barbed wire fences. This has only increased my loathing of plastic grocery sacks.
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Post by ingrid on Oct 2, 2014 23:34:19 GMT
www.dogwastedepot.com/DOG-WASTE-BAGS-Prodview.htmlTwo cents a bag, free shipping. Also you can reuse bread bags and other bags from packages for poo bags. If you don't eat bread then you can ask for bread bags on freecycle or at work. I am sorry it's a hardship but I don't think we should keep allowing unlimited free plastic bags to litter our towns because a few people cannot afford two cent poo bags or figure out some other solution that fits their budget. There is more than one way to pick up poo for free besides grocery sacks. If you read all my posts instead of fixating on one you'd see that I already said I'd reuse food bags, so it's really not a big deal. What you said is that you were going to start wrapping things in produce bags unnecessarily, basically because you don't feel like you should have to be financially responsible for cleaning up after your pet. You're reusing food bags that you didn't need in the first place on the grocery store's dime. Now that people are disagreeing with you, you're claiming you're destitute. I realize it's pointless for me or anyone else to try to reason with you on this. I guess I'm just going to have to chalk it up to an example of the "I can't be inconvenienced, me me me!" attitude that's one of the reasons California can't "trust" it's citizens like another poster believes they should when it comes to making responsible decisions about bag use. (does anyone know how to unlike a post if your fat fingers accidentally hit the "like" button ?  )
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 23:37:15 GMT
If you read all my posts instead of fixating on one you'd see that I already said I'd reuse food bags, so it's really not a big deal. What you said is that you were going to start wrapping things in produce bags unnecessarily, basically because you don't feel like you should have to be financially responsible for cleaning up after your pet. You're reusing food bags that you didn't need in the first place on the grocery store's dime. Now that people are disagreeing with you, you're claiming you're destitute. I realize it's pointless for me or anyone else to try to reason with you on this. I guess I'm just going to have to chalk it up to an example of the "I can't be inconvenienced, me me me!" attitude that's one of the reasons California can't "trust" it's citizens like another poster believes they should when it comes to making responsible decisions about bag use. (does anyone know how to unlike a post if your fat fingers accidentally hit the "like" button ?  ) Just hit the like button again. 
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Post by Marina on Oct 3, 2014 0:19:22 GMT
They already are discontinued in our area. I do pay for a paper bag for raw meats but it's only 10 cents. Otherwise I keep a stash of bags in my car. I have forgotten them at times but again it's only 10 cents a bag.
We do buy plastic bags for lining our trash bins.
I don't get why this is such a big deal. I think it's a good move for the environment.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 3, 2014 0:24:29 GMT
The city near me was going to start forcing stores to charge .10 per bag. Then the company was supposed to use the money to help recycle something. It put all the burden on the businesses.
I think it failed, but I know people who lived in areas that have a choice were talking about buYing things in the other close cities to save the fee.
I could have supported the idea, b UT I would prefer the money go to a good recycling program in the area that was easy to use and worked well.
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Post by chaosisapony on Oct 3, 2014 0:33:53 GMT
They already are discontinued in our area. I do pay for a paper bag for raw meats but it's only 10 cents. Otherwise I keep a stash of bags in my car. I have forgotten them at times but again it's only 10 cents a bag. Does anyone know where the 10 cents per paper bag fee is supposed to go? I would hope the grocery store doesn't just get it as profit. "only 10 cents a bag" x hundreds of customers each day in each store is a lot of money.
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Post by DinCA on Oct 3, 2014 0:36:33 GMT
I come at this from a totally different place. I'm not opposed to a ban but not at this time. We are in the middle of the worst drought this state has ever seen. Reusable bags are unsanitary unless they have been washed each time. I am not going to put my fresh produce in a bag that has been treated with an antibacterial chemical so that means I now have to use a resource we are desperately trying to conserve at this time in order to shop, unless I choose to pay for a paper bag. It is a very short-sighted decision, IMO. ETA: It's also my opinion that most people reuse their shopping bags, including me. Seriously? You would wash your resusable cloth bags each time? That's odd. I NEVER wash mine. I have one I used for specific items that can be wiped down, but the rest are free game and I assure you, NOT unsanitary. Yes, washing them each time would be odd and a huge pain in the ass but if you don't wash them often, you stand an increased risk of food-borne illnesses, Salmonella or E. coli and norovirus. If you don't use them properly, they are unsanitary. Here's what the CDC has said about the use of reusable bags. www.foodsafety.gov/blog/reusable_bags.html
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Post by mallie on Oct 3, 2014 0:37:48 GMT
Compwalla, I never see plastic bags blowing about. Do you feel the citizens of your town are particularly careless about them? I was folding mine this morning before coming to work and 2 out of 3 had holes, therefore being tied to throw away. I really should save those to crochet something useful! We all know we would adapt if that particular cheese were to be moved - we always do, but it would be difficult getting used to the new situation. My town stopped recycling pick up. It was determined cheaper to buy more land for a new landfill than the cost of operating the recycling sorting center. Dog poo pick up bags in rolls can be bought at Dollar Tree. I think there are 6 rolls in the package. Maybe it's 8. I am not Compwalla, but I see the bags blowing about all the time. I can look at any field at any time and see a bunch of plastic bags caught on crops. I can look at any chain link fence at any time and see a plastic bag caught on it. I can look in the lake and see plastic bags floating around. In part it's due to the fact that I literally live on the prairie -- lots of wide open space PLUS nearly constant wind. So there's a lot of stuff blowing around, including stuff that people clearly wouldn't want to be blowing around like recycling bins, trash cans, volleyball nets, but there's also a lot of stuff that I think is just from people littering. Are people here more careless too? I don't know. But I DO know that my coworker's husband makes more money picking up soda cans and other recyclables from the side of the highway than he does at his real job. One day last week, in 4 hours in one spot, he and a buddy picked up 28 FULL SIZE leaf bags full of crushed soda and beer cans and glass beer and liquor bottles. He had been there the week before. So in one week, think how many people threw soda cans out of their vehicles. I somehow doubt those people are carefully re-using and/or recycling plastic bags. They're probably throwing them out of their car windows too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 0:41:44 GMT
I don't think we've ever washed our reusable bags. Maybe once. I'm not sure, DH does most of the shopping.
We don't buy meat, so raw flesh contamination isn't an issue for us. But other than that, I can't really imagine how they can be a big health risk... everything that goes in them is either wrapped or in a container. Things that are eaten whole -- apples, berries, vegetables -- are wrapped, in bags, or in containers. I mean, I guess over time they do get gross, but I certainly don't think they need to be washed all that often.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 3, 2014 0:41:53 GMT
They already are discontinued in our area. I do pay for a paper bag for raw meats but it's only 10 cents. Otherwise I keep a stash of bags in my car. I have forgotten them at times but again it's only 10 cents a bag. Does anyone know where the 10 cents per paper bag fee is supposed to go? I would hope the grocery store doesn't just get it as profit. "only 10 cents a bag" x hundreds of customers each day in each store is a lot of money. here it was supposed to go to the store and they were supposed to look at ways to recycle
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Post by DinCA on Oct 3, 2014 0:45:37 GMT
I also want to point out that this bill failed to pass 13 times. The ONLY reason it passed this time is because the grocers' association lobbied for it to pass. They stand to make a $1 billion in increased revenue from the sale of paper bags. Where does the money go? Right into the grocers' pockets, not for clean-up efforts or education or any of the other more worthwhile causes. And the bill states that grocers are "required" to charge 10 cents a bag. Yes, required. I bet you can guess who lobbied for that wording.
However, it will appear on the next ballot and will be repealed when word gets out about who lobbied for it and who pockets the 10 cents a bag.
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Post by chaosisapony on Oct 3, 2014 0:50:30 GMT
I also want to point out that this bill failed to pass 13 times. The ONLY reason it passed this time is because the grocers' association lobbied for it to pass. They stand to make a $1 billion in increased revenue from the sale of paper bags. Where does the money go? Right into the grocers' pockets, not for clean-up efforts or education or any of the other more worthwhile causes. And the bill states that grocers are "required" to charge 10 cents a bag. Yes, required. I bet you can guess who lobbied for that wording. However, it will appear on the next ballot and will be repealed when word gets out about who lobbied for it and who pockets the 10 cents a bag. That is what I was afraid of. You can't tell me they are going to be collecting all that money for paper bags and the only stipulation is that they are "supposed to look into recycling options". Umm, no. Just no, that is not ok.
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Post by DinCA on Oct 3, 2014 0:51:16 GMT
I have to ask how it helps the environment to use additional bags to put your produce and meat in, bags that are pretty useless for anything else, when you could have used ONE bag at check-out - a bag that can be reused.
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Post by DinCA on Oct 3, 2014 0:54:36 GMT
I also want to point out that this bill failed to pass 13 times. The ONLY reason it passed this time is because the grocers' association lobbied for it to pass. They stand to make a $1 billion in increased revenue from the sale of paper bags. Where does the money go? Right into the grocers' pockets, not for clean-up efforts or education or any of the other more worthwhile causes. And the bill states that grocers are "required" to charge 10 cents a bag. Yes, required. I bet you can guess who lobbied for that wording. However, it will appear on the next ballot and will be repealed when word gets out about who lobbied for it and who pockets the 10 cents a bag. That is what I was afraid of. You can't tell me they are going to be collecting all that money for paper bags and the only stipulation is that they are "supposed to look into recycling options". Umm, no. Just no, that is not ok. The retail cost of the plastic bags is about 2 1/2 cents so the wholesale cost is at least half of that, probably a penny. I'm not sure how much a paper bag costs but I wouldn't imagine it costs much more, maybe less. So the grocers stand to make 9 cents on every bag.
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Post by scorpeao on Oct 3, 2014 1:09:29 GMT
If you read all my posts instead of fixating on one you'd see that I already said I'd reuse food bags, so it's really not a big deal. What you said is that you were going to start wrapping things in produce bags unnecessarily, basically because you don't feel like you should have to be financially responsible for cleaning up after your pet. You're reusing food bags that you didn't need in the first place on the grocery store's dime. Now that people are disagreeing with you, you're claiming you're destitute. I realize it's pointless for me or anyone else to try to reason with you on this. I guess I'm just going to have to chalk it up to an example of the "I can't be inconvenienced, me me me!" attitude that's one of the reasons California can't "trust" it's citizens like another poster believes they should when it comes to making responsible decisions about bag use. (does anyone know how to unlike a post if your fat fingers accidentally hit the "like" button ?  ) Oh good gravy. I don't even know where to begin.First, I know that sarcasm is lost on some, and I was being sarcastic when I said I was destitute. I said I can't afford amazon prime, and I don't want to pay for bags. Period. I am trying to save money for a child who's about to go off to college. That, by no means, says I'm destitute. Second, are the produce bags not for produce? Did I say I was going to steal bags? No. I said I usually didn't use the bags, but now I will. I don't really see how this is wrong. Finally, I think it's a lot more responsible to reuse single purpose bags than it is to buy bags for a single purpose. As I've said a dozen times before. I'll adapt. It's a minor irritant. I'll find ways to be sure to not leave a pile of shit in your yard. THAT is being responsible for cleaning up after my pet.
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Post by Anonypea on Oct 3, 2014 2:15:11 GMT
I have two cats of my own and I foster kittens. I use paper lunch bags for scooping litter boxes. I started using lunch bags when I started using recyclable bags for shopping. Lunch bags biodegrade faster in landfills, they take less space in the trash, and they don't get holes the way plastic bags do. Paper lunch bags don't get holes like paper bags? Your paper bags don't tear? I'm not sure I'm willing to take that gamble with fresh poo in a paper bag sitting in my car on the way home from the dog park or sitting in my trash can that I DO NOT want to wash out weekly. Yes, paper bags will degrade faster than plastic bags. But the fact of the matter is that trash going into a landfill is covered within hours. Once it is no longer exposed to air or sunlight, the decomposition stops quickly. We had a lady from our local landfill come and talk to our Girl Scouts. The information was really interesting and she explained how a landfill works. We recycled/composted about 80% of our trash at that point and I wondered if I was doing the right thing since decomposing matter will breed good bacteria to decompose other matter. I asked if my paper better off being in a landfill or a recycling bin. She said it was best reused, then recycled, then the landfill because it takes so long for trash to decompose once it is covered. It really was interesting. I hope that by recycling and composting, I made up for the bags of poo in my trash. But it seems crazy to have to buy ziplock bags to throw away. I have yet to have a paper litter bag get a hole. As far as the dog park goes, the park I take my dogs to has trash cans every thirty feet or so, even on the woods trails. So I don't need to bring the dog bags home with me. I bought some at the dollar store that are just the right size. If I happen to run out, I use the bags the newspaper comes in.
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Post by melanell on Oct 3, 2014 3:04:45 GMT
well, every item of produce I buy will now be in a produce bag...bananas? In a bag. Pineapple? In a bag. You know, I got to thinking about this, and I think it will probably still ultimately mean less plastic being produced and thrown out even if you use the same number of produce bags that you used to use grocery bags. Because the produce bags I see are smaller bags and thinner plastic than shopping bags. So I think if you ultimately wind up doing that you'll still be coming out ahead environmentally. I realize it will be more of an inconvenience for you, and I'm sorry in that regard, but perhaps you might feel a bit better if it does actually amount to some reduction of plastic in the landfills. 
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